Onelove, I understand that Hospital MOs are paid in the range of oz dollar 1250 to about 2,500 per week, probably the same as what the locals here earned, though in Ringgit.

Is it true that GPs in practice earn on the average of oz dollar 150k to 300k per annum? And specialists earnings do not differ much.

wow that amount is really hefty. We don't earn that much though enough, but not that much. that I would say around <2k per fortnight after tax.

GPs can earn a lot depending how you operate. If you open your own clinic and with a good business model, and what we call 5 minute consult, then probably they can earn quite a bit.

GP is a specialty here too. It depends on which specialty you are in I guess, generally speaking, you can live a comfortable lifestyle if you can reach consultant level, at least above average in SE status.

Of course, the main aim isn't the money. Medicine was, is, and never will be an assured path to riches.

The tax man will take away about 30% of your income.... And then add 10% GST....

Top bracket is 49% tax....you don't want to work beyond a certain level...

I googled the info and i noted that it was much more compared to uk where the average is 50 to 60k pounds per annum. A friend also told me that his brother who graduated from nz via imu twinning is earning about 25k oz dollars per month working as a gp in a private clinic in oz. Not bad for someone who graduated less than 4 years ago and failed to gain a place for specialty training in nz.

It is not possible to earn 25k a month as a gp....

my sister in law gave tuition to SPM students while waiting for the call for housemanship. her BFF worked in a book store. another of her BFF worked as a cashier at a supermarket.

temp jobs are plenty in msia. you just need to learn how to find them. GOOGLE!

This post has been edited by Stamp: Jul 27 2015, 01:05 AM

there is something very wrong when medical graduates needs to do odd jobs waiting for their housemanship....the moe is completely ignoring the problem and the moh saddled with the problem has NO jurisdiction on the matter....

and that is after, on average, a cost of 400k in fees and expenses...scholarship students overseas cost taxpayers up to 1 million...

this compares with 100% placement for all resident graduates who wants to start their internship/fy in oz and uk.....

the days when doctors will become unemployed is near....there is no way the moh can continue to absorb all the new mo after they complete housemanship....and there is a current freeze in civil service recruitment...moh is currently filling empty existing mo vacancies....this will be full in 2 years.....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Jul 27 2015, 08:49 AM

My graduating seniors were told in November that they have to wait until next June for a post. That makes the current waiting period 8 months. And it's going to get worse over the next couple of years.

Eep.

Enrolment is tough for med schools. Newcastle will be having their own foundation program soon.
http://www.ncl.ac.uk/numed/study/undergrad...ation/index.htm

This post has been edited by Syd G: Dec 23 2015, 03:20 PM

now that the balloon has burst, it is very difficult for ipts med schools to get students....

it is so expensive, not many students can afford...in the past, jpa scholarships funded a significant portion of their intakes....that is now gone....many of those who can afford opt to go direct entry in uk/oz if they can qualify....only if they failed to get direct entry then they come back to ipts....

imu saw the signs a few years ago...and after 15 years of resisting, they has recently started their own in house foundation....although they are still strict about the standards they take in...

in the present climate, running a own foundation is one way of capturing their own students, and by passing some of the mmc guidelines....monash has their mufy a long time....

msian is training TOO MANY doctors...we now have local capacity of almost 5000 a year....add to that about 1000 a year in egypt, 1000 in russia/indon/india....while we only need and can accommodate max 5000 a year...

more frightening....too many are poorly trained, or just shouldn't be doctors at all....15% of housemans are incompetent....20% do not complete their housemanship on time (ie retained at least in one posting)....don't know how many are dropping out of housemanship completely....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Dec 23 2015, 04:11 PM

Yeah even Monash has started offering 50 MBBS bursaries to self-sponsored Malaysian students (non-JPA, non-MARA) totalling RM50k for the whole course. This has never happened before.

On one hand I believe that yes, we have too many medical students. On the other hand, I believe that this disaster could pontentially weed out the ones who're doing medicine for the wrong reasons (peer pressure, family, society, money etc). Maybe this could open up possibilities of filling up places in unpopular but important fields (e.g rehab, psychiatry, geriatrics, public health, clinical research).

I am in charge of HO training in my department. I am having migraine almost everyday since the day i took over. Can't present case even with case notes, no common sense, very poor medical knowledge. Malaysia is doomed

Any particular pattern that you're seeing? E.g bad housemen from certain unis, certain country of training, certain background etc?

How do you compare government graduates vs local private graduates? Is there a huge gap in knowledge/ skill wise?

Ipta graduates are generally better qualified, from entrance qualification point of view....non bumi entry will be the creame de là creame from stpm and matrik (although still not the top, as many top students opt out from the national pathways, or get scholarships and doing international pathways..) ..,, but there is a significant group from asasi and matrik which are not the top....

For ipts, the standards will vary widely, from very good students to minimum qualification of a mediocre 3b equivalent...And some even below....

Ipta and established ipts are reasonably well staffed....but many new ipts are below mandatory staffing, and sometimes students are left without guidance at all....

But it's the overseas ones that often are substandard.... Due to low academic ability, different system of healthcare, and poor training....egypt and russia/ukraine are well known to accept weak students below MMC minimum....

Wakakakaaa... you should transfer to district Hosp./KK/KKIA or department with no HO eg; Opthal/ENT.
You were a HO before, do the hammering lah.

Hammer them into shape.

Just don't over hammer, later they suicide/MIA/etc, HOD will be looking for you.

(you should ask HOD for extra allowance for being in-charge of HO as every complaints on them, you will have to answer too)

This post has been edited by CyberSetan: Dec 24 2015, 12:24 PM

Cannot transfer now. Already a gazetting physician la 😁
I dun hammer. Cuz i dun have the strength anymore. My mo will do the job for me.

Most problematic house officers are from russia, egypt, Indonesia and very new itps. Those established ipts such as imu, pmc, monash, aimts and manipal are good mostly. But i would say imu is so far the best among ipts.

Ipta wise, usually non bumis are better, but there are some brilliant bumis as well. However there's deterioration of standard as well, among all students irregardless of race.

Bottom line is, work hard while u are in medical school. If u are not interested, pls quit.

At the near end of my internship in OZ, I wonder if I can learn more things if I were to do internship back in Malaysia. Don't get me wrong, things here are great! I basically did the 'basics' for internship requirement in OZ: 3 months of gen med, 3 months gen surg, 3 months of ED, and 3 months of ED/night/evening wards.

I do know that in many asian countries: SG/MY/ JP/KR, they require interns to do OnG, peads, psych, anaesth terms which do help greatly in their overall proficiency and knowledge. I do wonder if I will be the one lagging behind if I were to go back, say next year, for MO. Because in my mind, interns in malaysia (or HOs) are well trained to endure long hours, slaving, and toiling. And because they've worked so much, they should have seen a lot, learnt a lot and know a lot more procedural skills. I even heard my friend did his first c-section as an HO. (i've only assisted in many as a student) Or HOs doing appendectomies? Even those require junior surg reg level for a chance to do.

To keep my options open, would it be a wise move for training in specialties in Malaysia? Esp for surgical? I'm saying so because it seems like even junior doctors get a lot of hands on.

If you want to pursue specialty training in surgical based disciplines, i would suggest that u stay in OZ, as the training programme is more structured and recognized internationally.

It is almost impossible for a 457 to undergo surgical training in oz...

Even if you get 189, it is extremely competitive to get into surgical training programs....

Onelove you should have already got you rmo job by now?

yes it is extremely competitive nowadays, I know friends who are 4-5th year into their reg-ing jobs and can't secure a training spot in SET.

yup thankfully. going to a bigger center for surg RMO years.