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post Aug 19 2013, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Aug 19 2013, 05:06 PM)
No fund can be so bad like CSF!  biggrin.gif
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post Aug 19 2013, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Aug 19 2013, 05:08 PM)
rclxms.gif very confident  rclxms.gif
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no, have to be cautious with Indo Select. But don't compare to CSF.

CSF was the best and fastest horse in the last 4 weeks with over 6% gains. I bought it when it first opened, promotion discount also no good doh.gif , if I'm still holding it, would still be losing 30%. as NAV price only 0.1702 laugh.gif


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post Aug 19 2013, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Aug 19 2013, 05:18 PM)
no, have to be cautious with Indo Select. But don't compare to CSF.

CSF was the best and fastest horse in the last 4 weeks with over 6% gains. I bought it when it first opened, promotion discount also no good  doh.gif , if I'm still holding it, would still be losing 30%. as NAV price only 0.1702  laugh.gif
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really..i cant remeber..becoz i left rm1k into this fund.....

I do one crazy thing..during 2008 financial crisis..keep topup CSF...then after 2011 move everthing to bond fund.
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post Aug 19 2013, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Aug 19 2013, 05:21 PM)
really..i cant remeber..becoz i left rm1k into this fund.....

I do one crazy thing..during 2008 financial crisis..keep topup CSF...then after 2011 move  everthing to bond fund.
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that's nothing crazy about topping up when a fund is going down... cannot beat my top up at 0.2867. thumbup.gif
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post Aug 19 2013, 05:37 PM

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Wow.. Indonesia, crazy!
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that's nothing crazy about topping up when a fund is going down... cannot beat my top up at 0.2867.  thumbup.gif
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i dont buy fund above 0.25sen NAV....i try to strike new fund..or fund below the 0.25NAV

After above 0.25NAV..move to BOND FUND already..waiting for KABBOM to strike..pray hard BOND fund no kaboom like equities fund.

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Indonesia market outlook:

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INDONESIA – 2.5 STARS (NEUTRAL)

• Exports contracted by -4.5% y-o-y in May 13 after a downward-revised -8.7% plunge in Apr 13
• Import contracted by -2.2% y-o-y in May 13 after an upward-revised -2.8% decline in Apr 13
• The trade balance deficit shrunk to -USD 590m in May 13, up from a downward-revised deficit of -USD 1.7 billion in Apr 13
• Consumer Confidence Index rose to117.1 points in Jun 13, up from May 13’s 111.7 reading
• HSBC Indonesia Markit Manufacturing Purchasing Managers’ Index slipped to 51.0 points in Jun 13 from 51.6 in May 13
• Consumer Price Index rose to 5.9% y-o-y growth in Jun 13, up from 5.47% in May 13
• Total local auto sales in Jun 13 was 104,265 units, up from 99,568 units in May 13
• Total motorcycle sales in Jun 13 was 659,504 units, down from 664,668 units in May 13
• Bank Indonesia Reference rate hiked 50bps to 6.50%
• Foreign reserves fell from USD 105.2 billion in May 13 to USD 98.1 billion in Jun 13


URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.hk/hk/main/ar..._HK_AUG_FSM.pdf (page 10)
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QUOTE(felixmask @ Aug 19 2013, 05:43 PM)
i dont buy fund above 0.25sen NAV....i try to strike new fund..or fund below the 0.25NAV

After above 0.25NAV..move to BOND FUND already..waiting for KABBOM to strike..pray hard BOND fund no kaboom like equities fund.
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IMHO, currently, after all the previous mistakes I make, my buying criteria is opposite to above. My previous posts on a quick list of funds based on ranking them according to their NAV price, still applies.

In all seriousness, the selection was NOT based solely on NAV price. There is a key word "core funds" which I left out in the previous posts.

What are "core funds"? As implied by the word itself, it is a set of funds that formed the core part of a portfolio.

Where to find the core funds? Within the range of NAV prices as given in the previous posts. They would hardly be below the 0.25 debut mark. Below 0.25 are either new funds or poor performing funds.

Though Indo Select would never be a core part of my portfolio, I might possibly be putting a percentage on it for an extraordinary gain (if the situation warrants it); but I would be looking at the index, NOT the NAV price, for an entry point.

Jakarta index closed at 4,314 today, -5.58%. The buying point I would set would be something like below 4,200 and I would ignore whatever is its NAV price at that time.

And if Indo Select is a good fund (performing well against its benchmark, etc. etc.), all the more reason to ignore its NAV price. Waiting for it to drop below 0.25, could be a very long wait that could never come.

Cheers. Happy hunting.

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post Aug 19 2013, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Aug 19 2013, 07:09 PM)
IMHO, currently, after all the previous mistakes I make, my buying criteria is opposite to above. My previous posts on a quick list of funds based on ranking them according to their NAV price, still applies.

In all seriousness, the selection was NOT based solely on NAV price. There is a key word "core funds" which I left out in the previous posts.

What are "core funds"? As implied by the word itself, it is a set of funds that formed the core part of a portfolio.

Where to find the core funds? Within the range of NAV prices as given in the previous posts. They would hardly be below the 0.25 debut mark. Below 0.25 are either new funds or poor performing funds.

Though Indo Select would never be a core part of my portfolio, I might possibly be putting a percentage on it for an extraordinary gain (if the situation warrants it); but I would be looking at the index, NOT the NAV price, for an entry point.

Jakarta index closed at 4,314 today, -5.58%. The buying point I would set would be something like below 4,200 and I would ignore whatever is its NAV price at that time.

And if Indo Select is a good fund (performing well against its benchmark, etc. etc.), all the more reason to ignore its NAV price. Waiting for it to drop below 0.25, could be a very long wait that could never come.

Cheers. Happy hunting.
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you not need to follow me, becoz the time i invest was during 2007/2008 Financial Crisis when all the fund in PM below NAV like PRSF, PSEAF, PFEPF and etc.

After the fund move NAV 0.25 i reluctant to invest more in PM now day except new fund. This my practice becoz sometime i didn't keep track the fund i purchase.


You correct it wont happen until crisis come again. By the way im not so urgent to made money now, juz wait for opportunity in my bond fund.



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QUOTE(felixmask @ Aug 19 2013, 09:17 PM)
you not need to follow me, becoz the time i invest was during 2007/2008 Financial Crisis when all the fund in PM below NAV like PRSF, PSEAF, PFEPF and etc.

After the fund move NAV 0.25 i reluctant to invest more in PM now day except new fund. This my practice becoz sometime i didn't keep track the fund i purchase.
You correct it wont happen until crisis come again. By the way im not so urgent to made money now, juz wait for opportunity in my bond fund.
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Bond not doing well currently coz of QE
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 19 2013, 08:38 PM)
Bond not doing well currently coz of QE
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Correction. Not because of QE.

It's because of tapering (slowing the pace) of QE3.
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post Aug 19 2013, 11:32 PM

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Hi all, I need an honest answer:

Would like to increase DDI amount to Public SmallCap but I was told this fund has been closed for investment since July 2, which means I can only decrease or stay the same amount of regular investment, no longer can increase the amount. Does it mean the only thing I can do is just wait it reopens again (which the reopening date is unknown)? sad.gif
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You may considering PSSCF. (Public Strategic Smallcap Fund).

IMO, PSmallcap Fund won't open for sales in near short term. (Since PSSCF was there). It is similar situation to PITTIKAL (due to got PITSEQ Fund there)


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QUOTE(debbieyss @ Aug 20 2013, 12:32 AM)
Hi all, I need an honest answer:

Would like to increase DDI amount to Public SmallCap but I was told this fund has been closed for investment since July 2, which means I can only decrease or stay the same amount of regular investment, no longer can increase the amount. Does it mean the only thing I can do is just wait it reopens again (which the reopening date is unknown)? sad.gif
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Yeap... low possibility will re-open, unless everybody sell the fund to cash out.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 20 2013, 12:09 AM)
Correction. Not because of QE.

It's because of tapering (slowing the pace) of QE3.
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My hand so itchy to do switching to equity today!
or should I wait severeal more days, or weeks?
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QUOTE(koinibler @ Aug 20 2013, 01:48 PM)
My hand so itchy to do switching to equity today!
or should I wait severeal more days, or weeks?
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Fed's chairman changing bro - good scare still a-coming. Something to think about if U want to go gung-ho.

me - bought a nibble on SREITs - malls in Indonesia punya lagi (Indonesia's JSE dropped about 20% from peak.. today still dropping 4%-5%+) tongue.gif
er.. only 2%ish of my total portfolio, not "sai lang"
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QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 20 2013, 10:42 AM)
Yeap... low possibility will re-open, unless everybody sell the fund to cash out.
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Possibility of everybody selling SmallCap is even lower. Its like suddenly Public Bank going broke, and everyone wanting to withdraw money out of PB.

Mind you, SmallCap is one of Public Mutual's best funds. If someone wants to sell and give back to PM, better to "transfer" to someone else. He/she would even be willing to pay extra 5% as service charge. smile.gif

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Jakarta index still dropping today, another 4%... now below 4150.
Indo Select down 5.74% in a day; YTD is now below zero, -2.84%.

Don't believe any economic data as reason for the sharp rise and fall, it's all hot money chasing hot funds, money flows in and money flows out... the tide is flowing out now, it will flows back in... that is the law of nature! tongue.gif



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I should have allocated more regular fund for SmallCap.

I know of Strategic SmallCap, but is it the same?
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QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Aug 20 2013, 02:01 PM)
Fed's chairman changing bro - good scare still a-coming. Something to think about if U want to go gung-ho.

me - bought a nibble on SREITs - malls in Indonesia punya lagi (Indonesia's JSE dropped about 20% from peak.. today still dropping 4%-5%+) tongue.gif
er.. only 2%ish of my total portfolio, not "sai lang"
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Thanks for the input.
Will continue to monitor the market the next couple of days.
Planning to switch 20% more into equity now.

Btw, I wonder if anyone had recently apply for DDI.
Its possible to get the 10 sen transfer fee?



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