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 AS1M/ASM/ASW2020/ASN/ASB and other PNB funds V3, lending your money to the government

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post Jan 29 2013, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(Petre @ Jan 29 2013, 02:28 PM)
no i dont biggrin.gif
yup, agree with what you said bro, people can q days if they are presented with a hope that they can get units. have seen this and know of people who want PNB funds so bad they are wiling to put 100-200k in FD waiting for ASM biggrin.gif

so i cant and didnt try to suggest that people dont have confidence in PNB, because this is fact that there are many who have 110% confidence in PNB although when asked what is the basis of their confidence, they can only say: its government. yet they vote for the opposition  rolleyes.gif

of course, its misconception or miseducation, its a long and rather sensitive topic to some. those who know of similar funds will avoid PNB funds, but the general public will buy PNB units simply because they trust the government. the market is full of similar funds that can provide equal if not better returns compared to PNB funds, althoug i must say ASB and ASN are quite competitive. but we all know its exclusive
yes you are right. this is my own opinion and i urge anyone who are interested in my statements to make their own research smile.gif
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Looking at the queues for PNB funds, can i conclude many people do not know of other similar funds that you mentioned, equal if not better than those ASW2020 and ASm which gave 6+% pa return.

Maybe you can list down some of the funds you mentioned above.
Do you mean Unit trust? Are they really comparable to the fixed price Asw2020 etc?
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post Jan 30 2013, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(guy3288 @ Jan 29 2013, 10:22 PM)
Looking at the queues for PNB funds,  can i conclude many people do not know of other similar funds that you mentioned, equal if not better than those ASW2020 and ASm which gave 6+% pa return.

Maybe you can list down some of the funds you mentioned above.
Do you mean Unit trust? Are they really comparable to the fixed price Asw2020 etc?
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Guy3288,

if you're comparing fixed unit funds with variable units, you cannot compare them as they provide more safety return that more acceptable to the public. however, if you want better return, variable funds will be your choices.
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post Jan 30 2013, 06:29 PM

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It is a public holiday in the Federal Territories this Friday. But would it still be possible to carry out ASNB transactions at any of the agent banks that open even on a public holiday such as Maybank KLCC ?
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post Jan 30 2013, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Jan 30 2013, 06:29 PM)
It is a public holiday in the Federal Territories this Friday. But would it still be possible to carry out ASNB transactions at any of the agent banks that open even on a public holiday such as Maybank KLCC ?
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Question now is it will link to PNB right? Since PNB is in KL, it's close (Public Holiday) Logically speaking. I might be wrong smile.gif
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QUOTE(doremon @ Jan 30 2013, 11:30 PM)
Question now is it will link to PNB right? Since PNB is in KL, it's close (Public Holiday) Logically speaking. I might be wrong  smile.gif
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I don't think so. Because ASNB transactions can still be carried out at all other states as 1st February is a working day, assuming it doesn't fall on a weekend. So it is still business as usual outside of the Federal Territories and this is definitely not a problem smile.gif

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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Jan 31 2013, 12:03 AM)
I don't think so. Because ASNB transactions can still be carried out at all other states as 1st February is a working day, assuming it doesn't fall on a weekend. So it is still business as usual outside of the Federal Territories and this is definitely not a problem  smile.gif
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Good to know. See how it goes tomorrow.
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post Jan 31 2013, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(Zen-X @ Jan 27 2013, 12:15 PM)
as the bolded part, is it true that ASB does not conform to Shariah policy?
Been wondering for quite some times about that..

Hope to get clarification here  smile.gif
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curious also.. rclxms.gif

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post Jan 31 2013, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(Zen-X @ Jan 27 2013, 12:15 PM)
as the bolded part, is it true that ASB does not conform to Shariah policy?
Been wondering for quite some times about that..

Hope to get clarification here  smile.gif
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QUOTE(nurazwanzainor @ Jan 31 2013, 11:46 AM)
curious also.. rclxms.gif
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google it and can find easily smile.gif
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QUOTE(Zen-X @ Jan 27 2013, 12:15 PM)
as the bolded part, is it true that ASB does not conform to Shariah policy?
Been wondering for quite some times about that..

Hope to get clarification here  smile.gif
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Zen-X,

Just download the prospectus for ASB from their website, and you will find these fund invest by not following syariah policy. That's why some of them just invest in tabung haji funds.
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post Jan 31 2013, 02:19 PM

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Anyone investing in variable fund such as Amanah Saham Gemilang and Amanah Saham Nasional 3. The dividend per year at least 5.5% per units/sen, recent year is 7.00% per units/sen, net asset value fluctuate still around $1.10 per units since 5 year ago except year 2009 which NAV lowest is 0.7552 to 0.9825 per price unit.

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I think i put 40k in asg, divided to kesihatan and pendidikan. Dont know why the bear such weird names lol.. Assuming return is 6.5% constant per year, i calculated in my spredsheet i will breakeven in ~2 years time..

Also I am wondering is there any fraud cases involved in PNB funds before? Sometimes its too good to be true extra 3% compared to fd without risks
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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Feb 3 2013, 05:09 PM)
I think i put 40k in asg, divided to kesihatan and pendidikan. Dont know why the bear such weird names lol.. Assuming return is 6.5% constant per year, i calculated in my spredsheet i will breakeven in ~2 years time..

Also I am wondering is there any fraud cases involved in PNB funds before? Sometimes its too good to be true extra 3% compared to fd without risks
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Zephyrus9999,

Fixed deposit is principle guaranteed by Bank Negara, but Amanah Saham Nasional Berhad (ASNB) is not guaranteed by Bank Negara, because it an investment companies. These companies only guaranteed they will return a same face value if you purchase fixed fund units. For Amanah Saham Gemilang, it variable and almost same with ordinary mutual fund companies. The return are not constant, the minimum return since inception of this fund at 5.5% per units yearly, the reason for last year return slightly higher due to the 1% management fees, the correct should be 1.5% management fees, but they're charging lesser for last year when dividend declared.

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post Feb 4 2013, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(zephyrus9999 @ Feb 3 2013, 05:09 PM)
I think i put 40k in asg, divided to kesihatan and pendidikan. Dont know why the bear such weird names lol.. Assuming return is 6.5% constant per year, i calculated in my spredsheet i will breakeven in ~2 years time..

Also I am wondering is there any fraud cases involved in PNB funds before? Sometimes its too good to be true extra 3% compared to fd without risks
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the bold part, should be careful smile.gif

i'm not writing another post to slate PNB funds, but just sharing my opinion

common perception of risk is to lose money after a period of investment

but many dont realize you can lose money the moment you decide on investing

FD is the best example...

when you put money in FD, you get the comfort of getting 3% return after a period of time. most people are comfortable with that. simply put, to them, they earn 3%. simple

one can look at it from another angle - you dont make 3%, you actually straight away lose 8%, 10% or 20% - depend on which investment vehicle you compare it to. i personally would modestly look at it as a straight away lost of 7% because i compare it with a moderate risk dividend paying fund

to me FD is the worst kind of INVESTMENT

as for PNB funds, some like it, some dont.
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QUOTE(doneright @ Feb 4 2013, 10:02 AM)
the bold part, should be careful smile.gif

i'm not writing another post to slate PNB funds, but just sharing my opinion

common perception of risk is to lose money after a period of investment

but many dont realize you can lose money the moment you decide on investing

FD is the best example...

when you put money in FD, you get the comfort of getting 3% return after a period of time. most people are comfortable with that. simply put, to them, they earn 3%. simple

one can look at it from another angle - you dont make 3%, you actually straight away lose 8%, 10% or 20% - depend on which investment vehicle you compare it to. i personally would modestly look at it as a straight away lost of 7% because i compare it with a moderate risk dividend paying fund

to me FD is the worst kind of INVESTMENT

as for PNB funds, some like it, some dont.
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Doneright,

that's correct, that haven't calculate the fixed deposit itself which a small number percentage, Malaysia inflation rate of an average 3%, which lower 2% below at the end of 2012. the interest itself can't even beat inflation rate. In the long term, the true face value of the money is a depreciation assets, by having a lot of money but no value which backed by pillars and losing the true status of printed money.

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good investment guide for people. thanks for the info. there are very useful. ^^
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Guys, I've just registered my ASB account to Maybank2U and it shows pending. How long will it be processed?

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QUOTE(solsekuin44 @ Feb 10 2013, 02:28 PM)
Guys, I've just registered my ASB account to Maybank2U and it shows pending. How long will it be processed?
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Normally less than 24 hours, but since its public holidays, I guess it will take much longer.
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QUOTE(vergas @ Feb 10 2013, 10:52 PM)
Normally less than 24 hours, but since its public holidays, I guess it will take much longer.
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Thank you..
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Hey guys, quick question..
I'm a eurasian, can i apply for ASB?
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post Feb 13 2013, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(Davez89 @ Feb 12 2013, 05:36 PM)
Hey guys, quick question..
I'm a eurasian, can i apply for ASB?
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Davez89,

It a simple question, Eurasian is considered a minority group and allowed by our prime minister to invest in all ASNB fund units including ASB fund, as long you possess an identity card. However, these eurasian are minority groups and not considered as bumiputera. Hence, classified as non-bumiputera quota and such eligibility will be opened.


Info,
http://www.asnb.com.my/english/eligibility.htm

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