you're making yourself look like a fool man... are you high??

looking at your avatar, no wonder you can said high thing like that...

when u pm him? yesterday?

People judged you after so many months of hit and run. And you judge people because of the avatar?

Dear Admin/Se7en & apis,

To show my sincerity to end this mess, i hope chin_kh pls come forward and tell me what you want. If you are afraid uncomfortable to pm me, you may email me or calling my mobile.

Let's us settle this case gentlemen. Fine, i will take back the ap set and give you a reasonable refund. At least, reply my pm or email or call me to settle it face to face. Forget about all the accusations as "CUSTOMER IS ALWAYS RIGHT". I eat that up and i'm willingly to do a refund. Can admin remove the dispute tag for this moment because i'm unable to get reach of chin_kh. If he keeps on ignoring me, i'll be tagged forever, then it is unfair to me.

To the rest who concern, stop putting fire and minyak on this complain. My main objective is to remedy and to resolve this matter asap. No more personal attack and absurd remarks.

Thanks

ps: If Admin/mod think i should reply to http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2316288 please assist to link my posting to it.

Dear chin_kh,
If you put in your complain thread as "Complain against suntzulee" and not "Conman:suntzulee", i would love to reply at the first place. Sometimes words and accusations are very powerful. Whether people want to take you seriously or ignore you is all depend how you frame it. Nevertheless, CUSTOMER is always right, I give in and pls contact me asap....


This post has been edited by suntzulee: Jan 15 2013, 12:37 PM

Dear suntzulee,

Please reply your kind words at chin_kh thread.
Your thread here are just to defame and accused the mods (apis) and the admins.

Since you are so determined that you are being wronged and bullied (i assumed you think so), please contact the admins (pm them maybe) directly asking for advise.

Bumping and replying to this thread just make you look bad (at least to me).

Another advise, if youre willing to turn a new leaf, just abandon this id and make a new one. just a suggestion tho.

I wonder why I kept feeding the troll... lol.

To summarize the whole thing again and answer all of your doubts:

1. chin_kh opened a false complain on me.
-so you should do something about it - reply. defend yourself
2. I ignore him because it's baseless and untrue.
-wrong move. ingnoring will only make you seem more guilty.
3. apis sided on chin_kh and kacau my thread everyday
-no one sided with anyone. you just happened not to care about your customer. so everyone think you are at fault here
4. Due to apis influence and abuse of power, admin awarded me a dispute tag
-admins aren't stupid. they will not give dispute tag without making their own judgement first. as you can see from the original thread, there are no reply from you, at all.
5. apis tease me with Mr. Dispute tag holder nick name
-you called him Bias Mod first. he did give you pm informing you about the original thread
6. I try hard to resolve this matter with chin_kh with pm
-after some freaking months. chin_kh probably lost his interest already.
7. chin_kh ignored all my pm to him
-you ignored him at the first place.

Again, i repeat that I sold ap set to chin_kh and not sme claim as ap. He made up the whole story and by virtue i refused to reply on his absurd complain thread, he used that to blind apis into believing his created fairy tale. Apis without listening to both side (as he is BIAS) commented/posted/criticized my selling thread everyday.
-everyone who read the original thread aren't biased at all. some of them even said that it's partly chin_kh's fault for not checking during cod. everyone is open minded and trying to see who's actually at fault. the problem is, you did not come to defend yourself. at all. in any way. automatically chin_kh wins. as a seller, you ignored the complaint of a customer, maybe he is making that up, but you had to at least be professional and tell your side of story with proof. when you didn't do that, so obviously you just acting like any conmen do, hence the dispute tag.

As a fair mod, apis suppose to investigate the case thoroughly and seek clarification from both side. But due to BIASNESS and CONFLICT OF INTEREST, he tend to ruin my image and credibility here. Moreover, as a mod, he cant tease or humiliate someone by calling MR. Dispute tag holder. He should somehow show respect and at least understand the basic of calling a person.
-he did. he wants to know your story, everyone did. everyone who read the original thread knows. he is a mod, he is also a person, but you did basically piss everyone who actually wanted to help you at the first place.

I wonder what apis told the admin, Se7en about my case but i believe Se7en should voice his stand here why he given me the dispute tag. This will be fair on the check and balance. If apis told Se7en (admin) to issue me dispute tag and he without finding the right facts and eventually awarded me the tag, then this will be very unfair to me.
-he didn't award you the tag just for fun or just because somebody asked him to. look back at the original thread, and you can easily see why you got it.

The reason why i didnt reply on chin_kh's false thread is the complain is baseless and I really look stupid if i reply. For example, a stranger accused you for conviction of crime in facebook, knowing the fact that it was untrue and baseless. Then, is it necessarily to explain why you did not do it? By right i can complain back that the false thread created by chin_kh to admin or mod which what am i doing right now.
-so, if someone drag you to court with false claim, will you keep quite? no, right? at the very least you will say 'i didn't do it!' - a kind of defense statement. now, lets take a look your stars, wow, so many. so you should, no, you had to know how lowyat.net system work. if you have a thread here, be it a false claim, you should come and defend yourself. its so simple, yet you failed to do so.

Let us go back to the initial objective of having a dispute and trade zone forum. Simple, to assist people from getting con or any negative incidents. But the point is whether there is any check and balance or clarification made whether the complain thread is genuine or not??? For my case, the false complain thread created by chin_kh was a story told by him alone. I felt it was utterly untrue and i refused to reply. But apis concluded i refuse to defend myself. But apis never ask me why i refused to answer the false thread. Eventually i told apis why but he insisted to side on chin_kh.
-not just apis, everyone. everyone concluded you failed to defend yourself. nobody can actually check and balance. nobody can actually see some clarification. and oh god, this is whyyyyy we have the complaint thread! - to actually judge whether the complaint is genuine and should be entertained or not! so you should be here at the first place! if you really had PMs defending yourself with apis like you said, show us. you are not a tv celebrity who can choose to ignore gossips, you are a trader. you should not risk your safe trader tag, nor your stars because of this, that is why you have to again, freaking defend yourself. and when you failed to do it, all your hard work, your stars, your seniority, meant nothing. in everyone eyes, you're just another conmen.

Overall, this is why i open a complain thread against apis_LuaLua, being BIAS on my case and have conflict of business due to his identity as a seller and a trade enforcer....
-another wrong move. this is like digging your own grave. nuff said

sorry if i hurt your feelings. i'm usually a silent reader in here. but i don't know why my heart is screaming in frustration whenever i'm in this thread. -hence the reply. lol

This post has been edited by shufaz: Jan 15 2013, 01:13 PM

From what I read, I still don't see any sign of sincerity. Posting is still fill with sarcastic remarks. TS, consider this a hard lesson learned. Since u so have the integrity to settle, do it in a respectful manner and I m sure ppl are willing to forgive and forget.

after dissapear like ghost last year, this year put the blame on mod & admin... how clever of you can think like that.. in court, u already officially lost on default , u know...

no, because he just ignored you for, lets see... 5 days. unlike you who ignored everything for 5 months before holding the tag.
even if he ignored you forever, he is still not the one at fault here. why should he be tagged?

Well said!

This post has been edited by svage98: Jan 15 2013, 01:56 PM

+1

let said chin_kh accused you sellinh AP, did you ever come and defense your self with prove? never rite..

its like court calling you to defense yourself but you never turn up than now you want to blame people?

and i wonder why you never ever want to provide any proved?

We as human, have a pity to another human, not only for a good people...but also to a bad guy...bukan bermakna cakap sape2 salah..sapa2 bad..just a pity...
Seperti junjungan kita mengasihani,bahkan yang melontar batu pada beliau tidak dibenci,kasihanlah..(jangan nak ceramah agama sangat...nanti kene bash)

I feel pity for him, not that i say he is right,or i say apis is wrong...i know, apis is a good guy helping people who got scammed here,many time...he also help for my case long time ago..
but i feel pity for the TS...for what he have done,any wrong he did for receiving this and, what he going through...and i do hope that he resolve this with manner and right way...and dont do it again..pity la u..

One thing I dont understand...
What TS try to archive here...
what TS expecting....
What he want in return...

Ok thats not one thing...

You only attempted to contact original complaint after 8-months. I won't call that trying hard. Do you still have his HP No. Have you tried to sms him Now perhaps you know how he felt when he tried to contact you unsuccessfully.


Where is the proof that you said it was a AP set and not SME set? O yeah, you sold the phone when the msg was kept and formatted the phone first. But why didn't you post the evidence when it was still with you?

This is not about a stranger making a baseless accusation against you. chin_kh had a business transaction with you and is making a complaint arising from the said business transaction. Had this case gone to court / tribunal, by your actions of just keeping quiet and not presenting any rebuttal evidence, you would be found guilty.

I hope that chin_kh contacts you again and resolves this issue. Perhaps you should make your offer price public to see if other forumers think its a fair price.

hi apis, lets forgive each and another and move on. Everyone would like us to settle this once and for all and have a happy ending eventually. I'm requesting a favor from you. Could you please help me to pm chin_kh and ask him what he want or please reply my pm?

Thanks.

Wow...now he change mood already. Friendlier tone after all the ranting

Did you reply to the old dispute thread by chin_kh? If not then that's the better place to do if you sincerely want to contact him to solve coz obviously he's already feed up with your previous "ignoring him treatment". If I were chin_kh I would ignore you too if only now you want to talk after all this time

This post has been edited by svage98: Jan 15 2013, 03:58 PM

I hope you are going to be patient. you ignored him for 8 months, probably chin_kh wanted to give the same treatment back at you.

Good points. Save me the trouble of following everything.

One thing I would like to know from the seller.

Did you have any proof to show that you are selling AP phone to buyer? If you have the proof, then you can clear your name there as buyer might be mis-read it.
After reading all 5 pages of comment in here, I didn't see any proof where you stated you are selling AP set, even though many people have asked you.

On the Apis's part where he's bias or seller, I can concur that he's the seller before promoted to Mod. From what my observation, Admin will only remove your dispute tag once they gotten confirmation from seller or the victim. Admin need prove to show that you have already resolve the issue.

Do you still have buyer's hp number? Perhap calling him to solve the issue faster than PM/email to him. Once sorted it out, then can give conclusion/answer to all of us.