Bioware is really creating another ending or saving it for the DLC?

either way, it will be DLC...

I just replayed the ending.
I now have more reason to believe the indoctrination theory is true.

Notice at the description of the three choices you have:
Destroy: The catalyst tells you there will NOT be peace. Definitely.
Control: The catalyst tells you with that the reapers will obey you. I.e: You can bring about peace by controlling the reapers. Furthermore, it hesitated when you asked that question, pausing for a while before answering yes. Now why would it do that? Why would it hesitate? Well, the Reapers are obviously a very proud race. By lying to fulfil their goal of indoctrinating Shepard, that's kinda like a blow to their pride, don'cha think? Furthermore, you even asked whether TIM was right, and it said yes with certainty.
Synthesis: The catalyst avoids your question entirely. It merely tells you the cycle will end. But it doesn't tell you whether there will be peace.

Now for something with apparently no vested interest in the outcomes, it sure looks as if it would like you to choose the control or synthesis option. It's trying to subtly push you to an option more favourable to the Reapers. Then, at the end it tells you you have a difficult decision and that you have to choose, still giving you the option to choose destroy so as to not make the indoctrination so obvious.



This review is also fantastic: http://calitreview.com/24673

This post has been edited by hahli9: Mar 20 2012, 01:52 AM

^this is what i think about the whole theory;

i think the indoctrination route is what Bioware intended to go with in the beginning, but for whatever reason dropped the idea. that's why you still see the clue that points out about the kid since the beginning of the game.

EA probably forced them to cut out that part for DLC or something. I frankly wouldn't be surprised knowing EA.

OR they ran out of time and they're releasing it as free DLC later on. <- Let's hope for this.

This post has been edited by hahli9: Mar 20 2012, 06:36 AM

i don't really agree on changing the ending though, coz the damage is done. there are more harm than good if they do change it.

what Bioware should do now is release an extended/epilogue ending. showing what happen to everyone before & after the ending n how the galactic society moves on.

they should also try to enforce the ending (creator will always rebelled thing) with better explanation.

The indoctrination theory is an extension. The theory counts on the fact that the whole sequence of the ending after Harbinger's laser is in Shepard's head. That's why if you have a high enough EMS and choose the destroy option Shepard wakes up on London. Assuming this theory is actually BioWare's plan, the game would most likely continue from there.

If thats true, those who played single player wont be able to continue their game as their shepard died with low EMS. There is no way to get more than 4000 EMS with MP. Still have to play the crap MP at the end.

Seriously, Bioware, why shove a useless MP in a good single player game?

I personally enjoy the MP. And while I agree it sucks that you have to play the MP to get 4000EMS, you could just use a save file editor to increase your EMS if you absolutely don't want to play it.

I got 3.9k without multiplayer. At the end I decided to play MP to raise it above 5k after reading some endings guides.

I didnt like it at all, as it is very boring and at the same time, felt that it is shoved at your face to get good ending.

I pretty much gave up on the game after finishing it once, mainly due to the forced MP and inconclusive ending.

I chose the destroy option. Reapers gone. Shepard gone. Normandy crashes on unknown island. The END. Uninstall.

For me, it is as simple as that. I did what I was supposed to do and moved on. I thoroughly enjoyed the game. Still worth my money since I enjoyed 95% of it, last 5% is full of turd but that was the same with The Witcher 2 which also had a very lousy ending.

This post has been edited by Enclave Recruit: Mar 20 2012, 12:11 PM

The Witcher 2 is getting a free DLC to extend the last chapter no?

with so many ppl b****ing about the ending...

i think it would be an epic troll by Bioware if they say...

yeap... this is Mass Effect 3 part 1.... part 2 due for release next year....

if Harry Porter can do it, why not ME?

I think that's the proper attitude to take in regards to the ending of the game.

I can understand why people might not be happy with the ending(s) but finding comfort in tin foil hat fan fiction is a worst case example of fans with entitlement issues.

But since everyone seems to want to create a theory to justify their time spent on ME1-3, I'm getting in on the fun as well. Here are my choice theories:

1. Much like the end of Star Trek 2, Liara did a vulcan/asari mind meld on you just before the final battle, which gives bioware the opportunity for a DLC entitled "The search for Shepard". Much hilarity ensues.

2. In the synthesis ending, Shepard gets turned into a zombie and the next DLC involves the adventures of Zombie Shepard and his battle against Plants. You also get to make difficult moral decisions which involve deciding which of your love interests to turn and the classic question of "brains or brraaaains?"

3. in line with Occam's razor, which posits that the simplest explanation is usually the right one, bioware just majorly underestimated the effect of their lazyman endings on their fans.

Can't believe no one has linked this article http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2012/03/19...ffect-3s-ending which more or less echoes what i wrote earlier

This post has been edited by Kidicarus: Mar 20 2012, 02:25 PM

aiyo...if follow occam's razor, simplest way is actually end ME at the begining, ME1, no need do two more games..

Its free so I don't mind I can forgive CD Projekt for farking up the ending.

However, EA will charge you for a DLC I will give them the bird for that haha

This post has been edited by Enclave Recruit: Mar 20 2012, 07:10 PM

You may label it however you want but, in my opinion, the indoctrination theory makes a lot of sense.

If it were to be true, mass effect would be one of the greatest trilogies of all time. A true masterpiece and a piece of literary brilliance in game form.
Right now, it commits literary suicide right at the end and it simply ends in disappointment and not the bittersweet satisfaction you get at the end of a brilliant book or movie. Sometimes, you just don't want films or books to end, but then they have to and you're content with that because the ending was satisfactory, or maybe even fantastic. But this... This is not satisfactory in any sense of the word.

I am not finding comfort in tin foil hat fan fiction and I do not believe I am entitled to that ending.
I simply want to believe that ending is true because it is bloody brilliant.

Frankly, in my opinion, the only ones with entitlement issues are those who want all the DLC for free. Just because they have the game does not make them entitled to the DLC. The stark hypocrisy is very appalling. You may argue that it is unethical or that maybe it is just not right, but well that is the exact feelings of those who drew through logical process that the indoctrination of Shepard might be, in fact, true and given the ample amount reasoning and proof behind it, I have no reason to believe it is false.

Like someone once said, "Why not believe in something until proven otherwise, rather than disbelieving it until proven true?"

Cheers.

So you much rather EA sold you an unfinished game and then hold you hostage for DLCs for ending? Get your real ending here for $20!

Please, this is more than Bioware and EA here. This is about not letting them set a precedent for doing this kind of shit in the first place. This isn't even optional DLC anymore. This is part of the core game.

Indoctrination theory sounds all good and true, but there are evidence that Bioware cut that ending out because of time issues. The evidence you do see are remnants of that.

There is already a precedent for this kind of shit. Its standard practice for game industry right now.

It first started of as a lame horse armor pack haha, then it evolved into cutting up part of the storyline and repackaging it as a DLC *cough* Deus Ex Human Revolution THE MISSING LINK *cough*. Oh the irony! Now it has degenerated into cutting up the ending of a game and then selling it as a DLC.

Perfect marketing strategy. Most gamers are sheeps who will buy anything that reputable devs throw at them.

This post has been edited by Enclave Recruit: Mar 20 2012, 07:35 PM