WHY U envy people drive hybrid ah .. of course la heat can cause battery lifespan .. hybrid car battery come with blower fan to cool down if got heat .. that why new model hybrid battery inside cabin not at the rear .. even for those at the rear the blower will get cool air from inside cabin which is air cond cool air to cool it down when needed
handphone battery of course need replace every 2 years bcos full charge all day long .. research on hybrid battery first .. before u blow water ..try say your cooment at the hybrid forum see how u get the answer .. some more precise then me lar..

u think it the same battery at the engine bay ah ?

nobody is saying bad about hybrid~
our malaysia weather is not suitable for it, that's all..
as long as u're happy with ur car and that nothing bad happens then it's all good~
there's nothing wrong with the technology anyway..perhaps just need more consideration on other places
there is always room for improvement..
oh my..

regarding TS, where r u lol....have u made ur decision?

This post has been edited by Jinster: Aug 3 2012, 01:27 AM

what is the difference between VVT-i and Dual VVT-i?

VVT-i, or Variable Valve Timing with intelligence, is an automobile variable valve timing technology developed by Toyota, similar in performance to the BMW's VANOS. The Toyota VVT-i system replaces the Toyota VVT offered starting in 1991 on the 5-valve per cylinder 4A-GE engine. The VVT system is a 2-stage hydraulically controlled cam phasing system.

VVT-i, introduced in 1996, varies the timing of the intake valves by adjusting the relationship between the camshaft drive (belt, scissor-gear or chain) and intake camshaft. Engine oil pressure is applied to an actuator to adjust the camshaft position.

VVTL-i
In 1998, Toyota began offering a new technology, VVTL-i, which can alter valve lift (and duration) as well as valve timing. In the case of the 16 valve 2ZZ-GE, the engine has 2 camshafts, one operating intake valves and one operating exhaust valves. Each camshaft has two lobes per cylinder, one low rpm lobe and one high rpm, high lift, long duration lobe. Each cylinder has two intake valves and two exhaust valves. Each set of two valves are controlled by one rocker arm, which is operated by the camshaft. Each rocker arm has a slipper follower mounted to the rocker arm with a spring, allowing the slipper follower to move up and down with the high lobe without affecting the rocker arm. When the engine is operating below 6000-7000 rpm (dependent on year, car, and ECU installed), the low lobe is operating the rocker arm and thus the valves. When the engine is operating above the lift engagement point, the ECU activates an oil pressure switch which pushes a sliding pin under the slipper follower on each rocker arm. This in effect, switches to the high lobe causing high lift and longer duration.

Toyota has now ceased production of its VVTL-i engines for most markets, because the engine does not meet Euro IV specifications for emissions. As a result, this engine has been discontinued on some Toyota models, including that of the Corolla T-Sport (Europe), Corolla Sportivo (Australia), Celica, Corolla XRS, Toyota Matrix XRS, and the Pontiac Vibe GT, all of which had the 2ZZ-GE engine fitted.

The Lotus Elise continues to offer the 2ZZ-GE and the 1ZZ-FE engine, while the Exige offers the engine with a supercharger.

Dual VVT-i
In 1998, Dual VVT-i which adjusts timing on both intake and exhaust camshafts was first introduced on the RS200 Altezza's 3S-GE engine.

Dual VVT-i is also found in Toyota's new generation V6 engine, the 3.5-liter 2GR-FE first appearing on the 2005 Avalon. This engine can now be found on numerous Toyota and Lexus models. By adjusting the valve timing engine start and stop occurs virtually unnoticeable at minimum compression. In addition fast heating of the catalytic converter to its light-off temperature is possible thereby reducing hydrocarbon emissions considerably.

Toyota's UR engine V8 also use this technology. Dual VVT-i was later introduced to Toyota's latest small 4-cylinder ZR engines found in compact vehicles such as the new Toyota Corolla and Scion and in larger 4-cylinder AR engines found in the Camry and RAV4.

VVT-iE uses an electric motor instead of hydraulic system to control intake valve timing offering greater precision at lower rpms and temperatures.

Not fair, since the testing conditions are very different.

When looking at the IIHS results you must keep in mind that they are testing the US version, which is probably much better spec'ed in terms of safety.

The hybrids are good in Malaysia because they are fully equipped Euro, J or US spec cars, meaning they have all the safety equipment that is already standard in those countries. They are NOT ASEAN spec cars.

Oh and when it comes to engines... meanwhile Ford has a 1.0 liter 3 cylinder producing 120+ hp.

lol? Prius competing with a 320i? The 320i has 184 hp, reaches 100 in 7.3s and has a top speed of 235, with an official fuel consumption of 6.1l/100km. The Prius is obviously more frugal (maybe not on the highway), but only has 134 hp and accelerates from 0-100 in 10.4s, top speed 180 km/h. A Prius keeping up with a 320i?

Btw., Fiesta: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rsz1mB3c4ZU
Yaris as we have it here, but of course we don't get the side airbags: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOak1MlSp28
And one day this could be the new Vios: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXEHMj12Zto
Finally the old Vios: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J928KaUPsVM&feature=relmfu No side airbags, so closer to what we get.

One last video: The VW up!, their cheapest and smallest car. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvGeOyg3nuI At the end we also get to see why having the headrest in the right position is important (you slide up during a crash, and the point of the headrest is to prevent your neck from breaking/being over stretched), and we get to see the auto braking feature that is available (or even comes as a standard, not sure).

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Aug 3 2012, 03:44 AM

True, in this price range, Fiesta is a better buy.... FC, it's better than Vios.... Performance, better than the City (in this case)...

Handling also superb.....

Good safety specs.....

Come on, weather also can be blame or not suitable, you must be kidding.

If we live near sea area, does that mean we should not buy car or bike which make of iron? Cause it very easy to get rusted. Maybe buy plastic or carbon fiber car?

If we live in winter country which the temperature lower then 0 degree. Car will very hard to start & your handbrake & other part will easily get jam & stuck by ice. Probably we should consider snow dog sled?

In Malaysia Hot weather, black colour car should be banned, as it absorb heat & cause more energy to cool down the cabin, some more it look invisible in night.
Our car paint & interior plastic also very fast to wear off & look old under the hot sun, you have any good suggestion?

this becoming war oredy.. maybe moderator can shut it down if it going worst..
i deliberately ignore about the fuel gauge bar coz don want to prolong the issue.. like i say, just wanna share it, about the calculation i think most people here is clever, dont agree with me its fine..
after all this discussion, it could be create more hatred then sharing info.. even TS long gone n maybe have buy his car..

Lol...oh ya...too exciting see u guys chat about hybrid car...anyway. i had book a h city ...thanks for all comment and suggestion

Good choice! Did you pick the S or the E spec?

Lol...oh ya...too exciting see u guys chat about hybrid car...anyway. i had book a h city ...thanks for all comment and suggestion

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Added on August 3, 2012, 7:40 amS....E is out of budjet.. though i like the paddle shift so much.

This post has been edited by mike5627: Aug 3 2012, 07:40 AM

Yea I know.. that's too bad. But enjoy your new ride though.

Did you go test drive the car before? Which SA did you go to?

I booked mine almost 2 weeks ago and the car still not ready.. really no stock. Huhu..

Thanks to all the forumer below for their input on hybrid:

Jinster
calvin_ng
megat89
keanutan
bennedict82
conqu3ror
sleepwalker

You guys provided some good info!

its not i want to hijack the thread with hybrid car topic, as somebody brought it up as potential in range car to buy for TS, might as well ask the pros n cons..hehe.

for more information we can always go to hybrid thread, just wan outside opinion as the thread potentially flooded with people who are pro hybrid, then the info could be bias as well.no?Conclusion, have to take everything from the internet with a grain of salt.

It was exciting though to see that my one question can steer this thread out of topic and make war..haha

PEACE YO

This post has been edited by bluehaven: Aug 3 2012, 08:38 AM

Like I said, you don't know anything about the batteries.

http://www.hybridcars.com/gallery/22070/photo?page=3

The battery in some of the hybrids are the same ones that I put into my flash light. D Cell battery. Why they put small batteries in series? That is the only way to pump the voltage up high enough to drive the motor (if you can still remember your high school battery physics class).

Battery technology is the same, whether it is used in the cell phone or in a car. Again, you know nothing about batteries if you think that our mobile phone battery dies in 2 years because of charging all day. It is the limited charge discharge cycle that kills the battery as we use it every day and recharge it every night. Each 100% charge is a full cycle and each battery has about 500-1000 charge cycles, depending on the quality. I have a few mobile phones that is hardly used and the batteries that are still holding charge after 3-4 years because I have no used up the charging cycles. Batteries have shelf life of about 5-10 years provided that it is stored properly.

Comments from hybrid forum are still the same. THey own hybrid cars but know nothing about their cars. Just like this forum. Everybody here owns a car but that does not mean everybody knows everything about cars. At least they have not proven so.

Since TS already book a Honda City S Grade... can we close this thread...

Lets Discuss Hybrid in Hybrid Thread...

peace...

Yes..i had test drive before...city is better than vios on the highway..
haven't take my car yet...yours is 1.5 E ? what do u mean by SA.

Well.. too bad all the talk on hybrid did not sway him to get one. The TS can close this topic if he no longer needs it.

Lets clarify some batteries technologies here...

Li-ion / li-po (lithium Polimer) batteries charastic is different from NIMH... where NIMH is more heat resistant and durable it is also limited by the weight and charging and discharging capability (Slow to charge and discharge) Li-ion in this case has a much higher rate of charge and discharge... (if you play high performance RC-remot control) you know.. I have a Savage Flux HP mosnter truck that can go 120kph I know battery technology...

The downside li-ion is very sensitive to heat... if the heat above 50*c the battery will go into a state where it discharge itself and shorten the lifespan... li-ion has also a weirc charasteristic where discharge a li-ion below 20% will damage the battery (This is where people damage their notebook and cell-phone battery) do not discharge below 20%..!!! and if you discharge a li-ion below 5% your battery is DEAD!!! (most modern cell employ a circuit board to prevent this)

For NIMH battery it is more resistant to heat which a tipical NIMH battery can run up to 80*c before damage will come... this is reason why hybrid in Malaysia uses NIMH (Except Civic hybrid 2012)

In a Hybrid car.. the car do not charge and discharge from battery directly, there is capacitor involve where the car will charge up to a capacitor to run... and the NIMH battery in Hybrid is for storing remaining juice in the capacitor... the advantage of capacitor is the discharge and recharge rate is super fast... this is the reason when you hit on regenerative brake the voltage go into charging capacitor then the capacitor slowly charge the nimh battery pack...

also when your car is super hot say it hit 80*c on a desert heat... no worries the hybrid will not engage the batteries... what the car do is to use your aircond air to cool down the batteries before uses it... pretty smart... it also have a CPU to manage charge and discharge rate where it keep the batteries between 20%-90% so it is not overly diacharge and over charge hence keeping the battery in good health...

now who dont understand batteries??

Your arguments seems to be always copy and paste from somewhere and it does not seem to gel with the discussion. I talk A and you copy paste about B.

When I talk about heat, I'm not talking about damaging battery. A battery with higher temperature will always discharge faster, meaning less efficiency and needs to be 'topped up' more frequency. This is something you don't feel in a hybrid car as you are constantly topping up the charge. Each charge/discharge cycle does not mean the battery has to be charged from 0 to 100%. Every time the capacitor charges the battery, this counts towards the charging cycle of the battery as it is accumulative. The less efficient the battery is, the more top ups you need to do and hence the shorter lifespan. Again I'm not talking about high heat killing the battery but rather the few degrees in temperature difference over the span of a few years that shortens the life of the battery due to increased charge cycle needed.

Your entire reply above did not even address this issue and you deviated towards driving at high heat in a desert.

Bro the thing is the heat does not effect the batteries as when the aircond is power on it is keep below 25*c as the fan draw the air from cabin (Unless you set your aircond temp to 30*c which is.... you get the answer)

if your argument about the air being drawn from outside then yes your argument is valid as we cannot control mother nature... but the air to cool the batteries is from the cabin... my case 24*c... and if you wanted to argue that the batteries discharge faster than 24*c then it does not make sense...

colder country people turn up heater which still maintain between 23*c and 25*c which again the air is drawn from the cabin...