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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Liverpool 0-2 Arsenal - 2nd defeat!

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post Sep 3 2012, 11:37 AM

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i thought Borini is an out and out striker. why he was played on the flank?
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 3 2012, 11:34 AM)
I don't know what actually happened on the final day of the transfer window, I don't think any of us do. All we an offer is speculation. What I do know is this however, that we were made to look like fools. What makes it worse is that reports are now suggesting that Rodgers is having an open rift with FSG, and we all know that spells trouble as the latter is all about the bottom line. What makes us look more like idiots now isn't that we are considering bringing in Owen or Drogba to resolve our striker shortage, it's that I've read unconfirmed reports suggesting that Rodgers is considering recalling Carroll from his loan spell!

Things are obviously not harmonious in the board room and I shudder to think that Rodger's reign may be the shortest in our history as he doesn't strike me as the sort to back down. FSG had initially pledged to get behind their man but it doesn't look like they've done that, have they?
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if i'm not mistaken the reason for the Dempsey issue is that the price quoted to us was more expensive than the price quoted to other teams. That and the buy young sell later bla bla etc. broken record. We did do some good pieces of business though, i.e shipping out deadwood. My love for Carroll aside, I felt sad for the guy, and hopefully he'll slot right in to West Ham and get his confidence up. Adam, I don't know, he just never fit in.

Tbh I think we left it waaayy too late on deadline day to get a replacement. Now we're looking at players out of contract to do what we should've done on transfer day 1.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 3 2012, 11:34 AM)
I don't know what actually happened on the final day of the transfer window, I don't think any of us do. All we an offer is speculation. What I do know is this however, that we were made to look like fools. What makes it worse is that reports are now suggesting that Rodgers is having an open rift with FSG, and we all know that spells trouble as the latter is all about the bottom line. What makes us look more like idiots now isn't that we are considering bringing in Owen or Drogba to resolve our striker shortage, it's that I've read unconfirmed reports suggesting that Rodgers is considering recalling Carroll from his loan spell!

Things are obviously not harmonious in the board room and I shudder to think that Rodger's reign may be the shortest in our history as he doesn't strike me as the sort to back down. FSG had initially pledged to get behind their man but it doesn't look like they've done that, have they?
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Exactly. My fear is that there will be another staging protest against the Yanks soon if we lose few more matches. Just like the one against Tommy and Gigi of the previous regime.

Then, we will be in a further decline. Sigh.
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QUOTE(sickx @ Sep 3 2012, 12:37 PM)
i thought Borini is an out and out striker. why he was played on the flank?
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I really want to see...

Sterling-Borini-Suarez upfront..
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 3 2012, 11:37 AM)
Exactly. My fear is that there will be another staging protest against the Yanks soon if we lose few more matches. Just like the one against Tommy and Gigi of the previous regime.

Then, we will be in a further decline. Sigh.
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Unfortunately for us, they're all businessmen first. Hacking off KD like that after a bad season kinda showed us that. But we can only hope they actually want to bring the Reds back up besides making a profit out of us.
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post Sep 3 2012, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 3 2012, 11:16 AM)
Sometimes I wonder why those Arabs bought Man City and PSG and not Liverpool. We are a bigger global brand than those 2 combined.
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Because they wanna show $ is everything. they want to let people know, with $, I can rise a club, even an unknown club. That what I thinking la. hmm.gif

QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 3 2012, 11:37 AM)
Exactly. My fear is that there will be another staging protest against the Yanks soon if we lose few more matches. Just like the one against Tommy and Gigi of the previous regime.

Then, we will be in a further decline. Sigh.
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Yea, that's what I worry also... If can't even win next PL match vs Sunderland, I really dunno how BR should face the fans, and owner. =/
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QUOTE(reehdus @ Sep 3 2012, 11:41 AM)
Unfortunately for us, they're all businessmen first. Hacking off KD like that after a bad season kinda showed us that. But we can only hope they actually want to bring the Reds back up besides making a profit out of us.
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That was why I dont believe money was an issue for them since they are able to sack Woy, then Kenny and pay all the compensation. Then sacking Clarke as well. It's just that they refuse to spend like a generous sugar daddy this time and they expect good results out of a miserly investment. However, fans like us are not that patient anymore. We no longer can tolerate a 5 year plan. We have far too many 5 year plan.
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 3 2012, 11:16 AM)
Sometimes I wonder why those Arabs bought Man City and PSG and not Liverpool. We are a bigger global brand than those 2 combined.
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IIRC, they did make an offer to buy from H&G before (is it Qatar or UAE, or Maybe Kuwait. One of the rich family there) but our board decided to take the offer from FSG.
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QUOTE(sickx @ Sep 3 2012, 11:37 AM)
i thought Borini is an out and out striker. why he was played on the flank?
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He play on the left of an attacking trident, so I don't think it's accurate to say he was on the flank. Against Arsenal, he repeated came in-field to a more central position, dragging Gibbs with him, which mean that Podolski had to track Glen Johnson, who was out wide whenever we went forward. I would however like to see him swap positions with Suarez as I feel the latter is better with his feet and creating whilst Borini is the type of player whose first instinct isn't to create like Suarez's is, but rather, to finish.

QUOTE(reehdus @ Sep 3 2012, 11:37 AM)
if i'm not mistaken the reason for the Dempsey issue is that the price quoted to us was more expensive than the price quoted to other teams. That and the buy young sell later bla bla etc. broken record. We did do some good pieces of business though, i.e shipping out deadwood. My love for Carroll aside, I felt sad for the guy, and hopefully he'll slot right in to West Ham and get his confidence up. Adam, I don't know, he just never fit in.

Tbh I think we left it waaayy too late on deadline day to get a replacement. Now we're looking at players out of contract to do what we should've done on transfer day 1.
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We did indeed. I think the Joe Allen acquisition is proving out to be a real coup. He was superb last night in his role at the back. He never lost possession and his passing was spot on. At one point towards the end as we were pushing forward, he brought the ball all the way up to the edge of the Arsenal box and danced past 2-3 defenders who were trying to get the ball off him. He's still only 22 so we need to hold on to this one. I'm thinking teams will come sniffing at the end of the season and maybe even as early as January.

Snubbing Dempsey may have been down to principle but given the stakes involved, one could also have put it down to stubbornness. I don't really blame Fulham for quoting us higher especially after we basically assumed he was already one, telling the media he was on his way.

QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 3 2012, 11:37 AM)
Exactly. My fear is that there will be another staging protest against the Yanks soon if we lose few more matches. Just like the one against Tommy and Gigi of the previous regime.

Then, we will be in a further decline. Sigh.
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Well the good thing is we aren't in debt so the situation isn't as dire but you're right, it looks like only a matter of time before fans direct their frustration some place and FSG are the obvious targets. The fans are smart enough to know that Rodger's wasn't going to build a title challenging side over night.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 3 2012, 11:54 AM)
He play on the left of an attacking trident, so I don't think it's accurate to say he was on the flank. Against Arsenal, he repeated came in-field to a more central position, dragging Gibbs with him, which mean that Podolski had to track Glen Johnson, who was out wide whenever we went forward. I would however like to see him swap positions with Suarez as I feel the latter is better with his feet and creating whilst Borini is the type of player whose first instinct isn't to create like Suarez's is, but rather, to finish.
We did indeed. I think the Joe Allen acquisition is proving out to be a real coup. He was superb last night in his role at the back. He never lost possession and his passing was spot on. At one point towards the end as we were pushing forward, he brought the ball all the way up to the edge of the Arsenal box and danced past 2-3 defenders who were trying to get the ball off him. He's still only 22 so we need to hold on to this one. I'm thinking teams will come sniffing at the end of the season and maybe even as early as January.

Snubbing Dempsey may have been down to principle but given the stakes involved, one could also have put it down to stubbornness. I don't really blame Fulham for quoting us higher especially after we basically assumed he was already one, telling the media he was on his way.
Well the good thing is we aren't in debt so the situation isn't as dire but you're right, it looks like only a matter of time before fans direct their frustration some place and FSG are the obvious targets. The fans are smart enough to know that Rodger's wasn't going to build a title challenging side over night.
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my thought on Borini as well. I felt Suarez is more suitable there while Borini in front. Suarez can drag the fullbacks to give our wingbacks space to supply the ball to center. However, since both our wing back is prone to attack this will make us vulnerable on counter attack as demonstrate by the Goons yesterday. The job to nullify this counter was supposed to be Lucas jobs but since he is out Allen have to take over. So far Allen is doing a good job there but I felt while his ball distribution is ace his tackling and ball winning is still behind Lucas. I also would like Stevie changes places with Allen because he has been poor on his current role so far. Make Gerard play deep because he still has that good vision and decision for that deadly through ball.

yeah, what I have read that loaning out Caroll and the failure to sign Dempsey/replacement is higher ups faults... not BR..

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QUOTE(farisq @ Sep 3 2012, 11:54 AM)
IIRC, they did make an offer to buy from H&G before (is it Qatar or UAE, or Maybe Kuwait. One of the rich family there) but our board decided to take the offer from FSG.
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I was once invited by friend to join those fellow fans who wanted to bid for the club so that the club will fall into the hand of the fans. Interesting idea. Each of us own like 0.01%. biggrin.gif

If we wanted to buy Edison Cavani for example, we each fork out $100 and combine the money to buy the player that we want. Not a bad idea, eh?
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I agree with what some of you said. My only criticism of Rodgers so far is that he has stubbornly stick with Suarez down the middle with Borini wide. I would prefer, if he swaps them round. Other than that, I can't really see too much wrong in what Rodgers had done since he took over. He has been very honest and forthcoming with all his press conference, and that is what I liked most about him. He takes no nonsense from anyone. If Rafa was the one who stood up against Hicks and Gillett, I believe Rodgers would be our man to stand up against FSG.

For the record, I don't think FSG has any bad intentions or anything, but I personally feel they are not capable of restoring us to our former glory. How do you rebuild a squad? You invest, you need to invest to improve. No need record breaking signings like Carroll deal, just good average price signings will be enough. But unfortunately, you get the impression that after the failure of last season signings, FSG has tighten the purse strings. I also get the impressions that FSG is willing to accept a poor performance this season so long as they don't waste money (Dempsey saga). They are business people all the way. Compare them with people like Roman Abramovich. Roman Abramovich is rich enough already, he don't need to make money through Chelsea. What he wants is to fulfill his passion to see his club winning. So who loves football more? I personally think people like Roman and the Sheikhs are more passionate about winning than the likes of FSG or Glazers at MU. We got the wrong type of owners sadly, that is my opinion.
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why u all only aim for short term glory? always shoot owners ask them invest this invest that.

overpay for carroll complain. dowan overpay for dempsey complain oso. 'fans' :/
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QUOTE(Yuka Yuka @ Sep 3 2012, 01:05 PM)
why u all only aim for short term glory? always shoot owners ask them invest this invest that.

overpay for carroll complain. dowan overpay for dempsey complain oso. 'fans' :/
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When human and human converse, complain is one of the ways to create interesting discussion. Imagine if everyone commented positively. "Everything is fine. We lose, fine. We dont get any players on D-Day, fine. We play terribly, fine", I think this forum will close down. LOL
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QUOTE(Yuka Yuka @ Sep 3 2012, 01:05 PM)
why u all only aim for short term glory? always shoot owners ask them invest this invest that.

overpay for carroll complain. dowan overpay for dempsey complain oso. 'fans' :/
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we complain cause owner always make the wrong decision which effect our beloved club
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QUOTE(boomer @ Sep 3 2012, 01:11 PM)
we complain cause owner always make the wrong decision which effect our beloved club
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there's truth to this. overpaying for carroll was a mistake. not overpaying for a proven finisher in dempsey (it's just 1-2M extra!) was a mistake
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QUOTE(reehdus @ Sep 3 2012, 01:14 PM)
there's truth to this. overpaying for carroll was a mistake. not overpaying for a proven finisher in dempsey (it's just 1-2M extra!) was a mistake
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If we are gonna talk about mistakes, we go a long way back. Back in Gerard Houllier's days, we were aiming for the up and coming Ronaldinho in 2001, before even the world know who heck he is. We were reluctant to pay $15 million to PSG. Then we refuse to pay $10.5 million to Sporting Lisbon to Cristiano Ronaldo in 2002 thinking it was too much. Then Samuel Eto'o actually begged GH to sign him instead of trying to land Djibril Cisse. I still remember the article "I am not as handsome as David Beckham but I am a better footballer than him". And Nicolas Anelka was actually settling down in Liverpool although on loan. We ended up getting Sinama Pongolle, Anthony Le Tallec, El-Hadji Diouf, Salif Diao and Bruno Cheyrou (future Zidane).

Then in 2006, Benitez thought Sergio Aguerro is a big risk and not worth the money and went on to sign Fernando Morientes.

Sigh... if those players have graced the Red shirt, wonder if we still be waiting for our 19th.
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QUOTE(redkop63 @ Sep 3 2012, 11:33 AM)

I can't forget those Benitez years where he single handedly destroyed defences and he was left alone to score most of the goals, and score he did and never a moment he moaned about it.

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Benitez years? More like Houllier's era
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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 3 2012, 01:25 PM)
If we are gonna talk about mistakes, we go a long way back. Back in Gerard Houllier's days, we were aiming for the up and coming Ronaldinho in 2001, before even the world know who heck he is. We were reluctant to pay $15 million to PSG. Then we refuse to pay $10.5 million to Sporting Lisbon to Cristiano Ronaldo in 2002 thinking it was too much. Then Samuel Eto'o actually begged GH to sign him instead of trying to land Djibril Cisse. I still remember the article "I am not as handsome as David Beckham but I am a better footballer than him". And Nicolas Anelka was actually settling down in Liverpool although on loan. We ended up getting Sinama Pongolle, Anthony Le Tallec, El-Hadji Diouf, Salif Diao and Bruno Cheyrou (future Zidane).

Then in 2006, Benitez thought Sergio Aguerro is a big risk and not worth the money and went on to sign Fernando Morientes.

Sigh... if those players have graced the Red shirt, wonder if we still be waiting for our 19th.
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You just had to go and remind me how we signed Diouf instead of C. Ronaldo.

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