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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL, FLX CLUB V24, "Drive so fast for what???" EDITION

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huzaifa136
post Jun 18 2012, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 18 2012, 05:44 PM)
Highway constant 3600rpm where need to shift gear one...
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ok then. but there's too many factors.. and probably the driver
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post Jun 18 2012, 06:19 PM

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My BLM always 50km/bar, be it haiway or town driving blink.gif right foot ady super light coz menten above 10in/hg vacuum blink.gif it will be great if can get Luke to drive my car and finish my tank of petrol to see whether its car problem or driver problem blink.gif I've tried every possible way, still FC stands at 10-11km/l shakehead.gif kinda numb ady after 3 months suffer
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post Jun 18 2012, 07:17 PM

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Okay, just filled up. Here's the trip summary for those who were following:

- Filled up full tank at Tapah last Wednesday, on the 13th

- Naik Cameron Highlands via Tapah road. My first time driving on the road but I did overtake slower vehicles on the way up. First bar dropped at 70 km.

- Turun via Simpang Pulai road, used PLUS for a short distance to Ipoh

- Did some driving around Ipoh. Moderate start-stop traffic.

- Drove on to Penang via PLUS. Highway was clear, cruised at 110 km/h

- Drove around Penang, about 30 km. Slight jam at Weld Quay.

- Car was not used from last Thursday till this afternoon. I did about 50 km on the Island just now.

Total distance is 415 km, on 30.140 litres, giving 7.3L/100km or 13.8 km/L.

PS I think my tyre pressures are 34 PSI front, 32 PSI rear.

QUOTE(gogoman86 @ Jun 18 2012, 05:06 PM)
Look at this, drove til 102 KM but still never drop one bar... 
Done that before too, a long time ago. I think it was like 109 km or something. But seems like Coolkwc's Gaga is in even better shape than mine, I don't think I can' touch 140 km for the first bar rclxms.gif Or maybe his fuel level float is very biased towards the first few bars tongue.gif

QUOTE(huzaifa136 @ Jun 18 2012, 05:23 PM)
highway/long journey mar.. btw 100+ achievable for speed lower than 100kmh
interestingly i achieved that went drove from kb to kl via trunk road
which demand slower speed than that on highway
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In my experience the most efficient speed on my Gaga is 80-90 km/h. Any faster and the air resistance saps more energy than necessary.

QUOTE(davidke20 @ Jun 18 2012, 06:19 PM)
My BLM always 50km/bar, be it haiway or town driving blink.gif right foot ady super light coz menten above 10in/hg vacuum blink.gif it will be great if can get Luke to drive my car and finish my tank of petrol to see whether its car problem or driver problem  I've tried every possible way, still FC stands at 10-11km/l  kinda numb ady after 3 months suffer
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So you think my right foot is god-like laugh.gif notworthy.gif

I think you've tried very hard already, so something must be wrong with your Gaga, I don't know. Maybe the first owner did not break it in properly unsure.gif

Anyways, read this to see what the Gaga is capable of brows.gif
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Hi there, I wanna ask about service. My current mileage is 14,440KM, and the STICKER that SC stick at my car said next oil change is at 15,000KM meanwhile at the service booklet say at 20,000KM. which one should I follow? my last service is at 10,000KM.
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QUOTE(huzaifa136 @ Jun 18 2012, 05:18 PM)
great sharing from most senior flx userĀ  rclxms.gif
is this stock? and the high speed drive is it constant rpm?
coz mybe i'm not on constant rpm (trying to acceleration either to maintain speed uphill or
brake for slower cars and then accelerate again) which was not quite efficient
mine 1 bar for low 30km very high fc
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yes, it's stock car.
for high speed, not always constant, sometime rev and sometime break...

QUOTE(huzaifa136 @ Jun 18 2012, 05:23 PM)
highway/long journey mar.. btw 100+ achievable for speed lower than 100kmh
interestingly i achieved that went drove from kb to kl via trunk road
which demand slower speed than that on highway
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that one for highway, but on city drive, the factor not much, it was achievable for city drive too

QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 18 2012, 05:24 PM)
Mine BLM manual @ 3600rpm can do 140km for 1st bar and 120km for 2nd bar, so ur @ such low rpm should be if not better, equal my car FC. So still u need to control ur right foot... laugh.gif
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bro, manual always won auto/cvt la sweat.gif
btw, @ 3,600 RPM, my speed is around 155 km/h, i think if maintaining that without slowing down, maybe >120KM per bar achievable @ 3,600 RPM, the car feel smoother and the engine providing best efficiency power to it, i should try it next time hmm.gif
anyway, your FC really geng!! thumbup.gif
any modding done to your car? maybe fuel saver, lighten up the weight, air aerodynamic? tongue.gif

but you mention 1st bar 140KM, 2nd bar 120KM... maybe when come to 6th bar, it huge drop doh.gif
i said so because i got constant reduce for 1st to 4th bar (100++KM per bar), mean i got 500KM++ when it come to the last bar (might get 550KM++ when start to blink) brows.gif

This post has been edited by gogoman86: Jun 18 2012, 08:05 PM
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post Jun 18 2012, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(.:zep:. @ Jun 18 2012, 07:42 PM)
Hi there, I wanna ask about service. My current mileage is 14,440KM, and the STICKER that SC stick at my car said next oil change is at 15,000KM meanwhile at the service booklet say at 20,000KM. which one should I follow? my last service is at 10,000KM.
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Follow the service booklet. 20,000 km.
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post Jun 18 2012, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(gogoman86 @ Jun 18 2012, 07:59 PM)
yes, it's stock car.
for high speed, not always constant, sometime rev and sometime break...
that one for highway, but on city drive, the factor not much, it was achievable for city drive too
bro, manual always won auto/cvt laĀ  sweat.gif
btw, @ 3,600 RPM, my speed is around 155 km/h, i think if maintaining that without slowing down, maybe >120KM per bar achievable @ 3,600 RPM, the car feel smoother and the engine providing best efficiency power to it, i should try it next timeĀ  hmm.gif
anyway, your FC really geng!!Ā  thumbup.gif
any modding done to your car? maybe fuel saver, lighten up the weight, air aerodynamic?Ā  tongue.gif

but you mention 1st bar 140KM, 2nd bar 120KM... maybe when come to 6th bar, it huge dropĀ  doh.gif
i said so because i got constant reduce for 1st to 4th bar (100++KM per bar), mean i got 500KM++ when it come to the last bar (might get 550KM++ when start to blink)Ā Ā  brows.gif
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Normally i travel from JB -> Ipoh, i fuel it full at Skudai, i only refuel when reach Ipoh, total mileage is about 520km. blink.gif

Of course i'm slow poke, always done 110km/h only, becos poorfag scare love letter from police.

But honestly since i bought my car, you nv saw even a post from me that complaint about high FC of this car, when i saw u guys post <10km/L, i'm like speechless and just keep diam diam only. Maybe my driving style? or i'm lucky to get a low FC engine? i'm not sure, dun shoot me, my full tank (mostly 33.XL) won't go down 350km even once, normally >400km/tank at normal city drive.

Driving style, shift @ 2.5-3k RPM, that's it. Sometimes get challenge red line all the way, but only few sec, won't kill FC so much.

Anyway, no fuel saver in my car or any other mod, just a K&N drop in, and 5W30 FS oil, and tell u, Petronas 95. wink.gif

This post has been edited by coolkwc: Jun 18 2012, 09:31 PM
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post Jun 18 2012, 10:08 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 18 2012, 09:23 PM)
Normally i travel from JB -> Ipoh, i fuel it full at Skudai, i only refuel when reach Ipoh, total mileage is about 520km. blink.gif

Of course i'm slow poke, always done 110km/h only, becos poorfag scare love letter from police.

But honestly since i bought my car, you nv saw even a post from me that complaint about high FC of this car, when i saw u guys post <10km/L, i'm like speechless and just keep diam diam only. Maybe my driving style? or i'm lucky to get a low FC engine? i'm not sure, dun shoot me, my full tank (mostly 33.XL) won't go down 350km even once, normally >400km/tank at normal city drive.

Driving style, shift @ 2.5-3k RPM, that's it. Sometimes get challenge red line all the way, but only few sec, won't kill FC so much.

Anyway, no fuel saver in my car or any other mod, just a K&N drop in, and 5W30 FS oil, and tell u, Petronas 95. wink.gif
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u can be hyper-milling sifu ni rclxms.gif <cc: davidke20>
it's driving style in kl, stuck in traffic jam and aircond at highest temp
for manual car, if u drag the gear too long it'll consume more fuel
that's why one must get to the highest gear as fast as possible and as condition allows

i've nvr driven manual blm so nvr knew optimum shift point
but if i ever drive a manual, it'll be based on the engine sound hmm.gif

question is does our sense correct? if wrong then that's the problem of high fc

This post has been edited by huzaifa136: Jun 18 2012, 10:15 PM
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post Jun 18 2012, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 18 2012, 03:29 PM)
I've driven my 1.6 from KL to Ipoh at 120kmh - 140kmh, no overheat issues.

Like any other cars, driven sensibly, there should be no problems. The Saga is not a race car.
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Yup, true, I've driven my FLX SE non-stop from KL to Pendang, Kedah which is 5 hour 400+km travel, no issue on the Punch VT2 gearbox rclxms.gif

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post Jun 18 2012, 11:01 PM

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QUOTE(coolkwc @ Jun 18 2012, 09:23 PM)
Normally i travel from JB -> Ipoh, i fuel it full at Skudai, i only refuel when reach Ipoh, total mileage is about 520km. blink.gif

Of course i'm slow poke, always done 110km/h only, becos poorfag scare love letter from police.

But honestly since i bought my car, you nv saw even a post from me that complaint about high FC of this car, when i saw u guys post <10km/L, i'm like speechless and just keep diam diam only. Maybe my driving style? or i'm lucky to get a low FC engine? i'm not sure, dun shoot me, my full tank (mostly 33.XL) won't go down 350km even once, normally >400km/tank at normal city drive.

Driving style, shift @ 2.5-3k RPM, that's it. Sometimes get challenge red line all the way, but only few sec, won't kill FC so much.

Anyway, no fuel saver in my car or any other mod, just a K&N drop in, and 5W30 FS oil, and tell u, Petronas 95. wink.gif
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go and look at the back of your car again.

You sure it doesnt say "myvi"? tongue.gif

another runaway FC discussion....next topic pls icon_idea.gif

This post has been edited by dares: Jun 18 2012, 11:02 PM
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post Jun 18 2012, 11:32 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Jun 18 2012, 11:01 PM)
another runaway FC discussion....next topic pls icon_idea.gif
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Just let me wrap this up first yah notworthy.gif
QUOTE(huzaifa136 @ Jun 18 2012, 10:08 PM)
<cc: davidke20>

I think there's nothing wrong with his right foot or driving style. It's the car. There's quite a bit of difference between his Gaga BLM and Iswaga's consumption on Fuelly, if you notice.
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that's why one must get to the highest gear as fast as possible and as condition allows

Generally, that is the rule I practice, but make sure you have enough torque to climb uphill or accelerate to merge with traffic. With the low ratio Aichi Kikai gearbox though, the car is pretty forgiving if a high gear is incorrectly selected.
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i've nvr driven manual blm so nvr knew optimum shift point
but if i ever drive a manual, it'll be based on the engine soundĀ  hmm.gif

question is does our sense correct? if wrong then that's the problem of high fc
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For maximum fuel economy I shift according to the meters, not by feel. I can drive by feel too, but your senses are subjective and could be inaccurate. The meters never lie, unless they've malfunctioned. But you do need a good senses too, for example when to coast downhill (in gear, of course), when to coast so that you'll stop ngam ngam right behind the car in front with minimal brake application at a traffic queue.

And of course, if you drive a manual car with really good NVH, you can't really feel the car so you gotta refer back to your meters icon_idea.gif

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QUOTE(huzaifa136 @ Jun 18 2012, 10:08 PM)
u can be hyper-milling sifu ni  rclxms.gif  <cc: davidke20>
it's driving style in kl, stuck in traffic jam and aircond at highest temp
for manual car, if u drag the gear too long it'll consume more fuel
that's why one must get to the highest gear as fast as possible and as condition allows

i've nvr driven manual blm so nvr knew optimum shift point
but if i ever drive a manual, it'll be based on the engine sound  hmm.gif

question is does our sense correct? if wrong then that's the problem of high fc
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Sense? Even my left foot can't trust my right foot with DbW. What else can go wrong by strictly following 10~20in/hg vacuum(-0.3~-0.6bar)

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Really given up jor. Until I found a way to hit 500km/tank, then only I'll talk about it again.
yawn.gif enough FC lar... I'm going to bed, until next topic yawn.gif
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you guys know any good proton service center around subang? i went for my 1k service at ss14, the mechanic is a SOB
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but last time u got a good fc also right? or at least normal fc
if i'm not mistaken the picture with 3/4 bar left with 2xx km?

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QUOTE(feikeigod2020 @ Jun 18 2012, 11:46 PM)
you guys know any good proton service center around subang? i went for my 1k service at ss14, the mechanic is a SOB
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QUOTE(lhwj @ Jun 18 2012, 11:32 PM)
Just let me wrap this up first yah notworthy.gif

I think there's nothing wrong with his right foot or driving style. It's the car. There's quite a bit of difference between his Gaga BLM and Iswaga's consumption on Fuelly, if you notice.
yeah.. true also. i forgot he also hv vacuum meter which is even better than rpm meter

QUOTE(lhwj @ Jun 18 2012, 11:32 PM)
Generally, that is the rule I practice, but make sure you have enough torque to climb uphill or accelerate to merge with traffic. With the low ratio Aichi Kikai gearbox though, the car is pretty forgiving if a high gear is incorrectly selected.

For maximum fuel economy I shift according to the meters, not by feel. I can drive by feel too, but your senses are subjective and could be inaccurate. The meters never lie, unless they've malfunctioned. But you do need a good senses too, for example when to coast downhill (in gear, of course), when to coast so that you'll stop ngam ngam right behind the car in front with minimal brake application at a traffic queue.

And of course, if you drive a manual car with really good NVH, you can't really feel the car so you gotta refer back to your meters icon_idea.gif
previously i nvr care about fc, jz when people saying that campro fc is bad
i want to figure it out as now i owns a proton with campro.

my previous car was civic eg 1.5 carb sohc non vtec, inherited from my dad
nvr care about fc tho.. when felt challenged, i drove like i stole it.

can't rmmber any hyper-milling action on that car tongue.gif

regarding saga i also nvr experience dbw on clutch.. i'll probably stalled it more often laugh.gif


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QUOTE(feikeigod2020 @ Jun 18 2012, 11:46 PM)
you guys know any good proton service center around subang? i went for my 1k service at ss14, the mechanic is a SOB
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so far only went to 2 sc, mutiara damansara and section 13 pj
for me section 13 is better than mutiara damansara.

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QUOTE(huzaifa136 @ Jun 18 2012, 11:48 PM)
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but last time u got a good fc also right? or at least normal fc
if i'm not mistaken the picture with 3/4 bar left with 2xx km?
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Well, sometimes it tricked me. When I was happily see the trip meter went to 200+ km whilst still doing 3 box, then the rest of the box will quickly run dry. Again, maxed the tank at 300+ km. yawn.gif Now I don't even bother la. Sometimes 30km already 1 box gone, but it will still last up to 280km~300km. blink.gif
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your signature gonna get nuked clean
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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Jun 19 2012, 12:20 AM)
your signature gonna get nuked clean
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OK, left GaGa only
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diuz...david, go resize ur siggy or il click report.

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