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post Aug 29 2012, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(madmoz @ Aug 29 2012, 03:14 PM)
KD was a victim of expectations.

At the end of the day, it is all about results. We did win a trophy, got to the finals of another cup, qualified (only just though) for Europe and finish above Swansea.

Were we expecting more - yes, most definitely. Did the team, as a whole under perform - yes, very likely.

Did Swansea punch above their weight - again yes. But does one (or was it two) seasons of 'relative success' make BR a better manager?

Heck, people have short memories.

But we're going round and round in circles here. BR shows promise, but so did the other Mourinho protege who was hired and fired within a season. Tried to do too much, change too fast and we all know what transpired after that.
On a separate note, that loan signing we made - it comes with a 'buy at the end of the loan' option? I sure hope it's a 'try and buy' instead of a 'help my player grow and he will help you this season' sorta arrangement. Call me 'in denial' but having to loan players from other teams just doesn't sit well with me. Always thought that it was something midtable and relegation fodder teams did.  sad.gif
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I agree, I think KD was let go too early, but to be honest a lot of his/Comolli's buys were not cutting it. A lot of the feel good factor surrounding BR right now is due to the fact that he wasn't afraid to march right in and say, Henderson, Adam, Carroll, etc; I don't care how much we paid for you, you guys are warming the bench from now on. Granted, it's a lot easier to do when said buys are not your own, but a tough job nonetheless. What pained me at the end of last season was KD repeatedly trying to justify his buys by playing them instead of say, more consistent performers like Maxi and Kuyt.

As for the loan move, I guess we're running out of options, and we don't want to splurge on players who've had so little playing time to find out that they're crap I guess. We did it with Maxi and that sorta worked out. I can only hope it will too for Sahin
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post Aug 30 2012, 02:44 PM

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wow if this is true, rodgers is being really straight up about pushing off carroll:

http://www.london24.com/sport/west-ham/liv...arget_1_1498538?

But I’m not sure we are in a position to have £35m players as third-choice strikers or wingers who might be on £6m a year.

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post Aug 30 2012, 02:53 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Aug 30 2012, 02:49 PM)
It's true. He is surplus to requirement and his reluctance to leave is actually blocking several deals - potentially dempsey, walcott or sturridge.
BR had hope to gain some money from Spearing, Adam and Caroll sale.
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problem is i don't see much ROI in getting dempsey, correct me if i'm wrong but he's pretty old right? Sturridge and walcott? more midfielders?
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post Aug 30 2012, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(murishige @ Aug 30 2012, 04:53 PM)
Llorente?we can only dream. We dont even have money to buy Dempsey. Funds only available if we sell players first(Adam, Spearing, Cole). even we sell them all, its only 1/3 of Llorente fees.
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Llorente has a 30m buyout clause apparently, and I don't think we're gonna wanna spend 30m on another player again. Was just thinking about Sturridge. Before he got pushed to a right wing role, he was actually a pretty good forward at Chelsea and Bolton wasn't he?
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post Aug 30 2012, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(Cloud0890 @ Aug 30 2012, 04:55 PM)
Yeah Dempsey is 29 quoted at 10m. Walcott quoted at 15m. Even though I'm not a fan of Walcott but he is the better option here if the asking price can be lowered to in the region of 10m. He can give us that injection of pace we sorely need since Sterling is the only one who can provide that at the moment.
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Not sure how pacy Sahin and Assaidi are though. Right now I feel the genuine lack is a goalscorer.
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post Sep 3 2012, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 3 2012, 09:25 AM)
There are 2 choices in this situation after losing a match. Either you are sad about it or you joke about it. I think if you joke about it, you will be less moody.  biggrin.gif


Added on September 3, 2012, 9:26 amOk latest turn of events. We may sign Owen and Drogba.

Drogba will be good.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/footbal...ba-8101403.html
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Can we sign Drogba before Jan? Owen's a Bosman, but Drogba is still on contract with Shenhua right?
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post Sep 3 2012, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 3 2012, 10:17 AM)
Very good point. I was gutted as well. When Caroll was gone, I thought Demps gonna finally arrive. Poor decision. It was always about the money for the Yankees from the start. As I always said, they are not here to throw their money like oil rich Arabs.

There is good and bad in the way they do business. In a positive note, Liverpool will always be financially stable but on a negative side, we will need to take a lot of gambles. I'm not pleased with the Yanks but I am not blaming them either. We dont want to end up like Leeds, victim of their own greed for success.
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Actually I agree with some of the reasons brought up by the owners as well. We shouldn't be paying for stopgap solutions like Dempsey/Drog/Owen. These guys have at the most 2-3 years left in them, compared to the rest of the team. We have so much cover for both Carra and Gerrard because they're on their last legs. Similarly, we don't want an aging strike force, whether or not they are good. The philosophy Fenway has been showing is a good one, build from the ground up with young talent, and as much as it pains me that we're screwed atm, it's something worth looking at if you ask me.


QUOTE(boomer @ Sep 3 2012, 10:26 AM)
haih...carrol had his touch on all 3 west ham goals before he got injured yet our so called manager thinks he doesnt fit into his tika taka kiki lala kit kat football "philosophy"...and now we only have suarez who cant finish a simple goals and can only score wonder goals...we're in big trouble
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We didn't buy carroll for 35M for him to have his touch in all our goals. We bought him to score them.
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post Sep 3 2012, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Sep 3 2012, 11:34 AM)
I don't know what actually happened on the final day of the transfer window, I don't think any of us do. All we an offer is speculation. What I do know is this however, that we were made to look like fools. What makes it worse is that reports are now suggesting that Rodgers is having an open rift with FSG, and we all know that spells trouble as the latter is all about the bottom line. What makes us look more like idiots now isn't that we are considering bringing in Owen or Drogba to resolve our striker shortage, it's that I've read unconfirmed reports suggesting that Rodgers is considering recalling Carroll from his loan spell!

Things are obviously not harmonious in the board room and I shudder to think that Rodger's reign may be the shortest in our history as he doesn't strike me as the sort to back down. FSG had initially pledged to get behind their man but it doesn't look like they've done that, have they?
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if i'm not mistaken the reason for the Dempsey issue is that the price quoted to us was more expensive than the price quoted to other teams. That and the buy young sell later bla bla etc. broken record. We did do some good pieces of business though, i.e shipping out deadwood. My love for Carroll aside, I felt sad for the guy, and hopefully he'll slot right in to West Ham and get his confidence up. Adam, I don't know, he just never fit in.

Tbh I think we left it waaayy too late on deadline day to get a replacement. Now we're looking at players out of contract to do what we should've done on transfer day 1.
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post Sep 3 2012, 11:41 AM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 3 2012, 11:37 AM)
Exactly. My fear is that there will be another staging protest against the Yanks soon if we lose few more matches. Just like the one against Tommy and Gigi of the previous regime.

Then, we will be in a further decline. Sigh.
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Unfortunately for us, they're all businessmen first. Hacking off KD like that after a bad season kinda showed us that. But we can only hope they actually want to bring the Reds back up besides making a profit out of us.
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post Sep 3 2012, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(boomer @ Sep 3 2012, 01:11 PM)
we complain cause owner always make the wrong decision which effect our beloved club
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there's truth to this. overpaying for carroll was a mistake. not overpaying for a proven finisher in dempsey (it's just 1-2M extra!) was a mistake
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post Sep 3 2012, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(Petre @ Sep 3 2012, 01:57 PM)
well, looks like CR is not happy at RM.
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happy or not he's not gonna come here...lol
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post Sep 3 2012, 02:08 PM

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an excerpt of an article on soccernet:

But there was a problem in the first 45 minutes for the Reds -- their talisman, Steven Gerrard. While Rodgers wants Liverpool to play possession-based football, Gerrard still desires fast breaks. Where Rodgers sees short passes, Gerrard envisions longer ones. Too many times, quick interchanges were snuffed out not by Arsenal's pressure but by Gerrard's poor touch or inability to stick to the game plan.

In short, he looked out of place, a square peg in a round hole. He did become more effective in the second half once Rodgers moved him up closer to Luis Suarez, presumably so that Liverpool's buildup play in the midfield wouldn't lose momentum. We saw Gerrard hit a nice ball into the box from the right side in the 64th minute and a beautiful one-touch redirect pass to Suarez in the 86th minute. Overall, though, you have to wonder how Gerrard will fit into this Liverpool side over the long term.


I have to agree a bit, Gerrard's game during West Brom and now Arsenal, seems a bit off his usual standards.

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post Sep 3 2012, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(dillonyong @ Sep 3 2012, 04:14 PM)
It's useful to look back at the mistakes we made (though I hope the management does that). The point is, whenever we have the money, we were wasteful. We cannot keep affording multi-million pounds mistake.


Added on September 3, 2012, 4:16 pm

Shenhua is currently having board trouble. It seems that they cant honor the wages which will naturally make the contract null and void. Still waiting for further development on this. If it happens, then Drog becomes free agent.
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In which I case I hope we grab both Owen and Drog. I don't think they're the solution we need, but they can be what we need right now
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post Sep 3 2012, 09:15 PM

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soccernet is as good as a source as any, so there you have it folks:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...-monday?cc=4716

'liverpool to hold talks with michael owen on monday'

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post Sep 3 2012, 09:31 PM

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one of the comments there was interesting though, is it time to promote morgan instead of seeking a solution elsewhere? mellor had his time in the limelight not too long ago too if u guys remember

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post Sep 3 2012, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(twtang @ Sep 3 2012, 10:53 PM)
If only we have choice, unless we go on like this till Jan.
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I say promote the youngsters. Owen is a temporary measure. He'll not one last one full game before twisting a knee

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