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post Feb 19 2013, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Feb 19 2013, 11:12 AM)
yala i got take the advice.. Now more knowledge abit so got rough plan liao. My money in gold just parking there and now focus on mutual fund for long term.

But when analyze my public mutual like so many yrs still rugi then ask some advice what i do wrong lo. So i should monitor the price and buy when low la just like play share?
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Hi WintersuN,

Dou still remember how much you invest initial ? do you top-up transaction in between. I also hv PFEPRF, no rugi..... nod.gif




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post Feb 19 2013, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Feb 19 2013, 04:29 PM)
If you're talking about number of units, of course is gain.. but when translate to real money im still losing few hundred ringgit.
I invest rm3k.. cant remember the exact units.. then din do any top up. Just leave it there.

U got top up regularly?
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Yes i got topup not regulary but yearly to differnt fund after declare distribution.

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post Feb 19 2013, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Feb 19 2013, 04:41 PM)
maybe my mistake is cos no top up... from now start gonna top up regularly every month as my strategy
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Even didnt do toup, you didnt loose-with current price 18/2/2013 NAV 0.3177 today. Are we refering the same fund name ?

this one i keep track each time the fund declare distribution. SO i can know how much it fluctuate and %.

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post Feb 19 2013, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Feb 19 2013, 04:50 PM)
I think shud be same la.. Im sure is public mutual far east

My latest update is based on the statement of 202 that I check yesterday. maybe if next statement come will be profit. But considering 6 yrs the profit not really much? hmm.gif

This is equity fund right? I plan to invest rm500 every month here for maybe 15 years. What u think of my strategy? Or should I invest shorter duration..

How u plan to exit? Like maybe continue until retire or reach your target then u exit?
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I didnt plant to exit :-
1) The time i buying a house - i need to made sure my investment not fluctuate too much with equities - (as my emergency fund if im out of jobs.)

2) becoz i afraid of Euro Debt and US Financial Crisis, i move most $$$ to Bond fund. now im 75% bond fund and 25% Equity fund.


Now regreat...fly high...juz wait for right time move back my bond fund to equities slowly.

Now i cant wait what GE13 damage will made to KLCI. rclxub.gif
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post Feb 19 2013, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Feb 19 2013, 04:59 PM)
wasting time..
1. Dunno exactly what fund U have (see above - first said Public Far East Properties & Resorts, now say Public Mutual Far East... where got such animal?)

2. Dunno exactly what U are tracking
Firs U said " I checked the price at bought time and NAV is 0.25"
Now NAV is more than that - even if units didnt grow (distribution), how to be loss?
http://www.publicmutual.com.my/application.../fundprice.aspx - NAV was 0.3177 for PFEPRF IF your very first post was correct

3. Dunno exactly how U are tracking
NAV * units held now = Value Held Now
Cost Paid - Value Held Now = Profit / Loss
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what did U use for calculation?

Like fellow forumer stated - U are cooking BS. I'd personally say just plain daft doh.gif
Sorry to be so blunt - i think FD SHOULD work for U. Nothing more changgih else confusing
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post Feb 19 2013, 05:26 PM

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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Feb 19 2013, 05:09 PM)
Im not make story la.. pls belif me..

1. Its Public far east la.. I go back and check again.
2. As i explain above, i say rugi is cos I check based on last year 2012 statement. If NAV now is 0.3177 then of cos if profit.
3. Exactly like your calculation. Maybe cos the statement that I check NAV last year statement is still low so create the confusion. Sorry
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You go back to check. let us know. we want to analzye..what the problem.

my 2sen..tomorow i tink wongmunkeong already cool down able to explain to you.



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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Feb 19 2013, 05:33 PM)
hehe - gomenasai  notworthy.gif
frustrated coz trying to understand what is the prob and solving the prob.
Prob keeps changing coz statement of fact wasn't factitious laugh.gif

Anyhow, that donkey statement WinterSun referred to must be end 2011 or before March 2012
coz based on my historical NAVs for PFEPRF,
by 28/02/2012 its NAV already 0.2509
and never came down lower than that from 28/02/2012 onwards.

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QUOTE(ay@m @ Feb 19 2013, 05:55 PM)
anyone knows why bond funds are performing bad for the past 1 year? the return is like almost the same as FD !
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QE3 for cheap money and Interest rate/BLR not so high.

Cheap money and low interest made the company prefer to borrow from bank rather issue a new bond.

No demand...then no market.

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post Feb 19 2013, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Feb 19 2013, 08:18 PM)
Guys, please don't complain over PCSF. PCSF and other China funds are mainly launched at the wrong timing when HSI was at very peak.

I have switched my PCSF to PSMALLCAP and with PSMALLCAP, it gives a decent return not but still can't cover my PCSF losses.

One of my friend just sold off his PCSF before CNY.

Either you keep it, switch it or sell it.
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thumbup.gif Good advice, i also hv PCSF.

Topup every month 2007-2009. Oncer breakeven switch to other fund.
Now left left rm1k++, waiting for miracle.
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Feb 19 2013, 09:47 PM)
Ya already check its FAr east property and resorts. So i guess gonna start top up every month now thnx smile.gif

I wanna ask how u guys choose portfolio of funds? Is it based on type of funds like equity, bond, balance, etc? or really see wat kind of company they invest in?
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I share mine: Other sifu may hv different thought.
1) Market study - study infor/overwhelming ppl are investing maybe about telco/ reits / finance/ Dividend/ smallcap / Country- are working good
2) review pass history of the fund - fund performance well in history you may like to take the bet it will go up to the peak when it fall down during crisis.
3) fund distribution date - i will toup after the day the distribution given - becoz to realize gain the NAV require to wait to go up. Then consider of Tax from distribution and the time crisis you want to switch. I prefer to see Nav to go up, not other way wait to go back NAV i buy.
4) The fund NAV below 0.25- my preference topup, dont need to worry which fund at peak.
5) New fund/Campaign -low service charge- then the unit i hv will be more.


For Equity/ Balance / Bond is up to each individual type risk and return.


thumbup.gif Hope this can help with my sharing..... nod.gif my sharing not the best for other - but fact how i choose buing fund. thumbup.gif

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post Feb 20 2013, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Feb 20 2013, 05:56 PM)
Without knowing further about your financial means and trend of savings, it is best to say that a similar fund like Islamic Dividends is better fund than Public Ittikal (based on past performances of the funds.) How much to switch? Only you would know best.

Only thing that matters is the switching charge and how cost effective it would be to switch one time or to split the switch to several times. Look up my previous post on switching costs.

What I can safely say is that your funds are relatively conservative; and possibly planned for a long term investment. The thing that threw in the spanner into the plan is that PCSF. It is an aggressive & volatile fund.

Maybe the initial idea of a "balanced" portfolio is a combination of some very conservative bond funds, mix in a couple of moderate equity funds and add in an aggressive fund. A nice cocktail. Only problem with the drink is that it tasted really bad because of a wrong ingredient - PCSF.

Maybe it is about time to junk it and switch to another foreign equity fund like Public SEA or Far-East Property, instead of waiting for a miracle to happen. Maybe a miracle has had already happened! Since 1st July 2012, it already increased by 11%. Will it go up or down from today, your guess is as good as mine.

Even if we believed that the economy in the ASEAN and Asia region will improve for the rest of the year and the next several years, and all boats will rise by the tide - but take note that all boats are not build the same, some will rise higher, and those with holes will have difficulty to rise!

P.S. Take note of service charges if you exit and enter into another fund house. If you're into UT for the long term, maybe better to stick to one company to built up the savings - there is usually a minimal amount of investment where the switching fee is waived.
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thumbup.gif well said and good strategic. thumbup.gif
UT is long term, becoz we paying the fund manager to monitor and study to made a good choise.

Sometime Fund not perfect when come to greedy/chasing market.
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QUOTE(guanteik @ Feb 21 2013, 11:53 AM)
If you have earned enough from PITTIKAL, you can either redeem it or switch your units to BOND.

With the coming GE, it's better to be more conservative.
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any particular bond fund for short period ?
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HI xuzen,

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Personally I don't use DCA on my own portfolio because I have a set parameter to enter and exit.


hmm.gif Are you meanz you do buy/sell every time to your unit trust fund?
notworthy.gif Forgive me, juz maybe my interpretation wrong. notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Mar 9 2013, 02:10 PM)
No, not at all. I don't buy/sell.

Since I am at the accumulation phase, I buy more than I sell.

What I am trying to achieve is to buy at the low or during the downtrend since my I am a defensive/dividend type investor.

I don't really care much about capital gain, to me that is a bonus. But I am more concern with dividend which I reinvest. I build my wealth this way.

Xuzen
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Oic..after you sell, where you keep your money before any downturn? Juz curios

what is the NAV for the downtrend for you ?

Not every time PM fund hv downtrend when got then all the fund in the same scenario/momentum.

Or you downtrend after the distribution?
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QUOTE(s.kickin @ Mar 9 2013, 02:47 PM)
Hi Xuzen,

Sorry for interruption. Would like to ask whether you will going buy (add unit) in the same fund again after unit declared the dividend?

Thanks.
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Hi s.kickin

UT dont give dividend but distribution, the reason you may see NAV drop after the distribution date..

For me persoanlly i prefer topup fund after distribution, i dont like to see fund NAV go down when then coming distibution.
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QUOTE(s.kickin @ Mar 9 2013, 03:19 PM)
Felix,

Is this normal practise after the distribution for many people there?
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Im not sure other Sifu pratice, this is my way. notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Mar 9 2013, 06:03 PM)
I told Felix the same too, we simply cannot bet (well, UTs are not for betting at the first place shakehead.gif ) like this, UTs are not like individual stocks where u can employ technical analysis to establish entry/exit points. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Mar 9 2013, 05:42 PM)
one way to die standing too!  laugh.gif

cannot simply throw money on bets like this leh... betting on NAV price alone will sure die standing...

".... touching the lower limit of Bollinger band and when the Fast MA cross the Slow MA from the top. "

Above quote is from a master sifu... 2 pages or so back...

My rookie way is enter when fast moving average crossed slow MA from the bottom and 'ride the bull till I dropped/fainted/scared/whatever'.  tongue.gif
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notworthy.gif Im not bet MY aplogize but im long term keeping 3years notworthy.gif
I hv several fund(Diversify) at Public Mutual & OSKUOB which hv different Financial Date. (Distribution declare if got on that year)

Im doing DCA, i wont periodicaly topup on ONE particluar Fund for whole year, except it below inital NAV, like PCSF.
My topup mostly once for that fund per year, but my topup will put at different egg fund.


For me persoanlly if the fund declared distirbution i will put my topup on that fund during the time i hv money
While some fund are coming to declare distribuiton for the coming month then my next plan for toping will on that fund.

If i dont hv appetited for Fund(Bond or Equity) then my saving will accumulation for stock.


Another reason im type buy low risk, i not interest to chase flying high fund NAV and especially near to distribution date( after the distibution NAV will lower), becoz i know it will take me more then 6 month the fund move back the cost i topup and incase any crisis happen i wont see the NAV back to price i topup. Fund and Stock work differently where stock once are good can fly above and it wont back to the price of the IPO especially those old old stock like DuthLady,Nestle, Panamy, etc, while fund go HIGH when the GOOD TIME and LOW when BAD time back to intial NAV.


Currently i hv 5 fund at PM, 1-fund using EPF at PM & 1 fund at OSKUOB. Im not greedy to hv more then 12 fund, becoz i know when come the time i want to topup i will struggle which fund shld allocated. Im simple mind topup 1 fund at the 1 time, i not fancy to break my money$$ to put at severaly fund at the same time.

I believe PM will create new fund then the price at inital NAV, then i preference look for new opportunity when all the fund are HIGH in Good time. BAd time the stock value drop same to ppl panic cash out from the fund, then the NAV will drop to Initial NAV (example PRSF)

notworthy.gif Forgive me , that how i do my investment strategic at PM notworthy.gif


Hi j.passing.by,
How you do TA using Bollinger on Public Mutual ? I didnt know any software and TA can apply on FUND. hmm.gif

Can share...i would like know. thumbup.gif


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post Mar 12 2013, 06:29 PM

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QUOTE(Malformed @ Mar 12 2013, 05:15 PM)
Can we know when a fund distribution is about to commence? I read from FSM magazine on why NAV's will drop when fund distribution are given out. Although the NAV will climb back, isn't it good that we sell before distribution date (or I think is called ex-date) and enter right after distribution? Besides, it's mentioned the fund will still receive distribution although you sell it before ex-date.
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Do you consider service charge of everytime buying back.
The gain % would be less than putting FD or even loss doh.gif



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QUOTE(lazybump_nonsense @ Mar 29 2013, 04:22 PM)
How to check MGQP guys? I can't check it through PMO
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i believe must add up ownself at each Account Details Fund. Not mistaken last time can see one....
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QUOTE(WintersuN @ Mar 29 2013, 04:51 PM)
Any method to top up pb funds without going counter?
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you can topup using
1) public bank internet bank directly deduct you Public Bank saving account
2) public mutul online - able to deduct saving account from other bank etc CIMB and Maybank.

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