May i know how this MC Ocean earn money.. selling headcount or products?

I agree with you, website did not generate money but can be part of the marketing strategy (or to customer naive like me, provide better confidence level).

Nowadays, most of the big corporate / companies is trying to get involve into online platform.
From groceries, health product or as big as home application electronic products .. all have started this to boost their sales.

If MC Ocean is a product base company with so many members from professional field and good prodcuts, how come they ignore this opportunity? The company name even cannot disclose to their people before they sign up or after a couple of meeting?
What so shame to hide the company name? Isn't that letting the public know your company will help more in your sales? Why MC Ocean choose to go the opposite way? Some time product branding value > product itself .. NIKE is one of it (no offence to NIKE but that's the sign of quality for consumer group the company build up)

Another example is Cuckoo, when enter Malaysia market.. I bet most of the people still new to this company until the raise of advertisements.
I see the importance to built up the company reputation.

Ya .. you can say if public can buy the product without join as member then it is unfair to member.
I remember member got the special discount, this is how other genuine MLM company do.

I disagree the way MC Ocean doing now is force member to pay a big buck for their extremely over-priced product and rank for greater commission.

If you join as RM35K, SP rank .. you need find 5 so called business partner (actually is downline, they just make it sounds fancy and fair), they need to invest another RM35K x 5 = RM175K for the company, you earn back your modal then only start getting your actual profit from new joined member. (I rather go for JJPTR at least earn money while sleeping)

By the way, RM35K for 16 local health and home products, seriously? People from MC Ocean who earn 20K a month deserve this life style, proud of you guys .


Check on the wafer filter MC Eionizer RM5K (Made in ??) vs. Panasonic TK-AS45 RM1.9K (Made in Japan),
Oh ya .. can't make your choice? go to Panasonic website vs. MC Ocean website for the product spec and details, it will help you made up your mind.
My bad .. website again.

https://www.mcocean.com/en/elonizer.jsp
http://www.panasonic.com/my/consumer/kitch...er/tk-as45.html

I am a in-direct victim of this MC Ocean scam..and i always believe in KARMA.

This post has been edited by Kappa: Aug 13 2017, 12:07 PM

OMG that year 2005 'classic' webpage design...
Yea a legit MLM shouldn't be like all along doing something unethical, for example Amway diamonds like to bluff their rich lifestyle but they didn't provide training to teach their downlines how to scam your friends that believe in you.

Well well, i have never thought of finding an answer here.
Let me just begin with an invitation from a friend of mine, i have not seen him for almost a year and he invited me to this event called Grand Raya Celebration! No company name was stated there, just time and venue.
It was held at SJKC Han Ming at puchong, and to my surprise there were so many people in that hall.
Lots of young entrepreneurs such as engineers, lawyer, doctors and so on. They all seem to have a professional career. And yes, one of the speaker on that day was haris ibrahim, the lawyer from Bersih. Seems like a legit event right?
Many things happned on that day, i was almost brainwashed by them i must admit but when they start talking about big cars(BMW) that they were driving, and how they 'fire' their bosses, that is when i felt a little skeptical. Not to mention all the hampers they were giving out were worth like rm1k-rm5k, like seriously? When i saw the hamper up close it looks like those MLM beauty/health products. Another skeptic reason.
I was asked by my friend meet his 'business partners', thats what they call them. Is a long story but I didn't join them after all.
So someone posted about mc ocean and I decided to google it, guess what? I found 5 of the invited speakers on that website, even haris ibrahim but they somehow changed his name to haris something, i cant remember.
My question is, did anyone attend that event on 30th july at han ming school? I cant be the only skeptic victim on that day, there must be someone here.

yes i attended

dont bluff la u

Hahahah! This is the only way they will learn, because they won't listen to any kind of advice and just push people away even family members. More like those 'business partners' took away their humanity, they become like MLM zombie

Berapa gaji kau masa you kena perli? Hahah. Aku pun kena perli gaogao dengan kawan kata gaji aku rendah macam sial tapi tak nak tukar kerja. Sakit hati baii, apa similan kawan cakap mcm ni. mLM destroy friendships

I feel like this Mnet guy/girl is someone spying on us. Could be from mc ocean itself, always asking how much are you earning and stupid questions like you pointed out.

Yes, he/she is the LY's most trolling forumer.

We should expose this to let everyone know, who they are, what they do, where they come from, how they earn money, then everyone will know it's Mc Ocean when they try to pretend the mysterious of this 'business'.

Hey guys, i can share my experience with Mc Ocean . I did not join their program anyway, so no worries.


STAGE 1:
I was recommended by one of my friend to go for an interview at Wisma Standard Chartered Standard Chartered near Taman Teknologi Malaysia. Once i went there and settle down, three person come and talk to me in turns. After the interview, there are a few questions in my mind that I really don't understand.

They are looking for "Business Partners" to join their organisation, but they're not willing to share their company name/info to me. If you want me to join as your business partner, why can't you trust me and share info to me? It doesn't make sense. They will say this is part of the system, they can't tell, and they claimed that someone will tell you eventually. But luckily someone did share an info to me during the interview. They're doing something call "Network Franchising". Okay... At least i have some info to google about it.

Then i went home and google it, then i found this link The Real Truth about MLM & Network Marketing . The link taught me a lot. I would recommend you guys to watch that video.

STAGE 2:
Few days later, i got the invitation to proceed to Stage 2 via Whatsapp. Basically it says "You have been invited for the business module presentation on at Fraser Business Park". Yet another question pop into my mind, what is the company name? Why they're still hiding the company name? I don't feel comfortable at that stage, i started to feel that something is fishy.

So, i meet up my friend for a quick drink on that day before the presentation. During the "Yum Cha" session, my friend keep pulling their senior partners to come talk to me and share their successful story. I asked what are they doing and how their company operates, and yet again they're unwilling to share to me at all. Funny huh?

Then finally, they bring me to their office. Now i know they're called Mc Ocean. They started showing me the products they have, mostly are health care products. Then they show me a bunch of photos on the wall. Long story short, they just want to show you how successful they are. Not sure is it reliable or not. After they show me everything, me and my friend sit down with another consultant and they start showing their business plan to me.

Yup, so that guy double confirm to me that my guess is true. They're doing Network Franchising or MLM related stuff. They don't call it MLM, they called it "SYSTEM".

Joining the program is RM2400 ++. Around RM 400 will be membership fee and training fee and the remaining RM2000 will be converted to points whereby you can use it to buy their products. Depends what is your upline ranking, he/she will get at least RM200 per new down line member. Then they did promote another "Fast Track" program whereby they teach you how to take back your investment and earn money faster. You would need to pay RM34,000 upfront to upgrade your own membership so that you can get your membership referral percentage higher. If i'm not mistaken, per down line registered you would get at least RM 600. They also claimed that they will teach/guide you how to get the RM34,000 funding. I did ask them what is the source of funding? And they say, borrow from friends, personal loan,etc, which i felt it is a bit weird and inappropriate .

The work there is quite simple. You can do direct selling for their product if you wish, but it wouldn't bring you good income. The income comes a lot when you successfully recruit a GOOD down line. The definition of "Good down line" means, he/she is willing to spend money and do new member recruitment. All you need to do is to find 5 damn good down line. Then once you found 5 down line, all you need to do now is to help your down line to recruit good member. Because according to their "SYSTEM", you will get promoted to another rank if your 5 down line promoted as well.

So i ended up rejecting it and go home. And i'm very happy with my decision.

STAGE 3:
I did not go for STAGE 3 as i did not pay the RM2400. =)


So now, let's puzzle the things together:
1. Why STAGE 1 - Interview?
As i said, if you want to earn money, your down-line need to do their part. They want to filter out those lazy people who does not recruit new member and those who don't like to work as a team. To maintain a healthy Network Franchising world or MLM, it requires team work. That's why you can see no one is willing to share the company name, hence "TEAM WORK" !!

2. Why not revealing their company name much earlier?
Perhaps they worry their "Well-known" name appears on your mobile. They have a lot bad stories when you google "Mc Ocean".

3. Are they doing direct selling?
You can. They also did promote something call "Indirect selling". Meaning, you can sell those products via your down-line member.

Summary
1. Is network marketing/franchising legit?
I wouldn't say it is a scam. This scheme actually works. As i said, if you have a healthy network/down-line, you will definitely earn a lot of money. Yes, you need to put effort, in finding quality "Friends" to build your network.

2. Should I join it?
My answer will be up to you. I don't like MLM. If you like to make new friends and you don't care too much on annoying your friends to join your network, then YES. If you're thinking of joining, please do double think again. You really really need to put effort into it if you wish to get back your money faster.



Thanks.

This post has been edited by HeatherGoh1990: Sep 11 2017, 04:32 AM

^ at the end your source of revenue comes from your downlines who willing to pay rm34k as well as their respective downlines

using some bullshit products as a smokescreen to conceal the real operation behind, this is no different than money games

at least money games are more upfront and honest to you

lol..is this money game? blue ocean?

gaji aku masa tu 4k++
ko kena perli gaji berapa?
kesian kawan aku tu....sekarang hutang keliling pinggang. Aku suruh dia join phytoscience, at least takde la menipu sgt mcm mc ocean tu

I'm upset since last night I was invited to the Stage 2.
I don't even bring money and the KP keep forcing me to say yes in harsh way! Keep saying my parents is so hard to raise me up and as return I must contribute more. Ya actually all is fact but what? I'm not affordable, this is the fact now, only RM2500, sad.
I'm getting angry now!!! And the friends keep annoying me "I wanna help u" arghhhhhh I actually can block them directly, but I don't do yet.
I don't wanna think whether it's a scam or marketing strategy, I don't like people pushing me so hardly!!!

have u joined?

*Sorry about my broken english
Hi guys, I was also invited by my wechat friend, found her by 'people nearby' at first she ajak me come out to have a dinner. Then i was like ok lo meet new friend ok la. Then first day she just talk about my career and did't say anything about this Mc Ocean things. Then just yesterday she ajak me go makan again. Then after makan she ajak me go see her company. she say just come and just have a look about this Mc Ocean.
At first when i come in the place. I was like fucked up. She introduce about the water filter things and bla bla bla then after that introduce the products things.
Then the same things as u guys said they will introduce their member last time work as what what doctor lawyer la also join them. At first i was like okay. But i just ignoring them and just listening to them trash talking. And then they ask me to join them. I told them i wan a few days to decide about it but they refuse to give me time and just ask me sign up because they say it's was a opputunity to make money. And ask me to go and join the M&U event that will held on next sunday 1Oct. But i need to sign up first but i dont have enough money so they say can pay abit first also never-mind. Then i so tired about it then i just paid $150 SGD to them. Because i was in Singapore. I don't even know they came here as well to brain washed all those young people. Including me i was almost brain-washed by them. They told me this company was all young people and i was like Of course la young people easy to be tipu ma easy to brain washed. So fucked up wasted my few hours listening to them trash talking!

Ok la tu 4000++, macam ni pun kena perli ke?
Aku kena 2000+ je, tapi macam mana pun mana ada kawan yang perli gaji. Tu orang punya privacy kot..
Kawan u ada menyesal tak join mc ocean? Hutang banyak ke?

So many similar stories regarding this, so are you saying they went to singapore as well? Where will the M&U event be held on 1st oct? I went to this event as well few months back, they just intro themselves and everyone who went up stage, saying they used to be engineers, doctors, high profile job, etc. They wont tell you anything about what they are doing on the 1st day, instead asking you out to hang out with them next time. I really hate how they cheat people and so many idiots still falling for it