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 vios or city? both 2012 facelifed..which to buy?, budjet around 86k

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post Jul 29 2012, 09:10 PM

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me a toyota diehard fans but for your case between vios and city .. choose city cos more VALUE FOR MONEY vios in the is worse then saga flx .. those who buy vios is bcos the badge .. u wont get the quality of toyota by driving vios .. toyota quality = altis and above
with city u at least will feel ur money u pay for the car is on the car itself not the badge ..
certainly not korean car men .. korea car better choose local ..at least u wont cry when u want to sale ur car ..

i'm not driving vios but i own 2 toyota currently .. sorry toyota but your vios is suck

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post Jul 29 2012, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(jepakazoid_82 @ Jul 29 2012, 09:40 PM)
How expensive is the city service cost vs vios?
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honda car service u can check on their web got all model .. toyota u have to go to their service center .. or maybe showroom ask them to show u the service chart ..

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post Jul 29 2012, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(azbro @ Jul 29 2012, 10:04 PM)
Vios service every 10k. I think most honda cars every 5K...but still, if I would choose the both..i take CT. bored with Vios oledi
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actually service on 10k is not good to your engine .. in the toyota manual book also stated if u drive all the times short trip change at 5k high speed all the times change at 5k .. 10k only for normal drive ?????????
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post Jul 29 2012, 10:28 PM

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QUOTE(azbro @ Jul 29 2012, 10:24 PM)
If I'm not mistaken, the toyota semi synt last 10k km...but after 7k km rough oledi
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if recommend 7k then go change at 5k or 3 months whichever come first some owner even 1 year will not reach 5k then go service center all the technician will be stun bcos no more oil inside engine haha..

usually is like that same with timming belt recommend 100k but most will change at 80k already ..
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post Jul 29 2012, 10:45 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jul 29 2012, 10:39 PM)
So ridiculous. My Renault diesel was every 20 or 25k. The Touareg V10 diesel first service after 30 to 50k (got sensors to tell you when to go). And here even 10k is not enough? Although apparently even in Europe the Japs tend to have the shortest service intervals. Not hard to be reliable when the car is checked so often, no?

Btw., Toyota GT86 every 15k km, Subaru BRZ every 30k. lol?

http://www.autozeitung.de/rat-tat/service-...gliste?page=0,3 For a look at how it is overseas... most cars every 30k km... including the Honda Jazz.
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oversea weather not same with us lar. bro no wonder diesel car service 1 times so expensive lar 20k or 25k service ah .. event the most expensive fully synthethic oil recommend service at 15k ..

further more it depend on your car cc lar UR V10 at least is 3.0 is it ? if need service every 5 k total up more expensive then buy a small car in 5 years lol.
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post Jul 29 2012, 11:05 PM

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QUOTE(amad108 @ Jul 29 2012, 10:55 PM)
i am vios s user here, seriously u said that vios interior worse then saga flx ?
dont think so, saga flx interior can say same level as viva, myvi and at most fiesta.. vios j maybe coz its lack too much finishing when compare to vios s/trd version..

wht i can say for vios
- good FC (full tank ron95 rm80, shah alam - kuala terengganu still have left 3 bars out of 8 bars)
- average maintenance
- good city car

for honda city
- highway driving better compare vios
- a bit high maintenance
- 16' tyre kinda expensive nowadays compare 15' using by vios trd
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no offences lar bro.. me a toyota owner also but not vios my point is to both company product line up toyota cheapest model is vios and proton is saga flx ..

the truth is event comparing vios trd and city city still win on the value .. with the shifttronic already in win win situation not to add other .. honestly vios trd aside from the bodykit what else ?

but then for me if i want to buy city or vios also i will not choose i rather get altis ..
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post Jul 29 2012, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(amad108 @ Jul 29 2012, 11:15 PM)
dont forget their trd suspension is lower compare even with vios s, not sure how lower but maybe around 40mm=4cm, n its stiffer too..
my friend honda city's gbx (2011 model) after 3 months got problem oredy.. after he fight with honda SC for a few months then finally he get new gbx.. gbx problem is not small tiny problem bro.. those shiftronic (whteve it is called) is not durable enough.. compare vios manual no problem until now, i never heard one too..
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my sis drive a city not facelift stay at kuala selangor .. all road are kampung road .. no problem now on 1 1/2 years ..
seat on my brother vios g model still feel city far better ..
how much the cost of change to aftermarket fully adjustable suspension not more then 3-5k the most expensive 1 is hks 12k .. vios trd how much and city how much?
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post Jul 29 2012, 11:34 PM

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QUOTE(amad108 @ Jul 29 2012, 11:32 PM)
ur sis didn't use that shift-tronic frequently.. if its owner alwz use, that shift-tronic will have problem later.. so need to use better gbx oil to prevent gbx defect..

adjustable rm12k hks for city or vios bro?
use TT adjustable hi/lo n soft/hard is good enough for rm2.3k new set, 2 years warranty with 3 times free setting.. summore its local company that know our road condition..
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my sis didnt used but her husband used ler.. the suspension part is why pay extra for the trd while u can get better set at outside?
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post Jul 29 2012, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Jul 29 2012, 11:46 PM)
lol... let me guess. SC people said "baru punya gearbox tak akan ada problem punya"... tongue.gif
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SC people all like that lar.. toyota also got .. the most funny 1 i heard is from my bro friend when they bring their preve turbo to do 1 service and complain about the lack of power on this turbo .. then ask SC guys go out for testing going to highways my bro full throthhle the SC gus shout at them and say this car cannot drive like this have to drive slow slow to get the power.. ??????? what turbo is that for?
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post Jul 30 2012, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Jul 29 2012, 11:59 PM)
have Turbo doesn't mean it goes like rocket. The Preve turbo is soft turbo and coupled with the CVT, when full throttle, the engine will be running at constant 5,750rpm. At that rpm, the turbo is only spinning, but it isn't boosting.

A soft turbo application is used mainly to improve low to mid torque in order to aid better city driving. High performance turbo are usually larger and only kicks in at high rpm.
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is it ? then don get the idea of this turbo lol .. then how to enjoy this turbo function ? the SC people say it because this engine use some kind of timing chain nake the response slow woh?? event pick up lose to persona when they test ...
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post Jul 30 2012, 12:17 AM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Jul 30 2012, 12:09 AM)
maintain rev at 2,000-4,000rpm and you can harness all the full power of it. smile.gif

response? unsure.gif

On thing is, the Preve is a huge chunk of metal to be moved compared to the persona and CVT isn't that well associated with performance either.
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ok then tell them when meet up.. and another thing is the bonnet getting very hot even when idle ...these i believe will make a lot of problem in 1 to 2 years..
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post Jul 30 2012, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(kadajawi @ Jul 30 2012, 02:24 AM)
Of course weather is different, and it also depends on how much each service costs. But still, why do some cars require so frequent service while others don't? Honda every 5k, VW every 15k. In Malaysia. Where the Hondas have rather outdated gearboxes and engines, and VW uses highly turbocharged engines and DSG gearboxes? How can that be?

Think the V10 TDI was a 4.2... not sure though. In any case service costs should be the smallest concern if you drive such a car.

You want to buy a new car and immediately change the suspension? Why not buy a car with the right suspension in the first place?

The Preve turbo is meant to give low end torque. Feel like diesel drool.gif Also it is meant to lower fuel consumption (at high RPM however the engine will get hot, which requires the car to use petrol to cool down parts of the engine --> very high fuel consumption). Drive it properly and it will be fun to drive and give good FC. smile.gif

Well, the Fiesta interior isn't pretty. It looks like a Sony boombox from the 90s. Think the materials weren't so great either. But the rest of the car is nice and modern, so I am willing to overlook that.

This is a nice interior:
user posted image

New Yaris (one day new Vios...?) also not too bad:
http://images.thetruthaboutcars.com/2012/03/IMG_7059.jpg
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ai yo yo not understand you lar .. first complain about our local car maker service too short every 5k or 10k then compare with a v10 4.2cc vehicle say this car only need service 20-25k .. ai ya VW 15k service can use normal oil ?i'm very sure have to use fully syhnthethic lar ... honda service 10k also can use fully synthethic lar.. SC will explain to u .. u know how much liter of engine needed for a V10 ?? every service cost 1500 at least lar.. engine oil only is 1k already want to compare to 1.5 or 2.5 cc car how to compare ???

why u compare japanese car with conti car?? totally difference lar..


Added on July 30, 2012, 8:22 pm
QUOTE(mike5627 @ Jul 30 2012, 12:09 PM)
thanks for ur suggestion..i personally a salesman which will travel 2000km per month..is that H.City FC not as good as vios?
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2000km permonths buy hybrid better save at least 60% mean travel 2000km pay 1400km the rest 600km is free lar..

mine 1 full tank rm60 get 600-650km (100% city drive) highway can get at least 700-800km .

This post has been edited by keanutan: Jul 30 2012, 08:22 PM
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post Jul 30 2012, 08:44 PM

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QUOTE(bennedict82 @ Jul 30 2012, 08:36 PM)
I booked my Forte already. The sales can give 2-3k discount. I think this is worth to get. I cannot get the same spec from Vios and City.

City price increased from 86k to 90k. Not worth. Vios price very competitive. But you will know the car is totally empty feature compare with Forte.

I agreed Forte has less resale value and maybe spare part more expensive. The car just 2 yrs ++ in Malaysia. No one send for major spare part replacement. Not fair to say the spare part is expensive. Resale value is not high doesnt mean low quality. It could be demand low. We have to give time to Korean's Car. The reason City/Vios resale value high doesnt mean has good quality than Kia or Hyundai. Just the matter of time.

I trust Korean brand. You can see how sucessful they do well in Samsung LCD / LED TV.

In US and europe, you can find many Elantra and Forte. But you will not find City or Vios over there. This is good enough to judge which car you should buy.

If you just want to buy car for resale particularly in Malaysia only, then you should get Vios and City. But I would say this is follow trend only. Doesnt mean getting good, worth car if you think on resale value always. Anytime Korean Car can overtake Japanese car like Samsung beat Panasonic or Sony.
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ai ya u trust korean brand bcos of samsung ?? bro u know how many samsung lcd got problem ?

us / europe can't find city and vios bcos both model are design for asia country only ..

samsung beat panasonic / sony bcos it is cheap price .. and seller got higher margin ..

bro if u take aside the new korea car design now ..and start to look at inside ...
hyundai = accent (cannot find now)
kia = spectra(bad bad car)
toyota =vios (empty car)
honda = city (high cost)
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post Jul 30 2012, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(bennedict82 @ Jul 30 2012, 09:14 PM)
Hi Keanutan, you just bring up all the bad points from one side only. I am not going to argue with you and criticise how bad the vios and city. Indeed, Toyota and Honda are top car manufacturer in the world.

My points in previous post is to explain how Korean do well in their product and gain the customers sales. Not trying to bias. I just share my thoughts.

when a company earns a lot of money. It is not related to the cheapest price they can offer. But the quality of the production and whether worth to buy or not.

If you think cheap price can work, Malaysia's PENSONIC becomes world number 1. As well as Proton. smile.gif
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ai ya dont mad lar .. just not good to compare car with electronic .. me working in eletrical sales (8 years) if u ask me about quality on mass production japan product is the best ..
lcd tv no matter what brand the panel is from either sharp or sony panel bcos this is the two company that come out with the patents..
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post Aug 1 2012, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(mike5627 @ Jul 31 2012, 11:46 PM)
urs is hybrid car?


Added on July 31, 2012, 11:49 pm
O.o i seee...but i thought new city gear boxx change already?
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yup 1 month old prius c .. FC super duper good .. previously permonth pump 3-4 times now is every 3 weeks ..
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post Aug 2 2012, 08:31 PM

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QUOTE(conqu3ror @ Aug 2 2012, 04:51 PM)
Another similar Vios crash test at 64km/h, yes just 64km/h

A note for Vios driver, never speeding, else you might lose you leg or arm in the crash.


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all crash test speed are 50-80 the most bcos they crash to a standing wall . if both car crash head on each speed is 50 teh impact will be like 120 crash to a wall ..
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post Aug 2 2012, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(Jinster @ Aug 2 2012, 10:13 PM)
@bluehaven

hybrid cars are not meant for our malaysia weather condition..
come on, replacing the battery is roughly RM10k+....don't believe other numbers.... if this number u don't want to believe then i can do nothing about it =)
yes it saves fuel and whatnot because u'll b using the motor and battery the most, that is why, it saves fuel..if change the mode to using fuel, u cannot go far as the tank is not so big to accommodate long distance..
i have nothing against hybrid at other countries..it is going well but still the normal combustion cars are doing even better as well as improving itself thanks to RnD people...
i've seen many hybrid drivers on the right lane especially on the uphill part sleep.gif but going at snail speed which disturbs the traffic...please maintain on the left where u should be because u wanna save fuel..so stay at that lane..thanks~~

regarding the "new" vios which to me is not new....just a car applying new makeup... anyway from beginning, i don't like the middle stye combination meter...i hate it..cars with that, i hate it -.-" how to drive and see the meter/temp/petrol properly...either eye pain or neck pain or whatsoever....come on... got some like it, got some don't like it..i've even saw some put dunno what stuff to block the whole meter assuming it is a place to story stuff there zzz...even my friends, then i advice them but well..up to them =.="" other than this, normal driving, nothing special, value for money? well maybe, resale value high? not really also, depends on how well the car is being taken care of and so on..

the usual what year manufacturing and so on still goes on in trade-ins and condition of the car...colour, body n paint condition, engine, trans, whatsoever...number plate also recently...sweat... every car is now roughly the same...

let's say toyota, honda, mazda, peugeot, ford, nissan, mitsubishi..

cars at that price so n so, after a year, depreciate about 10-15k... roughly, some lower... but it then comes down to car condition and so on... don always think about the brand.. take a look at ur own car condition and see if let's say, u r the buyer...are u going to buy a crappy interior but superb exterior car? badges aren't that important now...

well, my humble opinion
i like honda cars, mazda cars, mitsubishi cars
the rest, i just like a certain model from each badge...
better choose what car u like the most..not what other people like =)
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hei proton owner .. where u get the idea of hybrid not good for our weather ?? prius second generation already in malaysia more then three years without problem from the owner .. dont believe go to priusmalaysia facebook (ops only for hybrid owner) we who own hybrid know the price of battery .. why u upset for us having to pay the battery price if our hybrid got porblem?
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post Aug 2 2012, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(bennedict82 @ Aug 2 2012, 11:05 PM)
Something we need to check with Toyota why they only give 3 yrs warranty to their hybrid car in Malaysia but 5-8 yrs given to other countries. I believe Toyota has some concern about their battery lifetime in Malaysia.
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apa la lu.. toyota in malaysia belong to UMW nothing to do with toyota .. same case with USA some state got cover for 3 years on battery while some 5 years . then what u want to say the 3 years warranty 1 got something fishy going on maybe all the bad battery going over to that state ah??

dont be so skeptic on hybrid .. u think it using energizer battery ??
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post Aug 2 2012, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Aug 2 2012, 11:07 PM)
Hehehe some people butthurt seeing other people drive hybrid... hahaha

The fact is hybrid engine may be small but the output they produce is high... a puny little 1.3l insight/jazz ima hybrid can go 200++km/h a prius can basically compete with a bmw320i... we drive slow does not mean the car is slow... we drive slow cause this is the eco way to drive..  only road user like you drive hard and brake hard hahaha and think damn godlike... this is what we called stupid driver..haha


Added on August 2, 2012, 11:10 pm
Other country a toyota vios only cost rm30k and here it cost 86k why??? You know the answer...
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agreed with u .. dont know why so many F1 driver wannabe in malaysia no matter in highway or city drive .. wa seh driving 210km on sepang highway very good .. very macho .. .. how much times they actually gain if they drive 200km all from kl - jb compare to 140-150km .

now when see people push hard just to pass our car and get infront make me wanna laugh untill piss . VROOM VROOM VROOM only from my back to my front yet still at traffic light..WTF going to pole positions ah ? getting the first clean place for better start up on the race ah ?
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post Aug 2 2012, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(conqu3ror @ Aug 2 2012, 11:28 PM)
Of coz is fun to play with it, but you also paying a premium for it.

Come on Hybrid car is totally a different category of car compare to Vios & City. BTW if Vios & City without Tax may only cost RM40-50k, but Prius C, Jazz Hybrid & Insight w/out tax already cost about RM100k.

We buy Hybrid not only because it superb in FC, but also the Hybrid Tech, safety & Go Green and of coz the Tax Exempted.
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hihi tax exempted and the actual car price is my second priority i choose hybrid. first is the tech.. this forum here ask about vios and city .. for me choose city for the value and gadget .. compare to vios..

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