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post Sep 7 2012, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(FastCoder @ Sep 7 2012, 02:50 AM)
Like I said, microsd is small so when you take it out of its slot, it can get lost easily.
This is ridiculous excuse to say about microsd. I might as well say you can easily lose both the USB OTG and the flash drive if you are that careless to even lose the microsd every time you take it out. You don't even often have to take out the microsd whereby USB OTG you have to constantly remind yourself to bring it along with you which increase the likely hood of you misplace the cable.

QUOTE(FastCoder @ Sep 7 2012, 02:50 AM)
Anyway, the 920 has no microsd slot. The advantage of using a flash drive as opposed to the microsd is that you don't need to have to use a computer and a card reader to transfer the information out or into the phone.

If you are on the move, and you don't have a computer with you, you can transfer your photos out to a flash drive to be given to somebody. A lot of people carry flash drives around, along with their keys. The small USB OTG cable can be easily kept in a car, a small bag or even in the pocket for easy access when needed.
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That is the only advantage of USB OTG, but I have rarely encounter situation where I need to use USB OTG to transfer data to someone else. It must have been like 2-3 times I did that. Majority of my transfer was done via Wifi / data cable transfer, or simply email to them.

Also, micro sd card reader are small nowadays, can also be kept anywhere.

See this:

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A lot more convenient to carry than USB OTG, can even stick on your keychain.
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QUOTE(luckyhillkop @ Sep 7 2012, 09:37 AM)
I thought u love windows phone.
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haha ASPIRE already explain 2 us y he is jumping out of the bandwagon already laugh.gif laugh.gif

QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 6 2012, 09:56 PM)
Yeap but it keeps getting disappointing and more disappointing example

Nokia 808 Pureview

Nokia Rich Recording
Nokia Lossless zoom
Nokia pixels oversampling
Now become Nokia Lumia 920 with so called Pureview

None of above

Megapixels from 41 MP become 8MP
Dont have Nokia Rich Recording
Dont have Nokia Lossless zoom
Dont have Nokia pixels oversampling
Only got so called OIS
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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Sep 7 2012, 12:04 PM)
haha ASPIRE already explain 2 us y he is jumping out of the bandwagon already laugh.gif laugh.gif
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I was looking forward to his photos using 920.
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post Sep 7 2012, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(WhatMan @ Sep 7 2012, 10:05 AM)
This is ridiculous excuse to say about microsd. I might as well say you can easily lose both the USB OTG and the flash drive if you are that careless to even lose the microsd every time you take it out. You don't even often have to take out the microsd whereby USB OTG you have to constantly remind yourself to bring it along with you which increase the likely hood of you misplace the cable.
That is the only advantage of USB OTG, but I have rarely encounter situation where I need to use USB OTG to transfer data to someone else. It must have been like 2-3 times I did that. Majority of my transfer was done via Wifi / data cable transfer, or simply email to them.

Also, micro sd card reader are small nowadays, can also be kept anywhere.

See this:

user posted image

A lot more convenient to carry than USB OTG, can even stick on your keychain.
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Even now, I have to stick my unused micro-sd cards into sd adapters to prevent them from getting misplaced, because there are too small. Anyway, removing micro-sd cards from phones is itself a hassle.

Like I said, the situation to use the USB OTG is when you are on the move and there is no computer around, so card readers are useless anyway. That's why it is called USB On-the-go. The main use of this to backup photos into one or more usb drives, to prevent total loss of photos when you are on vacation, in case you lose the phone.


Added on September 7, 2012, 2:06 pm
QUOTE(more69 @ Sep 7 2012, 08:41 AM)
as for my understanding, not much ppl will take out thier micro sd for data exchange. the micro sd main usage (at least for me) when the fon was critically damaged. i still can retain my own pic & music by taking out the micro sd & transfer to other fon. yes u may say y not using cloud system? i got full 20gb of data & i lazy to upload + i dont trust cloud system + i dowan using my own data quota when i wan to listen my own music when i was abroad.
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Yeah, I also don't trust cloud storage. You would never know what they do with the data uploaded there. Deleted files may not be truely deleted.



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QUOTE(luckyhillkop @ Sep 7 2012, 09:37 AM)
I thought u love windows phone.
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At first yes because they keep twisting like that I also scare. I only keep using Nokia because of the camera. But now it's getting worse and worse the tech. I prefer iOS becaus of its notification and simplify.

Just look at 920 camera is worse than a Nokia n8 camera except for OIS and floating lens.

Nokia is not famous like last time they can simply twist and turn.

Have u seen iPhone suddenly give u 8mp tomorrow become 5mp the device keeps getting better.
See s3 how sux it keep getting better.

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 7 2012, 02:20 PM)
At first yes because they keep twisting like that I also scare. I only keep using Nokia because of the camera. But now it's getting worse and worse the tech. I prefer iOS becaus of its notification and simplify.

Just look at 920 camera is worse than a Nokia n8 camera except for OIS and floating lens.

Nokia is not famous like last time they can simply twist and turn.

Have u seen iPhone suddenly give u 8mp tomorrow become 5mp the device keeps getting better.
See s3 how sux it keep getting better.
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Well, your photos will be missed sifu.

For me personally, I believe the floating lens and its low light abilities will better suit shaky hands like mine. Just that like I've previously said, I hope the pricing will be reasonable. Nokia pricing frighten me most of the time.
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post Sep 7 2012, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 7 2012, 02:20 PM)
At first yes because they keep twisting like that I also scare. I only keep using Nokia because of the camera. But now it's getting worse and worse the tech. I prefer iOS becaus of its notification and simplify.

Just look at 920 camera is worse than a Nokia n8 camera except for OIS and floating lens.

Nokia is not famous like last time they can simply twist and turn.

Have u seen iPhone suddenly give u 8mp tomorrow become 5mp the device keeps getting better.
See s3 how sux it keep getting better.
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As this is a smartphone, not a DSLR, the most important thing that I want out from its camera is the ability to shoot in dark situations without using flash and to be able to take videos without shakiness. I think Nokia is spot on, in these regards, to focus on these two key features.

If I'm really into super high resolution, I would expect that from a DSLR, not from a smartphone.

A smartphone is often used for taking pictures in unplanned situations, so megapixel count does not matter. Correct exposure and non-blurry images is all that matters in such situations.


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QUOTE(FastCoder @ Sep 7 2012, 03:12 PM)
As this is a smartphone, not a DSLR, the most important thing that I want out from its camera is the ability to shoot in dark situations without using flash and to be able to take videos without shakiness. I think Nokia is spot on, in these regards, to focus on these two key features.

If I'm really into super high resolution, I would expect that from a DSLR, not from a smartphone.

A smartphone is often used for taking pictures in unplanned situations, so megapixel count does not matter. Correct exposure and non-blurry images is all that matters in such situations.
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Agreed.
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post Sep 7 2012, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(FastCoder @ Sep 7 2012, 03:12 PM)
As this is a smartphone, not a DSLR, the most important thing that I want out from its camera is the ability to shoot in dark situations without using flash and to be able to take videos without shakiness. I think Nokia is spot on, in these regards, to focus on these two key features.

If I'm really into super high resolution, I would expect that from a DSLR, not from a smartphone.

A smartphone is often used for taking pictures in unplanned situations, so megapixel count does not matter. Correct exposure and non-blurry images is all that matters in such situations.
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I have dslr and tell you the truth there tons of burden you need consider
1st high maintenance and cost
2nd many places not allow to bring camera
3rd size too big and heavy
4th Not practical

Indeed smartphone is often used for taking pictures in unplanned situation with stunning image quality. Our disappointment is not about the usage of the camera but the tech given. Make it this way someone gave u a nokia lumia 920 then suddenly he take it away and give u a Nokia n73. Get it you feel downgrade and u are still paying the same price

It does matter if you know how to use the feature. I have learn how to utilized megapixels to capture stunning images and some dslr users with the same price of my mobile phone can't take the photos I took with a smartphone. The best my phone can take amazing photos, can SMS, can email, can access Internet and etc

If u ask a lot ppl here they know I spend a lot time in mobile photography and I know the potential. With a more expensive camera doesn't make you better is how you use it matters.

Have u used a Nokia 808 pureview? If yes u will understand if not hard to explain . Just imagine 808 pureview add floating lens and OIS that would be an ultimate camera phone a standard nobody can beat for now.


Have u heard the audio recorded by a Nokia 808 pureview it's better than a dslr mic u know.

Have u seen video recorded by 808 especially low light. You will be amaze from a mobile phone.

Have u tried Nokia lossless zoom in video and photos there no pixelated not even crop it's clear that is also what consumer needs.

This post has been edited by aspire2oo6: Sep 7 2012, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 7 2012, 03:50 PM)
I have dslr and tell you the truth there tons of burden you need consider
1st high maintenance and cost
2nd many places not allow to bring camera
3rd size too big and heavy
4th Not practical

Indeed smartphone is often used for taking pictures in unplanned situation with stunning image quality. Our disappointment is not about the usage of the camera but the tech given. Make it this way someone gave u a nokia lumia 920 then suddenly he take it away and give u a Nokia n73. Get it you feel downgrade and u are still paying the same price

It does matter if you know how to use the feature. I have learn how to utilized megapixels to capture stunning images and some dslr users with the same price of my mobile phone can't take the photos I took with a smartphone. The best my phone can take amazing photos, can SMS, can email, can access Internet and etc

If u ask a lot ppl here they know I spend a lot time in mobile photography and I know the potential. With a more expensive camera doesn't make you better is how you use it matters.

Have u used a Nokia 808 pureview? If yes u will understand if not hard to explain . Just imagine 808 pureview add floating lens and OIS that would be an ultimate camera phone a standard nobody can beat for now.
Have u heard the audio recorded by a Nokia 808 pureview it's better than a dslr mic u know.

Have u seen video recorded by 808 especially low light. You will be amaze from a mobile phone.

Have u tried Nokia lossless zoom in video and photos there no pixelated not even crop it's clear that is also what consumer needs.
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I totally understand the needs from a photography enthusiast's point of view. I used to be very interested in photography as a hobby. But for people who doesn't have the interest, the ability to shoot good enough photos without harsh flashing and blurriness is definitely something that we look for in a smartphone.

Obviously, the 808 is a superb cameraphone, but its bulkiness is a hindrance for the features to be included into a mainstream, multi-purpose smartphone. For photography enthusiats like you, better hope for another Nokia model then, which comes with the combined 41MP sensor and ther new Lumia 920 features. I doubt the upcoming IP5 would be having those features that you are looking for.


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QUOTE(FastCoder @ Sep 7 2012, 04:47 PM)
I totally understand the needs from a photography enthusiast's point of view. I used to be very interested in photography as a hobby. But for people who doesn't have the interest, the ability to shoot good enough photos without harsh flashing and blurriness is definitely something that we look for in a smartphone.

Obviously, the 808 is a superb cameraphone, but its bulkiness is a hindrance for the features to be included into a mainstream, multi-purpose smartphone. For photography enthusiats like you, better hope for another Nokia model then, which comes with the combined 41MP sensor and ther new Lumia 920 features. I doubt the upcoming IP5 would be having those features that you are looking for.
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Yeap for normal users 920 consider okay. I understand where you coming from. Ip5 yes won't have those features but like many said overall for a smart phone it's already sufficient. Camera I guess I either use back my Nokia n8 or get a 808 pureview.

What really matters to me is the resell value
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i think you disappointed with Nokia Lumia but not Windows Phone,right?
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QUOTE(marcus20125 @ Sep 7 2012, 05:19 PM)
i think you disappointed with Nokia Lumia but not Windows Phone,right?
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Yeap you are right.
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 7 2012, 03:50 PM)
I have dslr and tell you the truth there tons of burden you need consider
1st high maintenance and cost
2nd many places not allow to bring camera
3rd size too big and heavy
4th Not practical

Indeed smartphone is often used for taking pictures in unplanned situation with stunning image quality. Our disappointment is not about the usage of the camera but the tech given. Make it this way someone gave u a nokia lumia 920 then suddenly he take it away and give u a Nokia n73. Get it you feel downgrade and u are still paying the same price

It does matter if you know how to use the feature. I have learn how to utilized megapixels to capture stunning images and some dslr users with the same price of my mobile phone can't take the photos I took with a smartphone. The best my phone can take amazing photos, can SMS, can email, can access Internet and etc

If u ask a lot ppl here they know I spend a lot time in mobile photography and I know the potential. With a more expensive camera doesn't make you better is how you use it matters.

Have u used a Nokia 808 pureview? If yes u will understand if not hard to explain . Just imagine 808 pureview add floating lens and OIS that would be an ultimate camera phone a standard nobody can beat for now.
Have u heard the audio recorded by a Nokia 808 pureview it's better than a dslr mic u know.

Have u seen video recorded by 808 especially low light. You will be amaze from a mobile phone.

Have u tried Nokia lossless zoom in video and photos there no pixelated not even crop it's clear that is also what consumer needs.
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if you want pureview 808 with floating lense then you cannot expect it to fit into a sexy chasis like lumia. the tech is just not there yet. Don't thing apple or samsung can give u that as well.

But i understand where you are coming from. You already have the 808, then no point going for 920. But for the rest of us who don't have 808 and want a sexy phone, 920 is awesome

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don't know below 2 link talking about at all
mind explain any1 ??

http://blog.gsmarena.com/heres-what-the-no...h-is-all-about/

http://blog.gsmarena.com/the-amazing-scien...se-of-pureview/
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QUOTE(killdavid @ Sep 7 2012, 05:59 PM)
if you want pureview 808 with floating lense then you cannot expect it to fit into a sexy chasis like lumia. the tech is just not there yet. Don't thing apple or samsung can give u that as well.

But i understand where you are coming from. You already have the 808, then no point going for 920. But for the rest of us who don't have 808 and want a sexy phone, 920 is awesome
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In a way you are right. I dont expect it to be an 808 just expect half of it. The problem with 920 it has the name of pureview but there nothing to do with its previous successor. Its more like a marketing name thats it. My expectation benefit is for consumers.

Like i said numerous time

Nokia 808 pureview

Lossless zoom - Not on 920
Nokia Rich recording - Not on 920
Nokia pixels oversampling - Not on 920
Nokia Xenon flash - Not on 920
Nokia OIS - not on 808
Nokia so called float sensor - Not on 808
Nokia LED flash pulse - not on 808

For nokia rich recording watch this video




Lossless zoom


They just removed all this from the Nokia Lumia 920

This post has been edited by aspire2oo6: Sep 7 2012, 06:21 PM
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QUOTE(FastCoder @ Sep 7 2012, 04:47 PM)
I totally understand the needs from a photography enthusiast's point of view. I used to be very interested in photography as a hobby. But for people who doesn't have the interest, the ability to shoot good enough photos without harsh flashing and blurriness is definitely something that we look for in a smartphone.

Obviously, the 808 is a superb cameraphone, but its bulkiness is a hindrance for the features to be included into a mainstream, multi-purpose smartphone. For photography enthusiats like you, better hope for another Nokia model then, which comes with the combined 41MP sensor and ther new Lumia 920 features. I doubt the upcoming IP5 would be having those features that you are looking for.
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then this is something for your considerations
http://www.samsung.com/sg/promotions/galaxycamera/

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QUOTE(Maknusia @ Sep 7 2012, 06:19 PM)
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then this is something for your considerations
http://www.samsung.com/sg/promotions/galaxycamera/
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its not a phone. Its uglier than 808 and bigger than 808

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 7 2012, 06:20 PM)
its not a phone. Its uglier than 808 and bigger than 808
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hahaha ugly?! its a camera with phone, as I understood

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_camera-4961.php

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QUOTE(Maknusia @ Sep 7 2012, 06:23 PM)
hahaha ugly?! its a camera with phone, as I understood

http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_camera-4961.php
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Notice there no 2G

2G Network N/A
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network LTE

Its aperture is only 2.8 . Only good thing about this is the android and optical zoom

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