AS1M/ASM/ASW2020/ASN/ASB and other PNB funds V3, lending your money to the government
AS1M/ASM/ASW2020/ASN/ASB and other PNB funds V3, lending your money to the government
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Sep 6 2012, 02:56 PM
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anyone got any chance topping up?
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Sep 11 2012, 11:35 AM
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for those who wanted to top up but cant because the quota already finished, can always consider third party (non gov) funds. there are a lot out there which can give better return minus the risks
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Sep 11 2012, 11:48 AM
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Sep 11 2012, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Sep 11 2012, 01:18 PM) Silver and gold would only be moderately better in the long run as compared to funds like ASB. Take for instance gold. If someone had invested in 2010 in Maybank, he would have paid about RM 131/g. The buying price now is RM 168. That's only a profit of 28% in 2 years. ASB gives out about 17% in 2 years. Silver would not fare as well as gold for sure. i would definitely think that a bumi should always try to invest in ASB (or such) first as the returns are quite good. unfortunately, the non-bumis dont have the priviledge to buy. but, there are still many funds out there that they can buy, that can give similar if not better returns.i am just speaking from my own experience of course one have to be careful with gold, silver i dont have comment. while we dont even need to go into stocks. this is why gov schemes is there. some people buy because they believe the risk is acceptable to them. of course the misconception is that gov funds dont have any risks, which, may be true. but with similar risks, one may be able to get better returns elsewhere This post has been edited by doneright: Sep 11 2012, 03:01 PM |
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Sep 11 2012, 05:06 PM
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Oct 3 2012, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Oct 1 2012, 10:38 PM) Don't waste your precious time on "hunting" the AS1M or any other sold-out ASxx i fully second this. There's better options in the market than giving money to Govt's biggest ponzi scheme. time flies without you realizing it. time wasted is equal to money lost in terms on investment, and more so in these compounded interest type of investment |
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Oct 12 2012, 10:48 AM
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Oct 12 2012, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE(adolph @ Oct 12 2012, 11:10 AM) If government open for Chinese, it should be sold 10 billion units not more than 2 week at least. Since in the past, other Amanah Saham which offer 0 % sales charge and fix fund units can sold out almost 500 million units in less than 24 hours after announced for Chinese quota. I will buy 20,000 units directly if it happens! QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 12 2012, 11:20 AM) native rights aside... i cant figure why they dont sell to the chinese. i'm pretty sure we will sapu it in no time. my take is that, the chinese are smart and dont mind to withdraw anytime in big sums. and because the gov have the habit to make our money seem like disappear somewhere questionable, this will pose problems a problem for them. its not unknown that gov funds for example epf have questionable accounts. so investors who obediently park their money long term works best for them. worse that happens is all those money only remain as numbers in their deposit booklets. hard to see that day come as it will throw the country into riots, it is still something to ponder This post has been edited by doneright: Oct 12 2012, 12:16 PM |
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Oct 12 2012, 02:36 PM
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QUOTE(frontierzone @ Oct 12 2012, 02:13 PM) Found out that ctually any places can get u the units amount you want, it all depends on the willingness of the teller and the time (many ppl at bank queue or not). And it is not easy to get units by 1 try or even 10 tries, u need to find someone who willing to spend the time n energy for u, tht they r not busy (too many people), and their heart is willing to help. If not, it's doomed. Of course, if they click once, 90% won't return any success. It is very repetitive, keep on tapping and tapping to refresh, but if u found a willing teller, they can get you the units u want, within maybe 15-20 minutes, not in 1 transaction, but multiple transactions if your amount is large. Most of the time, the unwilling tellers will (in order of 'un-helpfulness'): speaks volumes about the difficulty to top upa) Try once and give u the easy answer "No Units". May even mock you for telling them to try amounts like 2k or 3k, bash you with liners like "You'd be lucky to get even 50 units!" b) Try a couple of times, stops and then tell u no units. c) Try harder than (b) until at least 1 transaction is successful, even if not up to the amt u want, just finish the transaction and ask u to fill up form. d) Willing to try incrementally (multiple transactions) until it gets to the amount you want. Then only call you up to fill forms etc. (This is the really rare gems to seek for). Of course, if you have connections, family/relatives working as tellers, it'd be so much easier, I saw stacks of ASW/ASM passbooks at one teller and I asked them, they said, it is for their staff only (probably family and relatives as well), they told me they don't provide outsiders the service to put your books thr and they try to search units for you. glad i'm not one of them. |
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Oct 12 2012, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Oct 12 2012, 12:53 PM) Yes thats true. But i think the main reason is because of the high returns of ASB, the Gov wants to be seen as giving more 'exclusive' rights to a selected race. If it were open to all, then the effect of exclusivity is lost. But in reality, its mainly the higher income groups and some of the middle income ppl who are clearly benefiting from ASB. Hence, the rich get richer while the poor remain poor. i thought anyone (eligible) can buy any time?with a promise of such high returns, its easy to get people deposit large amounts of money. plus, they give loans to those who want to max out their ASB. while the math seems right, the fundementals does not. it can only sustain itself until that far. |
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Oct 16 2012, 10:35 AM
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QUOTE(adolph @ Oct 15 2012, 11:16 PM) Exactly, fixed price unit price doesnt make sense. if unit price doesnt change, then it means NAV does not change if there is no additional units. then how sudddenly can fund can announce dividend? its like money suddenly fall from the sky. its just too shadowy, to me at least Assuming, Last year ASG 6.8% dividend payout. $1 / 1 Unit, if you buy $1,200 = 1,200 units 1200 * 5% = 60, So in the end you received $1,140 principle. 1,140 + 6.8% =1,217.52. On the 1st year once dividend declared, you have $1217.52. And other charge, The direct charges incurred by you when buying units are the initial service charge or sales charge. Yes. but that not the only part, the fund units, Net Asset Value (NAV) is fluctuated and will be varied each days. |
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Oct 16 2012, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE(adolph @ Oct 16 2012, 11:43 AM) I didn't say ASG is a fixed price unit funds. sensitive issue, especially when you try to change people's mindset It just assuming, the ASG NAV today is RM1 per 1 units. Other related question, you can ask Tan Sri Dato' Sri Hamad Kama Piah Bin Che Othman or direct to their ASNB HQ. Some like it, some dislike it. usual |
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Oct 16 2012, 12:14 PM
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Oct 26 2012, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE(adolph @ Oct 23 2012, 05:56 PM) Like that de lo.. hmm... in fact, MAAKL Mutual introduced a new fund this month. it is called MAAKL-HW Shariah Flexi Fund...Bank always charge this and that. Nowadays, even ATM machine has it own limitation for withdrawal per months to some bank. It almost several years, ASNB never announced a new fund to the public, except Sara 1Malaysia, which is for household only. But still, the fund is invested into AS 1Malaysia. Hopefully they will launch a new fund it is the latest member to our succesful Flexi series. basically its managed by the same people behind the succesful MAAKL-HW Flexi Fund whoever is worried or lazy about when to allocate your asset in equity, bond or money market can try this fund. the fund manager will do all the assest allocation for investors. info the new MAAKL-HW Shariah Flexi Fund is managed by Hwang Investment, who helped to make 104% in 3 years for MAAKL-HW Flexi investors bsed on track record, one can invest with confidence |
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Oct 27 2012, 02:54 PM
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Oct 29 2012, 04:50 PM
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QUOTE(adolph @ Oct 29 2012, 10:54 AM) I'm not really sure about that, I can't enjoy ASB because I'm non-bumi and not wish to give an opinion that I don't have knowledge on it. The early you invest, the early you will enjoy compounding return. seems straightforward... if nothing hidden then its no brainer. but have to make sure can pay the loan consistently. read that somewhere bankruptcy among malay teens are quite high, dont know if this is one of the factors contributing to it...I guess you know the meaning of compounding, right. Take advantage of the ASB loan available, to achieve compounding return. One thing is sure, ASB loan only can fully withdraw after 25 year to get the principle amount, let say you took ASB loan for 25 year or through personal loan, which can withdraw at anytime but the return from ASB must be 7% - 8% average to enjoy the interest. No worry, ASB always give persistent return on the past, but no guarantee in the future. Example of past ASB dividend return, http://1-million-dollar-blog.com/dividends...ham-bumiputera/ However, this question has similar thread, please refer more. http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/667676/all http://abcmoneywise.blogspot.com/2010/03/a...t-worth-it.html It should be goes, ASB dividend return should be higher than loan repayment interest, then you will earn. if in the unnecessarily moment, don't withdraw the interest you earned so that it will be re-invest and accumulate. Correct me If i'm wrong. in short, make sure you are able to service the loan |
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Oct 29 2012, 05:38 PM
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QUOTE(adolph @ Oct 29 2012, 05:08 PM) Did i say no hidden? or you add it yourself? sorry i didnt suggest no hidden fee. the fact is i dont know much about this whole thing of using loan to invest in asb. i merely said if there are no fishy T&C and that it really is as straightforward then by all means, one should go for it...For ASB loan financing, you don't have to paid all the year for loan repayment. but still better than investing my money into excessive sales charge fund, that's not my cup of tea. I'm pretty sure not all of them are stupid, to get loan that unable to paid later. Just forgot there is a small charge impose not more than 1% of management fee and trustee fees. Info, http://www.asnb.com.my/english/ASB%20n%20ASN.pdf i googled it just now and the general idea is that its worth considering, but one have to make sure the loan side is tackled accordingly. apparently there is another way which is to repay the bank loan using interest from ASB itself, i'll leave that to some other sifu who can better elaborate sorry if i misled anyone. the topic of investing cannot play play one |
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Nov 2 2012, 09:12 AM
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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 1 2012, 08:42 PM) Firstly , you need to say your races, because this company limit quota of percentage to certain races. long queue in the waiting. in the meantime, while waiting for opening in these scheme, one can and should look around for private investment companies. some people waited years for a few units, which is not worth it. its easy to forget that time wasted, and the potential growth of your money wasted.If you're Bumi, likelihood of top up will be successful. At the moment, ASM (for all Malaysian), ASW 2020 (Bumi and Non Bumi) and AS 1Malaysia (for Chinese, Indian and Others) unit allocations have been fully subscribed. Add unit is depend on on any existing unit holders withdrawal. any existing withdrawal always fully subscribed in just a moment. This post has been edited by doneright: Nov 2 2012, 09:13 AM |
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Nov 2 2012, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 2 2012, 09:19 AM) Nobody force you to join this scheme, if you don't like it, go ahead. go invest in your mutual fund company. and you could stop promoting your mutual fund. Your smell is so obvious, this topic only for PNB fund. This is not your first time keep telling people in this thread about PNB return smell curious, unable to paid the loan, and etc that not about this thread. hello adolphPlease read the topic of this forum before starts your words, if you telling this in the fixed deposit thread, you posted something familiar to this, I'm sure people will against you. If you want to start your private companies investment, go make a new topic or fund investment corner. This topic only for PNB fund exclusively. i am aware this is a topic exclusively for PNB funds. but this is NOT a topic to PROMOTE PNB fund, am i correct? can you point out whether there is any point in my post that is invalid or misleading? as far as i know, i choose my words carefully and i speak the truth. may you kindly point out my faults? i would be happy to correct them and learn like every one else. why cant i also contribute and learn like everyone else? is my profession a sin or prohibit me from voicing my own views and questions? is this a thread exclusive to praise PNB? if there are anything fishy about the 'company', should anyone point it out or keep it to themselves? i observe the thread and i see genuine people with honest intention to invest and protect their money. this is what matters to everyone. am i wrong to say that, rather than to wait for an opening, which you and me dont know when, a person can and should consider other means of investment, a wrong and misleading suggestion? i am aware and salute you for your contribution towards investment in general. i know you have been contributing a lot. and the way you said it is as if mutual funds are evil and bad. i am indeed confused by your view because you do seem mature and knowledgeable enough to know and tell otherwise |
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Nov 2 2012, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE(adolph @ Nov 2 2012, 09:19 AM) Nobody force you to join this scheme, if you don't like it, go ahead. go invest in your mutual fund company. and you could stop promoting your mutual fund. Your smell is so obvious, this topic only for PNB fund. This is not your first time keep telling people in this thread about PNB return smell curious, unable to paid the loan, and etc that not about this thread. in case you need a reminder:Please read the topic of this forum before starts your words, if you telling this in the fixed deposit thread, you posted something familiar to this, I'm sure people will against you. If you want to start your private companies investment, go make a new topic or fund investment corner. This topic only for PNB fund exclusively. quote first page of thread: QUOTE This is the tread for discussions related to all kinds of PNB funds have a good day and happy investing. i wish you well |
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