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English Clubs Liverpool FC- The Kop Talk 2012, Bye Dirk Kuyt!

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post May 20 2012, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(Ichighost @ May 20 2012, 05:44 PM)
hmm dont be..i mean you dont need to be worried about torres at all...you all let him walk alone..come on..that guy put 50mil and years of service for Liverpool FC..that guy deserves some respect..

He played..so not nothing at all..maybe not as much as we all expect but..he contributed..if u really say that he basically did nothing..then you already undermined the backup players and youngsters of Liverpool that help u to win the League Cup..
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QUOTE(raf93 @ May 20 2012, 05:53 PM)
you butthurt because chelsea got the UCL trophy instead liverpool?
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QUOTE(madfag @ May 20 2012, 05:59 PM)
yeah we do expect alot from Torres, but regardless, look at the Chelsea fans, we cheer him on every time he warms up, even after 1.5 years without making much of an impact. yet almost half you decides to continue to belittle him because he decided to leave.
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please la bros. you won the cup so savor it. what i feel about torres, no offense, why do you care? more over, i just said he basically did nothing much in his chelsea career, not in the game itself. so can you give me proof that he had a WONDERFUL career at chelsea so far? if you can do that, i would be humbled to apologize, no problem. you all really read into my post in a negative way

@raf93: so what if i butthurt? no we won the cup 5 times. no problemo. been there, done that. please, next reply, mention about your season as compared to us, mention the FA cup bla bla bla... i dont get why do you even bother when you already won the CL. if i'm torres, i wont be proud with my season where i know i can do much better, once the most feared striker in the world. which makes you prouder? considering you basically did nothing and hold a winners' medal, or scored the winning goal in a final? you get my point? doh.gif


Added on May 20, 2012, 6:21 pm
QUOTE(madfag @ May 20 2012, 05:59 PM)
yeah we do expect alot from Torres, but regardless, look at the Chelsea fans, we cheer him on every time he warms up, even after 1.5 years without making much of an impact. yet almost half you decides to continue to belittle him because he decided to leave.
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bro, you should put yourself in the shoes of the fans who are bitter towards him. and no offense, but we have something called "you'll never walk alone". regardless the money his transfer gave us, the motive of his move did him no good. and even so, what did he do after he left us? had he said anything about Liverpool since he left? you ask us not to belittle him, but you can forgive the man fot belittling the club whom made him?

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QUOTE(Petre @ May 20 2012, 06:17 PM)
please la bros. you won the cup so savor it. what i feel about torres, no offense, why do you care? more over, i just said he basically did nothing much in his chelsea career, not in the game itself. so can you give me proof that he had a WONDERFUL career at chelsea so far? if you can do that, i would be humbled to apologize, no problem. you all really read into my post in a negative way

@raf93: so what if i butthurt? no we won the cup 5 times. no problemo. been there, done that. please, next reply, mention about your season as compared to us, mention the FA cup bla bla bla... i dont get why do you even bother when you already won the CL. if i'm torres, i wont be proud with my season where i know i can do much better, once the most feared striker in the world. which makes you prouder? considering you basically did nothing and hold a winners' medal, or scored the winning goal in a final? you get my point?  doh.gif


Added on May 20, 2012, 6:21 pm

bro, you should put yourself in the shoes of the fans who are bitter towards him. and no offense, but we have something called "you'll never walk alone". regardless the money his transfer gave us, the motive of his move did him no good. and even so, what did he do after he left us? had he said anything about Liverpool since he left? you ask us not to belittle him, but you can forgive the man fot belittling the club whom made him?
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QUOTE(madfag @ May 20 2012, 05:59 PM)
yeah we do expect alot from Torres, but regardless, look at the Chelsea fans, we cheer him on every time he warms up, even after 1.5 years without making much of an impact. yet almost half you decides to continue to belittle him because he decided to leave.
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why you need to come here i dont know. i'm not one of those that still butthurt about torres leaving but your statement about half of us is abit exaggerated. most fans has moved on. the lot that still butthurt they have their own reason but most us dont. we already got suarez and.. and.. who that tall fella again?

btw, do you know how much us fans cheer for him when he still with us? even when he injured most of the season? even after he sulk in a game?

he finally won a CL medal that he always wanted.. good for him. all the best of luck.



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There are rumor AVB will be offered Liverpool manager job in this week.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/321304...op-great-again-

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you're right, i guess i shouldnt care about what you guys think about Torres.

Apologies.

And in the years to come, I hope he will be remembered for playing in a blue jersey than a red one.
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QUOTE(rushmode @ May 20 2012, 06:28 PM)
he finally won a CL medal that he always wanted.. good for him.
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yes, it would be a shame for any great player to retire someday without any major achievement. i'm glad he got his medal. hope the world can witness him playing again like he used to be in his best years with us. his plunge of form is a loss to football fans

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QUOTE(Petre @ May 20 2012, 07:17 PM)
please la bros. you won the cup so savor it. what i feel about torres, no offense, why do you care? more over, i just said he basically did nothing much in his chelsea career, not in the game itself. so can you give me proof that he had a WONDERFUL career at chelsea so far? if you can do that, i would be humbled to apologize, no problem. you all really read into my post in a negative way
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once you post on a forum..i taught it meant to be share among us..that is why we reply..if not I apologies about that..

nothing much but still contributing..his assist is vital for us..WONDERFUL..nope..but quite a good once..if we consider him as the second choice striker behind Drogba..

maybe the timing of your post..just right after torres won ucl..make it look negative..above all apologies if i done something wrong here.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(madfag @ May 20 2012, 06:59 PM)
yeah we do expect alot from Torres, but regardless, look at the Chelsea fans, we cheer him on every time he warms up, even after 1.5 years without making much of an impact. yet almost half you decides to continue to belittle him because he decided to leave.
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There are 2 faults with Torres that we would always remember.

1. He claims his loyalty to the club. Hands in transfer request the next week / month (can't exactly remember)
2. His interviews slagged off Liverpool.

There are others, but basically its these 2.

We wish him the success, but not at the expense of LFC.
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QUOTE(Petre @ May 20 2012, 06:17 PM)
please la bros. you won the cup so savor it. what i feel about torres, no offense, why do you care? more over, i just said he basically did nothing much in his chelsea career, not in the game itself. so can you give me proof that he had a WONDERFUL career at chelsea so far? if you can do that, i would be humbled to apologize, no problem. you all really read into my post in a negative way

@raf93: so what if i butthurt? no we won the cup 5 times. no problemo. been there, done that. please, next reply, mention about your season as compared to us, mention the FA cup bla bla bla... i dont get why do you even bother when you already won the CL. if i'm torres, i wont be proud with my season where i know i can do much better, once the most feared striker in the world. which makes you prouder? considering you basically did nothing and hold a winners' medal, or scored the winning goal in a final? you get my point?  doh.gif


Added on May 20, 2012, 6:21 pm

bro, you should put yourself in the shoes of the fans who are bitter towards him. and no offense, but we have something called "you'll never walk alone". regardless the money his transfer gave us, the motive of his move did him no good. and even so, what did he do after he left us? had he said anything about Liverpool since he left? you ask us not to belittle him, but you can forgive the man fot belittling the club whom made him?
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ May 20 2012, 10:13 AM)
Bayern was immense against real madrid.

In the final, IN their own stadium, their tag got them to lose the edge. they were playing, dominating but weren't donig it right. no head. left to to all pretty much ribery & robben to launch ideas, creativity. both were terribly off color in shooting department. mario gomez, muller too were generally average (in light what they could really be as in their semi final into your face RM game)

and this is suppose to be against a chelsea side without 4-6  key players.
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Yeah, they just didn't do it right but they were not terrible, IMO. It's arguable that they deserved to win but we all know football doesn't work that way.

As I said, Chelsea defended well but they also had alot of luck going getting past the semis and winning the final. They did defend well against Barca and also last night but it still doesn't mean they had to score from their only handful of shots at goal!!

Anyways, congratulations to them, Abramovich's wait for the CL is over. Spent so much money and so many years on finding the right manager to win it but all along it was a former Chelsea player, lol.

Also proves that you do not need a manager with a great CV to do a great job. I'm not saying Martinez is the right man but Chelsea did win a prestigious cup double with a caretaker manager whose CV only has MK Dons and West Bromwich Albion as runners up in Championship.

As for Torres .. pfft. Forget about him la. He finally got the trophies he wanted but will he be able to tell his grandchildren "I played a huge part".

He's got the World Cup 2010, Euro 2008, Champions League 2012 and FA Cup 2012 right now but he only contributed directly to one of them.

I don't think the majority has a problem with him leaving .. it's just that .. he should of kept his mouth shut about Liverpool.
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QUOTE(kakashi44 @ May 20 2012, 06:29 PM)
There are rumor AVB will be offered  Liverpool manager job in this week.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/321304...op-great-again-
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It will be great if AVB comes to us. He is a very good manager. Hope he can do well with us if he comes.
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QUOTE(Ichighost @ May 20 2012, 06:38 PM)
once you post on a forum..i taught it meant to be share among us..that is why we reply..if not I apologies about that..

nothing much but still contributing..his assist is vital for us..WONDERFUL..nope..but quite a good once..if we consider him as the second choice striker behind Drogba..

maybe the timing of your post..just right after torres won ucl..make it look negative..above all apologies if i done something wrong here.. tongue.gif
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Between AVB and Rafa, i will go for the former, the latter is a spent force.......


Added on May 20, 2012, 7:45 pmPEP GUARDIOLA JOINS LIVERPOOL LIST TO REPLACE DALGLISH


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/320896/320896

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how about di matteo if chelsea really want to get rid of him? hahaha
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So much for doing things behind closed doors, but here's another revealing article on our owners' vision.

Once again, interesting parts bolded my me. smile.gif

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New beginnings for Liverpool
FSG need to choose carefully when they appoint a successor to Kenny Dalglish, writes Dion Fanning

Source: http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/pre...ol-3112724.html

Kenny Dalglish was appointed Liverpool manager because he represented permanence and he was sacked last week because he couldn't change.

Dalglish waited 20 years to return to the club and when he did, he swiftly united it. Yet everything unravelled last season. Liverpool were unlucky too often and even an FA Cup final victory wouldn't have saved Dalglish.

Dalglish's persona remained unaltered over those 20 years. He retained the devotion of the supporters but as Liverpool continued to lose, he was unable to project a sense of control.

It was not about being media-friendly. Alex Ferguson, after all, is whatever the opposite of media-friendly is. Hate, Christopher Hitchens said, got him out of bed in the morning and the same could be said of Ferguson. He has dominated through this emotion, while Dalglish seemed only to be ruled by suspicion.

He may have been right to be suspicious but as Liverpool's season evolved in ways they couldn't have imagined, as the Suarez case created the false but powerful impression that this was a club soft on racism, Dalglish looked wary and powerless. If you're going to take on the world, as Alex Ferguson has always understood, you have to be sure you're going to win.

The Suarez case created the peripheral damage even as it struck at the heart, but Liverpool were undone by their league form, even if Dalglish is believed to have felt that victories in the cups would be enough this season.

Damien Comolli had already paid for the combination of the two. Comolli struck the deals for Stewart Downing and Andy Carroll but they were players Dalglish wanted. The policy of buying British may have been popular with some and ensured the players ended up in the England squad last week, but that only underlined the principle that form is temporary, crushing mediocrity is permanent.

Liverpool's owners, Fenway Sports Group, have promised that this summer it will be different. There will be no more Stewart Downings at £20m and they have embarked on an ambitious plan to transform the club, even if the plan so far has only been ridiculed.

FSG are right to make an appointment based on their own judgement, rather than be swayed by populist opinion. Any choice they make represents a gamble. FSG have worked out a structure they want to implement and it will only work if they appoint the manager they think is best suited to that role. They can't be swayed by the views of Liverpool fans, in either direction.

Once again, there are parallels with Newcastle United, who, despite being led by a man downing a pint in a replica jersey, soared like Superman while Liverpool, so proud of their ascetic sabermetrics credentials, suffered in their Bizarro world.

Mike Ashley is very different to John Henry, but things changed for him when he stopped listening to old-fashioned conventional football wisdom and worked in sport as he had in business.

Ashley, too, had brought back a messiah, albeit one who had achieved a lot less in management than Dalglish. Later, when he sacked Chris Hughton and appointed Alan Pardew, Ashley had to withstand more abuse from the supporters.

FSG spent the first 18 months doubting themselves and their own decisions. They are, informed sources suggest, more comfortable with those who advise them now than those who had influence in the past.


English football is a complex world and John Henry and Tom Werner have taken some time to discover that. They may wonder how they blew the Fernando Torres money on Downing and Carroll, but they are confident now that when it comes to player recruitment they can do what they had always wished.

The manager, too, will be appointed in consultation with the new men taking Comolli's role. Txiki Begiristain, the former Barcelona sporting director, is believed to be interested, but he hasn't been approached. Pep Segura, the technical manager at Liverpool's Academy, is also expected to be promoted. These positions will be filled before the new manager is confirmed.

Comolli's duties will be split between administrative tasks and the key job of finding players. He failed at that and the same mistakes won't be made this summer.

Comolli "interviewed well" when he got the job as director of football and this may underline the problem they face in finding a new manager. Candidates might be discounted if they reveal themselves to be arrogant in the interview process, it was suggested, but arrogance and knowing your own mind are assets in a football manager.

On Friday, they were considering talking to Rafael Benitez, having previously ruled him out. He still hadn't been approached by yesterday and there was some reluctance from club sources to suggest he was on the shortlist.

If Benitez was appointed they would fear losing control again, but they can't shirk from strong personalities. There is no point employing somebody agreeable, somebody who can fit into a management structure if they can't accommodate the creative brilliance of a man who knows what he wants.

Liverpool need to be prepared to be troubled by their manager. After all, there is no more intense and driven manager than Guardiola.

In some ways, it would be a self-destructive thankless job for Benitez. He would suffer from the high expectations from the fans who adore him and the bitter enmity from those who don't. Liverpool is not a club which observes moderation.

Benitez might be better off at another club where he can remind the world of his excellence as a coach. But he loves Liverpool and, given the nature of his departure two years ago and all that has happened since, he understandably craves a return.

He would be no more of a gamble than most of the names mentioned and the gamble comes with the baggage rather than his coaching ability. On that criteria, he is the outstanding candidate, once Guardiola and Jurgen Klopp have been dismissed as fanciful.

FSG have heard from many sources that he is a difficult man and having had to dismiss two managers in their first 18 months, they would understandably hesitate if they are influenced by those views.

Nobody would claim he is easy but there is a long list of players who want to work with him again and when even Benitez's nemesis, Christian Purslow, says he is a strong candidate, FSG are risking further alienation from supporters by refusing to talk to him.

If he is suggested by the men advising FSG, Benitez will be approached. There is, however, a reluctance to interview him if he isn't going to get the job. Politically, it is hard to understand how they could refuse to meet him.

FSG would need to be convinced he could work within the model they propose and Benitez might be happy with a one-year rolling contract which would leave both sides with an exit strategy.

Andre Villas-Boas will be approached this week. AVB's man-management skills make Benitez look like Ron Atkinson. He is no Mr Bojangles and if anything he came out of the Chelsea debacle less tarnished than he should have been.

The seductive notion of the mutinous Stamford Bridge dressing room has masked how spectacularly badly he handled the job. There were strong personalities, but beyond the usual suspects it was routine to hear in his final weeks how he had alienated most players in the squad.

More importantly, he made a mess of his remit and was fired. Survival is the starting point for a manager and he undermined himself with his sensitivity and inability to bring key players with him. He might have learned from that but it would be a risky appointment for a dressing room that needs managing.

Before the FA Cup final, Pepe Reina offered an insight into Fernando Torres' problems which countered the idea that it was only the old hands at Chelsea that struggled with AVB. "It is much easier to get over mistakes when you know you have the confidence of your manager and your team-mates. With Villas-Boas, especially, I don't think Fernando felt that," he said.

AVB is somebody who will interview well, in fact he will probably ace an interview, which underlines the risks in their strategy.

A manager like Frank de Boer, who has already been approached and expressed an interest, would offer more authority and may fit within the framework. He would also allow Liverpool to make a fresh start. Alan Pardew and Marcelo Bielsa are not in contention. Despite his statement on Friday, Brendan Rodgers has not been discounted yet, while Roberto Martinez is a gamble, but a manager who fits into their model.

Liverpool shouldn't shirk from strong personalities. A club built on everyone getting on is doomed. So is a club where nobody gets on.

The managing director Ian Ayre has signed a new contract. He found it hard to stand up to Dalglish, it is said, which led to problems in the Suarez-Evra case.

FSG expect those they appoint to do the work they were employed to do. "Do people want them to be hands-on like Abramovich, interfering in everything?" a source close to them asked last week.

Even an exceptional case like the Suarez-Evra incident was expected to be handled by Ayre, Comolli and Dalglish. None of them managed it in the most spectacular PR disaster for the club. Ayre remains at the club, rolling out his vision 'going forward'.

The new man, an FSG source insisted, wouldn't be fired if Liverpool finished fifth or sixth. "They aren't Chelsea," he added.

Dalglish is believed to have felt the demands were altered as the season progressed. He was said to be devastated last week, despite the typical public statements backing the club.

Liverpool's stature as a great football club stands most profoundly now in its ability to provide psychodrama. Dalglish left Anfield 21 years ago at the peak of his powers but worn down by Hillsborough. He watched people die supporting the club he loved and then felt it was his duty to let the tragedy consume him.

He left last week as a potent symbol of what Liverpool once stood for. He is an exiled king now, another tragic figure wandering the heath.

FSG took possession of the club last week. Exorcising the ghosts will be much more difficult.

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QUOTE(carloz28 @ May 20 2012, 10:38 AM)
Tactically genius? Setting up your team to defend from the start until end?

Chelsea should thank their lucky stars although Bayern's offence were not that clinical yesterday, they pretty much dominated the opposition throughout the entire match.

The moment Drogba equalized, it was all over for them. (That was a superb header btw). One chance, one goal. Sometimes it is all it takes to win a game.

Have to admit feeling bitter that the Russkies won it. Nobody can deny now that money INDEED will buy you sucess.
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Added on May 20, 2012, 8:02 pm
QUOTE(raf93 @ May 20 2012, 05:53 PM)
you butthurt because chelsea got the UCL trophy instead liverpool?
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Since Chelsea have finally won the UCL,does roman let go chelsea now? hmm.gif

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Btw, just a question.
Now that Owen is a free agent, would you welcome him back to Anfield if he wants back in?
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QUOTE(Adryan @ May 20 2012, 08:09 PM)
Yeah, they just didn't do it right but they were not terrible, IMO. It's arguable that they deserved to win but we all know football doesn't work that way.

As I said, Chelsea defended well but they also had alot of luck going getting past the semis and winning the final. They did defend well against Barca and also last night but it still doesn't mean they had to score from their only handful of shots at goal!!

Anyways, congratulations to them,  Abramovich's wait for the CL is over. Spent so much money and so many years on finding the right manager to win it but all along it was a former Chelsea player, lol.

Also proves that you do not need a manager with a great CV to do a great job. I'm not saying Martinez is the right man but Chelsea did win a prestigious cup double with a caretaker manager whose CV only has MK Dons and West Bromwich Albion as runners up in Championship.

As for Torres .. pfft. Forget about him la. He finally got the trophies he wanted but will he be able to tell his grandchildren "I played a huge part".

He's got the World Cup 2010, Euro 2008, Champions League 2012 and FA Cup 2012 right now but he only contributed directly to one of them.

I don't think the majority has a problem with him leaving .. it's just that .. he should of kept his mouth shut about Liverpool.
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I told my Chelsea friend in feb'12, I sense this season's CL, they may have their own version of 'CL miracle', mirroring our Istanbul experience. The were many pararells on their path as was ours, underdogs at preliminary stages, trials & tubalation within the club. Chelsea has a good squad, all it needs balance. Of course the 'players power' is a little concern but what can you do as it was a manifestation from mourino's brewing during his days there.

Di matteo, an italian, they are one of the best in giving others a lesson in tight disipline defense.

Some may argue it's mourino's core 'squad' that won this years CL. Core? Drogba, lampard, cole probably but I think the whole other players should be giving a pat on the back. Juan mata was immense. The whole Chelsea was desipline and patient. Of course they didn't want to concede muller's goal but what a header by drogba.




We may be bitter n jibe about Chelsea's win from all the years Abramovich's billions, or even oil sheiks indulgence at man city. Look at real Madrid, Barcelona and 9/10 of all the major throphies won by clubs have in common. It's investing big money into the best talents. (Of course we discovered expen$ive and immense talent is not mutually exclusive).

It not by fluke, or by chance a club win a league title. It's also just not about amassing a huge expensive talented squad, making them gel is something the manager has to brew, and brew well.

Pulling in the best talents out there, offering them an avenue to display their skills, orchestrated by sensible managers.

Maybe we too need to look ourselves in the mirror. It's almost by design, an organization or a business corporation will do well when they map out a clear strategy, though it mustn't be too rigid. Consumers taste are always changing.

We are at times, dragged by our own expectations, too rigid to change to the ever developing football landscape.



QUOTE(swks26 @ May 20 2012, 09:26 PM)
Btw, just a question.
Now that Owen is a free agent, would you welcome him back to Anfield if he wants back in?
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We now even prefer to get other clubs to pay aquilani and cole (half) high salaries. We are not even willing to get them as bench squad players. I get doh.gif when some of us say they don't wan to play for Liverpool. Bro, if it's mutual, then just tear up the contracts la (let them go go free), but of course we can't, for we need to "recoup" back some $$ yawn.gif

He left for greener pastures. I don't think we are willing to pay his salary sitting on the bench. rolleyes.gif tongue.gif


just heard a podcast of MO arrangement he had at MU (before it ended this week). 140K shocking.gif pay as you play (even as sub).

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post May 20 2012, 08:28 PM

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There's a reason why he's a free agent. No thanks - he's a walking deadwood.


Added on May 20, 2012, 8:37 pmI've already said it many times, people who underestimated Chelsea do so at their own perils. Chelsea went into that match last night like a wounded animal and they were not going to go down whimpering.

Over the years, their managers have built them based on pace and muscle. It's the perfect combination for defensive - countering attacking football. So when push comes to shove, you'd be a fool to not make full use of it.

Practicality > Aesthetic

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