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post Sep 6 2012, 10:50 AM, updated 13y ago

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1) What is a REIT?

A Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT) is a fund or a trust that owns and manages income-producing commercial real estate (shopping complexes, hospitals, plantations, industrial properties, hotels and office blocks).

A management company for a REIT is permitted to deduct distribution paid to its shareholders from its corporate taxable income. However, to enjoy this tax-free status, the REIT must have most of its assets and income tied to the real estate and distribute at least 90% of its total income to investors/unit holders annually

2) What are the benefits of investing in listed REITs?

Affordability
-> Investment in REITs cost a fraction of the cost of direct investment in real estate. You can start off with a minimal investment outlay.
Liquidity
-> REITs are more liquid compared to physical properties. Shares of publicly-traded REITs are readily converted to cash as they are traded on the stock exchange.
Stable income stream
-> REITs tend to pay out a steady dividend, which is derived from existing rents paid by tenants who occupy the REIT properties.
Exposure to a large-scale real estate
-> The benefits of the real estate are derived on a pro-rated basis through a REIT.
Professional management
-> REIT properties are managed by professionals who will add value for a higher yield, benefiting investors in the long run.

3) How to invest and where to buy REITs?

Similar to trading in stocks, you will be required to have a Central Depository System (CDS) account and a trading account maintained with a broker. You may buy or sell ETFs through your broker, remisier or via online trading during trading hours.

4) What do I have to pay when buying and selling REITs?

Like buying and selling stocks, investors need to pay brokerage commission, stamp duty and clearing fees.

5) What kind of returns can be expected from REITs?


Income distribution based on the distribution policy stated in the REIT's deed; and/or Capital gains which may arise from appreciation of the REIT's price.

6) Typical Conventional REIT Structure

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7) REIT risk factor

Refinancing Risks
The ability for REITs to refinance their existing banking facilities are critical to their survival.
Downside Dividend Yields
>Global recession putting strain across all businesses.As a result,dividend yields will come under tremendous pressure with negative rental reversions as businesses try to cut costs.
>Increase interest cost/spreads will also affect the bottom line.
Valuation Pressure
>Property valutations will also come under stress should negative rent reversion persist.
>As valuation fall ,REIT gearing level will increase and possible breaching debt covenants.
>May require balance sheet recapitalisation.
Dilutive Capital Raising
>Dilutive capital raising may be unavoidable in the event of balance sheet recapitalisation.
>REITs with ready sponsor participation will likely to be the first to come to the market.
Market factors
REITs are also subject to market demand and supply. As such, market fluctuations, confidence in the economy and changes in the interest rates may affect REITs price.
Risk Assiociated with Borrowing
>Significant fluctuations in interest rates may have an adverse impact on the financial performance of REIT and may lower income distribution to unit holders.There is an inverse correlation between the interest rates and the distributable income to unit holders.

Other risk include :

- Vacancies following expiry or termination of leases that reduces the REIT income
- The Manager's ability to provide adequate management and maintenance
- Not Sufficient insurance cover for the real estate in case of fire
- Sudden changes in tax regulations
- Poor collection of rent from tenants on a timely basis or tenants going bankrupt
- Lower rent when leases are renewed
- Poor cost control resulting in higher operating and other expenses without a corresponding increase in revenue
- Unexpected expenses due to changes in statutory laws,regulations or government policies.
- Amendment or revocation of the present tax incentives for REIT
- Competition for tenants from other building which may affect rental levels and occupancy rates.

8) Is dividend from REIT subjected to taxes? Can we claim back the tax?

Dividend from REIT are subjected witholding tax (10%) and is not claim back-able.

9) How to select a good REIT ?


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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 1 2012, 10:20 AM)
Look at
1. Yield
2. Type of property, location.
3. Lease - long term or short term. When is the lease expired, chance of renewal etc. aka stability in lease.
4. Gearing - as refinancing ability and cost is very important for reit for refinancing its borrowing. So level of gearing also need to look at.
5. Management - property need good management to keep in good shape and attract tenant while good managed property can fetch better yield.
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References

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nice compilations, informative. smile.gif


Added on September 6, 2012, 11:57 amquestion from JamesPond.


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hasil stamp and normal stamp all can bought from POS malaysia. Stamping was by hasil!! but before stamping u need to have HASIL stamp.

ref: http://www.laweddie.com/wordpress/faqs-of-...ancy-agreement/


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QUOTE(JamesPond @ Sep 6 2012, 10:38 AM)
hasil stamp and normal stamp are same?
I dont think so, the hasil stamp got special note with hasil word on it.

I dont understand the whole thing about tenancy agreement. They say once it is stamp by hasil, means it is valid on this date. If you can easily buy the stamp and stick it. Means you can forge the document with the stamping yourself?

Please correct me, if my assumption is wrong.
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diff stuff.... but revenue stamp can b in diff forms.... cud b like normal stamp where u can stick..... or post office can use rubber stamp & ink on ur form....

not sure bout legal agreement, but i tot the purpose of revenue stamp is for gov to collect fee only? tongue.gif
as the more important element in an agreement are the signatures, not the stamp rite?
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post Sep 6 2012, 12:37 PM

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couldn't add pdf by using file attachment sweat.gif wonder why..

anyway Retail REIT outlook by CIMB (19th July 2012)

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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Sep 6 2012, 12:37 PM)
couldn't add pdf by using file attachment  sweat.gif  wonder why..

anyway Retail REIT outlook by CIMB (19th July 2012)
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Hi,
Regarding the Hektar Right Issue. I just realized can trade directly on the market. The rights is trading at RM0.145 now. This is very close to the difference between current price of RM1.38 & Offer price RM1.23 = RM0.15

Since Hektar share price is following the market on down trend; it would be better to just sale the Right Issue to lock in the profit now? I can buy Hektar shares directly from market if later want to increase my unit holdings.

is above understanding correct? thanks!
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QUOTE(ooyah98 @ Sep 6 2012, 02:41 PM)
Hi,
Regarding the Hektar Right Issue. I just realized can trade directly on the market. The rights is trading at RM0.145 now. This is very close to the difference between current price of RM1.38 & Offer price RM1.23 = RM0.15

Since Hektar share price is following the market on down trend; it would be better to just sale the Right Issue to lock in the profit now?  I can buy Hektar shares directly from market if later want to increase my unit holdings. 

is above understanding correct? thanks!
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Yes, you are correct.
Save the hassle to buy bankdraft and sending the form and waiting.

-TR currently worth Rm0.135, current mothershare price isRm1.39, so need to give little bit discount to the TR buyer.
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Checking in on RED day for REITS. yawn.gif
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post Sep 6 2012, 09:04 PM

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This thread should be titled M-REITs....
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According to Mega Corporate Services, we can print and submit the HEKTAR Rights Subscription Form from http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed...cements/1054109 instead of waiting for the document via snail mail.

You can use PosLaju to submit the RSF + Banker's Cheque/Draft directly to their 15th Floor office.

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REIT HEKTAR ... any ideas?

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QUOTE(cscheat @ Sep 7 2012, 08:28 AM)
REIT HEKTAR ... any ideas?
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What is your question actually ?
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Oh...PavREIT is already E-Dividend as well.
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QUOTE(Dias @ Sep 7 2012, 10:03 AM)
Oh...PavREIT is already E-Dividend as well.
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QUOTE(Dias @ Sep 7 2012, 10:03 AM)
Oh...PavREIT is already E-Dividend as well.
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yep.... thumbup.gif who else not in e-divvy? b-reit will b in e-divvy as well........
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i still haven't receive my rights forms through post. how come? what can i do?
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QUOTE(sheep436 @ Sep 7 2012, 02:32 PM)
i still haven't receive my rights forms through post. how come? what can i do?
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It's sent via snail mail on 5 September 2012... give it a few more days. Probably would receive it next week.
Application must reach by 19 Sep 2012, 5pm
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Sep 7 2012, 03:30 PM)
It's sent via snail mail on 5 September 2012... give it a few more days. Probably would receive it next week.
Application must reach by 19 Sep 2012, 5pm
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I tot the form can be download via bursa? why we need to wait for the snail mail?

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QUOTE(kiwi_cream @ Sep 8 2012, 11:06 AM)
I tot the form can be download via bursa? why we need to wait for the snail mail?
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Both type of form can be submitted... it's up to you.
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HEKTAR-TR last day trade is on Monday or Tuesday?
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QUOTE(nspk @ Sep 8 2012, 11:57 AM)
HEKTAR-TR last day trade is on Monday or Tuesday?
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Last Trading day for HEKTAR-TR @ 11-Sep-2012, 5pm
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Sep 7 2012, 06:04 PM)
I guess have to wait till Monday to find out...

didnt get Pav one hopefully this one I get...

But did read up a lot on reits in all the thread versions here... Damn good info from a lot of taikors here thumbup.gif
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I received my HEKTAR Rights Issue Prospectus + Notice of Provisional Allotment + Rights Subscription Form on 8-Sep-2012
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can answer my question. Really thanks for it.

hasil stamp and normal stamp are same?
I dont think so, the hasil stamp got special note with hasil word on it.

I dont understand the whole thing about tenancy agreement. They say once it is stamp by hasil, means it is valid on this date. If you can easily buy the stamp and stick it. Means you can forge the document with the stamping yourself?

Please correct me, if my assumption is wrong.
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Hasil Stamp looks like this
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QUOTE(cwhong @ Sep 6 2012, 11:34 AM)
nice compilations, informative. smile.gif


Added on September 6, 2012, 11:57 amquestion from JamesPond.
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hasil stamp and normal stamp all can bought from POS malaysia. Stamping was by hasil!! but before stamping u need to have HASIL stamp.

ref: http://www.laweddie.com/wordpress/faqs-of-...ancy-agreement/
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QUOTE(JamesPond @ Sep 10 2012, 02:26 AM)
can answer my question. Really thanks for it.

hasil stamp and normal stamp are same?
I dont think so, the hasil stamp got special note with hasil word on it.

I dont understand the whole thing about tenancy agreement. They say once it is stamp by hasil, means it is valid on this date. If you can easily buy the stamp and stick it. Means you can forge the document with the stamping yourself?

Please correct me, if my assumption is wrong.
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i thought i already reply in the first pages number 2 posts with links by professional with answer ...... icon_rolleyes.gif
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HEKTAR Rights Issues Important Dates

Date for commencement of trading of the rights : 04/09/2012
Date for despatch of abridged prospectus and subscription forms : 05/09/2012
Date for cessation of trading of the rights : 11/09/2012
Date for Acceptance and Payment : 19/09/2012
Date for announcement of final subscription result and basis of allotment of excess Rights Securities : 24/09/2012
Listing date of the Rights Securities : 02/10/2012

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Ronnie and CW,

Really thanks, so for tenancy agreement, even got the hasil stamp for post office, I still need to personally walk to in hasil office to stamp it for certification?


Ronnie,

You'd exercise the rights. Do you worry if your pos-express of lost or not handle properly. There is possibility your rights will totally lapse. Is there any way you can check in advance before it was actually cease?
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QUOTE(JamesPond @ Sep 10 2012, 10:01 AM)
Ronnie,

You'd exercise the rights. Do you worry if your pos-express of lost or not handle properly. There is possibility your rights will totally lapse. Is there any way you can check in advance before it was actually cease?
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Mega Corporate Services handling HEKTAR suggest to use PosLaju instead of PosEkspress to secure delivery.
PosEkspress is delivered to their mailbox in the Mail Room (mails do get lost in the Mail Room doh.gif according to the Mega Corporate Services staff)
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So, you use poslaju and it is safe enough? Do you have a way to check that your request is in order?

About hasil stamp, is my statement correct? you still need to handed to hasil for certification?
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QUOTE(JamesPond @ Sep 10 2012, 10:16 AM)
So, you use poslaju and it is safe enough? Do you have a way to check that your request is in order?
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I believe it would arrived safely... maybe you can check the Banker's Draft has been cashed out or not.
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Today is the last day to sell your HEKTAR-TR .... take care if you want to locked in some profit
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Sep 10 2012, 10:23 AM)
I believe it would arrived safely... maybe you can check the Banker's Draft has been cashed out or not.
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OK thanks for your note.
Bursa shall need to improve the service here. The current practice is having too much room for mistake and causing potential financial lost.
Especially you didnt aware of the company you holding has this exercising. I cant rely on my old fashion mailbox for update. Sometime remisier just dont bother to inform you this.

CWHong,

please input if you got the answer. tQ.
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Exercising Rights Issue should be similar to e-IPO application.....
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for my opinion, i think reit is a bit boring.
compared to my performance charting.

At this moment, most reit are over priced.....
but i still like new reit that joining the market.
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QUOTE(JamesPond @ Sep 10 2012, 02:28 PM)
for my opinion, i think reit is a bit boring.
compared to my performance charting.

At this moment, most reit are over priced.....
but i still like new reit that joining the market.
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At this moment how do you determine if a reit is over priced ? What makes you think the new reits thats joining the market is not already over priced ?





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QUOTE(apagranpa10 @ Sep 10 2012, 03:46 PM)
At this moment how do you determine if a reit is over priced ? What makes you think the new reits thats joining the market is not already over priced ?
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at this moment i only know ARreit is cheaper compared with before ex-date .....
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QUOTE(cwhong @ Sep 10 2012, 03:48 PM)
at this moment i only know ARreit is cheaper compared with before ex-date .....
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at this moment my cost for the counter is 68 cents b4 ex yawn.gif




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pav is over price but still flying. the index is hitting the top tier. my opinion, better save for better bargain.
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QUOTE(apagranpa10 @ Sep 10 2012, 04:08 PM)
at this moment my cost for the counter is 68 cents b4 ex  yawn.gif
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reit is just like FD while bluechips is the one the potential one to let you fly.
While normal counter as I hold never impress me before. Except glove.
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QUOTE(apagranpa10 @ Sep 10 2012, 03:46 PM)
At this moment how do you determine if a reit is over priced ? What makes you think the new reits thats joining the market is not already over priced ?
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Some reit net yield is only a notch higher than FD rate, just about 4-5%, to me, it doesn't seems justify to expose more risk while just getting 0.x~1.x% more than FD, which is way lower risk than reit.
While some reit price are trading more than 30-40% over its NAV.
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QUOTE(JamesPond @ Sep 10 2012, 04:52 PM)
reit is just like FD while bluechips is the one the potential one to let you fly.
While normal counter as I hold never impress me before. Except glove.
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Reit is never a FD, it is more a fixed income instrument.
Never treat it as FD, not right to start with. smile.gif

Reit can go burst as well one, 2008 global crisis has lead to (overseas) reit need to fire-sale their asset to meet the debt obligation, also reit is subjected to market risk, economy and property market risk.
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So far, i have not seen reit going red.
it has too many way to move around. issuing rights and fund raising just making them move ahead.
to make it simple,
FD = short term, REIT = short term?
own biz = long term, blue chip = long term?
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QUOTE(JamesPond @ Sep 10 2012, 05:07 PM)
So far, i have not seen reit going red.
it has too many way to move around. issuing rights and fund raising just making them move ahead.
to make it simple,
FD = short term, REIT = short term?
own biz = long term, blue chip = long term?
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Because property sector is doing ok and lease/rental market generally is ok.

Previously we had AHP2, so if interested google the history of it.


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(i have not seen reit going red.)


At the heigh of global financial crisis 2007-2008.
Axreit was Rm1.00.
Stareit was Rm0.7x

Atrium once was Rm0.6x, when one of its property lease expired and not renew in time.

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Sorry for the misunderstanding of my point. The red I referring to failure of making profit of their nature of business.

Means fail to pay div to share holder. Not the value of mother share that is functuate over the crisis.

I have never encounter of AHP....i did do some study but the trading is ridiculous low. I will have a look on AHP2 history.
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REIT is like buying a property and rent out..

so as long as there are tenants paying rental , you'll get steady and predictable income.

Less hassle on dealing tenants biggrin.gif


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QUOTE(JamesPond @ Sep 10 2012, 10:16 AM)
So, you use poslaju and it is safe enough? Do you have a way to check that your request is in order?

About hasil stamp, is my statement correct? you still need to handed to hasil for certification?
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I also want to know about the hasil stamp, do we need to go LHDN for certification? or just buy hasil stamp in any post office will do? icon_question.gif
Too bad, LHDN is not open on Saturday. sad.gif
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I received a whole stack of document from hektar Notice of Provisional Allotment
But I dont understand what it is..
Is it good or bad?
What should i do with it...
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post Sep 10 2012, 06:59 PM

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Anyone know how much stamp cost to mail Hektar Rights Issue things? (From KL to KL.. Cost for normail mail or pos laju?)
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post Sep 10 2012, 07:25 PM

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So fast Hektar give dividend again?

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed...cements/1060693

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QUOTE(kyle_kl @ Sep 10 2012, 06:15 PM)
I also want to know about the hasil stamp, do we need to go LHDN for certification? or just buy hasil stamp in any post office will do? icon_question.gif
Too bad, LHDN is not open on Saturday.  sad.gif
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Go to post office and say you want to buy Stamp Hasil RM10 will do.
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post Sep 10 2012, 07:32 PM

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Go to post office and say you want to buy Stamp Hasil RM10 will do.
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So you mean no need go LHDN to certify the stamp hasil?
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QUOTE(kyle_kl @ Sep 10 2012, 07:25 PM)
Ex date is before new shares given...right? lol
Congratulation for those who sell the rights buy mother shares...
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You can't buy much from selling the rights anyway. It's more worthwhile to exercise the rights.
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weird... Hektar Interim Dividend should be in Nov, but it announce now...
anyone know y?
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Listing of Rights Securities on 02/10/2012.
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QUOTE(kyle_kl @ Sep 10 2012, 07:32 PM)
So you mean no need go LHDN to certify the stamp hasil?
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No need certify 1.. Just buy and use it.

By the way, anyone knows how much $$ for stamp posting for Hektar Rights Issue (from KL to KL)?
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QUOTE(H86 @ Sep 10 2012, 08:20 PM)
No need certify 1.. Just buy and use it.

By the way, anyone knows how much $$ for stamp posting for Hektar Rights Issue (from KL to KL)?
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Normal postage would be 60 sen ... Risky if it arrives late or worst get lost in transit.
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Hey guys, IGB Reit can be kept for super long term right?
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Hey guys, IGB Reit can be kept for super long term right?
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REIT is good to keep long term for dividends...
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Hey guys,

Just to reconfirm, when is the last day trading date for Hektar-TR ? today or tomorrow ?

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QUOTE(TheBestICould @ Sep 10 2012, 10:31 PM)
Hey guys,

Just to reconfirm, when is the last day trading date for Hektar-TR ? today or tomorrow ?

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Just now at 5pm....
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QUOTE(nspk @ Sep 10 2012, 08:06 PM)
weird... Hektar Interim Dividend should be in Nov, but it announce now...
anyone know y?
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I also find it very strange... Nevertheless, get dividend = good news for investors.
I wonder if the 3rd Interim Dividend will be paid based on Mother Share + Exercised Rights ?

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Third Interim Dividend of 2.6 sen gross per HEKTAR REIT unit for the financial year ending 31 December 2012

Does this mean no more dividends from HEKTAR for Year 2012 ?

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QUOTE(ronnie @ Sep 10 2012, 10:31 PM)
Just now at 5pm....
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Thanks Ronnie.

Damn..IGB IPO unsuccessful, not in time to get Hektar rights at 1.36 some more.. mother share closed at 1.38, probably going up tomorrow ?


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The new issues are for acquisition of the two new properties. I'd assume that they would want to avoid diluting DPS generated from existing holdings?

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QUOTE(Dias @ Sep 10 2012, 10:40 PM)
The new issues are for acquisition of the two new properties. I'd assume that they would want to avoid diluting DPS generated from existing holdings?
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Sep 10 2012, 10:33 PM)
I also find it very strange... Nevertheless, get dividend = good news for investors.
I wonder if the 3rd Interim Dividend will be paid based on Mother Share + Exercised Rights ?
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I dun tin so...
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QUOTE(Dias @ Sep 10 2012, 10:40 PM)
The new issues are for acquisition of the two new properties. I'd assume that they would want to avoid diluting DPS generated from existing holdings?
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If this only means we are getting the dividend in advance instead of more dividend, then not so happy lah. But ok lah, if it's for our good to avoid dilution. cool2.gif


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QUOTE(ronnie @ Sep 10 2012, 10:42 PM)
Could you explain in layman English ?
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It means after RI, total shares of Hektar will increase, so the income will be distributing to more units of shares. Therefore, the dividend for each share will be less. Hope my English ok enough for you. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(nspk @ Sep 10 2012, 08:06 PM)
weird... Hektar Interim Dividend should be in Nov, but it announce now...
anyone know y?
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Sep 10 2012, 10:33 PM)
I also find it very strange... Nevertheless, get dividend = good news for investors.
I wonder if the 3rd Interim Dividend will be paid based on Mother Share + Exercised Rights ?
Does this mean no more dividends from HEKTAR for Year 2012 ?
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It is not strange.

It is normal for reit to give dividend prior before private placement or right issue.
As those income is generated before new shares being issued. So previous shareholders should get those income as dividend.

It is unfair for newly shareholders (from the RI) get enjoy the previous income generated prior before they subscribe the RI.

As newly dividend payout will be diluted by new shares issued.
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IGB Reit IPO failed. As expected.
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Sep 10 2012, 10:08 AM)
Mega Corporate Services handling HEKTAR suggest to use PosLaju instead of PosEkspress to secure delivery.
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Only Pos Laju? Or as long as it is a courier service (where there is someone to receive and acknowledge receipt) is sufficient enough?
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QUOTE(Dias @ Sep 11 2012, 08:49 PM)
Only Pos Laju? Or as long as it is a courier service (where there is someone to receive and acknowledge receipt) is sufficient enough?
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Yep.... Pos Laju more common and CHEAP... you can also DHL/FedEx/UPS/.... the RSF
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I want to piggyback my company's corporate a/c for courier service. No need to go all the way to the post office. XD

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Sep 11 2012, 01:49 PM)
It is not strange.

It is normal for reit to give dividend prior before private placement or right issue.
As those income is generated before new shares being issued. So previous shareholders should get those income as dividend.

It is unfair for newly shareholders (from the RI) get enjoy the previous income generated prior before they subscribe the RI. 

As newly dividend payout will be diluted by new shares issued.
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Sep 10 2012, 10:27 PM)
REIT is good to keep long term for dividends...
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I got my Hektar rights forms last monday. I intend to apply for excess....
Just want to ask about the chances of getting excess shares vs no of lots i apply.
Case A; I apply 10 lots of excess, how many will i get get? what are my
chances?
Case B: I apply for twenty lots lots, will i get more than case A and will the chances be higher?

I understand that if i apply for 10lots (excess) i might get only 500 shares only.

Any sifu can help? just wanna to increase my chances of getting excess...cheap ma..


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QUOTE(sheep436 @ Sep 12 2012, 10:22 PM)
I got my Hektar rights forms last monday. I intend to apply for excess....
Just want to ask about the chances of getting excess shares vs no of lots i apply.
Case A; I apply 10 lots of excess, how many will i get get? what are my
            chances?
Case B: I apply for twenty lots lots, will i get more than case A and will the chances be higher?

I understand that if i apply for 10lots (excess) i might get only 500 shares only.

Any sifu can help? just wanna to increase my chances of getting excess...cheap ma..
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u need to refer back to the RSF itself...
normally the allocation will be by this way:
1) minimize the incident of odd lots
2) pro-rated basis based on ur shareholding on the entitlement date
3) pro-rated basis based on the excess amount that u applied

For ex, there are 1,000,000 of shares left unsubscribe...
assuming u r a shareholder, not a renouncee...
ur ori holding is 1,000 & u accept ur entitlement in full..... let's say 333 (ratio every 3, get 1)
so for 1st step.... u'll get 1,000 + 333.... in total 1,333 resulting in odd lots..... thus 1st round u'll get 67 shares...
let's say after 1st round.... there are 900,000 shares left only....
so for 2nd step.... the calculation will be 900,000 * 1,000 / 450,000 (base of shareholders' ori share who still have unallotted excess applied after round 1)...... so u'll get 2k
in total u r allotted 2,067 shares.... assuming u apply 5k.... u still have 2,933 left
for step 3.... calculation is 750,000 (shares left after 1st & 2nd round) * 2,933 / 570,000 (total of unallotted excess applied shares)
u r suppose to get 3,800 but since u have 2,933 left..... u'll only b allotted 2,900 shares this round...
if there's still balance avail..... they'll keep repeating step 3 until there is no more shares to be allotted......
u'll b refunded for the 33 of unallotted shares.....

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btw, to ans ur q.... yes.... u'll get higher chances in case b because when it comes to the quantum of excess applied (step 3 onwards).... the more u apply, they higher chances u'll get more allocation compare to others...... but bear in mind.... if u r a renouncee...... u'll lose big to the ori shareholders in 2nd round as u'll get 0.....

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Question on the RSF Part 3 (Declaration). Do I need to fill up the last two bullet points (the one about resident and nominee)?

PS: Banker's Cheque = Cashier Order?

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No more withholding tax for reits after Budget ?
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QUOTE(Dias @ Sep 14 2012, 10:27 AM)
Question on the RSF Part 3 (Declaration). Do I need to fill up the last two bullet points (the one about resident and nominee)?

PS: Banker's Cheque = Cashier Order?
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Put a line on the last 2 bullet points .. since it says Delete
Banker's Cheque similar to Banker's Draft
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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Sep 13 2012, 02:55 PM)
u need to refer back to the RSF itself...
normally the allocation will be by this way:
1) minimize the incident of odd lots
2) pro-rated basis based on ur shareholding on the entitlement date
3) pro-rated basis based on the excess amount that u applied

For ex, there are 1,000,000 of shares left unsubscribe...
assuming u r a shareholder, not a renouncee...
ur ori holding is 1,000 & u accept ur entitlement in full..... let's say 333 (ratio every 3, get 1)
so for 1st step.... u'll get 1,000 + 333.... in total 1,333 resulting in odd lots..... thus 1st round u'll get 67 shares...
let's say after 1st round.... there are 900,000 shares left only....
so for 2nd step.... the calculation will be 900,000 * 1,000 / 450,000 (base of shareholders' ori share who still have unallotted excess applied after round 1)...... so u'll get 2k
in total u r allotted 2,067 shares.... assuming u apply 5k.... u still have 2,933 left
for step 3.... calculation is 750,000 (shares left after 1st & 2nd round) * 2,933 / 570,000 (total of unallotted excess applied shares)
u r suppose to get 3,800 but since u have 2,933 left..... u'll only b allotted 2,900 shares this round...
if there's still balance avail..... they'll keep repeating step 3 until there is no more shares to be allotted......
u'll b refunded for the 33 of unallotted shares.....

wow..... i'm  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
btw, to ans ur q.... yes.... u'll get higher chances in case b because when it comes to the quantum of excess applied (step 3 onwards).... the more u apply, they higher chances u'll get more allocation compare to others...... but bear in mind.... if u r a renouncee...... u'll lose big to the ori shareholders in 2nd round as u'll get 0.....
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Sep 11 2012, 10:04 PM)
Yep.... Pos Laju more common and CHEAP... you can also DHL/FedEx/UPS/.... the RSF
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Can pos laju it?
I thought it is stated in bold that we must sent by ordinary post or hand delivered?

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Anyone here is going to load up on IGB reits next week ?

Affin Investment Bank target price is RM1.43.

IGB reits target price.


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QUOTE(sheep436 @ Sep 14 2012, 03:08 PM)
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gotta read a few times.. rclxub.gif
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Can pos laju it?
I thought it is stated in bold that we must sent by ordinary post or hand delivered?
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I was advised by Mega Corporate Services S/B staff to send via PosLaju... my RSF was received today.
RM4.65 for PosLaju only (send within Kuala Lumpur) ... more expensive if send from Selangor
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QUOTE(brownykoko @ Sep 14 2012, 06:40 PM)
Anyone here is going to load up on IGB reits next week ?

Affin Investment Bank target price is RM1.43.

IGB reits target price.
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I'm going to queue for RM1.35 to RM1.40 only.... but I think people may "goreng" the price.
This is REIT.... price changes may not be so drastic.
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Sep 14 2012, 11:44 PM)
I'm going to queue for RM1.35 to RM1.40 only.... but I think people may "goreng" the price.
This is REIT.... price changes may not be so drastic.
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expected DPU for 2013 is 6.71 sen according to the prospectus..if price go beyond 1.40 then its yield only about 4.x % sweat.gif

and i notice this REIT bring in many new investor...many of them still have no idea how REIT works.
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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Sep 15 2012, 09:08 AM)
expected DPU for 2013 is 6.71 sen according to the prospectus..if price go beyond 1.40 then its yield only about 4.x %  sweat.gif

and i notice this REIT bring in many new investor...many of them still have no idea how REIT works.
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Nowdays, people seems to goreng reits as well. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Sep 14 2012, 11:43 PM)
I was advised by Mega Corporate Services S/B staff to send via PosLaju... my RSF was received today.
RM4.65 for PosLaju only (send within Kuala Lumpur) ... more expensive if send from Selangor
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Thanks....I Poslaju-ed it today. The Poslaju man says if there is no one there to collect it, they will leave a card and ask the people there to collect it at the post office!!! sad.gif sad.gif
Taking a risk here-hopefully there's someone in the office to recieve it..., cos since it's an office address and not P.O. Box, surely got people in the office.... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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QUOTE(sheep436 @ Sep 15 2012, 12:56 PM)
Thanks....I Poslaju-ed it today. The Poslaju man says if there is no one there to collect it, they will leave a card and ask the people there to collect it at the post office!!!  sad.gif  sad.gif
Taking a risk here-hopefully there's someone in the office to recieve it..., cos since it's an office address and not P.O. Box, surely got people in the office.... rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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You can always track the document from Pos Malaysia's website
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If i buy kassests now, do I still entitled to get igbreit?
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hello, arreit price dropped coz dividend ex-date ya? didnt even noticed, was away 2 weeks =/
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If i buy kassests now, do I still entitled to get igbreit?
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Hi guys noob Q here: OP states that we must have CDS and nominee account to buy REIT, is it a typo? Can I buy REITs with a nominee account?
Thanks in advance!
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QUOTE(terrorbunny @ Sep 20 2012, 12:48 AM)
Hi guys noob Q here: OP states that we must have CDS and nominee account to buy REIT, is it a typo? Can I buy REITs with a nominee account?
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Yes... to buy REIT stocks can use Direct or Nominee CDS accounts.
For IPO, Nominee CDS not allowed
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IGBreit is coming to town.
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Sep 20 2012, 12:51 AM)
Yes... to buy REIT stocks can use Direct or Nominee CDS accounts.
For IPO, Nominee CDS not allowed
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Ronnie, how come my maybank online stocks account shows Nominees (Tempatan) but i still get to apply IPO via M2U ?

Please advise, thanks in advance. smile.gif
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QUOTE(TheBestICould @ Sep 20 2012, 07:57 PM)
Ronnie, how come my maybank online stocks account shows Nominees (Tempatan) but i still get to apply IPO via M2U ?

Please advise, thanks in advance.  smile.gif
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The IPO Issuing House will reject CDS Nominee accounts.... the eShare doesn't verify the type of CDS account you linked in M2U.
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Can we call Mega Corporate Services Sdn. Bhd to ask about Rights Issue Excess application result ?
How soon will the refund come back to me if unsuccessful ?
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Today KASSETS and IGB Reits....show that i'm not talking crap when i ask all the bro here to buy KASSETS before igb reit listed

Hope all the bro here gain on this IPO

ROOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM !
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Im Back

Today KASSETS and IGB Reits....show that i'm not talking crap when i ask all the bro here to buy KASSETS before igb reit listed

Hope all the bro here gain on this IPO

ROOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM !
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thanks fr yr advice..... i bought both KASSETS at RM 8.90 and also IGB reits on opening day at 1.35...

now am thinking should i sell kassets and take profit?
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Sep 24 2012, 02:21 PM)
thanks fr yr advice..... i bought both KASSETS at RM 8.90 and also IGB reits on opening day at 1.35...

now am thinking should i sell kassets and take profit?
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IGB Reit is a long term share....so the longer u keep...i think the more profit u goin to get..hence my advise is to keep....but as i mention its a long term share..so it might not go up as fast as other ordianry share....so its up to u....
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QUOTE(katesamsung @ Sep 24 2012, 02:44 PM)
IGB Reit is a long term share....so the longer u keep...i think the more profit u goin to get..hence my advise is to keep....but as i mention its a long term share..so it might not go up as fast as other ordianry share....so its up to u....
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IGB REIT definately keeping, as i bought all the reits for dividend. what about KASSETS...?
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QUOTE(elea88 @ Sep 24 2012, 02:21 PM)
thanks fr yr advice..... i bought both KASSETS at RM 8.90 and also IGB reits on opening day at 1.35...

now am thinking should i sell kassets and take profit?
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Your Kassets finally will turn into IGBreit, if your don't wish to sell.


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IGB REIT definately keeping, as i bought all the reits for dividend. what about KASSETS...?
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If intend to keep IGBreit, then no reason to sell Kassets, unless
1. Don't want money locked in (as corporate exercise for capital repayment takes times, and only expected to be completed 2013 1Q)
2. Don't want to have more exposure on IGBreit, or in other word more IGBreit, as already have IGBreit, (As Kassets will distribute you IGBreit 5.24 for every 1 Kassets share)

This post has been edited by cherroy: Sep 24 2012, 03:09 PM
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Your Kassets finally will turn into IGBreit, if your don't wish to sell.


Added on September 24, 2012, 3:09 pm

If intend to keep IGBreit, then no reason to sell Kassets, unless
1. Don't want money locked in (as corporate exercise for capital repayment takes times, and only expected to be completed 2013 1Q)
2. Don't want to have more exposure on IGBreit, or in other word more IGBreit, as already have IGBreit, (As Kassets will distribute you IGBreit 5.24 for every 1 Kassets share)
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Bro, i think u r one of the bro who tease me when i voiced out the buy call for KASSETS.....TODAY KASSETS touch RM9.50....but no hard feeling

For KASSETS holders..i think u should keep as the following reason


If u bought today 1000 of KASSETS at RM9.45( Assumption)
Your COST will be RM9450

IF on 19/10/2012...the iGB reit can maintain at RM 1.40(Assumption) , u can sell 5.24 at RM 1.40 = RM7336

SO RM9450 -RM 7336 = 2114..Total amount on your investment to KASSETS

so INVEST rm2114 AND GET BACK rm 2430 IN 6 MONTHS TIME...EQUIVALENT TO 14.9% RETURNED....

INVEST OR NOT ..U DECIDE URSELF....I JUS SHARE WHAT I STUDY AND KNOW.....BUT ALL THIS IS BASED ON ASSUMPTION...BUT I SUSPECT IT WILL BE BETTER OFF.....
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I heard that the new Budget 2013 will announce to remove the withholding tax for REITS? Is it true?
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Hi all,
I heard that the new Budget 2013 will announce to remove the withholding tax for REITS? Is it true?
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Hope it is true....!

REIT share....ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!

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Hi all,
I heard that the new Budget 2013 will announce to remove the withholding tax for REITS? Is it true?
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Budget prediction..... if true REIT will soar....
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Budget prediction..... if true REIT will soar....
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Let hope our government will follow policy like singapore and hong kong where no tax applicable to Reit dividend....!!
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QUOTE(sdas86 @ Sep 24 2012, 09:48 PM)
Hi all,
I heard that the new Budget 2013 will announce to remove the withholding tax for REITS? Is it true?
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Reduce to 5% may be have a chance, totally remove it, I personally do not think so or unlikely. I might be wrong.
My prediction is witholding tax of 10% is status quo.

The budget can be the one looking to reduce speculation of property, cooling down the property market, (as household debt is already at high level), instead of incentive for property market to flourish further.

Yes, I also welcome no witholding tax which can make M-reit more competitive.




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Tax break for M-REITs?

PETALING JAYA: Malaysian real estate investment trusts (M-REITs) are hoping for further relaxation of the withholding tax structure for investors in the upcoming budget in order to encourage more foreign interest in the sector.

Axis REIT Managers Bhd CEO and executive director Stewart Labrooy said there was a withholding tax of 10% for individuals while in Singapore there was not.

“Also, in Singapore, the corporate tax rate is lower than Malaysia and so dividends to non-resident corporate unitholders in Singapore attract a lower tax rate (17% versus 25%),” said Labrooy, who is also the chairman of the Malaysian REIT Managers Association.

According to a UOA REIT spokesperson, the abolishment of withholding taxes for foreign investors can ensure a level playing field with Singaporean REITs.

“As it is, foreign participation in M-REITs remains low.”

Sunway REIT Management Sdn Bhd chief executive officer Datuk Jeffrey Ng said he hoped there would be further relaxation of the withholding tax structure in the individual category, in order to encourage the participation of retail investors.

Ng also urged the Government to consider offering incentives to sponsors involved in incubation of assets to be injected into REITs, such as the waiver of stamp duty for the purchase of assets for the purpose of incubation by the sponsor.

A sponsor is the entity (usually the parent company or property developer) that injects assets into the REIT portfolio.

“This will encourage the incubation of assets by the sponsor in order to provide pipeline assets to the REITs over the medium to long-term horizon, to ensure that the REITs will continue to grow.

Ng noted also that based on the prevailing withholding tax structure, Malaysia is equally competitive as Singapore for both resident or non-resident institutional investors.

“It is crucial to ensure the competitiveness of this category because REITs are primarily invested by institutional investors,” said Ng.

However, Labrooy believed that the options available to the Government to provide incentives and further reduce taxes (with a corresponding fall in government revenue) will be limited.

“I am therefore putting my wish list for Budget 2013 on hold until after the general election, and perhaps once the goods and services tax is implemented when there will be more room to provide incentives through tax breaks and increase government expenditure while balancing the budget.

“It will be painful but necessary,” said Labrooy.

Meanwhile, property consultancy CB Richard Ellis (M) Sdn Bhd executive director Paul Khong said the Government should look at its asset register and select “big chunky office buildings occupied by the Government” to sell by tender to the investment community.

“Also, there should be a review of the registration requirements on leases over three years in order to encourage longer term lease tenures wherever appropriate.”

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...19&sec=business
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Sing ka poh no Reits tax one worr!

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Tax break for M-REITs?

PETALING JAYA: Malaysian real estate investment trusts (M-REITs) are hoping for further relaxation of the withholding tax structure for investors in the upcoming budget in order to encourage more foreign interest in the sector.

Axis REIT Managers Bhd CEO and executive director Stewart Labrooy said there was a withholding tax of 10% for individuals while in Singapore there was not.

“Also, in Singapore, the corporate tax rate is lower than Malaysia and so dividends to non-resident corporate unitholders in Singapore attract a lower tax rate (17% versus 25%),” said Labrooy, who is also the chairman of the Malaysian REIT Managers Association.

According to a UOA REIT spokesperson, the abolishment of withholding taxes for foreign investors can ensure a level playing field with Singaporean REITs.

“As it is, foreign participation in M-REITs remains low.”

Sunway REIT Management Sdn Bhd chief executive officer Datuk Jeffrey Ng said he hoped there would be further relaxation of the withholding tax structure in the individual category, in order to encourage the participation of retail investors.

Ng also urged the Government to consider offering incentives to sponsors involved in incubation of assets to be injected into REITs, such as the waiver of stamp duty for the purchase of assets for the purpose of incubation by the sponsor.

A sponsor is the entity (usually the parent company or property developer) that injects assets into the REIT portfolio.

“This will encourage the incubation of assets by the sponsor in order to provide pipeline assets to the REITs over the medium to long-term horizon, to ensure that the REITs will continue to grow.

Ng noted also that based on the prevailing withholding tax structure, Malaysia is equally competitive as Singapore for both resident or non-resident institutional investors.

“It is crucial to ensure the competitiveness of this category because REITs are primarily invested by institutional investors,” said Ng.

However, Labrooy believed that the options available to the Government to provide incentives and further reduce taxes (with a corresponding fall in government revenue) will be limited.

“I am therefore putting my wish list for Budget 2013 on hold until after the general election, and perhaps once the goods and services tax is implemented when there will be more room to provide incentives through tax breaks and increase government expenditure while balancing the budget.

“It will be painful but necessary,” said Labrooy.

Meanwhile, property consultancy CB Richard Ellis (M) Sdn Bhd executive director Paul Khong said the Government should look at its asset register and select “big chunky office buildings occupied by the Government” to sell by tender to the investment community.

“Also, there should be a review of the registration requirements on leases over three years in order to encourage longer term lease tenures wherever appropriate.”

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...19&sec=business
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Let hope there are some good news for reits holder....HUAT AH!!!
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Government will try their best to maintain their debt below 55% level, and with upcoming election, they will utilize the budget to help low/middle income group.

I think the 10% withholding tax will remain till next year, or maybe will abolish after implementation of GST. LHDN already target tax revenue target of RM14bil for next year hmm.gif


Added on September 25, 2012, 4:21 pmGovernment will try their best to maintain their debt below 55% level, and with upcoming election, they will utilize the budget to help low/middle income group.

I think the 10% withholding tax will remain till next year, or maybe will abolish after implementation of GST. LHDN already target tax revenue target of RM14bil for next year hmm.gif

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Government will try their best to maintain their debt below 55% level, and with upcoming election, they will utilize the budget to help low/middle income group.

I think the 10% withholding tax will remain till next year, or maybe will abolish after implementation of GST. LHDN already target tax revenue target of RM14bil for next year hmm.gif


Added on September 25, 2012, 4:21 pmGovernment will try their best to maintain their debt below 55% level, and with upcoming election, they will utilize the budget to help low/middle income group.

I think the 10% withholding tax will remain till next year, or maybe will abolish after implementation of GST. LHDN already target tax revenue target of RM14bil for next year hmm.gif
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Hoping no withholding tax for reit. If reduce to 5% also okay but i would prefer no withholding tax. Anyway wait for budget to see.
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Hi all,
Thanks for the great respond! I personally hope that withholding tax can be removed so that it cna give another boost for M-reit!

I have one question to ask:
QCAPITA REIT: 5000 units
Div Payout: 0.041 (0.04 Taxable and 0.001 TE)

How much dividend can I get from this?

Thanks
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QUOTE(sdas86 @ Sep 25 2012, 07:15 PM)
Hi all,
Thanks for the great respond! I personally hope that withholding tax can be removed so that it cna give another boost for M-reit!

I have one question to ask:
QCAPITA REIT: 5000 units
Div Payout: 0.041 (0.04 Taxable and 0.001 TE)

How much dividend can I get from this?

Thanks
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RM40 x 10% = RM36 + RM1 TE

For every 1000 shares, you get RM37 nett.

RM37 X 5000 share = RM185
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btw, I'm confused with the Hektar Rights Issue. I'm entitled for 625 units and I requested for extra 375. money is deducted on 13th september but until today I still haven't seen anything reflected in my CDS. is this normal?
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Sep 25 2012, 08:09 PM)
RM40 x 10% = RM36 + RM1 TE

For every 1000 shares, you get RM37 nett.

RM37 X 5000 share = RM185
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Thanks for the explanation. Now I understand how to calculate it. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(choongyouqi @ Sep 25 2012, 08:13 PM)
btw, I'm confused with the Hektar Rights Issue. I'm entitled for 625 units and I requested for extra 375. money is deducted on 13th september but until today I still haven't seen anything reflected in my CDS. is this normal?
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Check on 2 October 2012 to be in your CDS.
The Excess Rights of 375 units was paid in which way ? How did you confirm you get the Excess Rights unit ?
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Check on 2 October 2012 to be in your CDS.
The Excess Rights of 375 units was paid in which way ? How did you confirm you get the Excess Rights unit ?
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dunno. it's a nominee cds anyway. I just put money in the account and maybank settled everything for me.
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QUOTE(choongyouqi @ Sep 25 2012, 11:05 PM)
dunno. it's a nominee cds anyway. I just put money in the account and maybank settled everything for me.
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The result of the Excess Rights application is known on 24-Sep... maybe a call to Mega Corporate Services can get you some info.
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Sep 25 2012, 11:07 PM)
The result of the Excess Rights application is known on 24-Sep... maybe a call to Mega Corporate Services can get you some info.
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Anyone here bought IGB reits and at what price? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(brownykoko @ Sep 26 2012, 10:01 AM)
Anyone here bought IGB reits and at what price?  biggrin.gif
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check here: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2460815
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QUOTE(choongyouqi @ Sep 25 2012, 11:05 PM)
dunno. it's a nominee cds anyway. I just put money in the account and maybank settled everything for me.
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Is Maybank charging you any processing fee in this case ?


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newbie here. if i have enough cash to get onli 4 lot of amfirst right now.. shld i go for it? money slping in FD and savings acc all this while. still able to get return after paying off brokerage fee, tax fee?
Thanks!
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newbie here. if i have enough cash to get onli 4 lot of amfirst right now.. shld i go for it? money slping in FD and savings acc all this while. still able to get return after paying off brokerage fee, tax fee?
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based on historical distribution per unit, amfirst do have a better return comparing to FD. smile.gif
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based on historical distribution per unit, amfirst do have a better return comparing to FD.  smile.gif
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ic.. hv to look at their perspective in d future too..
have to go n open a trading account then.. thanks!
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Is Maybank charging you any processing fee in this case ?
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SMF CORPORATE ACTION BC-CHARGES RM12.00
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Budget 2013 already finish announce.
Looks like the withholding tax for REIT stays at 10% vmad.gif cry.gif
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Budget 2013 already finish announce.
Looks like the withholding tax for REIT stays at 10% vmad.gif  cry.gif
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Ya lo... No news about REITS withholding tax.

AMFIRST REITS flying up!!! rclxm9.gif
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ic.. hv to look at their perspective in d future too..
have to go n open a trading account then.. thanks!
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better look at other REIT as amfirst always announce right issues, if you dont have money, your share will be diluted.
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QUOTE(holybo @ Sep 29 2012, 10:38 PM)
better look at other REIT as amfirst always announce right issues, if you dont have money, your share will be diluted.
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Your statement is rather "misleading"
AMFIRST do not "always" issue Rights Issues... they were the first M-REIT to do so
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What the heck, applied excess Hektar of 10 000 shares. But given only 100 shares. not worth the effort!!
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QUOTE(sdas86 @ Sep 29 2012, 10:17 PM)
Ya lo... No news about REITS withholding tax.

AMFIRST REITS flying up!!!  rclxm9.gif
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when is dividend time?
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QUOTE(sheep436 @ Oct 1 2012, 02:40 PM)
What the heck, applied excess Hektar of 10 000 shares. But given only 100 shares. not worth the effort!!
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Is the result out yet ? where to check ?
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Is the result out yet ? where to check ?
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By post from Mega corporate. Can a;so check with your remiser 2morrow morning. shud be in your acc if you get it. subscribed rights and excess application
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when is dividend time?
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Next financial result will be announced around November 2012. Dividend will also be announced. rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(sheep436 @ Oct 1 2012, 06:38 PM)
By post from Mega corporate. Can a;so check with your remiser 2morrow morning. shud be in your acc if you get it. subscribed rights and excess application
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I also received the letter today ... dated 28-Sep.
Failed to get any EXCESS Rights Units vmad.gif mad.gif wasted RM2.15 for banker's cheque commission
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will hektar fly tmr?
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QUOTE(nspk @ Oct 1 2012, 11:06 PM)
will hektar fly tmr?
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Don't really care much... drool.gif drool.gif cool2.gif cool2.gif The higher the better.
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will hektar fly tmr?
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I got the hektar excess unit. BUT only 100
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I got the hektar excess unit. BUT only 100
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how many shares do you have and how many excess did you apply for?
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Why?
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QUOTE(katesamsung @ Oct 3 2012, 09:26 AM)
Bro

Now Kassets = RM2.63

Hope today facts speak louder than words........especially to our bro Y**70.....always give negative comment without any research n analysis
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You don't need to post the same thing in 2 different topic.... sign0014.gif
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So do you think Kasset now at 2.63 still worth buying? If no, why are people still buying? Thanks 

By the way, this is a public forum with freedom of talking, don't have to point fingers to anyone, just ignore if you dislike. And no need to repost at different thread la
Bro...i know this is a public forum.....freedom of talking...but dun tease or critisize without doin any research or analysis.....its like u r doin all the research and analysis for quite some time....share here and ...some one jus come in....said u r talking crap......

I suspect the cash repayment is higher than RM 2430....if not...y ppl is buying now?....someone already know the facts....

I post different thread ..scare the Y**70 cannot c.....


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how many shares do you have and how many excess did you apply for?
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I entitle for 2000 and subscribe extra 10000
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about hektar, i applied excess 1000 right issue but only been given 50 unit.
In the mail only says how many i got. but how come no cheque? where is the extra money i sent it? when will they refund to me?
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QUOTE(truth_seeker_09 @ Oct 3 2012, 05:08 PM)
about hektar, i applied excess 1000 right issue but only been given 50 unit.
In the mail only says how many i got. but how come no cheque? where is the extra money i sent it? when will they refund to me?
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Cheque should be on the way... I've not received my Excess application refund also vmad.gif mad.gif
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Congrate to all the bro ..who go thru the IGB Reits exercise thru buying KASSETS.... rclxms.gif
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STARHILL REIT hasn't been looking strong. Anyone know the reason why?
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Congrate to all the bro ..who go thru the IGB Reits exercise thru buying KASSETS.... rclxms.gif
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Bought my 1st 10 lots Kassets at RM5.26 end of last year (maybe Oct-Dec 2011). Then added on 9 lots at RM7.xx. Then 6 more lots at RM9.32.

Sold all yesterday at a cheap price (RM2.60 only..).. But never mind la.. I thought even if the IGB Reit IPO price turned up from RM1.00 to RM1.25 should going to add on the capital repayment maybe 10sen higher. Maybe i was wrong about my guess. Or maybe Kassets has a greater plan for the $$???

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Sold all yesterday at a cheap price (RM2.60 only..).. But never mind la.. I thought even if the IGB Reit IPO price turned up from RM1.00 to RM1.25 should going to add on the capital repayment maybe 10sen higher. Maybe i was wrong about my guess. Or maybe Kassets has a greater plan for the $$???
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CapitaMalls Malaysia REIT Management Sdn. Bhd., the manager of CapitaMalls Malaysia Trust ("CMMT"), wishes to announce that it will release the unaudited financial results of CMMT for the third quarter ended 30 September 2012 after 5.00 p.m. on Thursday, 18 October 2012.

This announcement is dated 4 October 2012.


who has idea of the quarter end result? any insider here? notworthy.gif
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The refund cheque for HEKTAR REIT Excess Rights application will be out after 10 October (according to my call to Mega Corporate Services)
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STARHILL REIT hasn't been looking strong. Anyone know the reason why?
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Australia hotel purchasing not completed yet?
I am seeing non-stop selling but at the same time non-stop accumulating. What a balance. tongue.gif

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The Board of Directors of Am ARA REIT Managers Sdn Bhd, the Manager for AmFIRST Real Estate Investment Trust ("AmFIRST"), is pleased to announce that AmFIRST will implement eCash Distribution for its future income distribution to its Unitholders.

This is ahead of the recent amendments to Bursa Malaysia Securities Berhad Main Market Listing Requirements ("Main LR") relating to electronic payment of cash distribution ("eCash Distribution Amendments"), which mandated all listed issuers who announce a book closing date for cash distributions on or after 2 January 2013 to comply with the eCash Distribution Amendments.

Is this eDividend ? Latest AMFIRST Dividend was via eDividend on 13-Jun-12

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Thinking about Starhill Reit. Any recommendation or any research paper on it. Personal opinion or any sifu opinion are most welcome icon_question.gif icon_question.gif

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Amfirst was in my watchlist but didn't seriously think of accumulating.

Congratz to those who grabbed it when it when it undergo right issues. Low 1.02, now 1.12.
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Oct 8 2012, 03:04 PM)
Amfirst was in my watchlist but didn't seriously think of accumulating.

Congratz to those who grabbed it when it when it undergo right issues. Low 1.02, now 1.12.
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this is very high profile when talking about right issues over here ...... u did not follow that time?
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this is very high profile when talking about right issues over here ...... u did not follow that time?
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Yea I wasn't following.

Did the company tell what is the money used for?
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Yea I wasn't following.

Did the company tell what is the money used for?
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Yea I wasn't following.

Did the company tell what is the money used for?
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Reduce borrowings
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ARREIT Dividend is now E-Dividend (transfer from Standard Chartered Bank)
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Thinking about Starhill Reit. Any recommendation or any research paper on it.  Personal opinion or any sifu opinion are most welcome  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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i think stareit is not bad with buying 3 Marriott hotel in Australia
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Oct 6 2012, 03:39 PM)
Thinking about Starhill Reit. Any recommendation or any research paper on it.  Personal opinion or any sifu opinion are most welcome  icon_question.gif  icon_question.gif
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STAREIT :

1) is a pure-play hospitality REIT,almost all property under long term lease already.Hence it's income is predictable
2) no major upside due to fixed lease rate.Only 5% increment of lease rate for every 5 years (if i'm not mistaken)
3) low gearing

So if u doesnt mind collecting around 6.9 cents pa for the next 5-10 years( if there is no further injection aka buying new properties ) and without hoping much on capital appreciation , then it is a good choice.

Dividend yield around 6-7 % and with current price it is still trading below NAV.

My point of view icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Oct 9 2012, 11:13 AM)
STAREIT :

1) is a pure-play hospitality REIT,almost all property under long term lease already.Hence it's income is predictable
2) no major upside due to fixed lease rate.Only 5% increment of lease rate for every 5 years (if i'm not mistaken)
3) low gearing

So if u doesnt mind collecting around 6.9 cents pa for the next 5-10 years( if there is no further injection aka buying new properties ) and without hoping much on capital appreciation , then it is a good choice.

Dividend yield around 6-7 % and with current price it is still trading below NAV.

My point of view  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Its local hotels (which is the majority of its current assets) has 15 years lease with slight increment of lease rate every 5 years. So stable income for sure. And I think it also has one hotel in Japan.
Injection of the 3 Marriott Hotels in Australia, if successfully by end of this year, may double its market capital size. Yield may raise by 20-30% when getting full earnings from these new assets.
fyi, JAPAN$ gain 80% and AUS$ gain 50% in past 20 years.

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Planning to get into REIT investment soon.

Hope that you can help me here. During the annual income tax return, can one claim for the 10% with-holding tax on REIT dividends ? Or is it now govy $ and thus hands off ?

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QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 9 2012, 12:11 PM)
Planning to get into REIT investment soon.

Hope that you can help me here. During the annual income tax return, can one claim for the 10% with-holding tax on REIT dividends ? Or is it now govy $ and thus hands off ?

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nope u cant claim back the 10 % withholding tax .
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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Oct 9 2012, 12:14 PM)
nope u cant claim back the 10 % withholding tax .
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What a pity.

The current 10% is until when ? Heard that it was more than 10% in the past.

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Sunway REIT buying Sunway Medical Centre for RM310mil

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...29&sec=business
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Sunway REIT buying Sunway Medical Centre for RM310mil

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...29&sec=business
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Can any valuation expert confirm my back of the envelope analysis of this share dilution exercise?

Acquisition to funded via RM310 mil of debt and equity, which will involve placement of new units in SUNREIT

Current outstanding shares: ~2700 mil
Gross revenue for FY2012: RM406 mil
Income for distribution FY2012: RM202 mil
Annualised DPU FY2012: 7.5 sen

Outstanding shares after placement of new units: ~2700mil + 227mil = 2927mil
Gross revenue for FY2013: RM409 mil (estimate by CIMB) + RM19 mil from SunMed
Income for distribution FY2013 (based on CIMB estimate): RM220 mil (estimate by CIMB) + (RM9mil from SunMed -Estimate obtained from gross revenue/income distribution ratio from FY12)
Annualised DPU FY2013 (CIMB): Estimated 7.8 sen

Income for distribution FY2013 (based on Kenanga estimate): RM204 mil (estimate by Kenanga) + (RM9mil from SunMed -Estimate obtained from gross revenue/income distribution ratio from FY12)
Annualised DPU FY2013 (Kenanga): Estimated 7.3 sen



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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Oct 9 2012, 11:13 AM)
STAREIT :

1) is a pure-play hospitality REIT,almost all property under long term lease already.Hence it's income is predictable
2) no major upside due to fixed lease rate.Only 5% increment of lease rate for every 5 years (if i'm not mistaken)
3) low gearing

So if u doesnt mind collecting around 6.9 cents pa for the next 5-10 years( if there is no further injection aka buying new properties ) and without hoping much on capital appreciation , then it is a good choice.

Dividend yield around 6-7 % and with current price it is still trading below NAV.

My point of view  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Good point you have there. Thanks for the advice. My friends also told it's a good stock. thumbup.gif rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 9 2012, 11:53 AM)
Its local hotels (which is the majority of its current assets) has 15 years lease with slight increment of lease rate every 5 years. So stable income for sure. And I think it also has one hotel in Japan.
Injection of the 3 Marriott Hotels in Australia, if successfully by end of this year, may double its market capital size. Yield may raise by 20-30% when getting full earnings from these new assets.
fyi, JAPAN$ gain 80% and AUS$ gain 50% in past 20 years.

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high foreign exposure, more income thumbup.gif rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Oct 9 2012, 04:38 PM)
Good point you have there. Thanks for the advice. My friends also told it's a good stock.  thumbup.gif  rclxms.gif


Added on October 9, 2012, 4:40 pm

high foreign exposure, more income  thumbup.gif  rclxms.gif
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foreign currency risks also geh ....... now AUD$ is higher then maybe later drop earning also drops too ....... the valuation of properties also will drop if converted to RM ....... whistling.gif anyway i still like Stareit .... thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Oct 9 2012, 11:13 AM)
STAREIT :

1) is a pure-play hospitality REIT,almost all property under long term lease already.Hence it's income is predictable
2) no major upside due to fixed lease rate.Only 5% increment of lease rate for every 5 years (if i'm not mistaken)
3) low gearing

So if u doesnt mind collecting around 6.9 cents pa for the next 5-10 years( if there is no further injection aka buying new properties ) and without hoping much on capital appreciation , then it is a good choice.

Dividend yield around 6-7 % and with current price it is still trading below NAV.

My point of view  icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Oct 9 2012, 08:25 PM)
Tarak wo. Mainly accumulating IGB Reits only.
IGB Reits yield has nothing to shout about lo.
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Dilemma now.. Stareit or IGBreit hmm.gif Or should wait again & again cos of GE? rclxub.gif

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Dilemma now.. Stareit or IGBreit  hmm.gif Or should wait again & again cos of GE?  rclxub.gif
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Since you are having dilemma, why don't you just split your capital into half and buy both?
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Wow. REITS really ticking upwards the past few days with money being moved in these defensive stocks. I would second H86 suggestions to diversify even within this sector to reduce risks even further. In my opinion, another factor which boosts the defensive properties of this sector is that during a downturn, the government will likely reduce interest rates. This makes REITS more attractive which should reduce the overall selling pressure in the market during the downturn.
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Dilemma now.. Stareit or IGBreit  hmm.gif Or should wait again & again cos of GE?  rclxub.gif
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My strategy is diversification. Just get some of every reits..
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Understand that REIT have to declare at least 90% of their profit as dividends.

Are there any REIT which declare more than 90% as divdend ? If so, which REIT ? Consistently or just once off at > 90% ?

Thanks.
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 10 2012, 09:10 AM)
Understand that REIT have to declare at least 90% of their profit as dividends.

Are there any REIT which declare more than 90% as divdend ? If so, which REIT ? Consistently or just once off at > 90% ?

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90% and 92% don't make a lot of difference lah...

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QUOTE(CP88 @ Oct 9 2012, 09:50 PM)
Dilemma now.. Stareit or IGBreit  hmm.gif Or should wait again & again cos of GE?  rclxub.gif
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Lemme adding more dilemmas for you laugh.gif

Sunreit is on my list, too.Yesterday announced injection of Sunway Medical Center into the Reits profile. Haiyo why I no buy when it was 1.4x cry.gif
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Oct 10 2012, 09:13 AM)
Lemme adding more dilemmas for you laugh.gif

Sunreit is on my list, too.Yesterday announced injection of Sunway Medical Center into the Reits profile. Haiyo why I no buy when it was 1.4x  cry.gif
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2 months old news biggrin.gif

Sunway REIT in acquisition mode

''Investor relations manager Crystal Teh said some of the properties it was looking at included two universities, namely Sunway University and Monash University, Sunway Campus, Sunway Giza Shopping Mall and Sunway Medical Centre.''
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Sunway REIT buys SunMed for RM310mil, portfolio to reach 12 properties

Wednesday October 10, 2012

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Oct 10 2012, 09:12 AM)
90% and 92% don't make a lot of difference lah...
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river.sand,

Thanks.

Which REIT ? Any extra dividends will help.

Where can I find this infor on % of profits being declared as dividends ? In annual report ?

Cheerio.
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Sunway REIT buys SunMed for RM310mil, portfolio to reach 12 properties

Wednesday October 10, 2012

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i meant my link posted above is 2 months old news.. smile.gif

Their property portfolio really diversify..Retail mall , hospitality , office , medical and perhaps education in the near future? rclxms.gif

too bad didnt grab some when the price hovering around 1.3 x -1.4x
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Oct 10 2012, 09:38 AM)
river.sand,

Thanks.

Which REIT ? Any extra dividends will help.

Where can I find this infor on % of profits being declared as dividends ? In annual report ?

Cheerio.
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Sorry, can't help. But we can get this info in quarterly reports.
But I am more interested in 'distribution yield' than 'distribution payout'. If a REIT pays out 100% of its earning, it has no room for error...
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Sunway REIT - Growing Its Earnings Base
Author: kltrader | Publish date: Wed, 10 Oct 09:36

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New assets improve earnings resilience. While SunREIT’s latest acquisition adds just 0.5-1.4% to its FY6/13-15 EPU after a larger unit base from a proposed private placement to fund the acquisition, we are positive on the deal as an stapled 10-year master lease agreement with annual rental step-up of 3.5% will improve its earnings resilience. We raise our FY6/13-15 net profit forecasts by 4.4-9.1%. Our revised DCFbased TP is MYR1.54 (+1 sen).
Maintain HOLD.

Buys a medical centre. SunREIT has entered into a conditional SPA with Sunway Medical Centre Bhd (SMCB; 92%-owned by Sunway Bhd) to acquire the land, building and equipment of Sunway Medical Centre (SunMed) at its market value of MYR310m, in cash. SunREIT has also signed a 10-year master lease agreement with SMCB for the leasing of SunMed, incorporating annual rental increases of 3.5%.

Better earnings stability. The triple net property yield of 6.1% is higher than SunREIT’s current trading yield of 5%, making the acquisition yield-accretive. While healthcare assets may not experience the double-digit rental growth of retail assets, they provide relatively stable and steady income and require minimal capex. WALE will improve to 2.8 years (from 2.3 years).

Fund raising from equity market. SunREIT’s gearing is expected to rise to 0.38x from 0.33x as at Jun 2012.To retain its financial flexibility, it has proposed to undertake a private placement to raise gross proceeds of up to MYR320m. Assuming an issue price of MYR1.47/unit (a 5% discount to current price), 217.3m new units will be issued (8% of existing number of units). SunREIT’s gearing would likely be down to 0.31x following the placement, providing room for future acquisitions.

Earnings adjustments. We raise our FY6/13-14 net profit forecasts by 4.4-9.1%to factor in the latest acquisition and the new unit placement. However, our DPU forecasts only rise by 0.2-1% due to the larger unit base. This translates into a CY13 dividend yield of 5.1% (gross) vs.4.9% at other large cap retail REITs. The acquisition will cover the loss of rental income from Sunway Putra Mall due to its closure for refurbishment works commencing end-2012/early 2013.

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Bought my first batch of SUNReit. thumbup.gif

Attached is the Sunreit research paper back in 2010, written by Maybank. That time its properties profile has 8 assets only, today's Star headline give me a knock on the head, SunReit has 12 assets under its Reits arm now. I'm impressed.

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Table 7: SunCity’s matured properties currently not in SunREIT
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Lemme adding more dilemmas for you laugh.gif

Sunreit is on my list, too.Yesterday announced injection of Sunway Medical Center into the Reits profile. Haiyo why I no buy when it was 1.4x  cry.gif
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Panajie, your so bad. add more dilemma. cry.gif

But I already got Sunreit since IPO. tongue.gif . So dunno to top up or not hmm.gif


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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Oct 10 2012, 11:10 AM)
Bought my first batch of SUNReit.  thumbup.gif 

Attached is the Sunreit research paper back in 2010, written by Maybank. That time its properties profile has 8 assets only, today's Star headline give me a knock on the head, SunReit has 12 assets under its Reits arm now. I'm impressed.

More assets = Rentals = My Dividends!
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& thanks for the research. notworthy.gif

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But I already got Sunreit since IPO.  tongue.gif . So dunno to top up or not hmm.gif
Wow since IPO, it was listed in June 2010, at 98c or so, right!

You are so brilliant! thumbup.gif
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Wow since IPO, it was listed in June 2010, at 98c or so, right!

You are so brilliant!  thumbup.gif
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I think that's the only IPO I obtained. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Oct 10 2012, 11:10 AM)
Bought my first batch of SUNReit.  thumbup.gif 

Attached is the Sunreit research paper back in 2010, written by Maybank. That time its properties profile has 8 assets only, today's Star headline give me a knock on the head, SunReit has 12 assets under its Reits arm now. I'm impressed.

More assets = Rentals = My Dividends!
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Welcome gold finger aboard! rclxms.gif
I've been accumulating this sun 1.2x until 1.4x. Still got room to eat more. icon_idea.gif

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Welcome gold finger aboard!  rclxms.gif
I've been accumulating this sun 1.2x until 1.4x. Still got room to eat more.  icon_idea.gif
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Hoho Hi-there fellow captains! wave.gif

Yes, definitely has room to grow. nod.gif

Near Term:
Sunway Putra Mall which is under refurbishment exercise will be ready by end of 2012/early 2013. I believe so does this newly acquired SunMed.

Potential:
Sunway Hotel, Sunway Lagoon Theme Park, Monash University, Sunway University, Sunway Giza Shopping Centre and Sunway Medical Centre.

Future:
Menara Sunway's The Pinnacle (Office with 1000 parkings), Sunway Pyramid 3 (4 Star Hotel), Sunway Velocity (Shopping mall, completed in 2015-2016)

Extra:
Company is also focusing on 3rd party acquisitions (retail and mixed use segments).
Targeting growth cities such as the Klang Valley, Johor, Penang and even Sabah.

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Oct 10 2012, 02:27 PM)
Hoho Hi-there fellow captains! wave.gif

Yes, definitely has room to grow.  nod.gif

Near Term:
Sunway Putra Mall which is under refurbishment exercise will be ready by end of 2012/early 2013. I believe so does this newly acquired SunMed.

Potential:
Sunway Hotel, Sunway Lagoon Theme Park, Monash University, Sunway University, Sunway Giza Shopping Centre and Sunway Medical Centre.

Future:
Menara Sunway's The Pinnacle (Office with 1000 parkings), Sunway Pyramid 3 (4 Star Hotel), Sunway Velocity (Shopping mall, completed in 2015-2016)

Extra:
Company is also focusing on 3rd party acquisitions (retail and mixed use segments).
Targeting growth cities such as the Klang Valley, Johor, Penang and even Sabah.
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no captain lah, small bee only. laugh.gif

correction: Sunway Putra Mall's refurbishment will START by end of 2012/early 2013. It should take 15-18 month to complete. Therefore, the big boost of yield can only happen in 2015.
Now, income will be less. So the yield coming from new acquisitions(I think few more coming according to the management's words and the 20% fund size increment proposal) and rental raise on Pyramid Mall may neutralize the shortage of income coming from Putra Mall.
They only mention private placement at the moment, no mention RI, so you should be happy. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 10 2012, 05:20 PM)
no captain lah, small bee only.  laugh.gif

correction: Sunway Putra Mall's refurbishment will START by end of 2012/early 2013. It should take 15-18 month to complete. Therefore, the big boost of yield can only happen in 2015.
Now, income will be less. So the yield coming from new acquisitions(I think few more coming according to the management's words and the 20% fund size increment proposal) and rental raise on Pyramid Mall may neutralize the shortage of income coming from Putra Mall.
They only mention private placement at the moment, no mention RI, so you should be happy.  biggrin.gif
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Oh Thank you for pointing out, my bad blush.gif

Read from Nanyang newspaper,

"黄中立指出,他们与双威医药中心业者签署“10+10”主要租赁协议,确定首12个月有1900万令吉年租进账,未来9年是每年增加3.5%租金。"

Yokie how much is 1900万令吉年租? blush.gif


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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Oct 10 2012, 05:36 PM)
Oh Thank you for pointing out, my bad  blush.gif

Read from Nanyang newspaper,

"黄中立指出,他们与双威医药中心业者签署“10+10”主要租赁协议,确定首12个月有1900万令吉年租进账,未来9年是每年增加3.5%租金。"

Yokie how much is 1900万令吉年租?  blush.gif
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rental income is 19,000,000,
purchasing cost is 310,000,000
so yield is 19/310 = 6.13%, not bad, higher than its current yield of 5.1%. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 10 2012, 11:12 PM)
rental income is 19,000,000,
purchasing cost is 310,000,000
so yield is 19/310 = 6.13%, not bad, higher than its current yield of 5.1%.  thumbup.gif
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Thanks for the calculations! wub.gif

Wow which means SunMed Hospital rental per month is RM1,583,333.33!

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Why can't the government abolish the withholding tax on REIT like other countries.
Suddenly fall in love with REIT but don't like the the withholding tax vmad.gif vmad.gif
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Why can't the government abolish the withholding tax on REIT like other countries.
Suddenly fall in love with REIT but don't like the the withholding tax  vmad.gif  vmad.gif
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they cannot find others tax to replace this mah ....... unless GST inforce then may got hope ...... Gov always cut here increase there so at the end all same, only different group of income earners will change from here and there .... IMHO only .... nod.gif
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What's means by withholding tax?
the withholding tax cannot claim from income tax right ?


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they cannot find others tax to replace this mah ....... unless GST inforce then may got hope ...... Gov always cut here increase there so at the end all same, only different group of income earners will change from here and there .... IMHO only ....  nod.gif
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What's means by withholding tax?
the withholding tax cannot claim from income tax right ?
dunno what mean.
Just know we all need to pay this 10% withholding tax for any Malaysia Reit dividend. And it cannot be claimed back even if you earn RM1/month. biggrin.gif

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dunno what mean.
Just know we all need to pay this 10% withholding tax for any Malaysia Reit dividend. And it cannot be claimed back even if you earn RM1/month.  biggrin.gif
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Starhill REIT got aproval from Bank Negara (Controller of Foreign Exchange Administration Dept) for the remittances in respect of the Proposed Acquisition (MARRIOTT HOTELS - AUD 415,000,000)

Maybe end of the month can get the Circular/Notice for EGM brows.gif

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Oct 16 2012, 06:20 PM)
Starhill REIT got aproval from Bank Negara (Controller of Foreign Exchange Administration Dept) for the remittances in respect of the Proposed Acquisition (MARRIOTT HOTELS - AUD 415,000,000)

Maybe end of the month can get the Circular/Notice for EGM  brows.gif
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How about 1.25 by year end? My wet dream. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 16 2012, 07:51 PM)
Accumulated quite enough already in past few weeks at 1.03-1.04.  thumbup.gif
How about 1.25 by year end? My wet dream.  tongue.gif
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IGBReits research paper by Maybank, 39 pages.


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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Oct 17 2012, 09:53 AM)
IGBReits research paper by Maybank, 39 pages.
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I want to post the CIMB paper but once again, it's too large and cannot attach here! Why limit so low leh!  doh.gif
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How big is your CIMB paper?
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I want to post the CIMB paper but once again, it's too large and cannot attach here! Why limit so low leh!  doh.gif
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I think U can use NitroPDF (freeware) to resample the PDF - to "web view only", not "print" quality.
This should reduce the size.
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 16 2012, 07:51 PM)
Accumulated quite enough already in past few weeks at 1.03-1.04.  thumbup.gif
How about 1.25 by year end? My wet dream.  tongue.gif
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Bought some for long term thumbup.gif
I think maybe could reach 1.25. It depend on the Marriott Hotels Proposed Acquisition. Now you could see the movement not so much, around few cents only. Hoping after completed the acquisition, Starhill reit could fly high thumbup.gif
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hi all REIT sifu... few months back started looking into REIT. a friend of mine who is very experienced in REIT saying coming election might bring price down a little and make it a better bargain. further more, many of the REITs are at all time high price. any thought from u guy?

(question from someone never buy REIT before)
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QUOTE(property101 @ Oct 18 2012, 02:23 PM)
hi all REIT sifu... few months back started looking into REIT. a friend of mine who is very experienced in REIT saying coming election might bring price down a little and make it a better bargain. further more, many of the REITs are at all time high price. any thought from u guy?

(question from someone never buy REIT before)
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Agree that Reit price is not cheap nowadays, especially retail mall reits, the yield is just OK (averagely at 4-5% only).

When market is in uncertainty especially election time, not only Reits price will be affected, majority of the counters do.

Buying reits is all about yield. The lower the price, the higher the yield%.


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QUOTE(property101 @ Oct 18 2012, 02:23 PM)
hi all REIT sifu... few months back started looking into REIT. a friend of mine who is very experienced in REIT saying coming election might bring price down a little and make it a better bargain. further more, many of the REITs are at all time high price. any thought from u guy?

(question from someone never buy REIT before)
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The election issue is overly exaggerated.

We do not know when is the election, how is the election outcome will be.

The one to determine whether want to invest or not, is about personal view on the pricing of the reit, aka whether it is worth or not to invest at current level.

We don't have crystal ball to predict whether the price will drop or not when election time, it is uncontrollable factor, the only controllable factor by one is whether to buy or not to buy at current level or now.
Never predict the market will fall or rise.
If view pricing is too high, just stay away, and wait.
If view pricing is ok, then justify by oneself whether to enter now or not.

Never think of tomorrow price will rise or drop, then use it to justify what to do now. It is not investing, but more like betting already.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 18 2012, 03:24 PM)
The election issue is overly exaggerated.

We do not know when is the election, how is the election outcome will be.

The one to determine whether want to invest or not, is about personal view on the pricing of the reit, aka whether it is worth or not to invest at current level.

We don't have crystal ball to predict whether the price will drop or not when election time, it is uncontrollable factor, the only controllable factor by one is whether to buy or not to buy at current level or now.
Never predict the market will fall or rise.
If view pricing is too high, just stay away, and wait.
If view pricing is ok, then justify by oneself whether to enter now or not.

Never think of tomorrow price will rise or drop, then use it to justify what to do now. It is not investing, but more like betting already.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 18 2012, 03:24 PM)
The election issue is overly exaggerated.

We do not know when is the election, how is the election outcome will be.

The one to determine whether want to invest or not, is about personal view on the pricing of the reit, aka whether it is worth or not to invest at current level.

We don't have crystal ball to predict whether the price will drop or not when election time, it is uncontrollable factor, the only controllable factor by one is whether to buy or not to buy at current level or now.
Never predict the market will fall or rise.
If view pricing is too high, just stay away, and wait.
If view pricing is ok, then justify by oneself whether to enter now or not.

Never think of tomorrow price will rise or drop, then use it to justify what to do now. It is not investing, but more like betting already.
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If anyone can predict he will be filthy rich.
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Never think of tomorrow price will rise or drop, then use it to justify what to do now. It is not investing, but more like betting already.
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I want to post the CIMB paper but once again, it's too large and cannot attach here! Why limit so low leh!  doh.gif
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Due to file size is > 2mb

Here's the external link (valid for 20 days only)

http://www.fileconvoy.com/dfl.php?id=g4123...bc81f41b14961c2

Thanks again to Yokie for sharing it!

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thanks for the input. another noob question, i have opened CDS with maybank, the fee is 0.1% or RM8 minimum
http://www.maybank2u.com.my/mbb_info/m2u/p.../PRO-Promotions

obviously this fee is chargeable on me when i'm buying the shares. how about when i sell? do i need to pay this transaction fee also?

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QUOTE(property101 @ Oct 19 2012, 12:15 AM)
thanks for the input. another noob question, i have opened CDS with maybank, the fee is 0.1% or RM8 minimum
http://www.maybank2u.com.my/mbb_info/m2u/p.../PRO-Promotions

obviously this fee is chargeable on me when i'm buying the shares. how about when i sell? do i need to pay this transaction fee also?
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I'm a newbie to REIT investment.

Can i invest in any REIT?

What is the minimum investment for this investment?

Please advice.

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Hai Sifus,

I'm a newbie to REIT investment.

Can i invest in any REIT?

What is the minimum investment for this investment?

Please advice.

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So less?

I can make investment monthly?

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Bro, any amount means i can invest RM100 also?

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Bro, any amount means i can invest RM100 also?

So less?

I can make investment monthly?

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actually RM93 oso can. but its not wise to make investment every month or everyday, cos the comission and whatever fee u will be paying to the broker bank will be quite high. so better to save up say, RM5000, then one shot go into 1 counter. in that way, u will save the commision fee instead of paying if every month/day. smile.gif
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So currently which REIT is performing well?

The income is still taxable?

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The Dividend you receive do not need to pay further taxes on it... cos it's already taxed at 10%
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Can you recommend any good REIT?

What about AXIS, Sunway and IGB REIT?

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Can you recommend any good REIT?

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IGBreit and sunreit only has dividend yield of 4.x%, while axreit has 5.x%
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What about AXIS, Sunway and IGB REIT?

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Axis is Malaysia REIT Golden Stock (also highest)

You should diversified by choosing multiple REIT in multiple sectors.
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Starhill Reit up today thumbup.gif

Some good news today after a big disappointment on Astro smile.gif
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Starhill Reit up today  thumbup.gif

Some good news today after a big disappointment on Astro  smile.gif
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Is there any news on Starhill Reit? hmm.gif I help to push it up today. flex.gif
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Is there any news on Starhill Reit? hmm.gif I help to push it up today. flex.gif
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there's No news today. what I mean was stareit make me happy today because it went up higher thumbup.gif
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Maybe you can thanks me. brows.gif I have been accumulating and help push it up.
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QUOTE(umapathy @ Oct 19 2012, 08:07 AM)
Hai Sifus,

I'm a newbie to REIT investment.

Can i invest in any REIT?

What is the minimum investment for this investment?

Please advice.

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You could visit this website => http://mreit.reitdata.com/

All about Malaysian Reit, Their Dividend yield & NAV

This could give you some inside about malaysian reit

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Is IGB Reit @ RM1.37 a good buy right now?
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Thanks for buying  smile.gif
Maybe next week you could buy more so can make me more happier  brows.gif
Still in accumulation mode, will buy more next week. Supply are getting less and it is easy to push price up.
Got to buy in slowly. smile.gif

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Furthermore insurance is definately not a type of investment - it may consist of investment link products but definately not an investment scheme.
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QUOTE(justanovice @ Oct 21 2012, 06:16 PM)
Just to point out, it doesn't mean whoever want to do monthly investment, unit trust or insurance is the option and not share market.
Furthermore insurance is definately not a type of investment - it may consist of investment link products but definately not an investment scheme.
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If you want to do monthly investment, go check out Unit Trust/Insurance thread
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insurance is not investment, insurance is buying a product aka a cost, look at the year 1-6 cash values, its marginal compared to the premium you paid, eg paid premium $100, tomorrow withdraw $5, $95 paid for expenses.

UT is an investment, put in $100, tomorrow withdraw $94.5 assuming prices remain same. $5.5 for service charge.

I do monthly savings in REITS and loving it thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(lunchtime @ Oct 23 2012, 09:18 AM)
insurance is not investment, insurance is buying a product aka a cost, look at the year 1-6 cash values, its marginal compared to the premium you paid, eg paid premium $100, tomorrow withdraw $5, $95 paid for expenses. 

UT is an investment, put in $100, tomorrow withdraw $94.5 assuming prices remain same. $5.5 for service charge.

I do monthly savings in REITS and loving it  thumbup.gif
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Do you mind to share how you do that? nod.gif

You consistently accumulate same reits or different?
Only Reits & not other dividend stock?
You buy once a month after payday?
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hektar keep on going higher and higher even though it had already given tow dividends last two months.
Any one knows why? sell or buy or hold?
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something wrong with CMMT, sudden shot up by 13sen.any good news announced or some speculative play?
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Sunway REIT targets RM7b asset size in five years.
http://www.theedgemalaysia.com/business-ne...five-years.html

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I have not seen much discussion lately on REITs. Recently, we see few reports coming out with Neutral outlook on the industry, so I would like to find out what is everybody planning with their holdings.

At the moment I am still holding on to my ATRIUM and my newly enlarged AMFIRST after the recent rights issue. I am considering to continue my hunt for undervalued REITs after my previous unloading of my beloved AXREIT.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Oct 31 2012, 02:31 AM)
I have not seen much discussion lately on REITs. Recently, we see few reports coming out with Neutral outlook on the industry, so I would like to find out what is everybody planning with their holdings.

At the moment I am still holding on to my ATRIUM and my newly enlarged AMFIRST after the recent rights issue. I am considering to continue my hunt for undervalued REITs after my previous unloading of my beloved AXREIT.
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But Axreit is forever undervalued. tongue.gif

Those reports mainly judge by yield compression. They suggest to switch from defensive to aggressive(or hunt for undervalued stocks such as construction stocks etc.) especially after GE.
So it's pretty much like this:
If we bullish, we sell reits or high dividend currently better valued stocks and buy badly performed stocks such as construction and properties stock
If we bearish or still cautious, stay defensive and ignore those reports.
if we super bearish, sell everything.

Market seems forever ambiguous and frustrating, isn't it? Since I started this game 2.5 years ago. biggrin.gif

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i buy base one dividend yield vs FD rate. Dividend x2 of FD i buy drop below i sell change to REIT that can give me x2 of FD. Capital appreciate = bonus tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Oct 31 2012, 02:31 AM)
I have not seen much discussion lately on REITs. Recently, we see few reports coming out with Neutral outlook on the industry, so I would like to find out what is everybody planning with their holdings.

At the moment I am still holding on to my ATRIUM and my newly enlarged AMFIRST after the recent rights issue. I am considering to continue my hunt for undervalued REITs after my previous unloading of my beloved AXREIT.
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IGBreit overshadow all others reit ..... there got lots of discussion ... smile.gif
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 31 2012, 02:55 AM)
But Axreit is forever undervalued.  tongue.gif

Those reports mainly judge by yield compression. They suggest to switch from defensive to aggressive(or hunt for undervalued stocks such as construction stocks etc.) especially after GE.
So it's pretty much like this:
If we bullish, we sell reits or high dividend currently better valued stocks and buy badly performed stocks such as construction and properties stock
If we bearish or still cautious, stay defensive and ignore those reports.
if we super bearish, sell everything.

Market seems forever ambiguous and frustrating, isn't it? Since I started this game 2.5 years ago.  biggrin.gif
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yok70,

No, I do not find the market frustrating, because I'm still earning my dividends regardless. To me, I am still shopping around for counters with room to grow. From my observation, I noticed that at the moment QCAPITA has the highest DY among its peers. I am wondering if it still has room for expansion, since I don't follow it.

QUOTE(cwhong @ Oct 31 2012, 10:38 AM)
IGBreit overshadow all others reit ..... there got lots of discussion ... smile.gif
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cwhong,

I actually do not find anything fascinating about IGBREIT as I do not like Midvalley and Gardens. I also feel that the management priced it at its full value already, and they have very limited room for growth because they are more focused on Midvalley City. Unlike AXREIT, they can expand their portfolio as far as Penang or Johor for that matter which IGB can't. That is why AXREIT has the ability to rise above the rest. It has the edge.
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Tower Reits hit 1.49 before lunchtime. Wonder what' s the closing price today.
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Tower Reits hit 1.49 before lunchtime. Wonder what' s the closing price today.
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Oct 31 2012, 02:31 AM)
I have not seen much discussion lately on REITs. Recently, we see few reports coming out with Neutral outlook on the industry, so I would like to find out what is everybody planning with their holdings.

At the moment I am still holding on to my ATRIUM and my newly enlarged AMFIRST after the recent rights issue. I am considering to continue my hunt for undervalued REITs after my previous unloading of my beloved AXREIT.
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Unless there are dividend stock that can give 5-6% sustainable and consistently, I do not see one need to sell reit (apart from need the cash issue), unless one is predicting property market crashing in the near term, which is different story a bit already.
(which I personally do not see it has high chance, a slow and correction phase of property market is likely the scenario).

Frankly speaking I do not see "undervalued" reit. Yield is pushing down lower and lower. While most reit are trading at premium to its NAV.
I only can see undervalued property stock around.


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QUOTE(Jordy @ Oct 31 2012, 11:33 AM)
yok70,

No, I do not find the market frustrating, because I'm still earning my dividends regardless. To me, I am still shopping around for counters with room to grow. From my observation, I noticed that at the moment QCAPITA has the highest DY among its peers. I am wondering if it still has room for expansion, since I don't follow it.
cwhong,

I actually do not find anything fascinating about IGBREIT as I do not like Midvalley and Gardens. I also feel that the management priced it at its full value already, and they have very limited room for growth because they are more focused on Midvalley City. Unlike AXREIT, they can expand their portfolio as far as Penang or Johor for that matter which IGB can't. That is why AXREIT has the ability to rise above the rest. It has the edge.
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Yes, that's nothing to shout about of IGBreit, as net yield is 4.x% which is not that attractive.
But it is one of reit that do not to worry much about lease issue, while there is always good chance for rental revision to the upside, as the mall space is highly demanded and always fully occupied.

Other like office space, industrial, there is always risk of not able to get tenants especially if economy slowdown time, but retail reit is less affected as compared to office, industrial.

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 31 2012, 02:55 AM)
Those reports mainly judge by yield compression. They suggest to switch from defensive to aggressive(or hunt for undervalued stocks such as construction stocks etc.) especially after GE.
So it's pretty much like this:
If we bullish, we sell reits or high dividend currently better valued stocks and buy badly performed stocks such as construction and properties stock
If we bearish or still cautious, stay defensive and ignore those reports.
if we super bearish, sell everything.

Market seems forever ambiguous and frustrating, isn't it? Since I started this game 2.5 years ago.  biggrin.gif
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Frankly speaking, personally I do not positive on construction stock.
As construction cost may easily rise if inflation is expecting to be still on the upside, which can cause cost over-run for project, although it is not the issue at the moment. But inflation is not expecting to be tamed down with massive QE around.

While gov development expenditure may cut further in the future in order to cut the budget deficit.

In order for gov to cut budget deficit, only has several way.
1. Increase income through taxes, like GST, which is not expecting soon.
2. Cut spending, operational expenditure like paying wages to civil servant, cannot be cut one, so left with development expenditure only.

If really positive about stock, economy or market, I would rather go for property stock instead of construction.
Just my 2 cents.
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To all of you REIT experts here, I have a question that I hope you all can help me with:

Why should I buy lower-yielding REITs (Pavilion, Sunway, CMMT, IGB) compared to higher-yielding REITs?

One reason I can think of is what Cheeroy said above:


QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 31 2012, 02:58 PM)

But it is one of reit that do not to worry much about lease issue, while there is always good chance for rental revision to the upside, as the mall space is highly demanded and always fully occupied.

Other like office space, industrial, there is always risk of not able to get tenants especially if economy slowdown time, but retail reit is less affected as compared to office, industrial.
Can someone else enlighten me on other reasons? I'm going to make a purchase soon and will probably split my money between the top yielding ones unless there's a strong reason not to

Thanks for your help
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Oct 31 2012, 11:33 AM)
yok70,

No, I do not find the market frustrating, because I'm still earning my dividends regardless. To me, I am still shopping around for counters with room to grow. From my observation, I noticed that at the moment QCAPITA has the highest DY among its peers. I am wondering if it still has room for expansion, since I don't follow it.
Office space oversupply is the key risk and worry for office REIT right now. Therefore valuation is lower and yield becomes higher. nod.gif

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Oct 31 2012, 11:33 AM)
yok70,

No, I do not find the market frustrating, because I'm still earning my dividends regardless. To me, I am still shopping around for counters with room to grow. From my observation, I noticed that at the moment QCAPITA has the highest DY among its peers. I am wondering if it still has room for expansion, since I don't follow it.
cwhong,

I actually do not find anything fascinating about IGBREIT as I do not like Midvalley and Gardens. I also feel that the management priced it at its full value already, and they have very limited room for growth because they are more focused on Midvalley City. Unlike AXREIT, they can expand their portfolio as far as Penang or Johor for that matter which IGB can't. That is why AXREIT has the ability to rise above the rest. It has the edge.
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cause my wife like to hang around at midvalley ..... so thinking to load some as the yields was not attractive enough for me to go in bigger position .... i'm holding arreit and amreit as well .... heard u are loading too for the latter ...... icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Desvaro @ Oct 31 2012, 03:36 PM)
To all of you REIT experts here, I have a question that I hope you all can help me with:

Why should I buy lower-yielding REITs (Pavilion, Sunway, CMMT, IGB) compared to higher-yielding REITs?

One reason I can think of is what Cheeroy said above:
Can someone else enlighten me on other reasons? I'm going to make a purchase soon and will probably split my money between the top yielding ones unless there's a strong reason not to

Thanks for your help
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Look nomore than SREITs for high yields........ no withholding tax over there.


http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2504121

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Look nomore than SREITs for high yields........ no withholding tax over there.
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why not invite him to sg reits thread? ask him read that first to compared him/herself !! nod.gif
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why not invite him to sg reits thread? ask him read that first to compared him/herself !! nod.gif
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QUOTE(Desvaro @ Oct 31 2012, 03:36 PM)
To all of you REIT experts here, I have a question that I hope you all can help me with:

Why should I buy lower-yielding REITs (Pavilion, Sunway, CMMT, IGB) compared to higher-yielding REITs?

One reason I can think of is what Cheeroy said above:
Can someone else enlighten me on other reasons? I'm going to make a purchase soon and will probably split my money between the top yielding ones unless there's a strong reason not to

Thanks for your help
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Another reason
1. Those having higher liquidity, so suit for big players, whereby price generally won't swing too big in either way, even with big volume.

That's why you see those reit having large volume, and low in yield, because many fund managers are eager to own it, as part of portfolio that can drive in fixed income for them.
This is particularly useful investment for insurance fund manager, whereby they need to look for fixed income investment for their insurance performance.


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QUOTE(yok70 @ Oct 31 2012, 03:56 PM)
Office space oversupply is the key risk and worry for office REIT right now. Therefore valuation is lower and yield becomes higher.  nod.gif
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But the Committed Occupancy of QCT properties is 99 % which is almost fully occupied.Hence i think office space oversupply wont affect QCT much.Furthermore those international company like DHL , IBM , BMW they wont move out in the near future as in setting up an office/commercial building is not an easy task.Quality tenant base plays an important role here.As long as there's tenants , property income is predictable.

Another reason peoples are interested in QCT is because of TESCO penang which located at prime location ( Jelutong Expressway ) biggrin.gif

And if u've been reading their financial reports or recent annoucement , they do donate to various organization regularly.


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QUOTE(Desvaro @ Oct 31 2012, 03:36 PM)
To all of you REIT experts here, I have a question that I hope you all can help me with:

Why should I buy lower-yielding REITs (Pavilion, Sunway, CMMT, IGB) compared to higher-yielding REITs?

One reason I can think of is what Cheeroy said above:
Can someone else enlighten me on other reasons? I'm going to make a purchase soon and will probably split my money between the top yielding ones unless there's a strong reason not to

Thanks for your help
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Not sifu here yar, just chipping in a thought.

Reasons:
a. Sub-asset class allocation (similar idea to Asset Allocation reason, but within a specific asset class).
ie. when holding say too much plantation & office REITs, one may want exposure to retail / hospitality / healthcare.

b. As a possible capital-growth play more than DY yield play.

Just a thought notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Oct 31 2012, 05:21 PM)
Not sifu here yar, just chipping in a thought.

Reasons:
a. Sub-asset class allocation (similar idea to Asset Allocation reason, but within a specific asset class).
ie. when holding say too much plantation & office REITs, one may want exposure to retail / hospitality / healthcare.

b. As a possible capital-growth play more than DY yield play.

Just a thought  notworthy.gif
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Agreed with point b.
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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Oct 31 2012, 04:57 PM)
But the Committed Occupancy of QCT properties is 99 % which is almost fully occupied.Hence i think office space oversupply wont affect QCT much.Furthermore those international company like DHL , IBM , BMW they wont move out in the near future as in setting up an office/commercial building is not an easy task.Quality tenant base plays an important role here.As long as there's tenants , property income is predictable.

Another reason peoples are interested in QCT is because of TESCO penang which located at prime location ( Jelutong Expressway )  biggrin.gif

And if u've been reading their financial reports or recent annoucement , they do donate to various organization regularly.
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True. Qcap has a great management team that gives good performance for years. But the management also pointed out last year that they will be very careful on new acquisition exercise because of oversupply risk. Anyway, aggressive expansion also may create high risk. This all depends on how well the management handles it. laugh.gif
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Starhill reit not moving much as I hope to.

closing price maintain RM 1.09 for few days.

when will it fly kaw2 hmm.gif

Still below NAV unlike other "Famous" Reits


http://mreit.reitdata.com/

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Nov 3 2012, 12:15 AM)
Starhill reit not moving much as I hope to.

closing price maintain RM 1.09 for few days.

when will it fly kaw2  hmm.gif

Still below NAV unlike other "Famous" Reits
http://mreit.reitdata.com/
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Me too, waiting. But I have more patient than you. I'm no rush, I can wait.
The acquisition of Australia's hotels is not completed yet. I bet price will only surge after the announcement of that.
No intention to sell it anyway until yield reaching below 6% then only consider to sell some off. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Nov 3 2012, 06:58 AM)
Me too, waiting. But I have more patient than you. I'm no rush, I can wait.
The acquisition of Australia's hotels is not completed yet. I bet price will only surge after the announcement of that.
No intention to sell it anyway until yield reaching below 6% then only consider to sell some off.  biggrin.gif
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I'm also not rushing to sell now, just that if stareit goes up, then it could cover my loss on astro.

stareit is my long term investment & also my passive income brows.gif

why it take so long to complete the Australia hotel acquisition, already few month now hmm.gif


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Thank you everyone for the advice.

I have another question, can someone tell me what was behind STARREIT's increase in dividend payments in 2012?
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QUOTE(Desvaro @ Nov 5 2012, 02:27 PM)
Thank you everyone for the advice.

I have another question, can someone tell me what was behind STARREIT's increase in dividend payments in 2012?
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The newly acquired or the proposal to turn Stareit into hospitality reit is completed.
So the properties are starting to generate income to the reit as compared previously a period of time (a few months) already sold Starhill and Lot 10, while the newer properties injection was not yet materialised due to paperwork of the corporate exercise, so you have a period of time, the reit missing some revenue in between.
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Why CMMT today dropped 0.05 to 1.75? A lot of people at selling queue...especially at 1.80
Is it overvalued at 1.80???

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yalo...i also wonder why drop so much....i bought at RM1.79 today...=(
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ya loh, why not drop straight to 1.65 so that my rabbit got something to eat. they over hungry now. tongue.gif
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Looks like Amfirst is late with their dividend payment announcement this time around. Any idea?
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Looks like Amfirst is late with their dividend payment announcement this time around. Any idea?
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Maybe after Rights Issue, need to "re-calculate" a lower dividend payout ?
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Maybe after Rights Issue, need to "re-calculate" a lower dividend payout ?
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Only takes a sec to calculate that? biggrin.gif
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ya loh, why not drop straight to 1.65 so that my rabbit got something to eat. they over hungry now.  tongue.gif
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You already got your rabbit once at that price. Once bitten, twice shy tongue.gif
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AMFIRST Income Distribution

Interim income distribution of 3.16 sen per unit (of which 3.12 sen per unit is taxable and 0.04 sen per unit is tax exempt) in respect of six-month period ended 30 September 2012

EX-date : 23/11/2012
Payment date : 12/12/2012
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Nov 6 2012, 10:20 PM)
AMFIRST Income Distribution

Interim income distribution of 3.16 sen per unit (of which 3.12 sen per unit is taxable and 0.04 sen per unit is tax exempt) in respect of six-month period ended 30 September 2012

EX-date : 23/11/2012 
Payment date : 12/12/2012
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5.59% yield only base on today closing price .......

calculations:
0.0316 X 2 (semi annually) = 0.0632 cents per annum / 1.13 (today closing = 0.0559 x 100 = 5.59% not interesting for current price ......


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QUOTE(cwhong @ Nov 6 2012, 11:37 PM)
5.59% yield only base on today closing price .......

calculations:
0.0316 X 2 (semi annually) = 0.0632 cents per annum / 1.13 (today closing = 0.0559 x 100 = 5.59% not interesting for current price ......
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That's typical after "dilution" from Rights Issue.... nevertheless, I'll keep AMFIRST for loooooong term.
As long as DY > FD rate, I'm happy.
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Nov 6 2012, 11:38 PM)
That's typical after "dilution" from Rights Issue.... nevertheless, I'll keep AMFIRST for loooooong term.
As long as DY > FD rate, I'm happy.
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0.0632 / 1.02 rights issues price = 6.19% is ok for me smile.gif coz my price is lower than that ..... just sharing the current calculation of yield only icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(cwhong @ Nov 6 2012, 11:48 PM)
0.0632 / 1.02 rights issues price = 6.19% is ok for me smile.gif coz my price is lower than that ..... just sharing the current calculation of yield only  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Can I check if theres anything I will have to do to get the dividends? Been holding amfirst to wait for this day drool.gif
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I also got mine at 1.02.

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QUOTE(Rich_Lim @ Nov 7 2012, 10:22 PM)
Can I check if theres anything I will have to do to get the dividends? Been holding amfirst to wait for this day  drool.gif
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Just check your bank account on 12-Dec-2012 for the AMFIRST Dividend Payout.
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Nov 7 2012, 10:28 PM)
Just check your bank account on 12-Dec-2012 for the AMFIRST Dividend Payout.
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QUOTE(Rich_Lim @ Nov 7 2012, 10:31 PM)
Thanks Ronnie  thumbup.gif it's been awhile, how are you smile.gif
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Busy waiting to collect year-end dividends........  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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Been eyeing on axreit recently.. What do you all think?
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Hu hu, first time bought REIT and now got dividend for AMFIRST. Lower than expected but still higher than FD...

satisfied... now a bit regret didn't buy more
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why atrium hvnt adjust down after dividend distribution? =/
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Nov 9 2012, 09:21 AM)
why atrium hvnt adjust down after dividend distribution? =/
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That's good, right ?
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AMFIRST shareholder kena con 1st time.
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QUOTE(JamesPond @ Nov 9 2012, 05:10 PM)
AMFIRST shareholder kena con 1st time.
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QUOTE(JamesPond @ Nov 9 2012, 05:10 PM)
AMFIRST shareholder kena con 1st time.
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SUNREIT.... please go up ok ?
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means they are not impressive
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means they are not impressive
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Surely that's because the rights issues caused an increase of shares in circulation, thus dilutes the existing income from rentals, hence lower dividends per share. In the meantime, the influx of cash means lowering the REITs debt ratio, thus increasing its share price. Investors will have to wait until the cash from the rights issues are used to buy new income-generating properties before they can expect to see any increase in dividends.
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QUOTE(JamesPond @ Nov 10 2012, 12:00 PM)
means they are not impressive
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Brought 100 AMFIRST-TR at 0.175
Exercise 100 AMFIRST-TR at 0.86
Excess Apply 3072 at 0.86

Total holding after exercise 3172 shares at RM2,745.42 exclude brokerage.

(Yearly Dividend Payout (3172 x 0.0632) + (Capital Appreciation (3172 x 1.13)-2,745.42 )) / Holding Cost 2,745.42 x 100% = 37.86% Gain

Why not impressive? rclxub.gif

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i guess most of us here will be holding amfirst long term for their increasing yearly dividend after the right issues instead of locking in profit from the appreciation value of share. right ?
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hmm, would be great if heading down due to the low yields thinggy .... so that can be a entry point for would be investors for amfirst .... another long term holder here ..... smile.gif
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this counter is heading south. You wont expect much within the short term.
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QUOTE(JamesPond @ Nov 14 2012, 01:54 AM)
this counter is heading south. You wont expect much within the short term.
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Nov 7 2012, 10:28 PM)
Just check your bank account on 12-Dec-2012 for the AMFIRST Dividend Payout.
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no need to back with statement, if you bull this counter, just buy, do not afraid of negative comment.
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hmm wondering whats the news with pavilion reit,sudden up 6sen
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hmm wondering whats the news with pavilion reit,sudden up 6sen
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QUOTE(JamesPond @ Nov 14 2012, 11:48 AM)
no need to back with statement, if you bull this counter, just buy, do not afraid of negative comment.
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first page of this thread.
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ARREIT can consider
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dividend is attractive too...

13/12/2011 Income Distribution (Amended Announcement) DISTRIBUTION 0.0172 13/12/2011
30/11/2011 Income Distribution DISTRIBUTION 0.0172 13/12/2011
23/08/2011 Income Distribution DISTRIBUTION 0.018071 08/09/2011
27/05/2011 Income Distribution DISTRIBUTION 0.01812 09/06/2011
11/02/2011 Income Distribution DISTRIBUTION 0.016741 25/02/2011


Added on November 16, 2012, 12:34 amlet say u buy at 0.94...its' yield is 7.45%....

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that's why, relatively cheap too
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one of their tenant silver bird has been classified as PN17.
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you are the land lord. what you worrying? don't pay the rent than can leave the building. simple as that.
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why am I worry? u do realise that if they don't pay, u won't receive your rent right? Not to mention that you cannot expect the manager to replace your tenants with a snap of a finger.
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If i am the share holder, i am not afraid 1 of my land not able to rent out for awhile but, I am worry they fake their book and abusing their benefits.
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If i am the share holder, i am not afraid 1 of my land not able to rent out for awhile but, I am worry they fake their book and abusing their benefits.
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Interesting. Are you accusing Amfirst's managers of this? On what basis?
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somebody just confusing everyone here.........
AMFIRST and ARREIT used to be my old picked.
AMFIRST now is over price and ARREIT still can consider.
But overall, this is just my own opinion. Dont take it personal
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Anyone here holding Hektar REIT?

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PETALING JAYA: Hektar Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT) posted a marginally higher net profit at RM9.9mil, or 3.11 sen a unit, for the third quarter (Q3) ended Sept 30, 2012, compared with RM9.6mil, or three sen a unit, for the corresponding period a year earlier.

Consequently, Hektar REIT has proposed a dividend of 2.6 sen a unit for the period in review. Its revenue for the third quarter improved to RM25.4mil from RM24mil last year.

For the nine-month period of 2012, Hektar REIT generated a net profit of RM28.95mil on revenue of RM74.2mil, compared with a net profit of RM28.96mil on revenue of RM70.6 for the corresponding period last year.

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...94&sec=business

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"The higher revenue was mainly due to improvement in rentals and car park income," it said in a filing to Bursa Malaysia today.

Read more: Hektar REIT posts better Q3 profit http://www.btimes.com.my/Current_News/BTIM...l#ixzz2CopcDSKb


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Anyone here holding Hektar REIT?
http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...94&sec=business

And from Business Times:
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Thanks. When are Hektar's new acquisitions going to contribute to the bottom line?
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Thanks. When are Hektar's new acquisitions going to contribute to the bottom line?
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Why is EPF buying and selling SUNREIT within short periods ??
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Considering that the acquisitions were done on Oct 2, shouldn't it start to contribute already?
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Quarter result does not include 2 Oct 2012. Now only November. They can't be doing accounting so fast, right?
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QUOTE(H86 @ Nov 21 2012, 12:35 PM)
Quarter result does not include 2 Oct 2012. Now only November. They can't be doing accounting so fast, right?
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What I meant was that the acquisitions should start to contribute immediately after they are acquired (since the acquisitions are functional and should in theory, start to generate profits).

Hence it should show up in the account period immediately after the acquisition, which as you rightly pointed out does not include q3 (the current report). I didn't mean to imply that it would appear in q3 results.

Short version - Acquisitions should be reflected in q4
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Next Qtr will see contribution from the two newly acquisition malls.
Even before that to happen, dividend has already increased. Very good! Remain as the highest retail MReit of yield 7.x% vs peers 5.x%, that's 40% higher. But nobody likes to buy cheap stock, they prefer expensive royal stocks. tongue.gif




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Next Qtr will see contribution from the two newly acquisition malls.
Even before that to happen, dividend has already increased. Very good! Remain as the highest retail MReit of yield 7.x% vs peers 5.x%, that's 40% higher. But nobody likes to buy cheap stock, they prefer expensive royal stocks.  tongue.gif
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How could the CIMB analyst report come up with net gearing ratio of 65.8%?
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How could the CIMB analyst report come up with net gearing ratio of 65.8%?
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I think the 50% thing is not the same as net gearing. Normally, reports wrote leverage on REITs while using net gearing for other stocks.
However, Hektar is one of the highest debt reit here. Therefore, this kind of limiting its ability to actively acquire new assets. This is one of the reason why it's trading at lower valuation than peers. nod.gif
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Nov 21 2012, 05:27 PM)
I think the 50% thing is not the same as net gearing. Normally, reports wrote leverage on REITs while using net gearing for other stocks.
However, Hektar is one of the highest debt reit here. Therefore, this kind of limiting its ability to actively acquire new assets. This is one of the reason why it's trading at lower valuation than peers.  nod.gif
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I did not read CIMB research report properly but i do found a problem with that report. That report seems like did not put in the effect of new mall earnings and number of new shares in their 2013 forecast. Unless CIMB has already made adjustment into year 2012 and previous year earnings.

However, i think that there is no worries on the report although the numbers seems to be unreliable. The reason i said no worries is because its rights issue proposal already mentioned that the $ from rights issue will allow the buy to be letting future dividend amount about the same (i.e. dividend yield almost same) and slightly lowering its gearing.

Its valuation is lower than its peer is obvious from its property quality and assets size now. Its property now is unable to compare with Midvalley, Sungei Wang, Pavillion or Sunway Pyramid. Furthermore, large fund may want to consider higher asset size reit for better liquidity.

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http://www.horizon.my/investor/reits.php

is about malaysia reits.
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QUOTE(JamesPond @ Nov 16 2012, 10:45 AM)
If i am the share holder, i am not afraid 1 of my land not able to rent out for awhile but, I am worry they fake their book and abusing their benefits.
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Cashflow cannot be faked.

If a company fake the cashflow figure, (in other word actual there is little cash in the bank), then the company is not able to give dividend to the shareholders already, as every cent given out (dividend) need cash.
Unless company give dividend through borrowing, which is easily suspected/detected in the financial report already.

The reason, I like reit distributing 90% of the profit made, is that it prevent the profit figure being cooked.
As if cooked the profit, means need to pay higher dividend to shareholders.
So if the profit figure is fake and jacked up, there is no way company has the cash to fund the dividend distribution, as those dividend need to be paid in cash.

A cash given out to shareholders cannot be faked.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 22 2012, 02:21 PM)
Cashflow cannot be faked.

If a company fake the cashflow figure, (in other word actual there is little cash in the bank), then the company is not able to give dividend to the shareholders already, as every cent given out (dividend) need cash.
Unless company give dividend through borrowing, which is easily suspected/detected in the financial report already.

The reason, I like reit distributing 90% of the profit made, is that it prevent the profit figure being cooked.
As if cooked the profit, means need to pay higher dividend to shareholders.
So if the profit figure is fake and jacked up, there is no way company has the cash to fund the dividend distribution, as those dividend need to be paid in cash.

A cash given out to shareholders cannot be faked.
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QUOTE(davetan @ Nov 22 2012, 12:38 PM)
All the information on that site is old.
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Pavilion REIT Chairman Lim reported to be worth RM3bil

KUALA LUMPUR: Desmond Lim Siew Choon became a billionaire developing a high-end retail mall and an office tower in Kuala Lumpur, wooing Middle Eastern investors and listing the properties as a real estate investment trust.

The 52-year-old chairman of Pavilion Real Estate Investment Trust, Malaysia's second-biggest property trust by market value, is worth at least US$1bil (RM3.06bil), according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index. Lim and his wife, Tan Kewi Yong, own 38% of the Kuala Lumpur-based trust, whose shares have outpaced other companies that raised at least US$50mil in an initial public offering (IPO) in Malaysia in the past 12 months.

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...40&sec=business

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Today (26-Nov-2012) received SUNREIT e-dividend. rclxms.gif drool.gif

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Today (26-Nov-2012) received SUNREIT e-dividend.  rclxms.gif  drool.gif
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They gave how much e-dividend??
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Today (26-Nov-2012) received SUNREIT e-dividend.  rclxms.gif  drool.gif
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which bank? rclxms.gif
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Tiger bank
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Bdreits keep dropping..sad...how low can it go? Shud I throw b4 it go down sum mor? bog at RM1.80 early 2012.
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maybe related to upcoming KLCC Reit

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...l=ipo+klcc+reit

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Previous e-dividend (Sept) for Sunreit through CIMB received only after 5 days from the official payment date
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QUOTE(williamjr @ Nov 27 2012, 04:08 PM)
Previous e-dividend (Sept) for Sunreit through CIMB received only after 5 days from the official payment date
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i got it already yesterday (Hong leong bank)


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KLCCP trading halt.. Something might happening
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KLCCP announces Malaysia 1st stapled REIT structure. The KLCCP REIT would be stapled to KLCCP shares on 1 for 1 basis, they will trade a single listed security
Suria KLCC,Mandarin Oriental,Dayabumi,lot d1 n others will be in KLCCP while Petronas Twin towers,menara exxonmobil n menara 3 petronas in KLCC REIT


Added on November 27, 2012, 6:33 pmKrisAssets 28.8sen interim dividend

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KLCCP Announces the Formation of the First Ever Stapled REIT Structure in Malaysia

http://mrem.bernama.com/viewsm.php?idm=20359
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arreit perform very good
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SUNREIT seem to move south after Ex-Date sad.gif
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KASSETS Perform very good this year....VROMMMMM !!!!

IGB Reits will be the good for near to long term stable investment....VROMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!

VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM !!!
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Is this KLCCP REIT going to ipo or we have to buy KLCCP shares to get the REIT units?
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QUOTE(jutamind @ Nov 28 2012, 12:54 PM)
Is this KLCCP REIT going to ipo or we have to buy KLCCP shares to get the REIT units?
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No IPO, buy KLCCP and you'll get KLCCP Reits.
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No IPO, buy KLCCP and you'll get KLCCP Reits.
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It sounds like the REIT will be a subsidiary of KLCCP.
While the REIT will have stable income, the property section is less certain. Am I right?
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Nov 28 2012, 02:33 PM)
No IPO, buy KLCCP and you'll get KLCCP Reits.
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so the listed counter will still be KLCCP, instead of KLCCP REIT?

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QUOTE(river.sand @ Nov 28 2012, 02:53 PM)
It sounds like the REIT will be a subsidiary of KLCCP.
While the REIT will have stable income, the property section is less certain. Am I right?
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the announcement did mention that if mandarin oriental occupancy drops, its going to have some implication.but with suria klcc in the property division might provide some certainty.
KLCC Holdings i believe still have Alamanda Putrajaya and Mesra Mall,would be interesting to see if these two properties are going to be transferred to the REIT or not
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Starhill REIT - On behalf of the Board, AmInvestment Bank is pleased to announce that the Proposed Acquisition has been completed on 29 November 2012.

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed...cements/1131965

does it mean no EGM / meeting to vote for the proposed Marriott Hotel Acquisition like the last one hmm.gif


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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Nov 30 2012, 04:46 PM)
Starhill REIT - On behalf of the Board, AmInvestment Bank is pleased to announce that the Proposed Acquisition has been completed on 29 November 2012.

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed...cements/1131965

does it mean no EGM / meeting to vote for the proposed Marriott Hotel Acquisition like the last one  hmm.gif
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Approved long time ago loh, I think. biggrin.gif
Not much response yet....which I believe will happen soon. Just my wet dream. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Nov 30 2012, 04:57 PM)
Approved long time ago loh, I think.  biggrin.gif
Not much response yet....which I believe will happen soon. Just my wet dream.  tongue.gif
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Just curious how they completed the Marriott Hotel Acquisition without asking shareholders approval at EGM / meeting. The way of announcement look like they have completed the Hotel Acquisition fully & the asset are in starhill reit.

Okay, maybe we need to wait for the meeting circular for the proposed Marriott Hotel Acquisition. Hope all this could be completed by end dec.
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Shot some Alaqar recently. Seeing big investors change hands in recent weeks. Big lots transacted at 1.43-1.46 range. And then at 1.31-1.34 range. hmm.gif
I bought in my first batch at 1.30-1.33. sweat.gif

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QUOTE(yok70 @ Dec 1 2012, 04:45 AM)
Shot some Alaqar recently. Seeing big investors change hands in recent weeks. Big lots transacted at 1.43-1.46 range. And then at 1.31-1.34 range.  hmm.gif
I bought in my first batch at 1.30-1.33.  sweat.gif
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what the NAV and yield for Alaqar at price 1.33?

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what the NAV and yield for Alaqar at price 1.33?
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I didn't keep track on NAV, although I understand many people do for REIT since that's suppose to be the assets value. But I only look at the yield, since from yield we can see what current NAV unable to tell us: the future valuation, which is stock trading all about. From what I read, Alaqar should be giving gross distribution of 8 sen for FY13. So that would be around 6% at 1.33. smile.gif

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Type Announcement
Subject MULTIPLE PROPOSALS
Description SUNWAY REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT TRUST (“SUNWAY REIT”)

I - PROPOSED ACQUISITION OF THE SUNMED PROPERTY FOR A PURCHASE CONSIDERATION OF RM310 MILLION;

II - PROPOSED PLACEMENT OF NEW UNITS IN SUNWAY REIT;

III - PROPOSED UNITHOLDERS’ MANDATE TO ALLOT AND ISSUE NEW UNITS OF UP TO 20% OF THE APPROVED FUND SIZE OF SUNWAY REIT; AND

IV - PROPOSED INCREASE IN FUND SIZE.

(COLLECTIVELY REFERRED TO AS THE “PROPOSALS”)


SUNREIT keep growing flex.gif
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QUOTE(Smurfs @ Dec 3 2012, 09:29 AM)
SUNREIT keep growing  flex.gif
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Five months after formalising its acquisition of three Marriott hotels in Australia, and with the Dec 8 official re-opening of Majestic Hotel well under way, the YTL group is now focusing on its new hotel assets in Bath, the United Kingdom. YTL Corp Bhd ED Datuk Mark Yeoh Seok Kah said although its investment in the Bath real estate was small, there was much competencies to be had from it.
Yeoh, who is also the executive director of YTL Hotels & Properties Sdn Bhd, said the hotel arm took over the Bath project about eight months ago, reportedly for £18,000 (RM87,588). YTL Hotels acquired the entire stake in Bath Hotel and Spa, which makes it a wholly-owned subsidiary of YTL Hotels and an indirect subsidiary of the group. Yeoh said the Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS) is providing two-thirds, or £20m, of the £30m investment to support the group's acquisition, and redevelopment, of the 99-room hotel project located in the heart of the historic spa city square. (Starbiz)


Good good, more potential injection for Stareit. icon_rolleyes.gif
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Just saw the Majestic Hotel bus at KL Sentral this afternoon
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Dec 3 2012, 11:32 AM)
Five months after formalising its acquisition of three Marriott hotels in Australia, and with the Dec 8 official re-opening of Majestic Hotel well under way, the YTL group is now focusing on its new hotel assets in Bath, the United Kingdom.  YTL Corp Bhd ED Datuk Mark Yeoh Seok Kah said although its investment in the Bath real estate was small, there was much competencies to be had from it.
Yeoh, who is also the executive director of YTL Hotels & Properties Sdn Bhd, said the hotel arm took over the Bath project about eight months ago, reportedly for £18,000 (RM87,588). YTL Hotels acquired the  entire stake in Bath Hotel and Spa, which makes it a wholly-owned subsidiary of YTL Hotels and an indirect subsidiary of the group. Yeoh said the Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS) is providing two-thirds, or £20m, of the £30m investment to support the group's acquisition, and redevelopment, of the 99-room hotel project located in the heart of the historic spa city square. (Starbiz)
Good good, more potential injection for Stareit.  icon_rolleyes.gif
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If not mistaken, the project is called Gainsborough Hotel & Spa. The hotel will have direct access to the city famous natural hot spring which is done by Wessex Water.

I'm not so sure about the possibility of injecting this hotel into Stareit.
Maybe YTL want to keep the hotel. Only Tan Sri Francis Yeoh knows smile.gif


http://www.bighospitality.co.uk/Venues/YTL...tel-Spa-in-Bath

http://www.thisisdevon.co.uk/star-luxury-h...tail/story.html

http://www.epr.co.uk/projects/architects-p...hotel-spa-bath/

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Will Starhill be affected by the construction of MRT?
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Will Starhill be affected by the construction of MRT?
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I think local hotels under Stareit pay fixed rental fees. Only the newly acquired Australia's Marriots pay depending on revenue.
However, after few years when revising the rental (for local hotels), that I'm not sure how it would be.
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So long term buy Star-reit better or YTL corp better??? hmm.gif
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So long term buy Star-reit better or YTL corp better???  hmm.gif
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YTL corp involve in ordinary business where STAREIT doesnt.

For REIT the income highly predictable.Income is fixed by rental collection and it is like u buy a property and rent it out.
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Arreit price affected by GE news recently? Plan to buy more if go down further.
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which is good to buy , there is so many reit , i have extra rm60k , please let me know what is the good to buy , and which is giving more dividend , please share to me brother thanks.
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Arreit price affected by GE news recently? Plan to buy more if go down further.
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i thought it's bcos ex-date
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which is good to buy , there is so many reit , i have extra rm60k , please let me know what is the good to buy , and which is giving more dividend , please share to me brother thanks.
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i thought it's bcos ex-date
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A listing for Iskandar Waterfront Holdings (IWH) and a REIT for all the commercial buildings under IWH development are on the cards sometime next year, said vice chairman Tan Sri Lim Kang Hoo. "We have not appointed the investment bankers but definitely looking at it and targeting next year since we just completed a merger this year." (Star Biz)

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hey guys

want to check with you all for sunway reit..

they are planning to "buy" sunmed and also issuance of 870 mil units

when that happen the price will have to "equalize" right ? how do we find out how to calculate the approx equalization of the price after injection of the new property and also taking into consideration of the new issuance
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IWH REIT...hmm..i wonder is it his land that are all ReClaimed Land.
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Why ARReit now only 90sen. Among the Reit which Reit has the highest dividend yield?


Added on December 6, 2012, 7:34 am[quote=davinz18,Dec 4 2012, 04:12 PM]
http://mreit.reitdata.com/

Is latest DPU for AMFirst still 4.83 sen?

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ARREIT was ex dividend on 4th December, not sure why it remained low after that.
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bcos u all never support..go buy some make it up

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Seems like all of the REITs have been sliding somewhat over the past two weeks or so. CMMT's drop is especially noticeable.
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Dec 6 2012, 11:25 AM)
Seems like all of the REITs have been sliding somewhat over the past two weeks or so. CMMT's drop is especially noticeable.
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Good news to those intending to pickup some REIT stocks.....
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Dec 6 2012, 11:27 AM)
Good news to those intending to pickup some REIT stocks.....
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Yup . Pick up before too late.
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Dec 6 2012, 11:27 AM)
Good news to those intending to pickup some REIT stocks.....
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Similar to trading in stocks, you will be required to have a Central Depository System (CDS) account and a trading account maintained with a broker. You may buy or sell ETFs through your broker, remisier or via online trading during trading hours.

where to open CDS account in Kuching Sarawak? any recommended broker? my place here don't have axis reit office branches, i actually want open cds with axis reit. sad.gif
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Dec 6 2012, 02:50 PM)
Similar to trading in stocks, you will be required to have a Central Depository System (CDS) account and a trading account maintained with a broker. You may buy or sell ETFs through your broker, remisier or via online trading during trading hours.

where to open CDS account in Kuching Sarawak? any recommended broker? my place here don't have axis reit office branches, i actually want open cds with axis reit. sad.gif
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http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/securi...g-organisations

No recommendation. The choice is yours. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Dec 6 2012, 02:50 PM)
where to open CDS account in Kuching Sarawak? any recommended broker? my place here don't have axis reit office branches, i actually want open cds with axis reit. sad.gif
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AXIS REIT is not stock broker company also.... doh.gif cool2.gif
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Dec 6 2012, 02:50 PM)
Similar to trading in stocks, you will be required to have a Central Depository System (CDS) account and a trading account maintained with a broker. You may buy or sell ETFs through your broker, remisier or via online trading during trading hours.

where to open CDS account in Kuching Sarawak? any recommended broker? my place here don't have axis reit office branches, i actually want open cds with axis reit. sad.gif
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go CIMB bank, Hong Leong Bank etc etc.
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QUOTE(BboyDora @ Dec 6 2012, 11:11 PM)
go CIMB bank, Hong Leong Bank etc etc.
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QUOTE(cwhong @ Dec 6 2012, 11:47 PM)
INVESTMENT BANK only  icon_rolleyes.gif
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Investment bank should be able to opena cds acc but the key point is brokerage firm. A investment/merchant bank may not have brokerage firm too.
Some small brokerage firm such as Jupiter do not have investment bank services such as do IPO, M&A,...

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QUOTE(H86 @ Dec 7 2012, 06:56 AM)
Investment bank should be able to opena cds acc but the key point is brokerage firm. A investment/merchant bank may not have brokerage firm too.
Some small brokerage firm such as Jupiter do not have investment bank services such as do IPO, M&A,...
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Recently price retreat in Reit Stock...Time to accumulate for ppl who looking for passive income......


Added on December 7, 2012, 4:31 pm

Recently price retreat in Reit Stock due to uncertainty in election.......Time to accumulate for ppl who looking for passive income......REITS VROOOOOMMMMMM !!!

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ARREIT at 0.895, looks to grab some.
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QUOTE(nightzstar @ Dec 6 2012, 02:50 PM)
Similar to trading in stocks, you will be required to have a Central Depository System (CDS) account and a trading account maintained with a broker. You may buy or sell ETFs through your broker, remisier or via online trading during trading hours.

where to open CDS account in Kuching Sarawak? any recommended broker? my place here don't have axis reit office branches, i actually want open cds with axis reit. sad.gif
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I can intro you my friend Judy In Kuching. She works in Hong Leong and I just registered a HLebroking with CDS with Hong Leong.

The things attracted me is that the charges is RM8. If you don't trade/invest, you could enjoy 2.6% interest p.a

Her contact - Judy Mok
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Dec 6 2012, 03:25 PM)
http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/securi...g-organisations

No recommendation. The choice is yours.  biggrin.gif
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i have an account in cimb, maybe will go ask

QUOTE(ronnie @ Dec 6 2012, 10:26 PM)
AXIS REIT is not stock broker company also.... doh.gif cool2.gif
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lol sorry got mixed up blush.gif

QUOTE(ichiglance @ Dec 7 2012, 07:31 PM)
I can intro you my friend Judy In Kuching. She works in Hong Leong and I just registered a HLebroking with CDS with Hong Leong. 

The things attracted me is that the charges is RM8.  If you don't trade/invest, you could enjoy 2.6% interest p.a

Her contact -  Judy Mok
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QUOTE(cwhong @ Dec 6 2012, 11:47 PM)
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I remembered when I first wanna open the account, I went to the "bank"...haha tongue.gif tongue.gif
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what happened to KASSETS? suddenly drop so much...? hmm.gif
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Dividend ex-date.
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i knew divvy ex-date...but drop so much after divvy? hmm.gif
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time to off loading the reits..
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why? with elections looming, not safer to be in reits?
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why? with elections looming, not safer to be in reits?
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Reits share recently drop to a level that attractive....for guy/gal who looking to goin to reits and build ur passive income...now is the best time to go in....


Reits...VROOOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM !!
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REITS will not help you earn big money, it will just help you to fight inflation.
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Anyone here holding Amanah Raya REIT? The main concerns for those holding this REIT are of course the Silver Bird issue and CIMB moving out of Wisma Amanah Raya.

Silver Bird's rental is currently covered by their 24 month deposit, so that shouldn't be an issue until 2014.

But what about CIMB moving out? Their leases experies in July 2013. Wisma Amanah Raya isn't exactly a very prime location, and with the availability of new office space all over KL, it is hard to see why someone would choose this building.

Any thoughts?
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time to clear reits
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QUOTE(Desvaro @ Dec 14 2012, 10:20 AM)
Anyone here holding Amanah Raya REIT? The main concerns for those holding this REIT are of course the Silver Bird issue and CIMB moving out of Wisma Amanah Raya.

Silver Bird's rental is currently covered by their 24 month deposit, so that shouldn't be an issue until 2014.

But what about CIMB moving out? Their leases experies in July 2013. Wisma Amanah Raya isn't exactly a very prime location, and with the availability of new office space all over KL, it is hard to see why someone would choose this building.

Any thoughts?
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The building is at Damansara Height? Is it well maintain? What is the rental there?
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The building is at Damansara Height? Is it well maintain? What is the rental there?
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However, i do think that rental is not cheap at there.
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Hmm cimb moving out is a concern, but I don't think they will..

Saw someone saying want to clear off reits? Any reasoning behind this?
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even CIMB is out... ARREIT still able to give div.
unless PNB is out of biz.
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even CIMB is out... ARREIT still able to give div.
unless PNB is out of biz.
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Ya... but less div due to less rental income. No rental income, where to find money to give to you? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Dec 18 2012, 10:14 AM)
Hmm cimb moving out is a concern, but I don't think they will..

Saw someone saying want to clear off reits? Any reasoning behind this?
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CIMB have confirmed that they are moving out
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QUOTE(Desvaro @ Dec 18 2012, 01:46 PM)
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Coming to KL Sentral ke ?
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Their lease for Wisma Amanah Raya was supposed to expire in Jan 2013, but it has been extended to July 2013.

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QUOTE(pisces88 @ Dec 18 2012, 10:14 AM)
Hmm cimb moving out is a concern, but I don't think they will..

Saw someone saying want to clear off reits? Any reasoning behind this?
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If you are KL people, you can try to look at KL Sentral. The tall blue colour building beside KL Sentral is CIMB Investment Bank new building.

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dividend might be affected after July.. maybe i'll hold it till April and see how it goes hmm.gif


Added on December 18, 2012, 3:05 pmwhatsup with UOA's slump?

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Alaqar dropping...
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Ya... but less div due to less rental income. No rental income, where to find money to give to you?  laugh.gif
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ARREIT not doing so well
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Just look at PAVREIT PE.....
you guys that holding this really on TA
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PAVREIT needs, 320 years to get back the current counter value.


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Enter AMFIRST or QCAPITA brows.gif
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Enter AMFIRST or QCAPITA brows.gif
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PAVREIT needs, 320 years to get back the current counter value.
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If really what as you said, PAVREIT don't even worth RM0.13 but i will put all my assets in buying PAVREIT if PAVREIT at price RM0.13 tomorrow.

PAVREIT is expensive but not as what you said. I do not own any PAVREIT but i do feel that it is irresponsible to simply say a number of 320 without explanation. (I don't think your explanation on 320 years is valid though. lol)

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If really what as you said, PAVREIT don't even worth RM0.13 but i will put all my assets in buying PAVREIT if PAVREIT at price RM0.13 tomorrow.

PAVREIT is expensive but not as what you said. I do not own any PAVREIT but i do feel that it is irresponsible to simply say a number of 320 without explanation. (I don't think your explanation on 320 years is valid though. lol)
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Agreed....I entered PAVREIT at avg 1.009. So I guess it is still a handsome capital gain for me brows.gif
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you guys just wait and see. high risk high gain.

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received my first dividend cheque from AMFIRST REIT. Distribution No.12 on 12.12.12 icon_rolleyes.gif

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Frankly, I'm still accumulating PAVREIT at the moment..but doing it at a slower pace
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QUOTE(tineagle @ Dec 20 2012, 12:27 AM)
received my first dividend cheque from AMFIRST REIT.  Distribution No.12 on 12.12.12 icon_rolleyes.gif

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I received my amfirst div too.

Amfirst paying how many times of div in a year?
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I received my amfirst div too.

Amfirst paying how many times of div in a year?
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sunreits paying dividend every quarter.
Others Reits normally paying dividend every 6 months. At least getting above 5% dividend .
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QUOTE(KSFONG @ Dec 23 2012, 03:35 PM)
sunreits paying dividend every quarter.
Others Reits normally paying dividend every 6 months. At least getting above 5% dividend .
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Hektar, Arreit, Atrium, Axreit also every quarter....
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Reit Manager give donations also must tell Bursa Malaysia??

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed...cements/1086337

http://www.bursamalaysia.com/market/listed...cements/1156209
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off course.
they are using the trust money to contribute
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QUOTE(JamesPond @ Dec 25 2012, 05:25 PM)
off course.
they are using the trust money to contribute
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Which was why the late economist Milton Friedman didn't agree with CSR...
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QUOTE(river.sand @ Dec 25 2012, 09:05 PM)
Which was why the late economist Milton Friedman didn't agree with CSR...
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And whats the good / bad of CSR ?

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that's why i told you to clear stock.
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IGB reits is marching towards 1.35.
starhill reits still need to move another 2 cts to break 52 week high.
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UOAReit(1.36) vs IGBReit (1.34), which one you recommend ?
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QUOTE(KSFONG @ Dec 26 2012, 08:04 PM)
IGB reits is marching towards 1.35.
Upwards o downwrads? tongue.gif

From Rm1.44 to present.......
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Upwards o downwrads?    tongue.gif

From Rm1.44 to present.......
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Dont worry- 2013 September - wait Garden Mall tenancy renewal can see big jump: cross finger ...next year Xmas gift. whistling.gif  from Santa Clause
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All tenants renew their contracts at the same time?
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anyone invested in STAREIT? price movement seems to be snail pace over the years, but yield is still pretty respectable.

most of my REIT portfolio is on retail REIT, trying to diversify my REIT portfolio
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QUOTE(jutamind @ Dec 28 2012, 12:51 PM)
anyone invested in STAREIT? price movement seems to be snail pace over the years, but yield is still pretty respectable.

most of my REIT portfolio is on retail REIT, trying to diversify my REIT portfolio
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Accumulating STAREIT now. Price seems right to enter compared to other REITs
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Dec 28 2012, 11:48 AM)
Dont worry- 2013 September - wait Garden Mall tenancy renewal can see big jump: cross finger ...next year Xmas gift. whistling.gif  from Santa Clause
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Wait for ONE YEAR at Rm1.33? ohmy.gif
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Wait for ONE YEAR at Rm1.33?      ohmy.gif
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anyone invested in STAREIT? price movement seems to be snail pace over the years, but yield is still pretty respectable.

most of my REIT portfolio is on retail REIT, trying to diversify my REIT portfolio
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Reits price below NAV is good buy excluding office reit (Now surplus on office space in KL).

website below could do some helping on reits

http://mreit.reitdata.com/
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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Dec 28 2012, 02:33 PM)
Reits price below NAV is good buy excluding office reit (Now surplus on office space in KL).

website below could do some helping on reits

http://mreit.reitdata.com/
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sad to say reits im waiting are all above NAV
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sunreit big jump today, any ideas why?

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QUOTE(Hapeng @ Dec 28 2012, 03:18 PM)
sunreit big jump today, any ideas why?
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9 month onli.....Else i tell next month- didnt come thru.....SPOILED the EGG
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9 months later..........no show......how?
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9 months later..........no show......how?
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No Idea....Maybe bring my wife go shopping there more. thumbup.gif


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i think wait till feb 2013 , we might can see some movement XD , i guess
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i think wait till feb 2013 , we might can see some movement XD , i guess
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QUOTE(jutamind @ Dec 28 2012, 12:51 PM)
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most of my REIT portfolio is on retail REIT, trying to diversify my REIT portfolio
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IMHO, certain reits r overpriced, IGB reits is one of them, so does sunreit

evident:

1) they are trading way above NAV (30-50%)

2) yield is only 5% or lower


Or are there any other methods of evaluation that proves otherwise? please share. Me noob here. TQ
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Sunreits need to move another 5 cts to break 52 weeks high 1.63.

Income Distribution 0.0203 06/11/2012
Income Distribution 0.0189 22/08/2012
Income Distribution 0.0187 09/05/2012
Income Distribution 0.0199 22/02/2012

AmanahRaya Trustees Berhad - Skim Amanah Saham Bumiputera is Acquiring from 24 -26 Dec 2012
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No Idea....Maybe bring my wife go shopping there more.  thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(Agent 592 @ Dec 28 2012, 05:30 PM)
IMHO, certain reits r overpriced, IGB reits is one of them, so does sunreit

evident:

1) they are trading way above NAV (30-50%)

2) yield is only 5% or lower
Or are there any other methods of evaluation that proves otherwise? please share. Me noob here. TQ
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Now, the situation is this. People are willing to buy a high quality fixed income instrument that only pays 4.5-5% yield p.a. As long as the yield is there, they are willing to ignore the NAV. Maybe because they think current properties price in the asset they own still has potential to growth in near future.

So what's your thought about a reasonable valuation on REITs? Please share your thoughts. thumbup.gif

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Now, the situation is this. People are willing to buy a high quality fixed income instrument that only pays 4.5-5% yield p.a. As long as the yield is there, they are willing to ignore the NAV. Maybe because they think current properties price in the asset they own still has potential to growth in near future.

So what's your thought about a reasonable valuation on REITs? Please share your thoughts.  thumbup.gif
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I think that NAV is not so important but should focus more on dividend yield. Why care about NAV if the REIT is not selling the property? Even if the REIT is selling its property, the transaction price may not be the NAV too. Should look at growth for dividend but not NAV. If a REIT announce property revaluation of 100% of its property (i.e. NAV almost doubled) while dividend remains the same, so what benefits in $$ that you can get from there?
The only NAV related potential benefits that i can think of is that if the REIT property value turns higher, then its gearing will become lower (equity increase but liabilities no increase) and then the REIT will have more spaces to finance new acquisition.

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high DY normally their price growth slowly, but low DY normally with price appreciation...

Just my 2 cents
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Too high price because of speculative
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Too high price because of speculative
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I think that NAV is not so important but should focus more on dividend yield. Why care about NAV if the REIT is not selling the property? Even if the REIT is selling its property, the transaction price may not be the NAV too. Should look at growth for dividend but not NAV. If a REIT announce property revaluation of 100% of its property (i.e. NAV almost doubled) while dividend remains the same, so what benefits in $$ that you can get from there?
The only NAV related potential benefits that i can think of is that if the REIT property value turns higher, then its gearing will become lower (equity increase but liabilities no increase) and then the REIT will have more spaces to finance new acquisition.
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