... I've been considering an offer by Govt. TCM department to join them later when I finish my HO...

http://tcm.moh.gov.my/v4/bmelayu/

What do you guys think? - should I go bust some quacks?

anyway... here is an 'entertainment':



http://youtu.be/MBZTeyfWvNo

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Jul 17 2012, 12:48 AM

a Malaysian relative just done a whipple procedure [bile duct/pancreas cancer] in Singapore General Hospital which is costing 2 to 3 times the price even compared to private medical centres here.

The reason going there is the lack of confidence in local facilities and doctors.Selayang GH,Subang medical,Sunway were recommended but were not pursued.

Have to say the SGH/National Cancer Centre is really good.They have many good doctors and the facilities are world class.

Is Singapore overrated ? Can Malaysia medical teams perform the same procedures equally well ? The family simply think Singapore is better despite it is a big hit financially.

Actually, SGH and NUH charges are not that high, compared to private hospitals in Spore.....

Wipples is a pretty old and standard operation, and is performed frequently in many msian hospitals, especially those with hbp units....

However, people will always look to a more 'advanced' country for 'better' care....indonesians come to msia, msians go to spore, and sporeans go to oz/us....

Ironically... many patients from the 'advanced' countries are here in India for treatment... just this morning a came across a couple from US seeking heart treatment in our VIVUS Heart centre...

http://www.vivushealth.net/our-hospitals.html

(I am posted in the 1st hospital in the list above)

the reverse flow exist because of cost.....americans flies to jci accredited hospitals in india, thailand for treatment because it's cheaper (50 million americans have no or little insurance cover)......

and sporeans go to johor for cheaper treatment, being allowed to draw from their cpf for some accredited hospitals.....

http://www.themercury.com.au/article/2012/...mania-news.html

felt sad reading this yesterday hope things will change in the next year or so. sigh... Starting to worry about my future as an intern. hopefully i'll (and most of the international students who're intending to stay) be able to stay here.

On the one hand, there are giving students the opportunity to stay on upon graduation and on the other hand, they put some banana skins along the way.

Yeah, back to the same old thing that they don't guarantee your internship. And they keep increasing the fees. What a load of shit!

http://www.amsa.org.au/internship-crisis

the shortfall is shrinking, as new internship places are being created....down from the iriginal 495 to current 373.....

tasmania has guaranteed all csp students intern places...

tasmania has a population of 1/2 million, and needs only about 50-60 new doctors a year, so current numbers are significantly more than is required....traditionally, since the med school was established in the 60's many victoria students who can't get a place in the then only 2 med schools go to utas, and then return to vic for jobs....as can be seen from the vic numbers, vic now has surplus and likely not take interstate graduates....remember, vic place priority in selection on vic graduates, irrespective of residency status in oz.....

the good news is that all states are now actively looking at solving this problem......and may eventually be able to place all internationals who want internship....the 'bad' news is, this will often mean regional/rural jobs....

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Added on July 25, 2012, 12:12 pmthe new policy of graduate visas is a different thing from internship....

the graduate visa is just to allow students to stay on for a time, and does NOT guarantee a job...

internship is a guaranteed job.....

the tuition fees charged is for education, and not to 'buy' a job after graduating....therefore like all courses, no university can guarantee a job for their students.....in spite of increasing fees, and the strong aud, there appears to be no shortage of applicants for these places.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jul 25 2012, 12:32 PM

How difficult is it to secure internship in NZ or Singapore ?

I think I read some news a while ago about NZ and SG wanting to take onboard those who aren't offered an internship place in Aus. but my memory on that is a bit hazy sorry.

Yeah i heard about states finding solutions for the situation, hopefully by then full paying international students like us will be guaranteed a place. I think Victoria changed their policies? I think international graduates are now equal to the local grads in terms of priority. I've read that in the newspaper i think.

Not guaranteed, fine but by implication, deemed to be more jobs available than graduates.

internship guaranteed? then why onelove89 is worrying?

Oh yeah, the increase in fees and the strong aud is already felt. A friend told me some are coming back to study locally especially those who enroll at the beginning of this year.

sorry, did not make myself clear.....i do not mean internship is guaranteed....but that medical internship is a 'guaranteed' paying job, ie, it's employment with salary (in contrast to internship/attachment in other professions, which is non salaried)..... therefore, it is not guaranteed, just like any other jobs...

I think you have misinterpreted. If a medical graduate has an internship spot, it means a job is of course guaranteed. It's the internship spot that is NOT guaranteed.

As far as medical graduates are concerned, I do not recall reading about "more jobs available than graduates", definitely not in the last few years.

i have already stated above that victoria now place international students in vic 2nd priority over interstate students (both local and international)....just behind local students in vic, which will still get 1st priority.....

and of interest to monash sunway mbbs students, they are placed in the same group as those interstate students.....ie have the same chances as international students studying onshore in the other states....however, looking at the numbers, it is unlikely many, or any will get jobs in 2013....as the shortage is >100 places....unless many csp students go interstate, and international students go to other countries...

Just to update on the guy, who is a good student but did not get any interviews from his applications to UK, has apparently secured a conditional offer from Queens in Belfast through an agent.

The agent informed that all other UK universities medic places are now filled.

So there's some loophole to get into QBU then..

I wouldn't be surprised if the postgraduate medical council of Victoria reverts to its previous priority list i.e. interstate domestic before local international - either this or the other states also follow suit - not that it makes much of a difference as there is simply not enough room to accommodate all the graduates into existing hospitals. (Private hospitals and clinics have been proposed as alternative training places)

The current estimated shortfall for 2013 spots is 373 (by AMSA), and this does NOT include Monash Sunway students...I think their chances are effectively nil...

It is basically a slap in the face for the Monash Sunway student, if PMCV had not changed their priority they would have had a higher chance of getting a job in Victoria. Now that PMCV has formalised the group 1 2 and 3, Monash Malaysia is placed in group 3, I could so imagine how devastated they are in terms of seeking internship in Australia. Even South Australia is ranking them below interstate internationals, ie priority 5, on par with the UQ New Orleans student.

In contrast, most Monash Sunway students last year got a job. Sigh.

This post has been edited by tqeh: Jul 25 2012, 07:28 PM

I dont think Sunway Monash students expected internships in oz when they started. Its just when the first batch graduated, some were offered which was a pleasant surprise. In the earlier batches, more than 30% are JPA scholars and will be automatically excluded.

This would make the Monash Sunway MBBS degree a much harder sell among private students - JPA to the rescue?