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rachy
post Feb 20 2013, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Feb 20 2013, 02:59 PM)
Switched to what fund? Bond fund? Purpose?
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I'm thinking to change to equity fund by other fund house- either Hwang or kenanga. I have enough bond funds already smile.gif

Wise to redeem all of PITTIKAL? Or should keep some?
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post Feb 20 2013, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(rachy @ Feb 20 2013, 03:13 PM)
I'm thinking to change to equity fund by other fund house- either Hwang or kenanga. I have enough bond funds already smile.gif

Wise to redeem all of PITTIKAL? Or should keep some?
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If you're satisfied with the return, just redeem it.

Personally speaking, I'm expecting a volatile movement in local equities till end of GE13.
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post Feb 20 2013, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(birdman13200 @ Feb 19 2013, 08:54 PM)
Few month ago, I did some study and finalize some target fund, but I din buy due to not match my portfolio.

PDSF
PFSF
PIDF
PRSF
PSSF

Pls take it as suggestion, study urself n select what suit ur portfolio.
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I'm having PDSF, PFSF, PSSF, PRSF and PIDF. Hey..that is exactly like what you shortlisted above. Wow..what a coincidence.
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post Feb 20 2013, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Feb 20 2013, 04:09 PM)
I'm having PDSF, PFSF, PSSF, PRSF and PIDF. Hey..that is exactly like what you shortlisted above. Wow..what a coincidence.
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Bad allocation, as your funds are mainly domestic market of the same asset class and of the same benchmark. You are not benefiting from diversification.

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post Feb 20 2013, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(rachy @ Feb 20 2013, 02:18 PM)
Thanks for all the info! smile.gif

Yep really regret purchasing PCSF, but was young and stupid that time and just listen to the consultant. Now waiting for even a small miracle so that I can recover at least some of my losses.

You guys think its a smart idea to switch out half or all of my PITTIKAL units to other UT?
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QUOTE(rachy @ Feb 20 2013, 03:13 PM)
I'm thinking to change to equity fund by other fund house- either Hwang or kenanga. I have enough bond funds already smile.gif

Wise to redeem all of PITTIKAL? Or should keep some?
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Without knowing further about your financial means and trend of savings, it is best to say that a similar fund like Islamic Dividends is better fund than Public Ittikal (based on past performances of the funds.) How much to switch? Only you would know best.

Only thing that matters is the switching charge and how cost effective it would be to switch one time or to split the switch to several times. Look up my previous post on switching costs.

What I can safely say is that your funds are relatively conservative; and possibly planned for a long term investment. The thing that threw in the spanner into the plan is that PCSF. It is an aggressive & volatile fund.

Maybe the initial idea of a "balanced" portfolio is a combination of some very conservative bond funds, mix in a couple of moderate equity funds and add in an aggressive fund. A nice cocktail. Only problem with the drink is that it tasted really bad because of a wrong ingredient - PCSF.

Maybe it is about time to junk it and switch to another foreign equity fund like Public SEA or Far-East Property, instead of waiting for a miracle to happen. Maybe a miracle has had already happened! Since 1st July 2012, it already increased by 11%. Will it go up or down from today, your guess is as good as mine.

Even if we believed that the economy in the ASEAN and Asia region will improve for the rest of the year and the next several years, and all boats will rise by the tide - but take note that all boats are not build the same, some will rise higher, and those with holes will have difficulty to rise!

P.S. Take note of service charges if you exit and enter into another fund house. If you're into UT for the long term, maybe better to stick to one company to built up the savings - there is usually a minimal amount of investment where the switching fee is waived.

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post Feb 20 2013, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Feb 20 2013, 05:56 PM)
Without knowing further about your financial means and trend of savings, it is best to say that a similar fund like Islamic Dividends is better fund than Public Ittikal (based on past performances of the funds.) How much to switch? Only you would know best.

Only thing that matters is the switching charge and how cost effective it would be to switch one time or to split the switch to several times. Look up my previous post on switching costs.

What I can safely say is that your funds are relatively conservative; and possibly planned for a long term investment. The thing that threw in the spanner into the plan is that PCSF. It is an aggressive & volatile fund.

Maybe the initial idea of a "balanced" portfolio is a combination of some very conservative bond funds, mix in a couple of moderate equity funds and add in an aggressive fund. A nice cocktail. Only problem with the drink is that it tasted really bad because of a wrong ingredient - PCSF.

Maybe it is about time to junk it and switch to another foreign equity fund like Public SEA or Far-East Property, instead of waiting for a miracle to happen. Maybe a miracle has had already happened! Since 1st July 2012, it already increased by 11%. Will it go up or down from today, your guess is as good as mine.

Even if we believed that the economy in the ASEAN and Asia region will improve for the rest of the year and the next several years, and all boats will rise by the tide - but take note that all boats are not build the same, some will rise higher, and those with holes will have difficulty to rise!

P.S. Take note of service charges if you exit and enter into another fund house. If you're into UT for the long term, maybe better to stick to one company to built up the savings - there is usually a minimal amount of investment where the switching fee is waived.
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thumbup.gif well said and good strategic. thumbup.gif
UT is long term, becoz we paying the fund manager to monitor and study to made a good choise.

Sometime Fund not perfect when come to greedy/chasing market.
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post Feb 20 2013, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Feb 20 2013, 04:09 PM)
I'm having PDSF, PFSF, PSSF, PRSF and PIDF. Hey..that is exactly like what you shortlisted above. Wow..what a coincidence.
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I listed this as a shortlisted fund for Malaysia equity, not to have it all. Like xuzen say, u should diversify ur porifolio.
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post Feb 20 2013, 11:34 PM

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Hi rachy,

interesting...you do monthly top up...even on PCSF, the DCA method is not working since 2007 until now? as in you already do monthly top up for 5-6 years and still big loss?

so i guess the PCSF is a one-off isolated case, as you said, the other funds are doing quite OK right?

i'm starting to do DCA now and your comment hold me back off a bit.... and make me think again on the DCA method...
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thanks.

QUOTE(rachy @ Feb 19 2013, 07:12 PM)
Hi everyone!

I'm currently holding these funds since 2007 or 2008:

PSBF
PEBF
PIEBF
PCSF
PITTIKAL

I do monthly top up for most of them. However, PCSF consistently going down and i'm making a big loss now. Even PITTIKAL not doing so well. But the rest are good. When I first started to invest in 2007 was very young and just relied on PM consultant. Now totally regret and already keeping track myself now.

Would like to seek your advice here on what I should keep and what I should get out of now and some advice to what into?

Thanks smile.gif
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post Feb 21 2013, 02:08 AM

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I want to start with 50k and contribute rm800 monthly for the next 3 years. My risk appetite is high. Which would any of you recommend?

This post has been edited by pgkia8: Feb 21 2013, 11:18 AM
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post Feb 21 2013, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(birdman13200 @ Feb 20 2013, 08:09 PM)
I listed this as a shortlisted fund for Malaysia equity, not to have it all. Like xuzen say, u should diversify ur porifolio.
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Yah. I'm bad at this. Learning to diversify with FSM but I'm quite exposed also. I still have FD, PM UT, FSM UT, US stocks, Gold. Maybe no real estate yet.
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post Feb 21 2013, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(rachy @ Feb 20 2013, 03:13 PM)
I'm thinking to change to equity fund by other fund house- either Hwang or kenanga. I have enough bond funds already smile.gif

Wise to redeem all of PITTIKAL? Or should keep some?
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If you have earned enough from PITTIKAL, you can either redeem it or switch your units to BOND.

With the coming GE, it's better to be more conservative.
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post Feb 21 2013, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(guanteik @ Feb 21 2013, 11:53 AM)
If you have earned enough from PITTIKAL, you can either redeem it or switch your units to BOND.

With the coming GE, it's better to be more conservative.
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any particular bond fund for short period ?
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QUOTE(pgkia8 @ Feb 21 2013, 02:08 AM)
I want to start with 50k and contribute rm800 monthly for the next 3 years. My risk appetite is high. Which would any of you recommend?
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Perhaps china market
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post Feb 21 2013, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(andrewleewaikeong @ Feb 21 2013, 02:42 PM)
Perhaps china market
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high risk, not death-defying risk... china market is like swimming with sharks...

and Public Mutual is big shark or fish food? wink.gif

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post Feb 21 2013, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(TANNY @ Feb 21 2013, 11:12 PM)
Sifu here, how to sell the Public Mutual fund thru Public Mutual online login?  tongue.gif
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Repurchase menu.
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post Feb 21 2013, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(andrewleewaikeong @ Feb 21 2013, 02:42 PM)
Perhaps china market
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Did that 5 years ago i think with PCSF, made some profits. But i have friends who did not sell till today and were at a loss. Dont think its a good idea to go into China's market.

You simply tembak or?
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post Feb 22 2013, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(pgkia8 @ Feb 21 2013, 11:57 PM)
Did that 5 years ago i think with PCSF, made some profits. But i have friends who did not sell till today and were at a loss. Dont think its a good idea to go into China's market.

You simply tembak or?
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If you bought during the initial period and didn't do any top up, of course it's still a loss as of today.

IPO NAV: 0.2500
NAV as of 20th February: 0.1634

Simple ROI: -34.64%

It was extremely not a good idea to enter to into China at that time because as I did mention earlier; it was HSI very peak moment. Few weeks ago, global equities went haywire and all hell started to break loose.

If I have a crystal ball at that time, I won't be touching China fund and if everybody knows that wave will be waving, guess everybody will be a millionaire today!

Just get over the China thing.

1. Hold it and wait miracle to happen
2. DDI it to bring down average unit cost
3. Stop loss and fully redeem it
4. Switch out to a better performing fund

PM has no credible experience in managing China related fund. This can be seen in all their China related funds performance as opposed to other fund houses.

A side note is that all fund houses are optimism with China market for the next 3 years. You can place a bet and ride to this wave for a potential uptick trend as the valuation of China market is low and very attractive.

Stop whining around and move forward by learning from mistake!


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post Feb 22 2013, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(birdman13200 @ Feb 20 2013, 08:09 PM)
I listed this as a shortlisted fund for Malaysia equity, not to have it all. Like xuzen say, u should diversify ur porifolio.
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Someone said PM is jaguh kampung, they don't do well with other regions. Would think twice to diversify in PM rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(kimyee73 @ Feb 22 2013, 08:13 AM)
Someone said PM is jaguh kampung, they don't do well with other regions. Would think twice to diversify in PM  rclxub.gif
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Some of their offshore fund are quite good.

PSEASF for instance.



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