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Haha, try a newer DX body, the difference in hi-ISO IQ and dynamic range in general would poison you kaw kaw.
i must resist all poison first in before i need to replace my drawing tablet Photography The Official Nikon Discussion Thread Ver.15, Get your D800/D4 now !
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NCM is holding an event on 23rd June at Port Dickson! Anyone planning to head there?
Its only an hour ride from KL! http://www.nikonclub.com.my/pages/EventDetails.aspx?id=181 This post has been edited by Calvin Seak: Jun 6 2012, 12:27 AM |
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jun 6 2012, 12:26 AM) NCM is holding an event on 23rd June at Port Dickson! Anyone planning to head there? me not nikon club member and me not pro leh~ Its only an hour ride from KL! http://www.nikonclub.com.my/pages/EventDetails.aspx?id=181 |
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QUOTE(razuryza @ Jun 5 2012, 05:03 PM) 17-55 is existed long ago, but it is still selling... AiS lenses are too obvious. Yes, the 17-55mm f/2.8 lenses are still being sold. There are ones where people have bought since as far back as year 2004 when it first came out ! Very obvious that they are out of warranty but the ones bought as late as 2 or 3 years ago would be the ones that would be questionable by Nikon as warranty card looks identical to the one now.not like an ais manual lens, that is stop producing anymore... so they should warrant the claim unquestionable =) i claimed lots of lenses and flash.. but i do get rejected when wanna servicing my ais lens.. huhu.. reason? the lens is not producing anymore and lenses only got 10 years lifetime after it is produced QUOTE(Everdying @ Jun 5 2012, 05:05 PM) the warranty card also from few yrs ago looks different from nowadays. Yup. Those with older warranty cards sure cannot tipu. But I believe the warranty card as far as 2 or 3 years ago is the same as the one now if I'm not wrong. Those are the lenses that are in question and which Nikon wants to filter out.Not to imply that vearn27's warranty claim is bogus but from another point of view, Nikon does this to protect themselves. QUOTE(amduser @ Jun 5 2012, 05:07 PM) wow...i think i cannot observe this already, only got 300mm and no solar filter or nd filter 300mm would still look small. Unless you can crop crop crop... QUOTE(zhinsara @ Jun 5 2012, 05:19 PM) Hey, just need a quick opinion. I'm looking forward to the D600 or if that doesn't come out, a D700. The problem now is with my lens setup. I'm looking at my lens options right now and this is what I have. Distortions are not too bad. Unavoidable on 35mm format. You just need to know how to avoid it.Wide options are as follows : 16-35/4 17-35/2.8 Mid-zoom 24-70/2.8 28-70/2.8 Tele will be 70-200mm. The dilemma is that based on my shooting habits on DX, I use a lot of 17mm and 50mm, very little of the 35mm. To save you doing the maths, I use a lot of 25mm, and 70mm on FF. I wind up wishing I could go a little wider though. So, do I forget the mid range zoom, get a fast wide and a fast normal prime (50/1.8G), or just get the midrange zoom? I only have enough budget to cover the mid-range zoom (excluding tele, I'm replacing an older 80-200), so I can only have one, not both. Also, I read that the distortion on the 16-35/4 is ridiculous, any user opinions? If you need something wider and better performing that the 16-35mm f/4, the 14-24mm f/2.8 is the one. Cons? No VR and ND / CP filter system for it is very costly. Anyway, if you have to choose only one, the 24-70mm f/2.8 is a good all rounder lens. QUOTE(Everdying @ Jun 5 2012, 05:41 PM) for the price of a 24-70, you can get a 28 1.8G, 50mm 1.8G and 85mm 1.8G, and still have rm1k left in hand One lens to rule them all !!! Seriously, it would depend on the type of photography you're into. Event photography, the zoom would be number one. Studio portraiture / product photography / landscape photography would benefit having primes. The 24-70mm f/2.8 would be slightly inferior compared to the primes in the same focal length (especially corners) but flexibility wise, no prime can beat it. If you're willing to sacrifice a little bit of quality for speed and flexibility, the 24-70mm f/2.8 is the one to choose. QUOTE(Agito666 @ Jun 5 2012, 05:49 PM) lazy carry three lens then buy all rounder lens then. While this sounds too funny and almost like a joke, it's very true indeed.QUOTE(chongkiatz @ Jun 5 2012, 05:53 PM) But those lens will give u better image quality Nothing is ideal and perfect. Speed in exchange of sacrificing a little bit of quality is sometimes worth the gamble...QUOTE(zhinsara @ Jun 5 2012, 06:06 PM) But if I wanna go wider I cannot with the 24-70mm.... =/ Idk I'm confused as hell. Also I got DX cameras, won't be selling them. Ideally, the 14-24mm f/2.8 AND 24-70mm f/2.8.Since you only can have one at the moment, get the 24-70mm f/2.8. I would suggest keeping your DX as a 2nd body and mount a decent lens like the Sigma 10-20 to cover the extreme wide angles. The 24-70mm f/2.8 (or 70-200mm f/2.8 depending on the occasion) goes on the FX body. QUOTE(zhinsara @ Jun 5 2012, 06:06 PM) Oh don't tempt me. I want a set of that too Yup.QUOTE(zhinsara @ Jun 5 2012, 06:06 PM) Concert and event that time when low light (or for products etc when I need sharpness) I GG What's the problem with age? I still use lenses that are more than 10 years old.Anyway, f/1.4 lenses sound very nice to have and shoot with but for events and concerts, your subjects need to be very still to be able to get a shot in focus under low light. DoF is so thin. With bodies delivering crazy high ISOs at fantastic quality, you should not be worried about shooting with f/2.8 lenses. QUOTE(amduser @ Jun 6 2012, 12:32 AM) me not nikon club member and me not pro leh~ When their website was still new, I tried to register but somehow the application did not go through. Gave up after a few tries. |
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QUOTE(amduser @ Jun 5 2012, 08:08 PM) not so pro till can sell my stuff, wan try draw in home too bad my tablet is too old like D70s... but tablet is more worst condition due to i use so much lol. now this tablet can write only to be frank, draw is okay but annoying lor...the pressure is not so good already because stylus is half broken. (mau draw tetek also hard) in camera term, macam camera dynamic range is kena deduct sampai only can do B+W shot and the range is so bad until you can shoot darlie toothpaste type poster edge cut photo lol. This post has been edited by Agito666: Jun 6 2012, 02:18 AM |
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QUOTE(Agito666 @ Jun 6 2012, 02:18 AM) not so pro till can sell my stuff, wan try draw in home too bad my tablet is too old like D70s... but tablet is more worst condition due to i use so much lol. start shooting b+w, another form of art now this tablet can write only to be frank, draw is okay but annoying lor...the pressure is not so good already because stylus is half broken. (mau draw tetek also hard) in camera term, macam camera dynamic range is kena deduct sampai only can do B+W shot and the range is so bad until you can shoot darlie toothpaste type poster edge cut photo lol. |
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jun 6 2012, 12:26 AM) NCM is holding an event on 23rd June at Port Dickson! Anyone planning to head there? Its only an hour ride from KL! http://www.nikonclub.com.my/pages/EventDetails.aspx?id=181 |
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jun 6 2012, 01:38 AM) AiS lenses are too obvious. Yes, the 17-55mm f/2.8 lenses are still being sold. There are ones where people have bought since as far back as year 2004 when it first came out ! Very obvious that they are out of warranty but the ones bought as late as 2 or 3 years ago would be the ones that would be questionable by Nikon as warranty card looks identical to the one now. when you mention 10-20.. which sigma 10-20 you are referring to?Yup. Those with older warranty cards sure cannot tipu. But I believe the warranty card as far as 2 or 3 years ago is the same as the one now if I'm not wrong. Those are the lenses that are in question and which Nikon wants to filter out. Not to imply that vearn27's warranty claim is bogus but from another point of view, Nikon does this to protect themselves. 300mm would still look small. Unless you can crop crop crop... Distortions are not too bad. Unavoidable on 35mm format. You just need to know how to avoid it. If you need something wider and better performing that the 16-35mm f/4, the 14-24mm f/2.8 is the one. Cons? No VR and ND / CP filter system for it is very costly. Anyway, if you have to choose only one, the 24-70mm f/2.8 is a good all rounder lens. One lens to rule them all !!! Seriously, it would depend on the type of photography you're into. Event photography, the zoom would be number one. Studio portraiture / product photography / landscape photography would benefit having primes. The 24-70mm f/2.8 would be slightly inferior compared to the primes in the same focal length (especially corners) but flexibility wise, no prime can beat it. If you're willing to sacrifice a little bit of quality for speed and flexibility, the 24-70mm f/2.8 is the one to choose. While this sounds too funny and almost like a joke, it's very true indeed. Nothing is ideal and perfect. Speed in exchange of sacrificing a little bit of quality is sometimes worth the gamble... Ideally, the 14-24mm f/2.8 AND 24-70mm f/2.8. Since you only can have one at the moment, get the 24-70mm f/2.8. I would suggest keeping your DX as a 2nd body and mount a decent lens like the Sigma 10-20 to cover the extreme wide angles. The 24-70mm f/2.8 (or 70-200mm f/2.8 depending on the occasion) goes on the FX body. Yup. What's the problem with age? I still use lenses that are more than 10 years old. Anyway, f/1.4 lenses sound very nice to have and shoot with but for events and concerts, your subjects need to be very still to be able to get a shot in focus under low light. DoF is so thin. With bodies delivering crazy high ISOs at fantastic quality, you should not be worried about shooting with f/2.8 lenses. When their website was still new, I tried to register but somehow the application did not go through. Gave up after a few tries. |
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Anyone updated your D800/D4 firmware, new firmware is out already, to fix lockup issue
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QUOTE(tctham @ Jun 6 2012, 07:47 AM) when you mention 10-20.. which sigma 10-20 you are referring to? Apparently the older f/4 - /5.6 is the one to look for since it's marginally better than the newer f/3.5 but that's nitpicking.Speaking of which I actually have one (the older one) in my drybox. I also have also a D300 (less than 12k shutter count) and a Sigma 30mm f/1.4 prime that does not get used at all since going to FX. In case if anybody's interested, let me know. Added on June 6, 2012, 9:44 am QUOTE(bUGG @ Jun 6 2012, 09:39 AM) Anyone updated your D800/D4 firmware, new firmware is out already, to fix lockup issue Have yet to update mine. This post has been edited by jchue73: Jun 6 2012, 09:44 AM |
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jun 6 2012, 09:42 ) Have yet to update mine. |
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jun 6 2012, 09:42 AM) Apparently the older f/4 - /5.6 is the one to look for since it's marginally better than the newer f/3.5 but that's nitpicking. Speaking of which I actually have one (the older one) in my drybox. I also have also a D300 (less than 12k shutter count) and a Sigma 30mm f/1.4 prime that does not get used at all since going to FX. In case if anybody's interested, let me know. Added on June 6, 2012, 9:44 am Have yet to update mine. so they say even though the objects lies in the parallel to the sensor.. the corner objects may not be in focus even though the centre object is in focus.. is this claim true? is it a deal-breaker in actual shooting? or am i just looking at very trivial problems? i actually interested in the tokina 11-16.. but my camera have no motor to test the AF.. otherwise need borrow people's camera to test during COD |
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jun 6 2012, 01:38 AM) AiS lenses are too obvious. Yes, the 17-55mm f/2.8 lenses are still being sold. There are ones where people have bought since as far back as year 2004 when it first came out ! Very obvious that they are out of warranty but the ones bought as late as 2 or 3 years ago would be the ones that would be questionable by Nikon as warranty card looks identical to the one now. No filters for the 14-24 kind of kill it for me though. Got some ND and polarizers I occasionally use for landscapes on a Tokina 12-24 . Also, dat front element. But in my case I'm quite happy to sacrifice pure IQ in the form of primes for the speed and versatility of zooms.Yup. Those with older warranty cards sure cannot tipu. But I believe the warranty card as far as 2 or 3 years ago is the same as the one now if I'm not wrong. Those are the lenses that are in question and which Nikon wants to filter out. Not to imply that vearn27's warranty claim is bogus but from another point of view, Nikon does this to protect themselves. 300mm would still look small. Unless you can crop crop crop... Distortions are not too bad. Unavoidable on 35mm format. You just need to know how to avoid it. If you need something wider and better performing that the 16-35mm f/4, the 14-24mm f/2.8 is the one. Cons? No VR and ND / CP filter system for it is very costly. Anyway, if you have to choose only one, the 24-70mm f/2.8 is a good all rounder lens. One lens to rule them all !!! Seriously, it would depend on the type of photography you're into. Event photography, the zoom would be number one. Studio portraiture / product photography / landscape photography would benefit having primes. The 24-70mm f/2.8 would be slightly inferior compared to the primes in the same focal length (especially corners) but flexibility wise, no prime can beat it. If you're willing to sacrifice a little bit of quality for speed and flexibility, the 24-70mm f/2.8 is the one to choose. While this sounds too funny and almost like a joke, it's very true indeed. Nothing is ideal and perfect. Speed in exchange of sacrificing a little bit of quality is sometimes worth the gamble... Ideally, the 14-24mm f/2.8 AND 24-70mm f/2.8. Since you only can have one at the moment, get the 24-70mm f/2.8. I would suggest keeping your DX as a 2nd body and mount a decent lens like the Sigma 10-20 to cover the extreme wide angles. The 24-70mm f/2.8 (or 70-200mm f/2.8 depending on the occasion) goes on the FX body. Yup. What's the problem with age? I still use lenses that are more than 10 years old. Anyway, f/1.4 lenses sound very nice to have and shoot with but for events and concerts, your subjects need to be very still to be able to get a shot in focus under low light. DoF is so thin. With bodies delivering crazy high ISOs at fantastic quality, you should not be worried about shooting with f/2.8 lenses. When their website was still new, I tried to register but somehow the application did not go through. Gave up after a few tries. You're the first to suggest keeping the wide end on DX actually Heh 1.4 and 1.8 lenses are nice to have, but using my 50/1.8D it's nearly always stopped down to 2.8 or 4 just for the DOF. |
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QUOTE(tctham @ Jun 6 2012, 10:19 AM) so they say even though the objects lies in the parallel to the sensor.. the corner objects may not be in focus even though the centre object is in focus.. is this claim true? is it a deal-breaker in actual shooting? or am i just looking at very trivial problems? i actually interested in the tokina 11-16.. but my camera have no motor to test the AF.. otherwise need borrow people's camera to test during COD |
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QUOTE(Calvin Seak @ Jun 6 2012, 12:26 AM) NCM is holding an event on 23rd June at Port Dickson! Anyone planning to head there? aiya i normally also take an hour ride from KL to PJ on federal highway . during peak hourIts only an hour ride from KL! http://www.nikonclub.com.my/pages/EventDetails.aspx?id=181 whats the big deal |
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