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 Mass Effect 3 Spoiler Edition, Discuss about storyline here.

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TSEdison83
post Mar 9 2012, 11:44 AM, updated 14y ago

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WTH la, i keep bump into spoiler in the main thread, some ppl just dont know how to use spoiler
So this thread is dedicated for those want to discuss about storyline

WARNING: For those haven't play this game, please avoid this thread, its full of spoilers.

ANyway, main thread here http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1674541
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post Mar 9 2012, 12:50 PM

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First post. rclxms.gif

Anyone liked the endings?

My thoughts on the endings.

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It was the ending the series deserved, but IMO, the endings just failed to cater for everyone. Some people would love a dark ending, some a fairy tale ending, while some others, everything in between. Different gamers have different motivations and expectations when playing this game, and the end result implied that all our choices, all our hardwork never really mattered. Bioware never gave us the power to decide how it all should go down. Instead of giving us many roads going in different directions, Bioware only gave us a road with many lanes, all going in one direction.


Now for some explanation to the ending.

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Reapers exist to reap advanced civilizations every 50000 years for one singular purpose. Reapers wipe out advanced civilizations to prevent organics from reaching tech singularity, creating synthetics which will in turn, wipe out organics.

Wait, what? You heard that right.

In a nutshell, synthetics wipe out organics to prevent organics from creating synthetics which will wipe out organics.

rclxub.gif Confused? You should be.

The only difference. Reapers seek to eradicate and harvest, in doing so, they preserve a civilization in reaper form. They only eradicate advanced civilizations, leaving the lesser civilizations intact. Whereas, synthetics, once reaching tech singularity, will eventually surpass their creators and supercede them, wiping them out completely. And they will continue to expand, eventually wiping out everything completely.

Hence, the reapers created the cycle. The citadel and mass relays were all created by the reapers, in order to funnel civilization after civilization into a singular path, predictable and can be easily countered by the reapers.

In the ending, no matter which path you take, the mass relays will be destroyed, indicating an uncertain yet promising future, a future where the reapers do not have a hidden hand in it.


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post Mar 9 2012, 01:18 PM

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is there anyway to prevent Tali from jumping? i had to resort for the geths because they are more powerful
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post Mar 9 2012, 02:17 PM

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QUOTE(Boomeraangkid @ Mar 9 2012, 01:18 PM)
is there anyway to prevent Tali from jumping? i had to resort for the geths because they are more powerful
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If you choose the geth, Tali will kill herself no matter what you do.

IMO, don't choose the geth if you're gonna destroy the reapers in the end. It's counter-productive. smile.gif
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post Mar 9 2012, 02:23 PM

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The rage about the endings is quite informative.

Is it too hard to ask for a Dragon Age: Origins style ending?
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post Mar 9 2012, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 9 2012, 02:23 PM)
The rage about the endings is quite informative.

Is it too hard to ask for a Dragon Age: Origins style ending?
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Bioware got lazy after Dragon Age 2, sadly. sad.gif Let's hope they don't destroy Baldur's Gate 3 or Jade Empire 2.

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Catalyst: You have choice, more than you deserve.
Shepard: Okay, three choices right? What happens if I choose this?
Catalyst: All relays will be destroyed. And you will die.
Shepard: What about this one?
Catalyst: You die.
Shepard: And this one?
Catalyst: You die.
Shepard: I don't have a choice, do I?
Catalyst: Nope.


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post Mar 9 2012, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 9 2012, 02:45 PM)
Bioware got lazy after Dragon Age 2, sadly.  sad.gif  Let's hope they don't destroy Baldur's Gate 3 or Jade Empire 2.
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You forgot

Grandpa tell us the story again
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post Mar 9 2012, 03:40 PM

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Who cried when Mordin died? I know I did blush.gif


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post Mar 9 2012, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 9 2012, 03:45 PM)
Bioware got lazy after Dragon Age 2, sadly.  sad.gif  Let's hope they don't destroy Baldur's Gate 3 or Jade Empire 2.
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You can survive the Destroy ending if your War Efforts exceed 4000 (if you saved Anderson in the end) or 5000 (regardless of whether or not you save Anderson)

Other than that, no.

You die.
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post Mar 9 2012, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(radkliler @ Mar 9 2012, 03:50 PM)
You can survive the Destroy ending if your War Efforts exceed 4000 (if you saved Anderson in the end) or 5000 (regardless of whether or not you save Anderson)

Other than that, no.

You die.
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I'm halfway through the story, and I already have 4000+ EMS and 80% galactic readiness. flex.gif
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post Mar 9 2012, 04:52 PM

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ME3 was pretty dissapointing..
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post Mar 9 2012, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 9 2012, 02:45 PM)
Bioware got lazy after Dragon Age 2, sadly.  sad.gif  Let's hope they don't destroy Baldur's Gate 3 or Jade Empire 2.
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To be honest, I'd been compelled to get the game had the ending was anything but this, even if I had to install Origins and what-not. Hell, I wouldn't have minded Shepard dying. (I sacrificed my mage in DA:O to kill the Darkspawn dragon. It was worth every emotional rollercoaster along the way.)

But this ending...

I feel cheated of my hundreds of hours in ME1 and ME2.

Needless to say, I'll just get this once it is GOTY to see how's the ride to the end is like (this one I heard people unanimously praise) and try to ignore the last five minutes of Bioware saying **** you to the fans of the setting.
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post Mar 9 2012, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 9 2012, 05:03 PM)
To be honest, I'd been compelled to get the game had the ending was anything but this, even if I had to install Origins and what-not. Hell, I wouldn't have minded Shepard dying. (I sacrificed my mage in DA:O to kill the Darkspawn dragon. It was worth every emotional rollercoaster along the way.)

But this ending...

I feel cheated of my hundreds of hours in ME1 and ME2.

Needless to say, I'll just get this once it is GOTY to see how's the ride to the end is like (this one I heard people unanimously praise) and try to ignore the last five minutes of Bioware saying **** you to the fans of the setting.
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The story progression is rather good, there are a few moments in the game which can take your breath away, or make your jaw drop, or make you cry your heart out, however you'll be appalled with the story linearity and lack of choices in the game. Basically, the game can only be played in one way, and that's it.

As I like to say, it's Modern Warfare 3 in space. The game will just hold your hand throughout the entire story. whistling.gif

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post Mar 9 2012, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(gaeria84 @ Mar 9 2012, 05:08 PM)
The story progression is rather good, there are a few moments in the game which can take your breath away, or make your jaw drop, or make you cry your heart out, however you'll be appalled with the story linearity and lack of choices in the game. Basically, the game can only be played in one way, and that's it.

As I like to say, it's Modern Warfare 3 in space. The game will just hold your hand throughout the entire story.  whistling.gif
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Heh. That doesn't sound good for a game that sells itself on "CHOICES MATTER, THE GALAXY LIVES OR DIE BASED ON IT". The galaxy dies anyway, no matter what you do.

Inb4BrokenSteelDLCforME3togettherealending. tongue.gif
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post Mar 9 2012, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 9 2012, 02:23 PM)
The rage about the endings is quite informative.

Is it too hard to ask for a Dragon Age: Origins style ending?
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I thought that ending was just as bad. Unleash the soul of the Old God or die. Nice right?

I don't get the rage around the endings. Anyhow I was prepared for lots of people to die including Shepard back in 2007.

People dying and tragedy seem to make a story better for me, versus overly happy scenes. If I wanted happy I could go play Sims or something.


Added on March 9, 2012, 5:29 pm
QUOTE(Grif @ Mar 9 2012, 05:15 PM)
Heh. That doesn't sound good for a game that sells itself on "CHOICES MATTER, THE GALAXY LIVES OR DIE BASED ON IT". The galaxy dies anyway, no matter what you do.

Inb4BrokenSteelDLCforME3togettherealending.  tongue.gif
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Now Fallout 3's ending... sucked hard.

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post Mar 9 2012, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(secondrate @ Mar 9 2012, 05:27 PM)
I thought that ending was just as bad. Unleash the soul of the Old God or die. Nice right?

I don't get the rage around the endings. Anyhow I was prepared for lots of people to die including Shepard back in 2007.

People dying and tragedy seem to make a story better for me, versus overly happy scenes. If I wanted happy I could go play Sims or something.
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Hey, at least it provided closure, something which Mass Effect 3 failed to do.

The problem wasn't that it was full of tragedy or anything. Give how big a threat the reapers are, it would make sense that the galaxy would be embroiled in a bloody war.

But you know what ME3 did? They invalidated all your efforts, used a magical space MacGuffin to resolve the plot and left the fate of everyone else unanswered. You united the galaxy against the Reapers. lolgoodjobbrah, now magical space macguffin shall destroy all reapers and strand everyone in Sol. Also, you just sent the galaxy into a new dark age. Congrats bro, you're a winner.

Even my initial predictions that the Reapers would roll over everyone anyway and start the cycle anew seems like a better ending. At least you knew you tried your best, and your best just wasn't enough. That would be both a tragic ending, and one that actually made sense.

Don't get me wrong, I think the game is awesome, and reviews do agree with me. But the ending is just lazy, and could have been handled so much better. Why am I posting here when I don't even have the game? Because I like the setting and this kind of shoddy end just smacks me in the face.
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post Mar 9 2012, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(secondrate @ Mar 9 2012, 05:27 PM)
I thought that ending was just as bad. Unleash the soul of the Old God or die. Nice right?

I don't get the rage around the endings. Anyhow I was prepared for lots of people to die including Shepard back in 2007.

People dying and tragedy seem to make a story better for me, versus overly happy scenes. If I wanted happy I could go play Sims or something.
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DA:O is leagues ahead of ME3 in terms of storytelling. DA:O has countless story arcs and multiple choices which can radically change the story.

Nothing wrong with the endings. Problem has always been the lack of choices.
Bioware could've written both happy and sad endings into the game, and let players choose which ending they like but they were apparently too lazy to do that. laugh.gif

So lazy, in fact, they had to plagiarize Tali's face, and several other stuff in the game. sweat.gif

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EA: So, will the game be ready by March 6?
Bioware: No, not yet. Just finished writing the bad ending. Still working on the good ending.
EA: Okay, what is the bad ending going to be like?
Bioware: Oh, you know... mass relays gets destroyed, shepard dies, you know the usual stuff. In fact, to make the ending more sinister, we intend to maroon all of Shepard's crew on an unknown planet and then fade to black to add more insult to injury.
EA: What will the good ending be like?
Bioware: We intend to write closing scripts for everything and everyone the player has come across in the game. It will please our fans immensely.
EA: f*** that. That will delay the game even further. Just put that bad ending in the game and change it around a bit. They won't notice a thing.
Bioware: But every game should have a happy ending...
EA: Whatever. Just put a post credits scene, saying it was just a story. We'll get Buzz Aldrin to VA for that scene. And if that wasn't enough, tell your fans to buy our DLCs.


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i know i shouldnt read this but what happen to cerberus? the hollow man? forget the name already but hes miranda leader
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sadz. i thought i can live happily ever after with liara together with my blue childrens. disappointed with the ending really.

they dont even show tali's face.
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i think the best part when the story about quarian and krogan, but the finale...upset me the most,some old gazer told his grandson a story? wtf is that

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