QUOTE(Steven83 @ Mar 20 2013, 07:32 PM)
Dont play play. EddyLB = taikor woooV10 - Property Prices (Up, Down or .....), and the debate goes on and on and on ...
V10 - Property Prices (Up, Down or .....), and the debate goes on and on and on ...
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Mar 20 2013, 07:41 PM
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Mar 20 2013, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Mar 20 2013, 08:05 PM) Boss dun b shy la. I read thru all ur Genneva posts. Really salute la. Not everyone can do a proper calculation and act smart like u. If u r my biz partner, I can sleep well liao. Haha those Genneva days. Really missed those people who believe in the Ponzi scheme. Pat Lu, Anoy_me, etc |
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Mar 20 2013, 10:26 PM
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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Mar 20 2013, 07:15 PM) I haven't increased one of my tenant's rental since 5 years ago. Although someone offered to rent the shop for 20% more. All because he is very prompt, and never never kacau/complain even 1 time unlike my other tenants. I will rather keep good tenant than having headache over 20% more rental. To me, it is not worth it. Yup, I admit I do not have much experience on commercial properties.For rental payment promptly, one of my mentors recently taught me a "technique" that you can use (which my family has used it succesfully). Collect 1 years rental in advance via post-dated cheques, dated on 1st day of the month, but charge only slightly lower rental (ie 5%-10% below market). Then deposit the cheques on the 1st of each month as landlord. Tenant only has to make sure sufficient money to clear the cheque during the 1st of the month in their account. They won't cheat because if they bounce the cheque then they'll be blacklisted. Of course this method only works with middle-class tenants. Those lower class tenants are different story la. Of course, the tenant can cancel the cheques too but that's an extra hassle to him/her. Do you reckon this method can be used on commercial props? |
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Mar 20 2013, 10:42 PM
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QUOTE(joeblows @ Mar 20 2013, 10:26 PM) Yup, I admit I do not have much experience on commercial properties. Yes, it helps a bit. But my experience is PD cheque or no PD cheque, if the tenant can pay promptly, they will pay. If the tenant has cashflow problem, then on the 30th, they will ask you to postpone banking in the cheque. So, the problem will still be there even with PD cheque.For rental payment promptly, one of my mentors recently taught me a "technique" that you can use (which my family has used it succesfully). Collect 1 years rental in advance via post-dated cheques, dated on 1st day of the month, but charge only slightly lower rental (ie 5%-10% below market). Then deposit the cheques on the 1st of each month as landlord. Tenant only has to make sure sufficient money to clear the cheque during the 1st of the month in their account. They won't cheat because if they bounce the cheque then they'll be blacklisted. Of course this method only works with middle-class tenants. Those lower class tenants are different story la. Of course, the tenant can cancel the cheques too but that's an extra hassle to him/her. Do you reckon this method can be used on commercial props? For those Pak Hitam, I even collect 1 year rent in advance and charge them 30% higher than market. So, rental can actually differ greatly on the same property. But you will suffer as these tenants will bring a lot of trouble to you and your property. So, call me racist, but I am not renting to them in the future after 1 bad experience |
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Mar 20 2013, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE(joeblows @ Mar 20 2013, 10:26 PM) Yup, I admit I do not have much experience on commercial properties. Bro most commi using tis method for long oledi la. Pros n cons. Cancelling cheque is not hassle. Another to cheat is just sign diffently oledi jialat kenot go thru liao. Afterall gd tenant can turn nasty too. Eg losing $$$ in genting n borrow fr a long.Anyone can turn evil overnite. For rental payment promptly, one of my mentors recently taught me a "technique" that you can use (which my family has used it succesfully). Collect 1 years rental in advance via post-dated cheques, dated on 1st day of the month, but charge only slightly lower rental (ie 5%-10% below market). Then deposit the cheques on the 1st of each month as landlord. Tenant only has to make sure sufficient money to clear the cheque during the 1st of the month in their account. They won't cheat because if they bounce the cheque then they'll be blacklisted. Of course this method only works with middle-class tenants. Those lower class tenants are different story la. Of course, the tenant can cancel the cheques too but that's an extra hassle to him/her. Do you reckon this method can be used on commercial props? Try get urself into the boat then u ll hav a solution to every trouble. Practice makes perfect ma. No practice ll get rusted very easily. |
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Mar 20 2013, 10:48 PM
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QUOTE(EddyLB @ Mar 20 2013, 10:42 PM) Yes, it helps a bit. But my experience is PD cheque or no PD cheque, if the tenant can pay promptly, they will pay. If the tenant has cashflow problem, then on the 30th, they will ask you to postpone banking in the cheque. So, the problem will still be there even with PD cheque. There r some $$$ not ours to earn. Some tenant who come to u n tell u how rich he is, beta watchout. I prefer those really tok less, ask less n pay on time type.For those Pak Hitam, I even collect 1 year rent in advance and charge them 30% higher than market. So, rental can actually differ greatly on the same property. But you will suffer as these tenants will bring a lot of trouble to you and your property. So, call me racist, but I am not renting to them in the future after 1 bad experience Once an insurance agency tenant told me how well his biz was but alwiz pay 1 mth late. I decided to just terminate him after TA. Prob solved. Get another new tenant n raise 20% n touch wood, a very gd pay master. Din incrwase much after tat. Onli twice thru out 8yrs tenure b4 I sell of with 1:4. Thank god. |
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Mar 20 2013, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Mar 20 2013, 10:48 PM) There r some $$$ not ours to earn. Some tenant who come to u n tell u how rich he is, beta watchout. I prefer those really tok less, ask less n pay on time type. I even have 1 tenant who pays promptly every month, but complain a lot on maintenance. Air cond not cold, toilet leaking, door lock spoilt, fridge spoilt, toilet stuck etc etc. Every month also got complaint. Until I fed up and offer her RM300 pm and ask her to take care of the maintenance for me Once an insurance agency tenant told me how well his biz was but alwiz pay 1 mth late. I decided to just terminate him after TA. Prob solved. Get another new tenant n raise 20% n touch wood, a very gd pay master. Din incrwase much after tat. Onli twice thru out 8yrs tenure b4 I sell of with 1:4. Thank god. Suddenly we all talk about rental issues |
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Mar 20 2013, 11:31 PM
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QUOTE(ManutdGiggs @ Mar 20 2013, 08:05 PM) Boss dun b shy la. I read thru all ur Genneva posts. Really salute la. Not everyone can do a proper calculation and act smart like u. If u r my biz partner, I can sleep well liao. Agreed. We need this kind of biz partner that look at the big picture. This post has been edited by Steven83: Mar 20 2013, 11:36 PM |
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Mar 21 2013, 01:59 AM
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Nice to know taikors here share their experiences.
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Mar 21 2013, 04:32 AM
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I vote up too... Looking forward for a property but couldn't afford... Sob sob..
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Mar 21 2013, 04:36 AM
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I vote up too... Looking forward for a property but couldn't afford... Sob sob..
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Mar 21 2013, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE(joeblows @ Mar 19 2013, 10:13 PM) You said price going up bla bla bla........I can still accept. Can i just say I found good deal or smart banker? But the words in bold - very fake. I know first hand very large amount of bank valuation FAR below asking price and agent asking buyer to top up cash. This is a fact and undeniable. Lets just say......fishy. Or u found bad deal and lousy banker? end.. I dont want to argue with u further as this is my experience |
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Mar 21 2013, 09:22 AM
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Mar 21 2013, 09:31 AM
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QUOTE(kingalfred9999 @ Mar 21 2013, 08:55 AM) Can i just say I found good deal or smart banker? Your 1 experience is probably a coincidence. In my experience (and i have invested in a few properties), is that banks valuation will never be the same as the asking price if ure talking about ppl who value the properties correctly. Banks can only match asking prices if asking prices are slightly below market prices. We all know that even though banks know prices are higher but they might evaluate lower to reduce their risks. Back in 2009/2010, banks were valuating mostly according to asking prices but since 2011, they have become very cautious. Even for me with stable finances, i had a problem purchasing a property in 2011. Only CIMB managed to match the asking price.Or u found bad deal and lousy banker? end.. I dont want to argue with u further as this is my experience |
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Mar 21 2013, 10:30 AM
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this is true to a certain extent..but if im a banker this is my opportunity to widen my market share if I have lots of reserve to spare..so u cud see that some banks are cautios some are quite agressive..so as a consumer its up to you to knock as many doors as you can till they let you in..i think as long as rental can cover your monthly payment you are good to go although some bank said the property is overpriced..else you wouldnt even take the time to look at that property in the first place arent you?
QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Mar 21 2013, 09:31 AM) Your 1 experience is probably a coincidence. In my experience (and i have invested in a few properties), is that banks valuation will never be the same as the asking price if ure talking about ppl who value the properties correctly. Banks can only match asking prices if asking prices are slightly below market prices. We all know that even though banks know prices are higher but they might evaluate lower to reduce their risks. Back in 2009/2010, banks were valuating mostly according to asking prices but since 2011, they have become very cautious. Even for me with stable finances, i had a problem purchasing a property in 2011. Only CIMB managed to match the asking price. |
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