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post Sep 5 2012, 10:23 PM

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No problem watching the live webcast.

Nokia City Lens very innovative.
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post Sep 5 2012, 10:28 PM

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Nokia have arrangment with shops to privide wireless charging while dining etc
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post Sep 6 2012, 05:45 PM

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Lumia 920's ability to capture great images in low light is very attractive to me.

Taking shots in low light using flash often create very harsh pictures and cannot show the real light condition of the scene. Worse still if the subject is very close or have relective surfaces.
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post Sep 7 2012, 12:07 AM

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From the specs given in gsmarena, the 920 supports USB on-the-go. So even though the 920 doesn't have a Micro-SD slot, in theory, you can connect a USB drive to it to copy files in and out.

Which is better? A usb drive or a micro-sd card? For me, handling a micro-sd card is messy because it could easily get lost, so I much prefer using a usb drive.


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post Sep 7 2012, 02:50 AM

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QUOTE(WhatMan @ Sep 7 2012, 02:14 AM)
I don't understand the logic of micro-sd being 'messy'. The unit is small, and can fit nicely inside the phone micro sd slot. You don't have to worry about running out of space because you can pick the size of micro-sd to your liking.

For phones depended on USB OTG to store extra data, you have to carry a flash drive and the cable itself all the time. 

Extra accessories , thus extra messy.
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Like I said, microsd is small so when you take it out of its slot, it can get lost easily.

Anyway, the 920 has no microsd slot. The advantage of using a flash drive as opposed to the microsd is that you don't need to have to use a computer and a card reader to transfer the information out or into the phone.

If you are on the move, and you don't have a computer with you, you can transfer your photos out to a flash drive to be given to somebody. A lot of people carry flash drives around, along with their keys. The small USB OTG cable can be easily kept in a car, a small bag or even in the pocket for easy access when needed.


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post Sep 7 2012, 02:02 PM

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QUOTE(WhatMan @ Sep 7 2012, 10:05 AM)
This is ridiculous excuse to say about microsd. I might as well say you can easily lose both the USB OTG and the flash drive if you are that careless to even lose the microsd every time you take it out. You don't even often have to take out the microsd whereby USB OTG you have to constantly remind yourself to bring it along with you which increase the likely hood of you misplace the cable.
That is the only advantage of USB OTG, but I have rarely encounter situation where I need to use USB OTG to transfer data to someone else. It must have been like 2-3 times I did that. Majority of my transfer was done via Wifi / data cable transfer, or simply email to them.

Also, micro sd card reader are small nowadays, can also be kept anywhere.

See this:

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A lot more convenient to carry than USB OTG, can even stick on your keychain.
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Even now, I have to stick my unused micro-sd cards into sd adapters to prevent them from getting misplaced, because there are too small. Anyway, removing micro-sd cards from phones is itself a hassle.

Like I said, the situation to use the USB OTG is when you are on the move and there is no computer around, so card readers are useless anyway. That's why it is called USB On-the-go. The main use of this to backup photos into one or more usb drives, to prevent total loss of photos when you are on vacation, in case you lose the phone.


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QUOTE(more69 @ Sep 7 2012, 08:41 AM)
as for my understanding, not much ppl will take out thier micro sd for data exchange. the micro sd main usage (at least for me) when the fon was critically damaged. i still can retain my own pic & music by taking out the micro sd & transfer to other fon. yes u may say y not using cloud system? i got full 20gb of data & i lazy to upload + i dont trust cloud system + i dowan using my own data quota when i wan to listen my own music when i was abroad.
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Yeah, I also don't trust cloud storage. You would never know what they do with the data uploaded there. Deleted files may not be truely deleted.



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post Sep 7 2012, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 7 2012, 02:20 PM)
At first yes because they keep twisting like that I also scare. I only keep using Nokia because of the camera. But now it's getting worse and worse the tech. I prefer iOS becaus of its notification and simplify.

Just look at 920 camera is worse than a Nokia n8 camera except for OIS and floating lens.

Nokia is not famous like last time they can simply twist and turn.

Have u seen iPhone suddenly give u 8mp tomorrow become 5mp the device keeps getting better.
See s3 how sux it keep getting better.
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As this is a smartphone, not a DSLR, the most important thing that I want out from its camera is the ability to shoot in dark situations without using flash and to be able to take videos without shakiness. I think Nokia is spot on, in these regards, to focus on these two key features.

If I'm really into super high resolution, I would expect that from a DSLR, not from a smartphone.

A smartphone is often used for taking pictures in unplanned situations, so megapixel count does not matter. Correct exposure and non-blurry images is all that matters in such situations.


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post Sep 7 2012, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 7 2012, 03:50 PM)
I have dslr and tell you the truth there tons of burden you need consider
1st high maintenance and cost
2nd many places not allow to bring camera
3rd size too big and heavy
4th Not practical

Indeed smartphone is often used for taking pictures in unplanned situation with stunning image quality. Our disappointment is not about the usage of the camera but the tech given. Make it this way someone gave u a nokia lumia 920 then suddenly he take it away and give u a Nokia n73. Get it you feel downgrade and u are still paying the same price

It does matter if you know how to use the feature. I have learn how to utilized megapixels to capture stunning images and some dslr users with the same price of my mobile phone can't take the photos I took with a smartphone. The best my phone can take amazing photos, can SMS, can email, can access Internet and etc

If u ask a lot ppl here they know I spend a lot time in mobile photography and I know the potential. With a more expensive camera doesn't make you better is how you use it matters.

Have u used a Nokia 808 pureview? If yes u will understand if not hard to explain . Just imagine 808 pureview add floating lens and OIS that would be an ultimate camera phone a standard nobody can beat for now.
Have u heard the audio recorded by a Nokia 808 pureview it's better than a dslr mic u know.

Have u seen video recorded by 808 especially low light. You will be amaze from a mobile phone.

Have u tried Nokia lossless zoom in video and photos there no pixelated not even crop it's clear that is also what consumer needs.
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I totally understand the needs from a photography enthusiast's point of view. I used to be very interested in photography as a hobby. But for people who doesn't have the interest, the ability to shoot good enough photos without harsh flashing and blurriness is definitely something that we look for in a smartphone.

Obviously, the 808 is a superb cameraphone, but its bulkiness is a hindrance for the features to be included into a mainstream, multi-purpose smartphone. For photography enthusiats like you, better hope for another Nokia model then, which comes with the combined 41MP sensor and ther new Lumia 920 features. I doubt the upcoming IP5 would be having those features that you are looking for.


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post Sep 8 2012, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Sep 8 2012, 01:09 PM)
should be below two Ks. (btw im a cheapo and i am no longer to going to touch any phone more than 1K) especially when a FULL HD 32" japanese brand LCDs are selling below 1K tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif
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Yeah, smartphones are so expensive. It just doesn't make sense for a small thing like that to cost so much. Imagine a top-end smartphone is more expensive than 1 TV and 1 notebook combined !


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post Sep 8 2012, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(ezmeer94 @ Sep 8 2012, 04:58 PM)
i still prefer micro sd just keep in the phone so that it will never get lost
but still usb otg support is a huge improvement for wp
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I do hope that USB OTG cables could be easily found and cheap too. Don't want the hassle of making my own OTG cable.


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post Sep 8 2012, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(WhatMan @ Sep 8 2012, 10:09 PM)
Silly comparison.

Like this I might as well say it does not make sense that a a kilo of 24 karat gold cost more than a car.
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Gold can't be mass-produced. Cars and phones can be mass-produced.

If you say it is a silly comparison, then why is a 40" LCD TV may cost up to RM20k, more than 10 years ago?


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post Sep 9 2012, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(WhatMan @ Sep 9 2012, 12:01 AM)
And TVs can also be mass produced, more so than smart phones. If you think gold is not a proper comparison, then there are other examples.

http://www.amazon.com/Leica-M9-Digital-Fin...k/dp/B002NX13LC

See the price there? Many times more expensive for HDTV, yet it is nothing more than a camera. So how do you value the price of a product?
And how much do you think phone nowadays cost more than 10 years ago? How much for 4GB RAM over 10 years ago? What about 1TB HDD over 10 years ago?

If you want to play cost & time factor, please take a look at this:

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The price plunge of consumer electronic devices have been fairly consistent historically. Once there is little or no difference between many competitors, prices would drop like a bomb. What we probably have at the moment is a duopoly - Samsung and Apple, with both demanding huge profit margins from their customers.

Once a third or fourth successful player comes in, the high margin game is over and we customes would get to enjoy great prices.


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post Sep 9 2012, 02:41 AM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Sep 9 2012, 02:16 AM)
its expensive because consumers are willing to pay it. the same device can cost 2.5K at launch and after 12months - cost 1K. I cant see how LC/Plasma TV price will continue to go down. The price is at same as the tube TV at the time the market was flooded with LCD/Plasma.

At the end of the day - i want value for the device that I buy. Lumia 610 is now selling at RM650 nokia warranty. AP warranty is around RM500. I dont see how huge price difference next year at this time. Thats my argument when i suggest people to buy phone. I also check what people do with their phone! There is just toooo much shit on high end expensive phones that people NEVER NEED or NEVER USE.
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Yes, I go for value too. Even though I like the Lumia 920, I might only buy it once an even newer top-end Lumia comes out, which causes the Lumia 920 to go down in price by 30 to 50%.

But if the 920 is itself is selling at launch time, cheaper than both the IP5 and S3 by 30%, then I would go for the 920 right away.


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post Sep 9 2012, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(g5sim @ Sep 9 2012, 10:16 AM)
the problem with iphone is I would rather find out that i brain cancer and have 1y to live than to be associated with a product bought by people who queue "for days" just to get their hands on the product and when they got it, they had this sense of proudness that make me want to vomit!!
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Yes, these people can behave as if, by owning one, that they have achieved something very great in the life. How pathetic. I definitely don't want to be associated with this kind of shallow-mindedness.

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post Sep 10 2012, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(ezmeer94 @ Sep 10 2012, 04:29 PM)
haha typical nokia when the devices are out became outdated dy doh.gif
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I have always wondered why it would take a long long time to arrive in Malaysia once a Nokia phone becomes available in the Western countries.

Slow release is definitely not due to transportation. Is it because Nokia employees are very inefficient and slow? Is it because Malaysia's market is considered low priority for Nokia? Or is it because SIRIM, the authority to test and approve new telecommunication equipment, is slow?

I wonder what can be the real reason?


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post Sep 11 2012, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 11 2012, 03:06 PM)
Yeap just imagine Honda accord call vtec then they come out another version call Honda accord 2012 edition they remove the vtec then put a abs example but you paying the same price the design also look like old version
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For me, I'm not bothered about all the marketing gimmicks that all kinds of companies use. What matters the most is whether the features work accrording to their marketing material or not. As discerning consumers, we must always be aware of the use of grandiose tags and outrageous terms in the marketing of tech products.


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post Sep 13 2012, 02:46 PM

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When do you think the Lumia 920 will hit our shores? Dec 2012? Jan 2013?

I guess Nokia would take their sweet time to bring the new device over here, judging from past experience. I won't be surprised at all if it would only be available around March 2013.
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post Sep 13 2012, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 13 2012, 05:31 PM)
Haha that was my decision until the most disappointing announcement. Screen go bigger side ways hahahahna
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Disappointed only. See see go queue up overnight like all the sheeps did when IP4S launched the last time, which was nothing spectacular also.

The need to give money to Apple is just too strong for some people.


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post Sep 13 2012, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Sep 13 2012, 05:59 PM)
4 inch Side way Walau eh everything look taller not enlarge Hahahahahahh
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Somehow I feel they still can get away with this disappointing phone. The brain of the typical Apple fan definitely works in mysterious ways.
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post Sep 16 2012, 01:08 AM

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QUOTE(luckyhillkop @ Sep 16 2012, 12:23 AM)
I need this phone for my bday. C'mon Nokia do the right thing, release it in October.
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Even though I too hope that they release the phone in October in Malaysia, but I think it would be better if they release it in January 2013 to coincide with the launch of LTE in Malaysia. In that way, we can find out if it can really work with our LTE.

I heard the Iphone 5 can't support our LTE.



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