I read that Breville BES870 online saying that its a good model for home barista. Anyone using this encountering any problems? Am planning to get this for my home

what u making?
sorry I lazy to go back check

Making press coffee and also espresso. Do you have commercial ones? Am scouting for one. Maybe opening my own shop soon

Yeah, i tried it at their booth.

Need some advice. I bought new beans, I know this sound crazy, now I miss the acidity real bad . I've pulled 3 shots so far, all between 1:2 to 1:3 ratios and within 25-30s extraction time. I get too much bitterness and could only taste a very tiny taste of acidity. I read that I should maintain the dosage and grind coarser. Is that right?

That comes with built in grinder, might be good if you're uncertain of what grinder to get. It should be similar spec to their smart grinder, try to look out for more info on that.

This post has been edited by Keng: Jan 27 2015, 11:35 AM

im using this model, good machine for home use. The grinder is the same one as their standalone smart grinder, but less grinding steps. After 5months of using it, so far so good.

Frothing is slow(45-60sec) compared to commercial grade machines(10-15sec), but it gives you time to adjust and tune your desired frothiness

This post has been edited by Kclee2002: Jan 27 2015, 11:13 AM

hi all coffee lover,just got a pack of coffee bean from my friend as gift.So want to check with you all if i want to make americano i just need to get a coffee grinder and coffee maker?or is there any other tools i need?

Try with same dosage and 1:2 ratio and short stop at 20 seconds. Taste and see if it's more acidity or not. 1:3 ratio is Lungo, definitely more body..

Americano is espresso with hot water. Depending on your beans and the type of brewing method suitable for it.. It might not be what you're looking to get. You can also try using French press method.. You can get a French press like Bodum Chombard and a hand grinder.

This post has been edited by mel5582: Jan 27 2015, 02:58 PM

the Breville BES870 currently selling for RM2599. Is it a good deal? Thinking of having a hobby

thanks for your valuable input.. yes, we have extensively read about the sources of these machines.. not sure if you've noticed that the company, welhome is also the producer of commercial espresso machines such as la-cimbali and casadio.. wpm is just for their home series of espresso machines.

apart from comparing with other entry level machines such as the rancilio silvia, what other comparable machines that have such value for money for noob espresso beginners like us?
currently we're using a generic 15-bar, pressurized filter machine and we noticed the air-infused crema is a bit fake.. and hence we're looking at something better.

yes, we're contemplating at either importing a unit directly from china or taking a look at dankoff (the recently concluded MBC 2015 @chinwoo, dankoff also showcase the wpm KD-210S2, which we're also eyeing).. we're glad to see a few welhome machines at MBC 2015 too.. so currently it's either the KD-135b or KD-210S2 coupled with a WPM ZD-12 grinder to boot..

fyi, we import our fresh beans from china too..

This post has been edited by Tikietic: Jan 27 2015, 04:25 PM

hi,
may i know where did you source that bes870 at rm2599? can share?
thanks

Hey. I saw it on Lazada
http://www.lazada.com.my/breville-bes870-b...ine-940410.html

thanks.. didn't know lazada carries it
alternatively if you want to have opinions about other m'sia available espresso machine, you can head on to Dankoff Coffee Specialist they're located in sri kembangan(kl).. for the budget around <rm3,000 ... you may also consider WPM(welhome professional machines).. take a look at kd-210s2. if you went to the MBC-2015(m'sia barista championship) dankoff had a demo unit there too..

all in one espresso machines are really convenient.. but i can't really say much about the built in coffee grinder of the bes870.. a good grinder is very important.. where do you source your coffee beans?

p/s - the bes870 comes with a stainless steel 54mm portafilter.. if you're ok with it.. then it should be fine.. else, i'd go for a 58mm brass handle..

This post has been edited by Tikietic: Jan 27 2015, 05:01 PM

Not sure if u read it correctly, the company who make welhome do not make casadio etc. these Italian pro machines are still made in Italy. This company is a official distrubuter not manufacturer from what I found on a quick Google search

Import coffee beans from China when they don't grow coffee?? I thought u will do it in the region

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jan 28 2015, 12:03 AM

Actually, Welhome is just rebranded Sunbeams.. Or Krups (their grinder). La Cimbali is still Italian manufactured. Most, if not all of Italian machines are made in Italy.. It's just how the Italians are. Purely for quality assurance.

parts were made in china and their presence in hong kong is much more for sales and marketing..
yes, china do import beans for roasting.. we get the roasted beans.. roasted, packed, sent and reached us within 5 days to a week(from roasting date)..
tested one with ethiopian origin (didn't state clearly if it's from the 3 regions; harar, sidamo, yirgacheffe).. now testing some samples from columbian origin (without specific regions again)..
have read somewhere before, that china do grow coffee trees, not sure if it's the arabica or the robusta types.. it's mostly for local consumptions though..

we're not looking for commercial machines.. too expensive.. looking for less expensive alternatives with good boiler and pump.. with a brand that has been around at least for a while.. that was how we spotted wpm(welhome)
do you think for the price, the kd-210s2 is a better alternative to say... a gaggia baby/rancilio silvia? (not looking at simonelli as of now).. the breville looks good initially.. but stainless steel..
may i know what is your view?

sunbeams are at australia and i doubt they're solely made in australia.. am not too nit picking about the brand.. more on the built.. good group head, boiler and pump, portafilter.. the rest are chassis and electronics(?)
any machines that you can recommend for beginners that is available in malaysia? (less than rm3k?)

My opinion, if you like Welhome, just go for it. Since it's distributed locally by Dankoff. That said, the machine you're looking for is a single boiler? Dual or HX? If it's single, I would suggest the Rancilio Silvia. It's tried and proven to last for years.. If dual boilers, I doubt there are any in the market along your budget. HX, the closest is Nuovo Simonelli Oscar which runs for about RM3k+.

there are 2 models which we're comtemplating.. twin boiler, twin pump(kd-210s2) and the twin boiler, single pump(kd-135b)..
my contention is.. the kd-210s2 has a hot water dispenser(pulse) in which we would hardly use.. if you're familiar with sunbeam, it's the em6910 machine.. the price difference between the 2 welhomes are about rm700++ in your oppinion, is it worth the difference for a twin boiler, twin pump with a hot water dispenser?

yes, have read about the silvia since v1 to v3.. noticed how it has cut cost throughout the iterations over the years..

I've searched a bit on it.. It runs with thermoblock, not really a boiler.. Seems there are issues with it lasting for long.. Just Google "em6910 issues".. Maybe look at the Breville?

This post has been edited by mel5582: Jan 28 2015, 06:27 PM

China just started growing and expending coffee plantation back in 2011 or so. Takes about 5-10yrs long term investment. Yunan is a major province doing that, closer to Thailand

As for parts making in China yes! Final QC is still in Italy.

China certainly import beans, Malaysia too! Cheaper to go farm to China to Malaysia? I thought cheaper to do farm to Malaysia. Roasting is an art too, China roaster are doing a better job than your local roaster? Same beans coming from different roaster very lightly to taste different

No old fashion Chinese friends in China would go for overseas model over those they can find locally for quality. Say roomba they rather go for the export usa model vs what they can find locally not to mention it's cheaper

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jan 29 2015, 10:51 PM