Honda City (Facelift ) Warranty 5 Years Unlimited Milage

Toyota Vios (Facelift Warranty 3 Years or 100,000km

your call...

but some say Toyota no need warranty their engine veli solid...

but I trust warranty hahaha more piece of mind as I know my car will have 5 years warranty regardless how many milage I drive that car

Hahahaha... nice

It is true Toyota SA say they give 3 Years cause they even more confidence in their car so YOU CAN PAY MORE!!! or can go uncle machenic workshop under the tree after 3 years... hahaha after 3 years UMWT dont care about your car...

Oh do bear in mind the Facelift Honda City has improve the FC and has a Eco guide to it...

the fuel savings from Honda City and Vios can be debatable... I have driven a City before (not animore now) and I can get around 600++KM on a full tank...

I believe it is your foot... since Honda City engine is more rev happy and engaging people think to drive more aggressive without knowing it. while in another hand vios engine is more smooth (it is tune that way) and you may drive in a more relax manner... hence contribut to fuel savings... next time drive a city but keep your eve on your foot preasure you see wonders...

Oh another hand L15a i-vtec engine in the Honda City engine come with Power VTEC implementation which mean if you drive aggresive the VTEC power came will open (also known as Wild Cam profile) which produce AWESOME power and of course fuel also laaa... but if you drive gentle the eco light will lit up (in green) and VTEC cam profile will go into lean burn and maximize fuel and comfort

old version no eco light so driver dont know...

on vios pulak the Old engine is a VVTi (Variable Valve Timing ONLY) with Computer controlled (hence the i)
it has no Cam profile (hence no so called WILD cam) which mean the engine will only have 1 cam profile throughout the range... low tech stuff

lets compare the term

i-VTEC i =(Intelligent) V=(Variable Valve Timing) T=(Lift) E=(Electronic) C=(Control)
Hence it is called Intelligent Variable Valve Timing with Lift Electronic Control

While Toyota called VVTi stands for V= (Variable) V=(Valve) T=(Timing) i=(intelligent)

you want i-VTEC in toyota go look for VVTi-L found in Lexus!!!



This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Aug 2 2012, 02:57 PM

all rite since you want to compare lets compare

Pulled from their respective website

Honda City (Facelift)
Engine Type 4 Cylinder 16 Valve SOHC i-VTEC
Fuel Supply System PGM-FI (Programmed Fuel Injection)
Bore & Stroke (mm) 73.0 x 89.4
Displacement (cc) 1,497
Compression Ratio 10.4
Maximum Power [PS(kW)/rpm] 120PS (88)@6,600
Maximum Torque [Nm(kg-m)/rpm] 145 (14.8)@4,800
Drive-by-Wire (DBW) YES

Toyota VIOS
Engine Model 1NZ-FE
Engine Type Type4-Cylinder In-line, 16-Valve, DOHC with VVT-i
Displacement (cc)1,497
Max. Output (SAE-NET)80kW (109PS) / 6,000 rpm
Max. Torque (SAE NET)141Nm (14.4kg-m) / 4,200 rpm

so the answer Acceleration from 0-100 need good torque

Vios has 141NM at 4200 rpm while City has 145NM at 4,800 (City has higher rev for the engine to climb)

Top speed

Vios has 109PS while City has 120PS WOW

Also look at gearbox

Type4-Speed Automatic with Super ECT on VIOS
5-Speed Automatic with Shift Hold Control on CITY also come with paddle shift !!!

the think is who the hell want to drive a so called DOHC engine that produce 109ps... compare to a better SOHC engine that produce 120ps...

SOHC engine is lighter... and Euro 4 compliant hahaha Looser...

Toyota fanboy will always be fanboys... they will take a Shit and say it is a Good shit!!!

reality SHIT is always a SHIT!!! face it!!!

Also why Honda can give 5 years Unlimited milage warranty

here is the reason

http://www.motortrader.com/latest-news/hon...ability-league/

This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Aug 2 2012, 03:15 PM

LOOSER!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPCn2t4VOT8

Although the video a little fake and Damn hate the wind noise!!!

This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Aug 2 2012, 03:22 PM

Toyota is always the Leader in automotive cause they have commercial vehicle while Honda only have passenger vehicle... do you know how many 4x4 / Hi Ace Van / LORRY / Forklift they sold!!!

Honda only have passenger car segment...

Even Nissan which have Commercial and Passenger vehicle lost the sale to Honda

read your article

Toyota took in the first quarter with sales of 2.49 million cars and trucks worldwide

This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Aug 2 2012, 03:31 PM

Toyota is NEW ENGINE laaaa who say OLD... hahaha it is still wrap in PLASTIK!!!! hahahaha if thats the difinition of new engine.. then good luck

Also this is Toyota Vios crash test result hehehe no better than China made car....

http://youtu.be/KRW8Ysue9aI

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Added on August 2, 2012, 4:04 pmHonda City

http://youtu.be/fZYHvTVXpZo

You see the difference...

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Added on August 2, 2012, 4:04 pmhint hint...

A-pillar

This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Aug 2 2012, 04:04 PM

http://youtu.be/4MxEh1ufpCY

hehehe

cannot calculate bars hahaha 1 bars = how many litre??

cause I cannot pump petrol station in BAR......

eg...

Petrol guy: BOSS mau berapa $$ minyak...
Me: Bagi 3 BAR
Petrol Guy: ??? Kit kat ada laaa

All fuel tank is not square it is not accurate

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Added on August 2, 2012, 5:06 pmSee this

Honda Accord vs. Honda Fit (Jazz)

This is one of the three crash testscompatibility that the IIHS has recently performed in America. Here is the article related to all tests, including our evaluations. Assuming that the Fit in the test against the fixed barrier was excellent, the incident against the Accord makes a pretty bad shape. analyze the results of crash tests at 64 km / h . The head goes to hit the steering wheel and the passenger compartment intrusion abbstanza are extended. The brake pedal is part of 21 cm and the dashboard up to 16 cm. The steering wheel remains in the normal range, comes back and gets up to 9cm of 8. The legs get the pressure high enough because of the intrusion, suffering damage severe enough. The Accord on the contrary is deformed very little inside. Some small risk to his head just touching the steering wheel. In conclusion, the Accord is quiet out on their own feet, then the judgment is GOOD. In the Fit is still alive but out of injuries to the legs are heavy, POOR judgment.

Toyota Camry vs. Toyota Yaris Sedan

This is one of the three crash testscompatibility that the IIHS has recently performed in America. Here is the article related to all tests, including our evaluations. The Yaris had impressed in testing at 64kmh on the wall. Before seeing the 2-car tests to do a premise . The doors are very important, even in frontal crashes . They provide the energy absorption by downloading the forces on the side, if they remain closed. After this introduction, we analyze the result of the Yaris after the test at 64 km / h . In both cars, his head striking the steering wheel, the stress in the Camry is not of concern, the Yaris it suffices for the final result. The movement back 10 cm and 15 cm at the top of the steering wheel through the airbag and the impact on the crown create a cranial trauma lethal to the pilot of the small. The shell collapses, the main cause is the tearing of the door that no longer supporting the side is going to hell, the whole structure of the car. The deformation of the door opening is less than 23 cm. 20 cm of retraction to the brake pedal, 36cm for the area of the pedal and 16cm for the dashboard create serious injury for legs and feet. The final report cards say ACCEPTABLE for the Camry, for the head on the steering wheel. POOR for the Yaris, for the pilot is nothing more to do.

The Result

JAZZ : The brake pedal is part of 21 cm and the dashboard up to 16 cm. The steering wheel remains in the normal range, comes back and gets up to 9cm of 8

Vios: 36cm for the area of the pedal and 16cm for the dashboard. The movement back 10 cm and 15 cm at the top of the steering wheel

10-15cm movement of stearing wheel your head is doom...

here is the pic


vs


hint again see the knee (leg area) / A-pillar and stearing column movement

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Added on August 2, 2012, 5:12 pmConclusion for Yaris Sedan (Aka Vios) (Since Yaris hatch share same chasis with vios)

POOR for the Yaris, for the pilot is nothing more to do. (meaning the PILOT aka. crash test dummies are DEAD!!!)

Conclusion for FIT aka Jazz since share the same chasis with City assume the same

In the Fit is still alive but out of injuries to the legs are heavy. Basically You will lose your LEG or heavy Damage to LEG but you will not see GOD yet... not yet... unless ambulance is late...

your choice DIE or Heavy Damage... I think most people will choose DIE.. hence vios can sell better...

This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Aug 2 2012, 05:12 PM

Dude do you know battery technology in the 1st place, second thing hybrid is not slow this is proven fact you see ct200h easily a 0-100km/h in 7sec. Also a crz is a 8sec car btw i have tested honda insight can anytime outrun any 1.5-1.6l car...

Battery in most hybrid is proven technology... they use nimh which is quite heat resistant. And they employed smart sensor and circuits to look after the battery. But as said this car is not the future... the future is full electric or hydrogen both uses battery... as well... a toyota prius hybrid battery already proven to run 10yrs and still running strong... check the facts right...

Honda ima battery is standard D cell battery which can be replace cheaply but then if you get back honda original stuff you have to pay premium laa... same thing maa a car after warranty normally service outside why? Cheaper maa same thing with hybrids as well

Hehehe some people butthurt seeing other people drive hybrid... hahaha

The fact is hybrid engine may be small but the output they produce is high... a puny little 1.3l insight/jazz ima hybrid can go 200++km/h a prius can basically compete with a bmw320i... we drive slow does not mean the car is slow... we drive slow cause this is the eco way to drive.. only road user like you drive hard and brake hard hahaha and think damn godlike... this is what we called stupid driver..haha

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Added on August 2, 2012, 11:10 pmOther country a toyota vios only cost rm30k and here it cost 86k why??? You know the answer...

This post has been edited by calvin_ng: Aug 2 2012, 11:10 PM

Since TS already book a Honda City S Grade... can we close this thread...

Lets Discuss Hybrid in Hybrid Thread...

peace...

Lets clarify some batteries technologies here...

Li-ion / li-po (lithium Polimer) batteries charastic is different from NIMH... where NIMH is more heat resistant and durable it is also limited by the weight and charging and discharging capability (Slow to charge and discharge) Li-ion in this case has a much higher rate of charge and discharge... (if you play high performance RC-remot control) you know.. I have a Savage Flux HP mosnter truck that can go 120kph I know battery technology...

The downside li-ion is very sensitive to heat... if the heat above 50*c the battery will go into a state where it discharge itself and shorten the lifespan... li-ion has also a weirc charasteristic where discharge a li-ion below 20% will damage the battery (This is where people damage their notebook and cell-phone battery) do not discharge below 20%..!!! and if you discharge a li-ion below 5% your battery is DEAD!!! (most modern cell employ a circuit board to prevent this)

For NIMH battery it is more resistant to heat which a tipical NIMH battery can run up to 80*c before damage will come... this is reason why hybrid in Malaysia uses NIMH (Except Civic hybrid 2012)

In a Hybrid car.. the car do not charge and discharge from battery directly, there is capacitor involve where the car will charge up to a capacitor to run... and the NIMH battery in Hybrid is for storing remaining juice in the capacitor... the advantage of capacitor is the discharge and recharge rate is super fast... this is the reason when you hit on regenerative brake the voltage go into charging capacitor then the capacitor slowly charge the nimh battery pack...

also when your car is super hot say it hit 80*c on a desert heat... no worries the hybrid will not engage the batteries... what the car do is to use your aircond air to cool down the batteries before uses it... pretty smart... it also have a CPU to manage charge and discharge rate where it keep the batteries between 20%-90% so it is not overly diacharge and over charge hence keeping the battery in good health...

now who dont understand batteries??

Bro the thing is the heat does not effect the batteries as when the aircond is power on it is keep below 25*c as the fan draw the air from cabin (Unless you set your aircond temp to 30*c which is.... you get the answer)

if your argument about the air being drawn from outside then yes your argument is valid as we cannot control mother nature... but the air to cool the batteries is from the cabin... my case 24*c... and if you wanted to argue that the batteries discharge faster than 24*c then it does not make sense...

colder country people turn up heater which still maintain between 23*c and 25*c which again the air is drawn from the cabin...