QUOTE(ViRaViRa @ Mar 22 2012, 12:14 AM)
What do you mean by surface? My question is WHICH ONE IS MORE SMOOTH and there is only one answer. But you try to oppose it by saying that it is like that because of bla bla bla. If that is the case, we can't compare at all, because everything has a reason to be such way. If you need to know where you said that,
READ HERE"I didn't disagree the Windows Phone OS is smooth, just that, it cannot directly be compared to N9 as it's like something that is solely built for performance only, while N9 is for performance, flexibility and power." is what exactly you told. If cannot be compared smoothness = smoothness and multitasking = multitasking etc, then how else do you do comparison? By giving reasoning, "it is like that because of bla bla bla"?
First off, thanks for taking the step. So, let me explain my part:
1. Firstly, I already admit my mistake and apologize on my previous debate with you.
2. Note above I didn't say "you" cannot and I didn't disagree with Windows Phone OS being smooth.
In my personal point of view, Windows Phone is built to be simple, which will obviously be smoother.
MeeGo was not just aimed to be simple, it's aimed for few things, so, generally, it will not be able to compete with Windows Phone OS.
I use example like a car which develop for fuel saving purpose, and a sports car which also optimize for fuel saving.
Surely, I think you don't have to compare at all, but you can still compare to see:
A. How much fuel saving is the car which is made for fuel saving against the sports car which is also fuel efficient. This is to know the "difference" in details not to show or just say "this fuel saving car saves more fuel than the sports car" which obviously is already know.
BUT, that's my opinion and what I wish to share with you. If you disagree, IT'S OK. I'm cool with it and I've admitted my mistake for going overboard over it.
QUOTE(ViRaViRa @ Mar 22 2012, 12:14 AM)
Read my post (post #864). At one point, I've said the following :
"I don't see a reason not to compare the smoothness of N9 vs Lumia 800 because overall if you read the post, I am also saying in which area N9 is better. For those statements, can I then say that I shouldn't compare with Lumia 800 because it is not built for performance?"
but I didn't get a reply for this sentence in your next reply (post 866). Instead, you changed the topic to fuel saving car and sports car and I wonder why did you gave that example in the 1st place?
I guess I miss that. I apologize for that, it's a long reply by the way and as I said, I got carried away when replying, which later I admitted and inform you.
Anyway, I've explain in above post.
QUOTE(ViRaViRa @ Mar 22 2012, 12:14 AM)
By giving all those unnecessary DSLR and sport car example to let Lumia 800 down, obviously it is a bashing....that is how it looks for me. That is why I said, NO, Lumia 800 is not a DSLR....don't put high hope on it. It is just a digicam which can get my job done easily and I don't need a DSLR. You are putting it down just because it didn't satisfy you. You are a perfectionist like I've said and you wanted a powerful, customizable and flexible, smooth and reliable.......all in 1 device and I told you not to dream.
I'm using DSLR as example, I can use any example. It's a software point of view, it may not be understand by everyone, so I use DSLR or Camera. If we buy a camera, we have all the options and custom settings. And actually it has nothing to do with DSLR or not.
These are all software settings. If a company comes out with a camera that only have AUTO and SCENE mode. What happens? Do we keep quiet and feedback on the need for more features.
AUTO and SCENE mode still gets the job done for many people, but does it mean they can drop those other features?
It's not about being a perfectionist, if you still don't get what I mean, then I can't help it. Above example is what I meant. I never said things need to be perfect. I understand software, it's not like hardware limitation.
As Windows Phone, I've said it's great, but these limitations and restrictions is drawing people away and it's software part, which can be easily resolved. I didn't complain about the ram cause I know nothing can be done (although it's nice to have more), I have few complains with the hardware (same with N9), but I know nothing can be done, so I didn't mention it.
For software part, it can actually be resolved.
Again, it's my personal opinion and what I would like to share with you. If you still disagree and wish to call be perfectionist, then I can't do anything, but I am quite a perfectionist but I know how to differentiate what is reasonable and can be improve and what can't.
QUOTE(ViRaViRa @ Mar 22 2012, 12:14 AM)
You felt that the article was not very useful because it is against what you said (bad things that you said) about Lumia 800. And in my article (my blog), I started to say a few words bad about N9, you immediately replied me with you long long essays. Just because I said some bad things about N9, you couldn't accept it? And you call that not bias?
It is not about praising the Lumia 800. It is when you give an impression that N9 is godlike phone when compared to Lumia 800 and when I deny it, you are not happy (based on the long long essays of yours after my comparison).
1. About your article, no, it's not because you said bad things about N9. I have many complains on N9 as well. This is an honest answer, It's not about not happy. Ok, this is what happen, I was trying to explain when comparing performance, which I think should consider how the device function and so on, so we can understand why Windows Phone is smoother and so on. I got carried away in writing, so I apologize.
If I were to write, I would write Windows Phone is smoother too but I would mentioned why, and why N9 or any other phones has some hiccups, etc.
I notice it's your article and your opinion; So I retract and apologize, as my initial intention was just to let you know but it didn't turn out well.
2. For the article which I said not very useful, again, it's for me. because I feel it's just a happy read. I wish to see she would highlighted some disadvantages WHICH is not to benefit me, but if she have said it, and Microsoft or Nokia has read it, it would've been more helpful.
That's why I said, what we should concentrate on.
In my opinion, resolving these limitations and restrictions, can help to resolve many problems; Imagine, if there is no such restrictions, we all won't be having this discussion and we all would be more happily enjoying the device.
3. I'm not sure when did I show or give impression that N9 is godlike? To tell the truth, did you know that I complained a lot about N9 and as time goes by, I become less and less keen about the device, until recent PR1.2 updates, which give better experience; but I still didn't praise it like godlike as far as I'm concern. It's also not my primary device, but it's reliable to make phone calls and sms, and there is Skype/Facebook Chat.
Anyway, what I'm not happy is mainly on the part when you said no bluetooth, mass-storage thing and you specifically mentioned not to complain because iPhone also same (or something like this), which I PERSONALLY find it's not good way because:
1. Just because iPhone have this limitations, doesn't means it's ok for other to have it.
2. We need to help to raise awareness on how important these features.
This is what I feel when I read that article, again, it's your article. I'm sorry that I've gone overboard, as what I wanted is just to inform in, but I did it badly.
QUOTE(ViRaViRa @ Mar 22 2012, 12:14 AM)
Now, I've given some links above (or the post numbers). What do you say?
I don't know what were your previous complaints about N9 but the recent comparison of DSLR = N9 and DSLR without features for Lumia and the Photoshop and the sports car and fuel saving car......IS THAT YOUR WAY OF MAKING COMPARISON? That is what I am wondering and I strongly disagree.
You are the one who is judging me (my comparison, my post) from the beginning. And you are contradicting yourself now.
Of course I've read but sometimes when it comes from a person who expects a DSLR out of Lumia, I tend not to put to much attention on those that he mentions.
First, I say thanks for making the steps, I've provide my explanation. If you don't agree, it's OK, at least we both tried. I don't want to make enemy or have any unhappy feelings with each other or anybody, so it's best if we could talk it out and settle it, rather than keeping the thorn inside each other.
Erm, I don't recall DSLR=N9 thing, but as above, I was merely trying to explain the software features and functions. Yes, it's my way, not for comparison, it's for using as EXAMPLE.
I'm not so sure about you, I think it's normal to use other example to explain something else.
For example: In programming we have polymorphism, when I explain to people in non-technical term, I use Clark Kent and Superman; An object can change to different form.
If I cause any misunderstanding here, then I'm truly sorry, it was not to show which is godlike or which is better.
Yes, in my first post, I'm judging you, so I have apologize (I know sorry doesn't mean I can just get away), but in the previous post, I think you judged me, so I'm just telling you not to.
I didn't expect DSLR out of Lumia, if you read my post again and again, I only wish Windows Phone (Not Nokia, Not Lumia) to remove the limitations and restrictions (reliance on Zune, add bluetooth file transfer, mass storage mode, and some issues like supporting more than 1 mobile number). Is that a lot to ask?
These are easily added and not a big problem, but the way I see it, it can be a big issue to many current Symbian users. Nokia themselves know, so I don't blame Nokia, even Thomas knew when I told him, his feedback was nothing much they can do as well.
Anyway, I hope the above will give a good and clears our understanding. If you disagree with ANY, it's OK, we don't have to be unhappy about each other or use any other words or calling. Honestly, I do not wish it, it's not a nice feeling. To make a friend is better than to make an enemy.
Lastly, again, I'm really sorry for quoting your article and reply you in that way. Hope we can come to an understanding of the above.
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