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post Dec 13 2012, 05:03 PM

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My niece just successfuly completed her pre-clinical studies (5 semesters) at IMU and will proceed to do the clinical part in the UK for 3 yrs to complete her medical degree, as part of the twinning medical program. Unfortunately she will have to wait until August 2013 to commence her study in UK as per the university intake calendar.

Anybody got any idea what will be good for her to do during this '8-month waiting time'? Govt hospitals do not take in medical students as medical assistants. Are there any opportunities for her to work in private hospitals/clinics? I'd appreciate any suggestions.

Mr limeuu, any idea? smile.gif

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post Dec 17 2012, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Dec 13 2012, 05:44 PM)
take a 'gap' year off....well, 9 months off.....go do things she likes/want to do, preferably nothing to do with medicine....believe me, after this, there will be NO time for anything else....

relative got a travel and work visa to oz, and worked in sales....earn some money, and visited several cities...
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she plans 'to lepak' for a couple of months but she wants to work in a medical-related field until the time comes for her to continue her medical study.

most likely she'll find work at a private clinic. hmm.gif
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post Jan 6 2013, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Jan 6 2013, 09:10 PM)
You don't get 3 Bs in STPM or  A levels here, no way. Even the lowest tier uni. Alternative is foundation which is a joke!
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yeah, that's true.

why would someone who got 3Cs in STPM / A Levels want to do medicine in the first place? the grades at A Levels give somewhat quite a good barometer whether one has the capability to study medicine. even straight As students found medical school to be super duper demanding.



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post Jul 27 2015, 01:04 AM

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QUOTE(unknowngenius @ Jul 10 2015, 05:09 PM)
Hey guys, anyone here did any part time jobs while waiting for their housemanship? If so, what kind of job?

I just graduated and I can't afford to sit at home for months before my first posting!
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my sister in law gave tuition to SPM students while waiting for the call for housemanship. her BFF worked in a book store. another of her BFF worked as a cashier at a supermarket.

temp jobs are plenty in msia. you just need to learn how to find them. GOOGLE!

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post Feb 9 2017, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Aug 18 2016, 08:04 AM)
Thanks for highlighting .... rclxms.gif
Btw, St George's is recognised by Sing Med Council , but Plymouth is not.
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No wonder my niece got an invitation to apply for that housemanship in Singapore when she graduated last year.
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post Sep 23 2017, 08:32 PM

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My niece's application for housemanship waiver was approved my MMC. She finished her 1st year housemanship in UK after completing her medical degree in London. She will start as an MO in a govt hospital for the compulsory 2-year service.

Did anyone (overseas medical graduate) receive similar waiver from MMC before?
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post Sep 24 2017, 12:11 PM

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QUOTE(Jckc @ Sep 24 2017, 02:42 AM)
Never of anyone getting a waiver before but its interesting she came back before she finished her 2nd year. she could have just finished off her second year in uk and get an exemption from the compulsory service.
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She had to return home for family matters and completed the 1st yr housemanship in U.K. But thank God she got the 2-year housemanship waiver and she will start her medical practice as an MO in a govt hospital soon.
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post Sep 24 2017, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Sep 24 2017, 12:16 PM)
Statutory requirement is one year for full registration in both countries, although the fy/housemanship are 2 years....

There is no exemption for compulsory service based on years worked in other countries...

Going forward, the criteria for housemanship and compulsory service exemption will be relaxed, as the system strains under the tsunami....
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True, she has to work in govt hospital for 2 years which is compulsory for those who have completed their HMO.

But she told me that MMC is mulling over to waive the 2-year compulsory service if govt isn't able to provide them with placements in govt hospital within 6 months of putting in the applications for the service.

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Sep 24 2017, 12:34 PM)
Directive is already out...as I said, criteria for exemption is getting easier...no job offer, exempt...lol

Going to be a lot of unemployed doctors....the private sector has no capacity to absorb these junior doctors....
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One big question is that JPA is silent on the bond period of its medical scholars. MMC could give exemptions on the compulsory service, but JPA isn't saying anything regarding the scholarship bond.
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post Sep 25 2017, 05:55 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Sep 24 2017, 01:42 PM)
As per normal jpa procedure, if a scholar do not get offered a job by gov agencies as per agreement, then they are released from the bond....

In the past, this does not occur for doctors, as all gets jobs....this is still the case for the statutory housemanship....

The question is, if after the housemanship, the doctor do not get offered a gov job, what happens....by the same agreement, they should be released....but this had not been tested yet...
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I cautioned my niece to get everything in black and white from JPA and not assume that every MMC decisions automatically apply to JPA scholarship bond.

This is to avoid unecessary embarassment and hardship to her should JPA decide to issue a demand letter for a RM1 million to her for having allegedly breached the contract. My sister (her mother) nanti pengsan! biggrin.gif

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post Sep 27 2017, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Sep 27 2017, 11:13 AM)
Did she get any clinical experience during the first year of the foundation year? I thought its mainly paper work in the first year. How would she be able to to work as an MO without the relevant housemanship experience. Its not so much on the exemption, its the competency that we are talking about.
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Of course she did her clinical rotations in UK after she graduated as a medical doctor doh.gif . She had 3 different rotations at the hospitals she was attached to during the first year of the foundation year. She's now a registered doctor in UK (and also now in Malaysia).

Why the "cynical" queries from you? You think MMC would just simply waive the HMO requirement for medical graduates who do not go through the normal housemanship practice? Give MMC some credit laaaa..

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Sep 27 2017, 09:32 PM)
What were the 3 rotations? In Malaysia we got 6 rotations.

Lucky she didn't experience this:



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I believe she would have gone through the next 3 rotations had she stayed on in UK for her 2nd year foundation.

I don't know what 3 rotations she went through during her first year foundation in U.K.

How about you? How far have you progressed in your medical career pursuit?

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Sep 28 2017, 10:43 AM)
Indeed... I call it HELLMANSHIP...

She had better done Medical, Surgical and OBGyn rotations... otherwise she will be deep sh*t as an MO... particularly if she is posted in Klinik Kesihatan...
... wait... Paediatric rotation is damn important too....  laugh.gif

This should be interesting...  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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We will see how my niece copes when she starts her MO posting. 😬
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QUOTE(EricRoxz @ Nov 2 2017, 02:05 AM)
What will happen if a JPA scholar rejected Housemanship offer and went somewhere else to do other medical-related jobs?
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That is in violation of the scholarship bond condition.

He has to pay up in full to JPA, and the guarantor will be sued too.

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QUOTE(EricRoxz @ Nov 4 2017, 12:08 PM)
Full amount as in the tuition fees and living expenses right? Are there any interest rates involved here?
Must pay all in one shot?
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go ask JPA.
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QUOTE(Syd G @ Dec 12 2017, 04:01 PM)
You're absolutely right on that regards. And this is based on the assumption that everyone will get to practice medicine after they're booted out of gov service.

Still, the ROI for medicine is horrible if you're only given 4 years of confirmed employment with the government. Further structured training as specialists through the masters program are only available to less than 20% of the yearly intake. And unlike engineering and law, medical training in Malaysia can only be done in the gov sector.

So lets say if you spent RM300,000 in a low tier private med school and gets HO/MO salary of RM6k average over 4 years... that's bad. The private GP scene is getting saturated. You may get RM8-10k monthly tops after that if you're lucky.

I'll admit that I dont know how much lawyers and engineers earn after 5, 10, 15, 20 years of practice biggrin.gif
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my own experience as an engineer in oil&gas industry, the first 8 years salary increased linearly. After that, the sky was the limit, until the crude oil price crashed a few years back. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(cckkpr @ Dec 12 2017, 04:45 PM)
And as cybersetan says, when they discovered during housemen period, they are not made for medicine...you will wonder what's next
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that is tragic.

but it's no easy to screen out aspiring high school kids who are genuinely "doctor-material".

it's the same with engineering. a school mate who did his degree and masters in engineering at Imperial College, ended up opening his own music school and taught piano lessons to kids.

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Dec 18 2017, 07:11 PM)
Word of advice for him...

If he is posted in any one of the major referral hospitals in Sabah...

...be warned and be prepared to be ridiculed and treated as a Houseman by the specialists/consultants there, they will look down on peninsular-trained new MOs versus Sabah/Sarawak-trained MOs unless he is able to prove to them that he is competent and at-par with their own trained MOs...

Previously as a houseman, I watched how some of the new MOs from peninsular Malaysia getting scolded and humiliated during rounds by their specialists/consultants due to their inability to 'adapt' or handle themselves as MOs - as if they are no different from HOs... These new MOs too have tagging period and assesment...   biggrin.gif
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Have you got the experience watching new MOs perform in GHs who graduated from overseas? How are they treated by the specialists/consultants?

My niece was about to start as a freshie MO in a GH. She’s exempted from doing housemanship in Msia since she’s completed her F1 in UK. She’s understandably anxious and apprehensive to commence work in a Msian GH.

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Jul 23 2018, 11:40 PM)
Which GH? It doesn't really matter whether the new MO graduated from where... it is where the new MO did their HOship that the consultants/Specialists want to know.

I have yet to see how a new MO (UD43) that directly entered Government service being treated by the consultants/specialists.
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She’s got a place as an MO at UM Medical Centre.

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Jul 30 2018, 10:11 PM)
Aah... if she got posted to Sabah/Sarawak, she would have gained the upper hand for selection into Masters program in IPTA... Plus the lifetime experience of working there...
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Noted that.

She’s taking the MRCP route for specialisation. She sat for the first part MRCP exam recently at UM.

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