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andrekua2
post Apr 17 2022, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(iZuDeeN @ Jan 6 2022, 09:14 PM)
Dear.taikos

I had a.pc with  amd 5600x and 3080 on a  Seasonic 850w platinum

https://seasonic.com/platinum-xp2-xp3 ; bought probably 5 yrs ago

Question : my PC randomly shutdown ... Sometimes when in Ms Teams and sometimes during gaming
I suspect it's PSU because it's shutdown instead reboot...

U guys think it's the PSU aging?
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Oh man, I had a seasonic g dying on me last year and I thought it was weird. I hardly used my pc and only turn on less than 50 times a year. My kids starting to learn gaming on pc and after a few months, boom. I think I'm gonna avoid Seasonic PSU despite it's good reputations. I'm still running on an even older Antec PSU but looks like Antec no longer make PSU.

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post Apr 17 2022, 10:32 AM

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is Silverstone DA750 good?

what about CM MWE 650 gold?
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post Apr 17 2022, 11:08 PM

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QUOTE(Baconateer @ Apr 17 2022, 10:32 AM)
is Silverstone DA750 good?

what about CM MWE 650 gold?
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Silverstone DA750 (I presume the 80+ Gold version) - CWT GPX (similar to the Deepcool DQ-M-V2L), basically a low cost 80+ Gold platform, according to the tier list it's a Tier C unit as the unit fails burn in test on low AC input voltage (i.e. ~100V) icon_idea.gif

Value-wise it's hard to justify this, as for the same price (it costs about RM430) you can get something like the Corsair RM650 or Cooler Master V650 V2, of which both are better units than the DA750 icon_idea.gif
If you really need 750W then there's the Fractal Design Ion Gold or the similarly priced V750 V2:
https://www.lazada.com.my/products/750w-fra...&freeshipping=1

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/cooler-m...yAPItW&search=1

You can refer to the Deepcool review for a rough idea of the DA750's performance:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepco...r-supply-review

The MWE Gold is fine, but I think it's EOL'd and replaced by the improved V2, and while the PSU offers very good performance, the issue is that the unit has some QC issues from the manufacturer itself (XHY) so I'll probably avoid this for now. Alternatives would be something like the Silverstone VIVA Gold (which is a rebrand of the Chieftec Polaris and is professionally reviewed) or the Corsair CX-F icon_idea.gif

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsai...r-supply-review
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/chieftec...aris-psu-750-w/

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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Apr 17 2022, 10:30 AM)
Oh man, I had a seasonic g dying on me last year and I thought it was weird. I hardly used my pc and only turn on less than 50 times a year. My kids starting to learn gaming on pc and after a few months, boom. I think I'm gonna avoid Seasonic PSU despite it's good reputations. I'm still running on an even older Antec PSU but looks like Antec no longer make PSU.
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Seasonic does have good units though - PSU quality can vary wildly from brand to brand (even good brands have bad units, and vice versa) icon_idea.gif

It's not a good idea to single out an entire PSU brand just because you have bad experiences with them icon_idea.gif

Antec does still make PSUs though (although their quality is not as good as what they had back in the days, unless you buy their high end stuff) icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Apr 17 2022, 11:08 PM)
Silverstone DA750 (I presume the 80+ Gold version) - CWT GPX (similar to the Deepcool DQ-M-V2L), basically a low cost 80+ Gold platform, according to the tier list it's a Tier C unit as the unit fails burn in test on low AC input voltage (i.e.  ~100V) icon_idea.gif

Value-wise it's hard to justify this, as for the same price (it costs about RM430) you can get something like the Corsair RM650 or Cooler Master V650 V2, of which both are better units than the DA750 icon_idea.gif
If you really need 750W then there's the Fractal Design Ion Gold or the similarly priced V750 V2:
https://www.lazada.com.my/products/750w-fra...&freeshipping=1

https://www.lazada.com.my/products/cooler-m...yAPItW&search=1

You can refer to the Deepcool review for a rough idea of the DA750's performance:
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/deepco...r-supply-review

The MWE Gold is fine, but I think it's EOL'd and replaced by the improved V2, and while the PSU offers very good performance, the issue is that the unit has some QC issues from the manufacturer itself (XHY) so I'll probably avoid this for now.  Alternatives would be something like the Silverstone VIVA Gold (which is a rebrand of the Chieftec Polaris and is professionally reviewed) or the Corsair CX-F icon_idea.gif

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsai...r-supply-review
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/chieftec...aris-psu-750-w/
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thank you for the info..
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Apr 17 2022, 11:09 PM)
Seasonic does have good units though - PSU quality can vary wildly from brand to brand (even good brands have bad units, and vice versa) icon_idea.gif

It's not a good idea to single out an entire PSU brand just because you have bad experiences with them icon_idea.gif

Antec does still make PSUs though (although their quality is not as good as what they had back in the days, unless you buy their high end stuff) icon_idea.gif
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I think maybe good as in stable power supply but I thought these should really last with the 50k hours rating on their capacitors.

Is EVGA GA any good? Cant find any reviews, but tempted because it's cheap, japanese capacitors and 10years warranty.
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QUOTE(JY. @ Oct 14 2020, 09:54 PM)
Guys, im using fractal design node 202 with their Integra SFX 450W PSU, my spec as below:
ryzen 5 3600
MSI B450 gaming ac mobo
1 x m.2
1 x SSD
2 x 8g ddr4 ram
1050ti GC
Im planning to upgrade my graphic card to RTX 2060 super, went thru a few PSU calculator, it seems like 450w is adequate. What you guys think?
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I postponed my GC upgrade until now as the price was crazy back then. Now im thinking about RTX3060 or 3060ti. Im wondering, is my PSU sufficient to power up a 3060ti? Or i shouldnt stress the PSU too much and live with a 3060?
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Sifus... notworthy.gif

Checking if this PSu still worth to acquire AX1200i Digital ATX Power Supply — 1200 Watt 80 PLUS® PLATINUM Certified Fully-Modular PSU hmm.gif

Seems 10 yo but if can get new from Amazon how icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(andrekua2 @ Apr 18 2022, 02:41 AM)
I think maybe good as in stable power supply but I thought these should really last with the 50k hours rating on their capacitors.

Is EVGA GA any good? Cant find any reviews, but tempted because it's cheap, japanese capacitors  and 10years warranty.
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Usually in a modern PSU it's usually the semiconductors that fail first, before the capacitors do (this is not the capacitor plague era anymore, also see the exploding FETs in the Gigabyte P750GM for an example) icon_idea.gif

EVGA GA - Andyson PAD(01) platform, trips with high transient power GPUs (such as a RTX3080), no proper reviews outside of Cybenetics test reports (only power ripple and noise measurements):
https://www.cybenetics.com/d/cybenetics_Y4X.pdf

Tier B low priority due to a lack of detailed reviews and trips with high transient power GPUs:

https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

Japanese capacitors does not always mean a high quality power supply as most Japanese capacitors these days are produced in the same factory as those of Chinese/Taiwanese ones (there are even Chinese-owned Japanese capacitor companies like Hitachi, where they sold their capacitor business to a Chinese company some time ago) icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(WaNaWe900 @ Apr 18 2022, 09:10 PM)
Sifus...  notworthy.gif

Checking if this PSu still worth to acquire AX1200i Digital ATX Power Supply — 1200 Watt 80 PLUS® PLATINUM Certified Fully-Modular PSU  hmm.gif

Seems 10 yo but if can get new from Amazon how  icon_rolleyes.gif
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It's a Tier A unit (used to be one of the best in fact), but it's a very old model (~10 years, and possibly without any warranty and support) so I don't recommend buying it:
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

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Corsair | AX-i <=1500W [10] / AX Titanium 850W [1][8]

[10] Out of production, any listings you would encounter today would be either used, reburbished or at the very least being long in storage. Buy at your discretion.
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QUOTE(JY. @ Apr 18 2022, 11:38 AM)
I postponed my GC upgrade until now as the price was crazy back then. Now im thinking about RTX3060 or 3060ti. Im wondering, is my PSU sufficient to power up a 3060ti? Or i shouldnt stress the PSU too much and live with a 3060?
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Wattage wise it's fine, but the problem is it's a FSP made, group regulated unit which is unsuitable for modern PCs:

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1122694-why...in-2019-and-on/

Might be best to swap this to a modern DC-DC PSU, like a Corsair SF450 or the SF600 icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Apr 19 2022, 05:55 AM)
Wattage wise it's fine, but the problem is it's a FSP made, group regulated unit which is unsuitable for modern PCs:

https://linustechtips.com/topic/1122694-why...in-2019-and-on/

Might be best to swap this to a modern DC-DC PSU, like a Corsair SF450 or the SF600 icon_idea.gif
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Wow, didnt know this is a thing. Thanks for the advice!
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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Apr 19 2022, 05:48 AM)
It's a Tier A unit (used to be one of the best in fact), but it's a very old model (~10 years, and possibly without any warranty and support) so I don't recommend buying it:
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/
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notworthy.gif appreciate the reply icon_rolleyes.gif will look into others 1kW or 1.2kW then hmm.gif

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hi what you all think about fractal design ion+ 860p, its Platinum rated PSU. i am am getting for RM600, or any other better value Platinum PSU to be recommended? i m replacing my Seasonic X660 Gold PSU. thanks all. *budget is rm600+-*
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Apr 21 2022, 09:19 PM)
hi what you all think about fractal design ion+ 860p, its Platinum rated PSU. i am am getting for RM600, or any other better value Platinum PSU to be recommended? i m replacing my Seasonic X660 Gold PSU. thanks all. *budget is rm600+-*
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It's a high quality unit (although overcurrent protection is set too high), but why 80+ Platinum? hmm.gif
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fracta...upply,6239.html

Tier A blue on the tier list:
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

If you can go for less efficient units there are lots of options to choose from at a lower price (and possibly better quality too) icon_idea.gif
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Is there a reason to replace a psu that's 10 years old? Everything is still running fine.
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What are the better unit that you could recommend? I am surveying for psu, why platinum ya...already have 2 corsair hx which is platinum so I guess just find the same platinum rated psu. Not keen on corsair hx as they cable sucks. Thinking of the fd ions plus as their cable is soft. Easier to tidy the cables but would be open for other choices too.

QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Apr 21 2022, 10:51 PM)
It's a high quality unit (although overcurrent protection is set too high), but why 80+ Platinum? hmm.gif
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fracta...upply,6239.html

Tier A blue on the tier list:
https://cultists.network/140/psu-tier-list/

If you can go for less efficient units there are lots of options to choose from at a lower price (and possibly better quality too) icon_idea.gif
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Upgrading the gc, so just want get beefier psu.

QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Apr 22 2022, 07:35 AM)
Is there a reason to replace a psu that's 10 years old? Everything is still running fine.
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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Apr 22 2022, 07:35 AM)
Is there a reason to replace a psu that's 10 years old? Everything is still running fine.
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Usually newer PSUs tend to have more modern designs (such as DC-DC) which are suitable for modern PCs with a discrete GPU icon_idea.gif
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QUOTE(Eng_Tat @ Apr 23 2022, 08:52 AM)
What are the better unit that you could recommend? I am surveying for psu, why platinum ya...already have 2 corsair hx which is platinum so I guess just find the same platinum rated psu. Not keen on corsair hx as they cable sucks. Thinking of the fd ions plus as their cable is soft. Easier to tidy the cables but would be open for other choices too.
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Corsair RMx, but in cable capacitors can become a problem for cable management sweat.gif

But the efficiency difference between gold and platinum is not very noticeable anyway in the real world icon_idea.gif

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