TAT'S GREAT..how abt ppl in space?can ppl there bring rice ..meat..vegatable..etc..???and how they get enough nutrition what they need everyday? if that's is a product with all the nutrition in 1 bottle..is that great??then we no need to count ..how many vitamin or nutrition we short..or is it too much of oilly food or calories we took per meal..is that good idea??

Our stomachs and the body in general is made to extract nutrients from food sources in a certain way. Technically following your argument, ppl in space can be supplied with enough nutrients to survive. This is however not ideal since humans are not meant to live in zero-g or less g.Some alterations (by evolution or my interference through gene therapy etc) must be made for humans to live long term in space. Same for human intake of food in space. So for now humans have not evolved to survive with eating one pill or drinking some liquids. Nor are there medical therapies that cna change our bodies to accept such forms of nutrients in the long term.

Furthermore, as a lover of food, i feel food and eating is a social,cultural,aesthetic experience. Why lose the smeel,taste,feel,experience of eating what you love by taking a pill or drinking some damn milkshake? Just eat less, eat what is good,less of what is bad,exercise,sleep enough, dont get stressed...simple plan.

did i mention tat if drink tat DAMN milk shake cann't eNjoy any food?

jus asking if there is a product with all nutrition in 1 bottle..IS THAT GOOD IDEA???

who dun know tat..mac or KFc is nice to eat???n coke is nice to drink??but other then FAT n SUGER..what else u can get from there??

oh ya..i ever think tat is it safe i took tis way to lose weight?? but i do trust my cousin..and my own eyes lo..cos she lose 10 kg in 3 mths..n totally change a new person since i nvr see her for many years...and last time..she use to be took diabetis n high blood medicine to control her sickness for many many many years..but tat day when she came to KL..she did show me the report..her diabetis n high blood is in normal level le..and oso stop her medicine..i dun know why n wat thing is tat so miracal?i have tyroid n sinus also for many years..i really hope tat..beside then lose weight..i oso can improve my sickness..n get back my health..


oso..can u explaine this??if u got family member who is doctors..how come other then lose weight..the sickness oso can be improve??is it because of fat ppl easy got that kind of sickness..??or cause of what they eat those food that was unwanted by our body..since kid till now..??oso..did u doctor family advise their patient to lose weight if they are over weight??

re food enjoyment: well technically, if you take the milkshake supplement with a nominal(most are at least 100 calories) caloric value you would've wasted it on something pretty tasteless insterad of using that daily allocation for something much more enjoyable. that's all i'm saying.



I answered that...but i'm guessing that went waaay over your head.



is Mac nice to eat? Yucks. Now,KFC i kinda like but I don't eat it that often coz I do know it isnt something you should indulge in often. I don't take soft drinks but if i do i drink fresh fruit juices or take a beer every so often. But in any case, probably you miss my point that we can have nice things and tasty things which aren't loaded with fats/chemicals or come in the form of a milkshake.

Nuff said. Unless you just wanna rant on...then go ahead...

Umm...I have no idea what you're ranting on about...

This is something that's always used by people who push snake oil medicines. They assume that skeptics have to provide the proof, when THEY're the ones who actually have to provide it. One of the most respected scientists in the world, Carl Sagan, said it this way:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Therefore, if you claim Herbalife tones muscles, where's the proof? Submit a sample to a respected, independent body (NOT one sponsored by Herbalife) for testing and show us the results. Simple as that.

Muscle tone and weight loss are two entirely different things. Ask ANY doctor (respectable ones) in the world and he'll tell you NO product helps you tone muscles besides exercise. Of course you won't see loose skin - the human body is very dynamic, and the fluid you lose through Herbalife is lost gradually. Compare to a person who does liposuction and you'll see A LOT of skin.

So please, do a little scientific research before you push a product.

i just hope you die.

This post has been edited by pizzaboy: May 10 2006, 03:29 PM

[quote=Lord_Ashe,May 10 2006, 02:22 PM]
This is something that's always used by people who push snake oil medicines. They assume that skeptics have to provide the proof, when THEY're the ones who actually have to provide it. One of the most respected scientists in the world, Carl Sagan, said it this way:

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

Therefore, if you claim Herbalife tones muscles, where's the proof? Submit a sample to a respected, independent body (NOT one sponsored by Herbalife) for testing and show us the results. Simple as that.

[quote=Lord_Ashe,May 10 2006, 02:22 PM]
Muscle tone and weight loss are two entirely different things. Ask ANY doctor (respectable ones) in the world and he'll tell you NO product helps you tone muscles besides exercise. Of course you won't see loose skin - the human body is very dynamic, and the fluid you lose through Herbalife is lost gradually. Compare to a person who does liposuction and you'll see A LOT of skin.

So please, do a little scientific research before you push a product.

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Scientific Commitment

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As a leader in the wellness industry, Herbalife has proudly established two scientific bodies: the Medical Advisory Board and the Scientific Advisory Board. Together, these teams, comprised of distinguished doctors, award-winning scientists and renowned wellness experts, help advance the field of nutritional science, ensure Herbalife products are high quality and educate customers worldwide on every aspect of good health.

Medical Advisory Board
Herbalife's Medical Advisory Board (MAB) is chaired by David Heber, M.D. and includes award-winning doctors who guide product research and development, focusing on the quality and benefits of our products.

Scientific Advisory Board
Herbalife has its own Scientific Advisory Board (SAB) committed to advancing the field of nutritional science.

The Mark Hughes Cellular & Molecular Nutrition Laboratory
As a wellness pioneer, Herbalife has donated funds to establish a research laboratory at the Center for Human Nutrition at UCLA.*

*UCLA, or the University of California, Los Angeles, is one of the most prestigious universities in the world. It boasts five faculty recipients of Nobel Prizes and nine National Medals of Science.
The Nobel Prize is a registered trademark of the Nobel Foundation.

http://www.herbalife.com/hl/templates/temp...cCommitment.jsp

like they'll believe that link..........it'll take more than just that..
hey UCLA! I'll get my cuzzie to verify it.

For arguments sake, if ppl want to give me money,heck, why not?If I were UCLA I would say thanks and bye bye. Doesn't go to show Mark Hughes or Herbalife has proven efficacy of his product. For no reason drag in UCLA and Nobel Foundation. lol!

Didn't you read my comment? I asked for a NON-SPONSORED, INDEPENDENT, body. By virtue of having received funds from Herbalife, how can the layperson know that the results's aren't biased?

It's the same as when a mobile phone manufacturer establishes a magazine as "official reviewer" and "donates" several phones to the magazine. Would you trust the magazine to be impartial? Hardly, and neither would you trust Proton's PR would you?

This Heber checks out, especially if you're looking for proponents of "integrative" medicine. Fine - he's a respected doctor. Excellent. Now let's see some INDEPENDENT test results - you know, like the experiment they did that disproved the results of prayer on healing? Link

http://herbalife.sitestream.com/Testimonia...s=&media=725676

..did u doctor family advise their patient to lose weight if they are over weight??
..jus want to know this..

Nice video. Good production values, and Dr Komadina is now running for senate.

What's the difference between these testimonials and the ones you see in Harian Metro, or The Shopping Channel? Why is Herbalife different from:

"I used Brand X soap but after trying Brand Y soap my body feels so clean!" - Humphrey, KL.

You have to understand that I don't just diss these products for fun - what I'm trying to do is to make people aware that just because something has the word "natural" in it doesn't make it legit, or even safe. So yeah, more NON-SPONSORED content, please.

For example: Herbalife Link, with references.



This post has been edited by Lord_Ashe: May 10 2006, 04:14 PM

Huh? Being overweight isn't healthy so doctors would normally emphasise healthy lifestyle change INCLUDING weightloss. I don't see your point though.

Yes, obviously!
In singapore, kids who are overweight are required to join a excercise regime every morning before classes.

^^^^^

Those're some very valid points there bro. I repeat, nothing will ever beat a good healthy diet and good old fashioned exercise. Heck, Herbalife is RM300 plus, so much more than my whey protein powder. IMO, not worth it.

RM300 plus is not for every month for the rest of ur life. It is just helping you to get to the ideal weight and size. after tat. u may totally stop.

Funny how a product that makes you lose weight also enables you to GAIN weight - what, it "knows" what you want and acts accordingly? A sentient diet product?