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Photography The Official Nikon Discussion Thread Ver.15, Get your D800/D4 now !

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post Jun 6 2012, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(ongdennis @ Jun 6 2012, 11:38 AM)
the tokina 11-16 is like a "prime" lens...you will  mad.gif  mad.gif sometime when u try to zoom more when u need it...
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I think it'll be fine for me.. kekeke~ cuz i use primes most of the time.. even when i use my kit lens (18-55), i usually keep it at 55mm or 50mm f/8 and move around with my legs for composition.. i only zoom when there are no more rooms to move about.. or unless i want to capture more background.. cuz wider focal length will capture more of the background
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anyone care to comment on 18-135mm DX lens performance?

thinking to get one
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post Jun 6 2012, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(tctham @ Jun 6 2012, 10:19 AM)
sad.gif owh~ cuz i was reading somewhere about the sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 and some reviews say the lens is not overly sharp.. of course not expecting stellar performance, but they say the DOF is curved instead of being straight..
I can tell you wide open the Sigma it is not pin sharp. If you want sharp wide open, the Nikon AF-S 14-24mm f/2.8 is the one you should get. Even then, the 14-24mm f/2.8 is sharp in the centre and not sharp in the corners at f/2.8 wide open due to the wide curvature of the glass i.e. like what you mentioned DoF is not the same in the centre and in the corner. What more for a lens that is more than twice cheaper !

Anyway, why do you need a lens sharp wide open? Wide angle lenses for landscapes are usually stopped down to get DoF. By then, any erros due tot he lens curvature is taken care by the DoF from stopping down.

I'll post an example below that I took a while back and without looking at the EXIF, could you tell the difference between the two disregarding the slight WB and FoV difference? Stop down enough and you could not tell a difference at a glance.

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QUOTE(tctham @ Jun 6 2012, 10:19 AM)
so they say even though the objects lies in the parallel to the sensor.. the corner objects may not be in focus even though the centre object is in focus.. is this claim true? is it a deal-breaker in actual shooting? or am i just looking at very trivial problems? i actually interested in the tokina 11-16.. but my camera have no motor to test the AF.. otherwise need borrow people's camera to test during COD sad.gif
Like I mentioned above, the best wide angle lens also suffer from slightly soft corners. More obvious if you shoot on a 36MP FX body. Not so obvious on the smaller MP D700/D3/D3s FX sensor and certainly not at all on a crop sensor because only the centre portion of the lens is used.

It is so difficult to get corner performance sharp like the centre. That is why good wide angle lenses cost almost the same as their tele counter part because it's more difficult to make a wide angle than a tele. This is why DX cropped sensors were made initially when digital cameras came out because DX sensors concentrates the centre part of the sensor and disregards the corner areas of the sensors which is most difficult to get correct.

QUOTE(zhinsara @ Jun 6 2012, 11:27 AM)
No filters for the 14-24 kind of kill it for me though. Got some ND and polarizers I occasionally use for landscapes on a Tokina 12-24 . Also, dat front element. But in my case I'm quite happy to sacrifice pure IQ in the form of primes for the speed and versatility of zooms.
There are custom made filters. Just that they cost a BOMB ! rclxub.gif

QUOTE(zhinsara @ Jun 6 2012, 11:27 AM)
You're the first to suggest keeping the wide end on DX actually tongue.gif I never considered that.
The Tokina makes decent pics. If you're taking landscape pics and stopping down the lens, it is cheaper to go the DX route.

If you need a wide angle that is also a f/2.8 for shooting dark night clubbing scenes, the 14-24mm f/2.8 should be the one.

QUOTE(zhinsara @ Jun 6 2012, 11:27 AM)
Heh 1.4 and 1.8 lenses are nice to have, but using my 50/1.8D it's nearly always stopped down to 2.8 or 4 just for the DOF.
LOL, nice to have but most of the time it is not nice to the pocket. sad.gif
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Taken by my friend during the African Sports Carnival at MMU Cyber few weeks back. At this time i was really really tired and annoyed already tongue.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jun 6 2012, 12:41 PM)
I can tell you wide open the Sigma it is not pin sharp. If you want sharp wide open, the Nikon AF-S 14-24mm f/2.8 is the one you should get. Even then, the 14-24mm f/2.8 is sharp in the centre and not sharp in the corners at f/2.8 wide open due to the wide curvature of the glass i.e. like what you mentioned DoF is not the same in the centre and in the corner. What more for a lens that is more than twice cheaper !

Anyway, why do you need a lens sharp wide open? Wide angle lenses for landscapes are usually stopped down to get DoF. By then, any erros due tot he lens curvature is taken care by the DoF from stopping down.

I'll post an example below that I took a while back and without looking at the EXIF, could you tell the difference between the two disregarding the slight WB and FoV difference? Stop down enough and you could not tell a difference at a glance.

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Like I mentioned above, the best wide angle lens also suffer from slightly soft corners. More obvious if you shoot on a 36MP FX body. Not so obvious on the smaller MP D700/D3/D3s FX sensor and certainly not at all on a crop sensor because only the centre portion of the lens is used.

It is so difficult to get corner performance sharp like the centre. That is why good wide angle lenses cost almost the same as their tele counter part because it's more difficult to make a wide angle than a tele. This is why DX cropped sensors were made initially when digital cameras came out because DX sensors concentrates the centre part of the sensor and disregards the corner areas of the sensors which is most difficult to get correct.
There are custom made filters. Just that they cost a BOMB !  rclxub.gif
The Tokina makes decent pics. If you're taking landscape pics and stopping down the lens, it is cheaper to go the DX route.

If you need a wide angle that is also a f/2.8 for shooting dark night clubbing scenes, the 14-24mm f/2.8 should be the one.
LOL, nice to have but most of the time it is not nice to the pocket.  sad.gif
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Thanks for the insight.. cause i never really used an UWA before and most of the things i "know" are from reading and some things, you really need to experience it.. reading is not enuff.. that's why asked your opinions.. i only read that remarks and not sure if that is really a deal breaker in actual usage..
yep~ i tend to stop down unless i require more light or i really needed to get rid of distracting backgrounds, but i guess for UWA, i wun really need to use DOF to get rid of distracting background, cuz it's just difficult to do so i guess.. hahaha.. oraite~ i'll check out the sigma again smile.gif


Added on June 6, 2012, 2:21 pm
QUOTE(ycs @ Jun 6 2012, 11:55 AM)
anyone care to comment on 18-135mm DX lens performance?

thinking to get one
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i did a quick read.. haven't finish reading alot of stuffs, but i noticed that the lens has no VR.. sad.gif for me it's quite a deal breaker.. not sure if you are ok without the VR.. without VR, at 135mm, you need quite high shutter speed to take decent pictures and at f/5.6, i think you might be lacking in light.. not sure if it's really applicable

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jun 6 2012, 12:41 PM)
I can tell you wide open the Sigma it is not pin sharp. If you want sharp wide open, the Nikon AF-S 14-24mm f/2.8 is the one you should get. Even then, the 14-24mm f/2.8 is sharp in the centre and not sharp in the corners at f/2.8 wide open due to the wide curvature of the glass i.e. like what you mentioned DoF is not the same in the centre and in the corner. What more for a lens that is more than twice cheaper !

Anyway, why do you need a lens sharp wide open? Wide angle lenses for landscapes are usually stopped down to get DoF. By then, any erros due tot he lens curvature is taken care by the DoF from stopping down.

I'll post an example below that I took a while back and without looking at the EXIF, could you tell the difference between the two disregarding the slight WB and FoV difference? Stop down enough and you could not tell a difference at a glance.

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


Like I mentioned above, the best wide angle lens also suffer from slightly soft corners. More obvious if you shoot on a 36MP FX body. Not so obvious on the smaller MP D700/D3/D3s FX sensor and certainly not at all on a crop sensor because only the centre portion of the lens is used.

It is so difficult to get corner performance sharp like the centre. That is why good wide angle lenses cost almost the same as their tele counter part because it's more difficult to make a wide angle than a tele. This is why DX cropped sensors were made initially when digital cameras came out because DX sensors concentrates the centre part of the sensor and disregards the corner areas of the sensors which is most difficult to get correct.
There are custom made filters. Just that they cost a BOMB !  rclxub.gif
The Tokina makes decent pics. If you're taking landscape pics and stopping down the lens, it is cheaper to go the DX route.

If you need a wide angle that is also a f/2.8 for shooting dark night clubbing scenes, the 14-24mm f/2.8 should be the one.
LOL, nice to have but most of the time it is not nice to the pocket.  sad.gif
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So, short version : If you need the speed, 14-24. Otherwise, just stick with your DX UWA. That makes it much easier tongue.gif The Cokin/Lee filter kit? Saw shashinki. Eyes popped at price. sweat.gif

So, then can I save money getting a good 28-70 instead of the 24-70? rclxub.gif


QUOTE(tctham @ Jun 6 2012, 02:04 PM)
Thanks for the insight.. cause i never really used an UWA before and most of the things i "know" are from reading and some things, you really need to experience it.. reading is not enuff.. that's why asked your opinions.. i only read that remarks and not sure if that is really a deal breaker in actual usage..
yep~ i tend to stop down unless i require more light or i really needed to get rid of distracting backgrounds, but i guess for UWA, i wun really need to use DOF to get rid of distracting background, cuz it's just difficult to do so i guess.. hahaha.. oraite~ i'll check out the sigma again smile.gif


Added on June 6, 2012, 2:21 pm
i did a quick read.. haven't finish reading alot of stuffs, but i noticed that the lens has no VR.. sad.gif for me it's quite a deal breaker.. not sure if you are ok without the VR.. without VR, at 135mm, you need quite high shutter speed to take decent pictures and at f/5.6, i think you might be lacking in light.. not sure if it's really applicable
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After a while with a UWA (after experimenting kaw kaw) you always will want to go really really close to your subject. If anything Ken Rockwell gets right, it's this.

Also, the 18-135, don't bother. The 18-105 VR is a better lens optically, and you get VR as well.
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Taken by my friend during the African Sports Carnival at MMU Cyber few weeks back. At this time i was really really tired and annoyed already tongue.gif laugh.gif
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wtf african sports carnival?
damn, the plague is spreading faster than we thought.
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wtf african sports carnival?
damn, the plague is spreading  faster than we thought.
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lol yeah. That day you really feels like in africa already laugh.gif
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soon malaysia will start giving PR to the africans...and then see our sports teams all africans...just like SG all mainland china ppl tongue.gif
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soon malaysia will start giving PR to the africans...and then see our sports teams all africans...just like SG all mainland china ppl tongue.gif
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btw Nikon 28mm F1.8G is RM1990 at Creative Photo hmm.gif
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QUOTE(gnome @ Jun 6 2012, 03:59 PM)
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btw Nikon 28mm F1.8G is RM1990 at Creative Photo hmm.gif
Shashinki puts it at RM2,098.00. Nikon's website put it at RSP RM2298.00.

BTW, I also saw the suggested retail pricing for the D3200...

Price: RSP RM3,148.00 Kit - with AF-S 18-105mm; RSP RM2,548.00 Kit - with AF-S 18-55mm; RSP RM2,148.00 Body only.

Looks like it's gonna sell like hot goreng pisang?

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jun 6 2012, 03:12 PM)
wtf african sports carnival?
damn, the plague is spreading  faster than we thought.
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My uni got multicultural night, suppose to have chinese and locals to perform as well, but 99% of the time is all foreigners doh.gif

Dont know what happen to malaysia nowadays
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but pricing almost same as the d5100 wor.. as a matter of fact, the retail price edi higher than the d5100.. what it offers that is better than the d5100 besides the higher mp count ya? this will cause competition between the d5100 and d3200
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Jun 6 2012, 04:00 PM)
Shashinki puts it at RM2,098.00. Nikon's website put it at RSP RM2298.00.

BTW, I also saw the suggested retail pricing for the D3200...

Price: RSP RM3,148.00 Kit - with AF-S 18-105mm; RSP RM2,548.00 Kit - with AF-S 18-55mm; RSP RM2,148.00 Body only.

Looks like it's gonna sell like hot goreng pisang?
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You will still see many shop recommend newbie to buy 550d, 60d and 600d or worst case 1100d, dont know what's the reason

I even got a friend who want to jump ship from d7000 to 600d doh.gif
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Taken by my friend during the African Sports Carnival at MMU Cyber few weeks back. At this time i was really really tired and annoyed already tongue.gif laugh.gif
In that pic, you look more like a tired and annoyed prison guard in Africa ! laugh.gif

QUOTE(tctham @ Jun 6 2012, 02:04 PM)
Thanks for the insight.. cause i never really used an UWA before and most of the things i "know" are from reading and some things, you really need to experience it.. reading is not enuff.. that's why asked your opinions.. i only read that remarks and not sure if that is really a deal breaker in actual usage..
yep~ i tend to stop down unless i require more light or i really needed to get rid of distracting backgrounds, but i guess for UWA, i wun really need to use DOF to get rid of distracting background, cuz it's just difficult to do so i guess.. hahaha.. oraite~ i'll check out the sigma again smile.gif
No worries. Wide angle and still want bokeh? That's where the 24mm f/1.4 and 35mm f/1.4 come in. sweat.gif brows.gif

QUOTE(zhinsara @ Jun 6 2012, 03:01 PM)
So, then can I save money getting a good 28-70 instead of the 24-70?  rclxub.gif
The 28-70mm f/2.8 is a fantastic lens in it's time. Still is. The thing is 28mm vs 24mm is quite a lot of difference.

24mm = 84 degree
28mm = 75.33 degree

The other thing is the 28-70mm f/2.8 being an older lens would be risky getting the AF-S motor rosak. Replacement cost is quite high. In the end, it might be more worth it to get the 24-70mm f/2.8 instead.

QUOTE(zhinsara @ Jun 6 2012, 03:01 PM)
After a while with a UWA (after experimenting kaw kaw) you always will want to go really really close to your subject. If anything Ken Rockwell gets right, it's this.
I think it was Robert Capa who said that if you’re pictures aren’t good enough, you’re not close enough.

QUOTE(Everdying @ Jun 6 2012, 03:26 PM)
soon malaysia will start giving PR to the africans...and then see our sports teams all africans...just like SG all mainland china ppl tongue.gif
Yeah, it will not be long when you see them drive 599 GTOs. blush.gif
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Haha i was annoyed because that day it was really really hot! almost had a heatstroke that day sweat.gif

and gosh students from limkokwing are sooooooo arrogant! shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(gnome @ Jun 6 2012, 04:23 PM)
Haha i was annoyed because that day it was really really hot! almost had a heatstroke that day sweat.gif

and gosh students from limkokwing are sooooooo arrogant! shakehead.gif
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They hire you for taking photos there? If not then dont bother to stress yourself unless you are interested in it

Now i also dont want to shoot at dusty places or raining time, simply not worth the damage if might give me if they dont pay me for it
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QUOTE(amduser @ Jun 6 2012, 04:34 PM)
They hire you for taking photos there? If not then dont bother to stress yourself unless you are interested in it

Now i also dont want to shoot at dusty places or raining time, simply not worth the damage if might give me if they dont pay me for it
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My company is the co-organizer of the event, im working under my company as photographer that day. Eh if not wont be bother to be there, might aswell join my friends at putrajaya take photos of their paintball events tongue.gif

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