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post Jul 25 2012, 10:04 PM

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Numed students also don't get internship in UK.
Don't know whether it would affect them in future intakes.
There is also talk that Jeffrey may go independent and another pms could be in the making. Nothing is static and value added is always ongoing.
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post Jul 25 2012, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Jul 25 2012, 10:04 PM)
Numed students also don't get internship in UK.
Don't know whether it would affect them in future intakes.
There is also talk that Jeffrey may go independent and another pms could be in the making. Nothing is static and value added is always ongoing.
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Monash should have gone the JHU/Perdana route, get the Malaysian government to fund the initiative and reap the rewards - the Monash MBBS prestige is bound to be tarnished when word gets out that the degree is actually two-tiered...
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post Jul 25 2012, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Jul 25 2012, 10:04 PM)
Numed students also don't get internship in UK.
Don't know whether it would affect them in future intakes.
i think the jury is out here.....

gmc will accredit the degree, so it will be allowed for provisional registration with gmc for the purpose of f1 and f2....

how the final year students will fit into the new system of f1 application and placement is unknown....there will be a test final year students in uk have to sit for nowadays....the score together with their final results will be used in ranking of applicants to the deaneries....

they do take in img into f1....and at the moment, it appears the available f1 places surpasses the number of graduating doctors from uk.....at least for 2012....

the other unknown is how ukba will look at this, whether they will issue tier 4 visas for non uk graduates for f1.....currently f1/f2 doctors gets extension of their existing tier4 student visas when offered f1......


Added on July 25, 2012, 10:48 pm
QUOTE(Huskies @ Jul 25 2012, 10:18 PM)
Monash should have gone the JHU/Perdana route, get the Malaysian government to fund the initiative and reap the rewards - the Monash MBBS prestige is bound to be tarnished when word gets out that the degree is actually two-tiered...
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i think most monash msia students already know that....especially those who have applied direct entry into oz med schools.....the cut off between the clayton and sunway campus is like a world apart.....

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post Jul 26 2012, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jul 25 2012, 10:46 PM)
i think the jury is out here.....

gmc will accredit the degree, so it will be allowed for provisional registration with gmc for the purpose of f1 and f2....

how the final year students will fit into the new system of f1 application and placement is unknown....there will be a test final year students in uk have to sit for nowadays....the score together with their final results will be used in ranking of applicants to the deaneries....

they do take in img into f1....and at the moment, it appears the available f1 places surpasses the number of graduating doctors from uk.....at least for 2012....

the other unknown is how ukba will look at this, whether they will issue tier 4 visas for non uk graduates for f1.....currently f1/f2 doctors gets extension of their existing tier4 student visas when offered f1......


Added on July 25, 2012, 10:48 pm
i think most monash msia students already know that....especially those who have applied direct entry into oz med schools.....the cut off between the clayton and sunway campus is like a world apart.....
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When I spoke to the Dean of Numed, he said it was not possible for f1 but things could change.
Monash sunway intake this year somehow was lower this year and the numbers lesser but the previous year was practically all straight As and abt 30% more than this year's intake.
Yeah, the difference in requirements can also be seen in other courses as well.
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post Jul 26 2012, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jul 25 2012, 10:46 PM)
i think the jury is out here.....

gmc will accredit the degree, so it will be allowed for provisional registration with gmc for the purpose of f1 and f2....

how the final year students will fit into the new system of f1 application and placement is unknown....there will be a test final year students in uk have to sit for nowadays....the score together with their final results will be used in ranking of applicants to the deaneries....

they do take in img into f1....and at the moment, it appears the available f1 places surpasses the number of graduating doctors from uk.....at least for 2012....

the other unknown is how ukba will look at this, whether they will issue tier 4 visas for non uk graduates for f1.....currently f1/f2 doctors gets extension of their existing tier4 student visas when offered f1......


Added on July 25, 2012, 10:48 pm
i think most monash msia students already know that....especially those who have applied direct entry into oz med schools.....the cut off between the clayton and sunway campus is like a world apart.....
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Monash is definitely losing its turf in Malaysia - Being the first foreign university campus gave Monash a head start in the private higher education scene; I am certain that Southampton and Reading are both seeking to emulate the success of Monash Sunway - this inadvertently makes them (including Nottingham and to some extent Newcastle) competitors in a very niche market - these universities cannot sell on price (dominated by the lower end degree mills) and they cannot offer the same experience that one would get in their respective main campuses. More foreign universities in the market can only mean a smaller slice of the cake for existing players (JPA/PTPTN allocation).
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post Jul 26 2012, 10:26 AM

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With the listing of IHH, if one is to pursue medicine locally, I believe IMU will be most ideal.
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With the listing of IHH, if one is to pursue medicine locally, I believe IMU will be most ideal.
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why?
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jul 26 2012, 11:05 AM)
why?
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Funding and assumed (rightly or wrongly) possibilities of having wider "training" (clinical years?) access to its stable of hospitals.
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QUOTE(podrunner @ Jul 26 2012, 11:25 AM)
Funding and assumed (rightly or wrongly) possibilities of having wider "training" (clinical years?) access to its stable of hospitals.
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the listing of ihh, which owns imu, will have a negligible financial impact on the operations of imu....

it is not possible for clinical training to take place in private hospitals in the present msian context.....

recent news about the private sector undertaking postgraduate training is just hot air...
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QUOTE(podrunner @ Jul 26 2012, 11:25 AM)
Funding and assumed (rightly or wrongly) possibilities of having wider "training" (clinical years?) access to its stable of hospitals.
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Khazanah, govt owned. A stroke of the pen will have an impact on the medical profession!
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jul 26 2012, 11:34 AM)
the listing of ihh, which owns imu, will have a negligible financial impact on the operations of imu....

it is not possible for clinical training to take place in private hospitals in the present msian context.....

recent news about the private sector undertaking postgraduate training is just hot air...
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IMU is being considered as a profit center, I suppose.

Back to the IPTAs then, if one can get in.
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jul 26 2012, 11:34 AM)
the listing of ihh, which owns imu, will have a negligible financial impact on the operations of imu....

it is not possible for clinical training to take place in private hospitals in the present msian context.....

recent news about the private sector undertaking postgraduate training is just hot air...
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I reckon medical litigation will be the next big thing in Malaysia - malpractice lawyers rejoice tongue.gif But in all seriousness, Malaysian patients go pretty easy on their doctors (that or they have no idea how/couldn't be bothered to file medical complaints).
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QUOTE(Huskies @ Jul 26 2012, 11:49 AM)
But in all seriousness, Malaysian patients go pretty easy on their doctors (that or they have no idea how/couldn't be bothered to file medical complaints).
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only if they are not paying....

try get a bad outcome in private practice on a paying patient, and see what happens... smile.gif

medical indemnity insurance premiums have doubled in the last 6 years....
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post Aug 2 2012, 04:46 AM

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Basically the story below is about - >A trauma surgeon by 26 y.o, graduated from three instituitions:

- Peking Uni
- Kings College London
- Royal College of Surgeon

Actively involved in overseas aid missions... Have even written a book about it~

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Saturday July 28, 2012

Doubts over ‘army doc


MAJOR Chinese dailies have published doubts from the public over the medical qualifications of a 26-year-old man who claimed to be a military doctor, serving in war-torn countries.

Sin Chew Daily reported that Winson Seow has said in past media interviews that he graduated from Peking University Health Science Centre, King's College London and The Royal College of Surgeons of England.

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Source: http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...5915&sec=nation

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then again.... ?

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this guy is obviously a fake...i don't know what he and the father were thinking, to think they can get away with it in this age....

it is standard practice in many countries to perform qualification verification at source, ie they don't really bother with the cert itself, but will write to the university directly.....

it is still not a common practice in msia, but i know some private hospitals that is doing this.....and it is one of the requirements under jci accreditation.....

going forward, it will likely be an important component in the assessment of application for jobs....

in msia, it is already a requirement for all registered medical practitioner to quote their mmc no. in all documents.....anyone can verify the identity of any doctor here: http://mmc.gov.my/v1/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=50
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We are really in deep shit with all these fakes lurking around and worse still giving press conferences and media interviews.

Noted that this is not only in the med field but many of these fakes are holding high positions with the power to influence decisions made.

Boleh land is really on a downward slide.....what more can we do?
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post Aug 2 2012, 12:27 PM

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To have lasted this long and even published a book... That is something... He even had an interview with TV3...



I guess he must have known and prepared for this all this while...

Pity to all the Malaysians that have been scammed and given false motivation by this fellow...

Very easy to claim 'doctor' these days...

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Hi guys, just wondering if anyone here have any experience or advice on obtaining attachments/placements in Malaysia during the end of year break during Dec-Jan (coming from an Aus Med school)? Not talking about electives here as I'm not in my final years yet. I've tried emailing some lecturers from UM Medical Centre but I've yet to get any response thus far! sad.gif
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QUOTE(jolenemeteor @ Aug 3 2012, 11:56 PM)
Hi guys, just wondering if anyone here have any experience or advice on obtaining attachments/placements in Malaysia during the end of year break during Dec-Jan (coming from an Aus Med school)? Not talking about electives here as I'm not in my final years yet. I've tried emailing some lecturers from UM Medical Centre but I've yet to get any response thus far!  sad.gif
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if it is not an official elective, don't bother writing/emailing officially.....the best way is to know people, and do unofficial attachments.....

but quite pointless, as one doesn't learn much from hospital attachments after the 1st year....better enjoy the holidays.....there will be no more long holidays once into the clinical years....
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QUOTE(limeuu @ Aug 4 2012, 12:15 AM)
if it is not an official elective, don't bother writing/emailing officially.....the best way is to know people, and do unofficial attachments.....

but quite pointless, as one doesn't learn much from hospital attachments after the 1st year....better enjoy the holidays.....there will be no more long holidays once into the clinical years....
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Wow you're fast! I'm actually in a grad entry MBBS so we've started a small amount of weekly training in the hospital since the beginning of year 1. I've also recently completed a 2 weeks General Paeds attachment over my last break, but I totally get what you mean about enjoying the long holidays! Just trying to perhaps look out for an attachment of a week or two to see how the healthcare setting in Malaysia is like in comparison to Aus. smile.gif

Looks like I'll resort to the unofficial way then.... hmm.gif hmm.gif

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