The market will proof it, with the sales. And with the sales, percentage of satisfied customers. General public perception different from us,as actual studies show(Msian one, not mat salleh, not developed country one). They form the majority of the buyers, or ones with disposable income & decision makers.

Nop, I didn't say that. You are the one who said that even since before.

1) You said I cannot compare N9 with Lumia 800 when it comes to smoothness because of bla bla bla. Then I asked you whether it is right then to compare areas that N9 is better than Lumia 800 and you went mum.

2) To be specific, we are discussing about the link that I've given (the 1st impression link) and you guys were immediately not happy as Lumia 800 was praised. What the heck? It is just a first impression and you guys can't take it? Who is biased now? Who is bashing now?

3) I posted that link not because of Lumia 800 but because of N9 that she has said something about. Furthermore this is a N9 thread and I don't see why you people who is bashing Lumia 800 is continuing to do so (yes, obviously you guys are bashers who are unhappy because Meego was dumped).....and none of you said anything about what she said about N9, until now.

4) Did you people READ the article in the first place? or closed the moment she started to say something good about Lumia 800?

5) I don't see you complaining about N9 at all and that gives me an impression that this phone is sent from heaven by the angels. Is it that perfect? If it is not, then I don't see why you people ACTIVELY discussing about the "so called drawback" of Lumia 800 in N9 thread.

Actually Kenny's previous article already have many information and predictions form others with statistics and so on. Long before that, also have many predictions. I think it's a natural and normal process, and if people actually got read it, it may not come to this.

Anyway, we're like to stating the obvious on what are the drawbacks on Windows Phone OS. Some did not take it well I suppose, but each have their own opinion and ways. I guess sometimes, you just have to know and accept that some people just cannot discuss and take it well.

I don't see why you and he have to disagreeJUDGE what someone else is saying as his/her personal opinion. Who are you people to judge someone else? That is what I am saying here. I don't disagree with whatever flaws that the Lumia 800 has so obviously I am not a fanboy like you. Saying indirectly doesn't mean that you didn't say.

And you want me to do the homework for you? When have bashers ever agreed that they are bashers?

I love this statement....my point exactly....N9 is not the perfect phone....no phone will be for everybody....but we don't need to compare what we have which we always consider the best with some other who doesn't seem to fit our criteria....

just enjoy our phone rather than comparing with others.....those comparison discussion can be there....but please limit it to the earlier existance of the phone itself.....it's been 6 months already guys....come on....we all know N9 is a superb phone since we are all in N9 thread maah....so no need to compare2 sudah....

Hi.

1. Got the N9. Updated device. Now Maps keep crashing. What's wrong?

2. And how to transfer Favorite from N8 to N9?

3. How do you do a "take battery" out reboot?


This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Mar 21 2012, 11:19 PM

after updating....we are normally advised to do full reset by all the sifoo here....have you tried that?

What reset please?

make sure you back up your data first!

To Clear Device, do the following:

Open “Settings”
Tap “Reset”
Choose “Clear Device”
Tap “Yes” to confirm the process.

You mean after reset, I have to download the entire 290MB to update device all over again?

I did the reset and now the phone seems to be stuck with that 'white square circle' going forever. Hang? This is not good.

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Mar 21 2012, 11:35 PM

Show me in quote. I want to see it also.
I didn't say cannot (or at least meant to), what I meant is it's only surface. I did reply that you can and with many reason, I guess you also get carried away and didn't take it with rational mind.

I've explain to you later that I have gone overboard and get carried away; my initial statement is to let you know the difference between comparing with surface/cover, and another is to understand why. But you can still compare as you like. It's just mere information sharing to you. But seem you rather not have people share with you.

Where did I went mum? quote me.
Did I say it's not right? I myself wrote a big list of N9 drawbacks, but you prefer to see me as a Windows Phone hater and make claims about it.

WHERE is the bashing? QUOTE and SHOW ME.
WHERE is the biased? QUOTE and SHOW ME.

Try to read back with rational and calm mind what I actually said about the article. As I recall and read back, only the first line was about the article which I said, "not very useful". Well, I personally find it "not very useful".
Is is biased? It is bashing? Wow.

Wait, I praise Lumia 800 too. But you prefer to ignore everything. I also praise Lumia here before, before we Rangers get our device, I also did the same in Lumia 800 thread, budden it's not important anyway.

Again, where is the bashing? I just said, "not very useful". The rest is more like what I feel we should concentrate on.

I think it's more like you're trying something here? With links and no words; tell me, you expect me to not be suspicious, but I try not to think that way as I have tried to end the previous debate with you peacefully and admitting my mistake, but you doesn't seem to done any.

No and No.
I read through but not in detail because it's more about what she felt and also how it further confirms the believe. i find nothing useful (to me), it's more like a happy read. Budden I never said it's bad, just said I don't find it useful. Is it cannot?

WOW! I didn't complain about the N9? HAHAHAHA, this is the biggest joke in history. Now it's more clear that you're biased and jump to conclusions.

Even though I like N900 a lot, I even complain and talk about the drawback a lot in N900 thread, just do a search. I think aspire sifu will remember this more. I complain about the lack of ram mainly on N900, no ringtone assignment to contacts, no contacts grouping and so much more.

Don't judge a person when you don't know the person. I already said, I'm trying to be fair, I talk about the goods as well as the bads.
I have talk about Windows Phone great features, but did you notice or even read?

Amazing!

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Added on March 21, 2012, 11:38 pmJudge? Where?
I see you're judging me more, calling me this and that, calling me hater for Windows Phone, calling fanboy or something else, calling bashers. Did I ever call you anything before that?

For the previous debate, I've already admitted what I did, I went overboard and get carried away. I shouldn't have write it that way because what I wanted to do were more like sharing and highlighting, but the discussion turns a nit ugly. If you're still unhappy, then I can't do anything.

It's simple, it I'm bashing, just show to me. I would like to know which part do you mean I'm bashing. I don't see it honeslty. Enligthen me. If I did, why do I need to disagree? If it's true, I will admit, if not I will explain to you what it means and if you still disagree then it's fine, at least we move a step and discuss?
In my point of view, if there's any misunderstanding or unhappiness, just tell it out and see if we can understand each other, if we can't then we try not to discuss on it further. Simple as that, we're not kids anymore.
If you don't want to show and let me know, then we can't proceed, but it's fine, we can just leave it at there. You an call me whatever you want as long as it make you feel better and happy, but personally I would prefer if we can sort it about by understanding each other better.





This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 21 2012, 11:38 PM

Do soft reset, as in "restore settings" cannot kah? Then Optiplex no need to reconfigure a lot of stuff.

This is what i do..i dont always put everything in b4 i got a stable one..it keep me off the headache to think what went wrong

Soft reset might work as well..theres no harm trying in a new device rite

Oh ya, correct also. Forgot he said just buy one. Then can, either way. I normally try "restore settings" 1st since it's been some time bought the device,dont want the headache of re-configure,etc.

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Mar 22 2012, 12:08 AM

What do you mean by surface? My question is WHICH ONE IS MORE SMOOTH and there is only one answer. But you try to oppose it by saying that it is like that because of bla bla bla. If that is the case, we can't compare at all, because everything has a reason to be such way. If you need to know where you said that, READ HERE

"I didn't disagree the Windows Phone OS is smooth, just that, it cannot directly be compared to N9 as it's like something that is solely built for performance only, while N9 is for performance, flexibility and power." is what exactly you told. If cannot be compared smoothness = smoothness and multitasking = multitasking etc, then how else do you do comparison? By giving reasoning, "it is like that because of bla bla bla"?



Read my post (post #864). At one point, I've said the following :

"I don't see a reason not to compare the smoothness of N9 vs Lumia 800 because overall if you read the post, I am also saying in which area N9 is better. For those statements, can I then say that I shouldn't compare with Lumia 800 because it is not built for performance?"

but I didn't get a reply for this sentence in your next reply (post 866). Instead, you changed the topic to fuel saving car and sports car and I wonder why did you gave that example in the 1st place?

By giving all those unnecessary DSLR and sport car example to let Lumia 800 down, obviously it is a bashing....that is how it looks for me. That is why I said, NO, Lumia 800 is not a DSLR....don't put high hope on it. It is just a digicam which can get my job done easily and I don't need a DSLR. You are putting it down just because it didn't satisfy you. You are a perfectionist like I've said and you wanted a powerful, customizable and flexible, smooth and reliable.......all in 1 device and I told you not to dream.

You felt that the article was not very useful because it is against what you said (bad things that you said) about Lumia 800. And in my article (my blog), I started to say a few words bad about N9, you immediately replied me with you long long essays. Just because I said some bad things about N9, you couldn't accept it? And you call that not bias?



It is not about praising the Lumia 800. It is when you give an impression that N9 is godlike phone when compared to Lumia 800 and when I deny it, you are not happy (based on the long long essays of yours after my comparison).

Now, I've given some links above (or the post numbers). What do you say?

I don't know what were your previous complaints about N9 but the recent comparison of DSLR = N9 and DSLR without features for Lumia and the Photoshop and the sports car and fuel saving car......IS THAT YOUR WAY OF MAKING COMPARISON? That is what I am wondering and I strongly disagree.



You are the one who is judging me (my comparison, my post) from the beginning. And you are contradicting yourself now.

Of course I've read but sometimes when it comes from a person who expects a DSLR out of Lumia, I tend not to put to much attention on those that he mentions.

Maps data on Maps seems corrupted (partial maps shown) but Drive seems fine. I went to Maps/Manage Maps but there are no option button to download maps. It just says "Connect to a Wi-Fi network to download maps" and nothing else. I am already connect to wifi. What did I do
wrong?

The Nokia Link is a poor version of Nokia Suite and there are no option to handle Maps.

This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Mar 22 2012, 12:23 AM

Haha..anyway this phone has limitless potential..just dont brick the phone sudey..

Has anybody here manage to brick the N9?

Under "Manage Maps". Bottom right icon, click on it. It has Add Maps, CHeck for updates.
You can browse others websites ok? Try reconnect your wifi
Btw, your GPS ok? can detect fast?

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Mar 22 2012, 12:35 AM

I read the manual and there is supposed to be a '3 bars' option icon at the bottom right hand corner but there are none on mine. On the bottom left hand corner, there is a "back" icon Hence my asking.....

And I can go online to OVI store so I must be online already.

Worst case scenario is, I uninstall Maps and reinstall. But I don't see Maps being listed in OVI store. I bought N9 precisely because of Maps. So how?


This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Mar 22 2012, 12:46 AM

Ya, ya, that's the one, 3 bars icon. Weird yours dont have, later try reboot the phone when you're finished with stuff from Ovi store.

There are apps to shutdown, reboot the device without using button...if you want it. I use 'restart me'
Hmm, flash can get after update to PR 1.2. Download 1) Firefox 2) Flash player from Ovi store. Opera Mobile labs for Opera

Others, tomm let the sifus help you