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post Jul 4 2012, 03:21 PM

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victoria medical students may all get their housemanship after all...including international students, with the new priority policy....

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In Victoria, 118 graduates are expected to miss out unless they are accepted in other states and territories. But competition has intensified after the Victorian government brought in a controversial system that gives international students who have studied in Victoria priority over Australian students who have studied outside the state.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/educatio...l#ixzz1zdUujKVN


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post Jul 4 2012, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jul 4 2012, 03:21 PM)
victoria medical students may all get their housemanship after all...including international students, with the new priority policy....
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/educatio...l#ixzz1zdUujKVN
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post Jul 4 2012, 03:49 PM

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other states may following this as well .THis could be why UTAS has just increased their MBBS fee for 2013 entry to AUD49,763 for year 1 increasing to AUD57105 in year 5.[totallingAUD266855]

This is a massive jump from AUD201000 for 2012 entry.


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post Jul 4 2012, 04:44 PM

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Encouraging news. They just need to sort out the total shortfall. Like I've said previously, Victoria's internship placement is merit-based and I believe this will continue to be practiced, ie. after placing all the home VIC students, then internationals then face-off with each other for "prime" internship placements.

The rest may end up in less ideal training spots, eg private hospitals and remote locations catering for aboriginal services. It's training nevertheless, and the next bottleneck will be getting into specialisation programs.

See article here:

http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2012/s3516456.htm

Numbers for next year:

http://www.amsa.org.au/internship-crisis

For VIC, there's still a shortage of 169 places, assuming all grads are staying put in VIC.


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QUOTE(confirm @ Jul 4 2012, 03:49 PM)
other states may following this as well .THis could be why  UTAS has just increased their MBBS fee for 2013 entry to AUD49,763 for year 1 increasing to AUD57105 in year 5.[totallingAUD266855]

This is a massive jump from AUD201000 for 2012 entry.
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So they've done away with the "fixed" fee system then! Monash says "not more than 6%", and you just know that will need to be factored into the worksheet. wink.gif

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post Jul 4 2012, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jul 4 2012, 08:21 PM)
victoria medical students may all get their housemanship after all...including international students, with the new priority policy....
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/national/educatio...l#ixzz1zdUujKVN
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The Victorian Hospitals have always unofficially prioritised international students in Victoria over interstate graduates, with a few exceptions, ie really outstanding med students from interstate. And now, they finally formalised it.
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QUOTE(confirm @ Jul 4 2012, 03:49 PM)
other states may following this as well .THis could be why  UTAS has just increased their MBBS fee for 2013 entry to AUD49,763 for year 1 increasing to AUD57105 in year 5.[totallingAUD266855]

This is a massive jump from AUD201000 for 2012 entry.
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lucky i'm still with the fixed system. 50k per year? ouch.
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post Jul 11 2012, 12:14 PM

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OK... gov replied

I get to stay in Monash smile.gif
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post Jul 11 2012, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(Syd G @ Jul 11 2012, 12:14 PM)
OK... gov replied

I get to stay in Monash smile.gif
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Congrats, must be a load off!

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Congrats, must be a load off!
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Jul 11 2012, 12:14 PM)
OK... gov replied

I get to stay in Monash smile.gif
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Jul 11 2012, 12:14 PM)
OK... gov replied

I get to stay in Monash smile.gif
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congrats! rclxms.gif
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etc news~







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post Jul 15 2012, 05:01 PM

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News from abroad - a bad news actually - from one of the northern states in India:

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Govt to ease norms for non-MBBS docs, Allopathy treatment will no longer be the preserve of MBBS doctors


Mumbai, July 14 -- Allopathy treatment will no longer be the preserve of MBBS doctors. Practitioners trained in ayurveda, homeopathy and unani will soon be allowed to prescribe allopathic treatment, after undergoing a one-year course in allopathy pharmacology, the government announced on Friday. An ordinance to this effect will be issued next month.

Medical education minister Dr Vijaykumar Gavit told the state assembly that non-MBBS practitioners who intend to prescribe allopathic treatment will have to clear an examination in allopathy pharmacology.

This, the minister said, is to ensure that the government's decision stands up to scrutiny in court. The said course will start in August or September this year.

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Source: http://in.news.yahoo.com/govt-ease-norms-n...-183000725.html



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Ayurveda, Unani doctors to strike work today

As many as 2,000 ayurveda and unani doctors along with students from ayurvedic colleges in the city will participate in a nationwide strike on Tuesday to protest against the government move disallowing them from prescribing allopathic drugs.

Dr Subash Gawari, vice-president of the National Integrated Medical Association, Pune district branch, said that a rally will be taken out from Tilak Ayurved College to the district collectorate.

Only a few weeks ago, doctors from the Indian Medical Association had protested against the implementation of the Clinical Establishment Act, 2010 and National Commission for Human Resources for Health Bill, 2011 as proposed by the Union Health Ministry.

“We are also opposed to the Bachelor in Rural Medicine (BRMS) course proposed by the health ministry.

Our main demand, however, is to oppose the government's move that disallows us to prescribe allopathic drugs. In most of the talukas, there are no MBBS doctors and it is only ayurvedic practitioners who come to the aid of patients,” said Gawari.

“The Maharashtra government had issued circulars in 1991 and 1996 allowing us to prescribe allopathic drugs,” said Gawari. The doctors have also opposed the Clinical Establishment Act that calls for a central body to supervise smaller state councils. This will dilute the power of state authorities and reduce accessibility of proper healthcare for patients, he said.

The doctors will also protest against the violence meted out to doctors in Uttar Pradesh recently.

Clinics to remain closed in Pimpri today

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Source: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/ayurveda...k-today/972348/



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Medical body distances itself from ayurveda, unani doctors’ stir

The Indian Medical Association (IMA) has distanced itself from the strike called by ayurveda, unani and homeopathy doctors. As many as 1,500-2,000 doctors from Pune and Pimpri took out a protest march demanding that they be allowed to prescribe allopathy medicines.

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Source: http://www.indianexpress.com/news/medical-...rs-stir/972802/


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post Jul 16 2012, 09:07 AM

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india has a failed and failing healthcare system....and they are doing the wrong things to address the problem....

never mix up evidence based modern medicine system with largely non evidenced based alternative systems....

like i said earlier, they should have trained paramedics to provide basic healthcare like msia, rather than mixing everything up....a recipe for disaster....
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jul 16 2012, 09:07 AM)
india has a failed and failing healthcare system....and they are doing the wrong things to address the problem....

never mix up evidence based modern medicine system with largely non evidenced based alternative systems....

like i said earlier, they should have trained paramedics to provide basic healthcare like msia, rather than mixing everything up....a recipe for disaster....
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When the patient comes to Allopathy doctor he studies the patient first with the anatomy and finds the cause(Pathology), Distribution of the disease (Epidemiology), knows the type of microorganisms causing (microbiology) ,understands the disease nature (medicine) and understands the indications and contraindication for the drugs (Pharmocology).

He applies all these after seeing a patient then come to decisionwhether to treat him conservatively Medicines)or need Operation (Surgery). So it is the knowledge off all the subjects studied in 5 yrs in allopathy will be applied to treat the patient.

How can you cutshort all these and treat the patient by learning only Pharmacology? and in One year!!! Great !!

Importantly the most abused drugs by these quacks are steroids and antibiotics.Does these ministers are concerned about the consequence of the public health with this?

To prescribe one antibiotic in UK , you have a system and protocol. The higher antibiotics given to the patients is one of the main reason for having many drugs resistance organisms in India.

Whereas the same drugs are choosen carefully by the allopathy doctor but infrequently compelled to presribed to compete with the local quacks.

Does Health minister knows all these? Why cant they encourage the practice of other medicines in rural instead of blaming allopathy doctors ..The reason of giving a rural reason is a shitt..

He takes Money from association of the all the alternative medicine, amend the law and allow those people to practice allopathy.They know that they can make easy bucks.. These things can happen only in India.

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Source: http://www.aalatimes.com/2012/07/13/ayush-...tra-government/


I just hope this stupidity will never happen in Malaysia - we have a lot of quacks already in our country - if they can prescribe allopathic medicines, it will be disasterous~

The level of corruption in that particular state medical council (Maharashtra) is unanimaginable, same goes for the other states - but to legalize allopathic treatment by AYUSH practitioner is certainly the first ever to be done~!

(AYUSH - Ayurveda, Unani, Siddha, Homeopathy)

On traditional and complementary medicine (TCM) practitioners in Malaysia, I hope with the tabled TCM Act their practice will be strictly regulated with evidence-based treatment as their core practice.

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Studied and even had industrial placement in govt hosp but never got placed in healthcare dept after I graduated.... how do you guys/gals get da job meh?
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QUOTE(Rin @ Jul 16 2012, 03:26 PM)
Studied and even had industrial placement in govt hosp but never got placed in healthcare dept after I graduated.... how do you guys/gals get da job meh?
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Firstly... tell us this...
Are you an MBBS/MD/MBChB BAO graduate? if so from where? if not... then answers is simple...

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Nope, I'm just a BA graduate... dang it Malaysia, y u make courses when can't place ppl into jobs sad.gif
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QUOTE(Rin @ Jul 16 2012, 03:34 PM)
Nope, I'm just a BA graduate... dang it Malaysia, y u make courses when can't place ppl into jobs  sad.gif
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I don't see the relevance of your complaint. rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Rin @ Jul 16 2012, 03:34 PM)
Nope, I'm just a BA graduate... dang it Malaysia, y u make courses when can't place ppl into jobs  sad.gif
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Why are you commenting in this thread, specifically?

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