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Photography The Official Nikon Discussion Thread Ver.15, Get your D800/D4 now !

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post Apr 14 2012, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(celciuz @ Apr 12 2012, 10:08 PM)
Putting that aside... I'm anticipating for your images from Bangkok... wanna see full size too... D800's 36MP glory!
Ah... Clever to steer back to a hot topic ! I thought I can avoid a bit. Been very busy meeting datelines till no time to be online. I'll try and post a few.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Apr 12 2012, 10:08 PM)
My friend just came back from China with shots taken on his D800... doesn't look impressive sad.gif I'm losing interest... come on let me see some great stuff.
What kind of pics he takes? What lenses does he have? The D800 has a lot of tech in there and if you overdo it, the pics look a little flat.

Anyway, to be honest with you, I felt I could have gotten more keepers with the D700. The D800 is very sensitive to camera shake so much so if I'm shooting at 200mm, I need 1/400s to get consistant results. Perhaps people with more steady hands and VR can do better. Secondly, I found the first day was a little bit of a letdown. Trying to find the best settings on a new camera is not easy.

QUOTE(hkenh @ Apr 12 2012, 10:19 PM)
actually the difference on screen is subtle la. . . unless you have two identical frame of shots taken with the cameras
it's only when you print a large final image that can you can appreciate the improvement the new camera gives you, even then it depends what are you shooting.

but of cos, other than the IQ, there's many new added features for the better experience of the photographers that final images can't tell.

if one just show a 2MP picture I bet no one can tell it's a D800 from a D700. It's doesn't do magic or makes a picture taken with an already amazing D700 suddenly look incomparable.
Don't know leh... But taking pics from the D700 and the D800 and resizing them to the same size, I find the D800 pics has a little more zing to it. Perhaps that's just me. I'll try and post last year's Bangkok photos. Their lighting didn't change much. In fact, the placement of car manufacturers in the hall almost the same as last year !

Anyway, the details on the D800 pics is scary. When focus is spot on, everything can be seen. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(hkenh @ Apr 12 2012, 10:48 PM)
i posted once  tongue.gif . . . have been busy preparing my for my final year in uni so it's been long since I last went out to shoot.
not yet own the D800, at first plan to get one this month, but with all the issue and it seems like they stop sending new stocks for now (probably dealing with all the issue reported?), I'll probably get it by June just to hope they sorted out the AF (I don't bother about the green tint, it's the AF that is worrying because I shoot lots of wide angle shots).  icon_rolleyes.gif
I did a quick test and indeed there is a problem with the left side AF when shooting with the 24mm f/1.4 at f/1.4 and the 14-24mm f/2.8 at f/2.8 near MFD. Need to investigate more because DoF is so thin when the subject is so close. More often than not, just a slight movement of the subject or the hand will get the subject OOF.

QUOTE(hkenh @ Apr 12 2012, 10:48 PM)
for the IQ, I've been looking everywhere that has pro photog posted pictures with D800. But seriously, if not for the EXIF reader they could have posted pictures taken with D90, D3, D700 and I won't have a clue it's not from D800.
That's true. You will only appreciate the resolving power of the D800 when viewing 100% on the monitor. I don't print billboards but then again, I see the huge MP as an advantage because when reduced, the noise and details is far far better than the D700.

QUOTE(hkenh @ Apr 12 2012, 10:48 PM)
the one new features I like a lot is the new metering and face detection. I shoot loadsa streets photo and with D700 a lot of time it underexposed the face of the subject and by the time u realized you've missed the moment. But I have yet to hands on one though, so not sure how good is it. All I know now are from info and views of those who have used it.
Metering and focus is good. Better than D700. Yet to try the face detection. I read it's only available in LV mode? I may be wrong.

QUOTE(hkenh @ Apr 12 2012, 10:48 PM)
but if i really bought it, it's because my hand really itchy rather than it will improve the IQ of my image. hahahaha because not like i'll print 40'' size or larger for all my pictures anyway laugh.gif
That's true. I do miss the faster fps on the D700. At some points, I shot the D800 continuously and after like 100 shots of so, I noticed that it was quite warm to touch. It is as if I put the camera in the car for an hour under the hot sun.

QUOTE(iloveOov @ Apr 13 2012, 02:39 PM)
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Woow ! Congrats... I thought the E would only come out much later? I guess not.

QUOTE(celciuz @ Apr 14 2012, 01:01 AM)
I think these location best to use flash... just like when I was at BIMS2012, flash yields better results.
Agreed.
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jchue73, I'm going to take the full size from my friend to take a look... he posted landscape photo. Lens used is a 16-35 f/4 VR... the images looks 'shaky'... doesn't look sharp.
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Speaking of D800...shinchan sent me this photo the other day

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Is it anyone from lolyat? laugh.gif
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celciuz never cease to amaze me with his lighting skills. I'm still clueless until now, as to how he gets such great pictures notworthy.gif


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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Apr 12 2012, 07:22 PM)
If I get into event photography ( those who know me should know what I aspire to shoot) ..have to really replace my slow Tamron 17-50 liao sad.gif Probably a Sigma 17-50 (if good copy) or something......

p/s: Don't recommend me 17-55 f/2.8 lahh.... I know it's gooding but very $$$ yo!
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QUOTE(celciuz @ Apr 14 2012, 12:44 AM)
Last year I got bored d sad.gif the event just not like it used to be.
Yeah, you can get nice catch light and nice exposure easily.

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Apr 14 2012, 01:07 AM)
Anyway, the details on the D800 pics is scary. When focus is spot on, everything can be seen.  biggrin.gif

That's true. You will only appreciate the resolving power of the D800 when viewing 100% on the monitor. I don't print billboards but then again, I see the huge MP as an advantage because when reduced, the noise and details is far far better than the D700.

Metering and focus is good. Better than D700. Yet to try the face detection. I read it's only available in LV mode? I may be wrong.

That's true. I do miss the faster fps on the D700. At some points, I shot the D800 continuously and after like 100 shots of so, I noticed that it was quite warm to touch. It is as if I put the camera in the car for an hour under the hot sun.
Yeah, one thing I like a lot is details. I love to see DETAILS! tongue.gif
And the power of the sensor in enabling one to capture all the details and resolution makes you feel the money invested in expensive glass money well spent. laugh.gif

I read, you need to switch it on thru liveview but after that you can shoot it thru viewfinder and it will detect the face, which is great with backlit situation.

hehe, I seriously don't bother with fps. I shoot single shot mode all the time on my D700. Frankly, never once used CL or CH on the D700 for shooting(use it just to test it works rclxms.gif ). So I really can't relate to the fuss of 4fps is too slow etc by all the ppl. rclxm9.gif


Added on April 14, 2012, 2:12 amor maybe it already auto detect faces without doing anything. Does it frame the face when you playback the pictures?


Added on April 14, 2012, 2:24 amoh. . .apparently need to be in AF-C and Auto-area AF for it to work smile.gif
wow. . . some even says no more the need of focus and recompose!!!

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Midvalley is already in my ban list....however, even though the lighting is sucky, you can still creatively reinvent your light ala Joe McNally, by doing off camera flash...
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Guys... does D7000 perform well in HD video?
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yesterday was doing a yumcha session with my friends and somehow the topic of photography came up and one of my friend a canon user was saying that he "read an article or comments in dpreview that because d800's high MP, the current line up of nikkor lens cannot handle the resolution (meaning cannot maximize) and most images would become SOFT. thats why, Canon is not chasing MP's but changing its line up of lenses."

to me im normally pretty cool with who ever uses what la, not a real technical person either. for me its about the images at the end of the day not the technicalities of the gears. But when one hears smug comments like that, its kind of annoying. As if we are in the wrong camp and Nikon's made a booboo. I have heard this same sentiment from numerous d700 / d3 s/x owners. That D800's mp too high and current lens line up might not be able to maximize it. Maybe they are all reading from the same blog... hmm..

My unfounded theory is that it will look soft because its BIG. If you scale it down to maybe 12 mp it will look sharper than say actual 12mp sensor results. Anyone care to enlighten me..

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QUOTE(gerald7 @ Apr 14 2012, 09:20 AM)
yesterday was doing a yumcha session with my friends and somehow the topic of photography came up and one of my friend a canon user was saying that he "read an article or comments in dpreview that because d800's high MP, the current line up of nikkor lens cannot handle the resolution (meaning cannot maximize) and most images would become SOFT. thats why, Canon is not chasing MP's but changing its line up of lenses."

to me im normally pretty cool with who ever uses what la, not a real technical person either. for me its about the images at the end of the day not the technicalities of the gears. But when one hears smug comments like that, its kind of annoying. As if we are in the wrong camp and Nikon's made a booboo. I have heard this same sentiment from numerous d700 / d3 s/x owners. That D800's mp too high and current lens line up might not be able to maximize it. Maybe they are all reading from the same blog... hmm..

My unfounded theory is that it will look soft because its BIG. If you scale it down to maybe 12 mp it will look sharper than say actual 12mp sensor results. Anyone care to enlighten me..
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Clearly your friend has not even seen and pixel-peep a photo taken with D800 using Nikkor lenses.
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QUOTE(gerald7 @ Apr 14 2012, 09:20 AM)
yesterday was doing a yumcha session with my friends and somehow the topic of photography came up and one of my friend a canon user was saying that he "read an article or comments in dpreview that because d800's high MP, the current line up of nikkor lens cannot handle the resolution (meaning cannot maximize) and most images would become SOFT. thats why, Canon is not chasing MP's but changing its line up of lenses."

to me im normally pretty cool with who ever uses what la, not a real technical person either. for me its about the images at the end of the day not the technicalities of the gears. But when one hears smug comments like that, its kind of annoying. As if we are in the wrong camp and Nikon's made a booboo. I have heard this same sentiment from numerous d700 / d3 s/x owners. That D800's mp too high and current lens line up might not be able to maximize it. Maybe they are all reading from the same blog... hmm..

My unfounded theory is that it will look soft because its BIG. If you scale it down to maybe 12 mp it will look sharper than say actual 12mp sensor results. Anyone care to enlighten me..
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mornings buddy! biggrin.gif

Maybe you can take this website as a reference, but always take everything with a pinch and salt biggrin.gif

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/03/d800-lens-selection

They have the widest range of lenses! Too bad they do not test the lens both wide open and 2-3 stops above...
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Not going to smack talk but your friend doesnt know about much about Nikon's move on a high MP body and to be frank, Nikon lenses can sustain the high MP.

D800 is a specific camera for still shooters but heck, you can use it for other purpose too. NIKKOR pro lenses reportedly to be able to cope with the high MP.

D800 produce a very detailed rendition. If compared to D4, D4 looks soft @ 100% while D800 @ 100% looks crispy sharp. Tested with 300mm f/2.8 AF-I, 80-200mm AF-S, and 70-210mm AF-D

Though I didnt have the D800 with me, I cant share the comparison pics but I can have this video to support my comparison.. http://youtu.be/5g65ANaVnL4

When Canon came out 5D Mark II.. its clearly that Canon is directing themselves into videography so MP chase or not, each makers have their own goals and direction now.

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Apr 14 2012, 01:47 AM)
celciuz never cease to amaze me with his lighting skills. I'm still clueless until now, as to how he gets such great pictures  notworthy.gif
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Looks for nice available light if possible, if not create your own lighting.

QUOTE(Sadru @ Apr 14 2012, 01:50 AM)
THE BOKEH!! available light also?
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Yeap, available light. Taken at the PC Guru area where at the back is the glass where light shines in.

QUOTE(geekster129 @ Apr 14 2012, 05:47 AM)
Midvalley is already in my ban list....however, even though the lighting is sucky, you can still creatively reinvent your light ala Joe McNally, by doing off camera flash...
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LOL! But not all the time have a VAL aka voice activated lightstand to hold >_<
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QUOTE(gerald7 @ Apr 14 2012, 09:20 AM)
yesterday was doing a yumcha session with my friends and somehow the topic of photography came up and one of my friend a canon user was saying that he "read an article or comments in dpreview that because d800's high MP, the current line up of nikkor lens cannot handle the resolution (meaning cannot maximize) and most images would become SOFT. thats why, Canon is not chasing MP's but changing its line up of lenses."

to me im normally pretty cool with who ever uses what la, not a real technical person either. for me its about the images at the end of the day not the technicalities of the gears. But when one hears smug comments like that, its kind of annoying. As if we are in the wrong camp and Nikon's made a booboo. I have heard this same sentiment from numerous d700 / d3 s/x owners. That D800's mp too high and current lens line up might not be able to maximize it. Maybe they are all reading from the same blog... hmm..

My unfounded theory is that it will look soft because its BIG. If you scale it down to maybe 12 mp it will look sharper than say actual 12mp sensor results. Anyone care to enlighten me..
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Nikon pro glass has no problem resolving the high MP
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/03/d-resolution-tests

I once read that those glass will only start to have problem out-resolving the sensor after 75MP based on some lp/mm thingy . . .
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QUOTE(gerald7 @ Apr 14 2012, 09:20 AM)
yesterday was doing a yumcha session with my friends and somehow the topic of photography came up and one of my friend a canon user was saying that he "read an article or comments in dpreview that because d800's high MP, the current line up of nikkor lens cannot handle the resolution (meaning cannot maximize) and most images would become SOFT. thats why, Canon is not chasing MP's but changing its line up of lenses."

to me im normally pretty cool with who ever uses what la, not a real technical person either. for me its about the images at the end of the day not the technicalities of the gears. But when one hears smug comments like that, its kind of annoying. As if we are in the wrong camp and Nikon's made a booboo. I have heard this same sentiment from numerous d700 / d3 s/x owners. That D800's mp too high and current lens line up might not be able to maximize it. Maybe they are all reading from the same blog... hmm..

My unfounded theory is that it will look soft because its BIG. If you scale it down to maybe 12 mp it will look sharper than say actual 12mp sensor results. Anyone care to enlighten me..
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There is a bit of truth in it. Use the 85mm f1.4 lens and use the 28-300mm lens at 85mm and I am sure you are getting 2 images in different sharpness.

Only Nikon top of the range lenses will give you fantastic image quality with the D800.

One thing that makes me perk up is the fact that you mention of downsizing a 36mp camera to 12mp. Please pardon my ignorance but why wouldayone want to do that? Why don't just get the D7000 then?
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QUOTE(raaisma @ Apr 14 2012, 10:05 AM)
Clearly your friend has not even seen and pixel-peep a photo taken with D800 using Nikkor lenses.
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haha not only him, I have not either. So I'm just keeping quite. smile.gif

QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Apr 14 2012, 10:22 AM)
mornings buddy! biggrin.gif

Maybe you can take this website as a reference, but always take everything with a pinch and salt biggrin.gif

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/03/d800-lens-selection

They have the widest range of lenses! Too bad they do not test the lens both wide open and 2-3 stops above...
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Afternoon. Thanks smile.gif

QUOTE(onscreen @ Apr 14 2012, 10:27 AM)
Not going to smack talk but your friend doesnt know about much about Nikon's move on a high MP body and to be frank, Nikon lenses can sustain the high MP.

D800 is a specific camera for still shooters but heck, you can use it for other purpose too. NIKKOR pro lenses reportedly to be able to cope with the high MP.

D800 produce a very detailed rendition. If compared to D4, D4 looks soft @ 100% while D800 @ 100% looks crispy sharp. Tested with 300mm f/2.8 AF-I, 80-200mm AF-S, and 70-210mm AF-D

Though I didnt have the D800 with me, I cant share the comparison pics but I can have this video  to support my comparison.. http://youtu.be/5g65ANaVnL4

When Canon came out 5D Mark II.. its clearly that Canon is directing themselves into videography so MP chase or not, each makers have their own goals and direction now.
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Well it does seem that canon could not do any wrong recently. build in flash triggers. 61 af points etc etc etc etc etc etc. Anyways I'll just wait and see whats coming replacement of d300/s looks like. decided not to even debate this non issue with him.

QUOTE(hkenh @ Apr 14 2012, 02:25 PM)
Nikon pro glass has no problem resolving the high MP
http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2012/03/d-resolution-tests

I once read that those glass will only start to have problem out-resolving the sensor after 75MP based on some lp/mm thingy . . .
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Interesting link smile.gif


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QUOTE(ifer @ Apr 14 2012, 05:20 PM)
There is a bit of truth in it. Use the 85mm f1.4 lens and use the 28-300mm lens at 85mm and I am sure you are getting 2 images in different sharpness.

Only Nikon top of the range lenses will give you fantastic image quality with the D800.

One thing that makes me perk up is the fact that you mention of downsizing a 36mp camera to 12mp. Please pardon my ignorance but why wouldayone want to do that? Why don't just get the D7000 then?
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Downsizing for comparison and debating purposes only . sweat.gif But I didnt that wont be a problem for me, as my d300 is still serving me very faithfully. wub.gif wub.gif wub.gif

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Gerald, that mountain is familiar.
What mountain is that ?
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Gerald, that mountain is familiar.
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It's really beautiful biggrin.gif
and the mist floating all over.

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