Hi guys,

Ok now I'm contemplating Fiesta XTR, Forte and Inspira

really guys, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE FEEDBACKS! in advertising, we really appreciate comments and consumer input, so i sincerely appreciate your comments.

I think xeda's advise to test drive is very legitimate. When looking at the brochures, i felt preve was better. But after sitting in and test drive, my perception totally changed, inspira wins hands down, even without a turbocharged engine. For fords, test drive and have a feel at its dual-clutch. I've driven the s-max and didn't came out impressed, especially at crawling and lower speeds. Inspira's CVT is very nice, maybe not as good as Audi's, but that's erm... not apple to apple

have to see what turbo also
in preve is just a small/soft turbo that boost the torque to equivalent of 2.0L car
and that only boost the torque
being said in this car, inspira happens to be a 2.0L car
so in short, why not have both hp and torque of a 2.0L car
and from my view, inspira is using mivec engine(more advance) and using timing chain(less maintainance, just need to change fan belt)
and for the gearbox, preve's CVT is almost at the limit of the torque already...can't mod performance
but inspira's mitsu CVT still hv quite alot of space for performance mod
not to say turbo car is bad, its good and addictive but in this case, inspira win it all

But isnt the Inspira 2.0 torque of 197Nm only available at 4,250 RPM as compared to the Preve Turbo torque of 205Nm available from 2,000 RPM?

don't just look at the spec sheets.

go try the Preve and you will notice there is nothing great about it.

for me, the sluggishness of taking off from stationary is just a total turn-off.

Yes but thats the Turbo lag rite?

A good read for the Preve:

http://paultan.org/2012/05/15/driven-proto...-manual-tested/

Turbo lag or whatsoever, nothing draws a clearer picture than test driving itself.
if you happen to own a proton previously, test driving it will impress you.
but if you don't, believe me you aren't gonna be impressed.

No offense to other Preve buyers, just voicing out my opinion from the test drive.

Not turbo lag. Try Exora bold with same engine. Pickup is way better than early batch Preve CFE.

It just that Preve ecu to be tune like that to comply with global emission rating. Later batch have great pickup due to user complaint.

To the TS, we would be able to assist you better if you can tell us your preference on the followings:

Usage: (City drive / long distance highway)
Car size: (Bigger / smaller)
Boot: (required / not required)
Fuel Consumption: (must be good / don't really care)
Resale value: (must be good / don't really care)
Interior quality: (must feel premium / don't really care)
Handling: (must be good / don't really care)
Safety features: (more is better / don't really care)
Goodies: (more is better / don't really care)

Safety features = Airbags, VSC
Goodies = Light & rain sensors, auto cruise, auto aircond, keyless entry and start.



This post has been edited by alg7_munif: Sep 5 2012, 03:25 PM

Hi munif,

Ok, true..I have mentioned earlier some of the details but I'll follow your template as it seems more clearer and they are as per below:

Usage: Mostly highway driving from Cyberjaya to Damansara
Car Size: Does not matter but Fiesta is the smallest I'll go
Boot: Medium size is fine..as long bigger than my Naza Suria
FC: must be good
Resale value: important but do understand brands like Ford and Kia are picking up
Interior quality: must be solidly built and feel premium
Handling: must be good, I don't like wobbly drive..like when i tested my friend's Vios(all over the place)

Safety Features: important, bcuz long distance driving and when raining.
Goodies: must have GPS touch screen, leather seats

GUYS ALSO, I do appreciate the enthusiasm but NO NEED to argue/debate about torque,turbo lag, etc...i understand you guys are passionate but in the end, we are all here to just share thoughts on what is worth our money and which car to get..not to just help me but also OTHERS that are thinking of buying a new car.

regards,

Rudy Z

This post has been edited by RudyZ07: Sep 5 2012, 03:23 PM

since inspira no turbo...the 4250RPM is actually maximum, not start from
where as the preve is start from 2000 to maximum 4000
meaning inspira can access the 197Nm from start till 4250RPM whereas the 205Nm of preve only start @ 2000RPM
this is call turbo lag but this is consider mini lag already compare to those big turbo

I can give you 6 options. The car that doesn't fit your requirement from my options is marked with red in your post above. I think you should consider Forte since it fits most of your requirement.

My ranking based on the above criteria would be:

Usage: (City drive / long distance highway)
Swift;Fiesta;City;Preve;Forte;Inspira

Car size: (Bigger / smaller)
Inspira;Preve;Forte;City;Fiesta;Swift

Boot: (required / not required)
Preve;Forte;Inspira;City;Fiesta;Swift

Fuel Consumption: (must be good / don't really care)
Fiesta;City;Swift;Preve;Inspira;Forte

Resale value: (must be good / don't really care)
City;Swift;Fiesta;Inspira;Forte;Preve (My guess only)

Interior quality: (must feel premium / don't really care)
Forte;City;Preve;Fiesta;Swift;Inspira

Handling: (must be good / don't really care)
Swift;Fiesta;Inspira;Preve;City;Forte (all are quite good actually)

Safety features: (more is better / don't really care)
Fiesta;Forte;Preve;City;Inspira;Swift

Goodies: (more is better / don't really care)
Forte;Preve;Fiesta;Inspira;Swift;City

This post has been edited by alg7_munif: Sep 5 2012, 03:42 PM

Err..i dont think thats quite right. Correct me if im wrong but what it means is that the Inspira's max torque of 197Nm is only achieved at 4,250 RPM. Below that RPM, you dont get all 197Nm of torque available. The 197Nm of torque is not available from start. Thats why u have the torque curve.

This post has been edited by cybermaster98: Sep 5 2012, 03:50 PM

Forte 2.0L fuel consumption quite bad? Care to provide some figures?

TS, if ur not a family man, just go for the Fiesta XTR....

Small car but big fun... Very good handling and ride comfort...

Best in class FC + superb safety specs....

6 Airbags, ESP, etc.....

About the gearbox, it's normal for the Getrag sourced Dual clutch transmission...

Some ppl are not used to it.... That grinding sound happens when the clucth actuator mechanism working...

also it is not jerky as VW's DSG on slow traffic, ie. crawling...

But VW's DSG shift faster altough Fiesta itself is not a slouch...

And it's handling is just awesome....

This is my suggestion....

For me... i have same dillemma like you too. But in the end i choose PC after test drive tons of cars.

With your budget. You can get more than 10 types of car and depends what you want and need in the end. I recommend test drive all the car and choose one which fits u best.

In my opinion, if you can wait that is,, Prius C is a good choice as 100% not made in Malaysia and rank high in safety feature as one of the VSC with 7 Airbag. Credit also go to Elantra for this tech. google it up and u see how safe it is with VSC system in place.

Not only that PC is the best in MPG as it can go 51 MPG in city driving as you drive in city. Test drive it first. I can safety say its more powerful than Vios and good at FC + safety feature.

Downside its small, so if you use it for second car and you dont mind small car. I think its a good car to drive around town as easy to park as well.

But then it all down to your preference. Ford Fiesta is not bad as well . With Kia K3 arriving soon. If you can wait , maybe test drive it and maybe you like it more. ^^ .

http://www.fuelly.com/driver/dericlee76/forte
http://www.fuelly.com/driver/veryfastdude/forte
http://www.fuelly.com/driver/chk4122/forte
http://www.fuelly.com/driver/ototo/forte
http://www.fuelly.com/driver/kura2/forte

This post has been edited by alg7_munif: Sep 5 2012, 04:02 PM

Like the dude said, if you're basing it on your requirenemnts, then Forte would be the one that fits most of it. Forte's interior is just awesome, even more if you look at the Koup.

I wouldn't bother looking at FC too much if I were you, I've driven 1.6, 1.8, and 2.0 cars, and their FC are very similar. It's highly dependant on how you drive. But, if you are very FC conscious, then you gotta get a small, economical car (I'm talking about kancil, here). That's the only way.

I am willing to bet with you that if you take all the 6 cars above, and drive them constantly at 110km/h, the FC would be about the same. So, technically, a car doesn't make much difference in FC, your driving style does. Even if you take all 6 cars and drive in stop and go traffic, all the time, if you rev all the 6 cars at an average rev of 3k rpm, in stop and go traffic, I'm willing to bet with you the FC would be similar too. Wanna save fuel? Don't hit the pedal so much, simple as that.

But, don't ever, ever, buy a car without test driving it first.

Pick a bunch of car, test drive it, and then decide.

Since you are doing a lot of highway driving, FC won't be as bad as city driving for Forte & Inspira.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7300


See this for VSC.. Elantra and PC has it as well ^^ . If you off u can do like in the video in the link ^^