Since N9 is being abandoned, I just hope they will sell it to me super cheap....say....half price? LOL

Those loyal Nokia users switched to Iphone cos of smoothness, apps and its popular. Old uncles and aunties dont use internet much, some dunno how set up emails in phone. IPhone is to make calls, sms,apps. Not say uncles and aunties, some younger ones also dunno(25 to 40 yr old)

True also that kids pass old phones to parents to use, thats y the parents abuy one that they themself know how to use, lol. Btw,all these based on actual study done. Of course I understand that KL youngsters more canggih than Melaka lah,keke

There are still loyal Nokia users who still stick to them, if they focus on WP only with its current restrictions,is like purposely driving away the loyal customers. Super duper hard to get back customer in US, Iphone too deeoly entrenched there liao. Same time piss off old customers, lol, really funny. Later new customer tak dpt, old one run away.

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Mar 12 2012, 05:14 PM

Depends. iPhone so many limitation also attract so many customers. Now u saying wp7 with restriction will drive away that's not necessary

Yeah, the issue with Symbian has always been insufficient memory, be it RAM or working C drive. Only now they learn but it's so darn late.

Actually I agree the 3 button setup on WP7 is confusing. But there are good points to them, especially the search button. Just too bad it was never properly explained how to use it. Then again, it needs net connection also so most won't bother.

Well, management have made their decisions. Nothing much we can do about it. The ship has sailed. There's no turning back. I just wish they give us N9 users a bit more attention that they promised instead now put everything N9 also no priority, from their main team to the BetaLabs team. It's just so sad to hear them reply that an update for an app MAY come later this year. The MeeGo team seems to have been stripped bare liau.

Wow u have the N950!!! So what apps have u made for our N9?

Yeah sad M'sian attitude, only think of make profit....


Half price?? I think most likely it'll disappear soon.

Haha, so even if u dun know how to setup email or go online, I think as long as the phone works as a phone it's still OK lah. It applies to iPhone or WP7, just see which one catch ppl's eye. At least here Nokia dares to do something different in terms of design, not like the endless copy of same looking slab of phone.

Anyway, I'm not from KL ah.

Yeah what to do, just wait & see lah. If Lumia tak ngam, guess they only have their Asha lines left. Hope Meltimi(Low end MeeGo) turns out to be true. Who knows, Nokia might still surprise. Just as long as they dun go kill the goose before it can lay some gold eggs lah.

The main question, how many people actually use it or utilize it? It cannot be customize, so it's useless to many and it's annoying when you can easily accidentally pressed it on the Lumia 800 which is not a hardware button, you'll occasionaly meet Mr. Bing on and off, "Oh Hello Bing? You again?"


But not everyone uses the low end devices, many of them still using high end Symbians despite they don't utilizes it, mainly for the higher spec, display, design, camera, etc.
Example: My uncle uses the N8, but he doesn't surf net, he doesn't have data plan, he doesn't connect the phone to the PC. But he does take photo and transfer files to his friends or relatives. He's been an all time Nokia user.
If Windows Phone failed him and no more options, where to go? Now think about many other of these users.
Some may be able to adapt, but how many?
BUT, luckily and thankfully the 808 PureView will still be running the Symbian...

Let me say this again. Some can and some can't. Following iphone's restrictions and expecting to be as successful as iphone is like shooting at the moon. Microsoft and Apple are not in the same league. Not even in the same ballpark.

For start Apple is an iconic company which has built up a huge base of loyal fans. These fans will tolerate shortcoming that Apple comes up with. No FM radio? No problem. Will any other company dare to copy this? Not even Microsoft. They know not to commit suicide.

In fact a BBC report says researchers have determined that Apple products excite the same areas of the brain in their fans as religious imagery does in the faithful. Go figure.

Furthermore iphone is compensated by the best appstore in the world. It's 1.5x bigger than Android and if you compare them the general quality of ios apps is much better. For travel apps iphone has no equal - Android is one lap behind.

Then there's momentum. People generally follow the crowd and iphone has achieved a tremendous user base. Its momentum just carries it forward irrespective of restrictions and limitations. If you have almost zero momentum like WP7 you had better be much better than the competition instead of trying to ape their restrictions and limitations.

After 1.5 years of existence WP7 achieved a 1.9% global market share. Bada was launched only a few months before WP7 and despite being a badly managed os produced by only one manufacturer it has beaten WP7 with 2.2%. So why did Nokia take on this loser and tie the fate of the whole company to it?

I should say - drive away those who dont use Iphone anyway. Loyal Nokia users who didnt jump ship to Iphone due to the restrictions would not jump to WP7. We hv stick with Nokia thru all the hu ha of iphone, one of the reason is less restrictions. Those who already jump to iphone most likely will stick to iphone, more apps. Those who already jump to Android most likely would not like the restrictons. From nokia to android then back to nokia symbian belle, they still can accept, symbian faster now.

As long time Nokia user, I cannot accept if they solely use WP7. Some more market it without considering customer needs of Asia region, like saying we all not important. Only western market,Us market important, Asia market only for cheapo S40 phones. This one is like driving away customer lor
like the n9 not sold in some countries, ppl there say like purposely want shove Lumia down their throats. So, as you know, they go buy online the n9,and very pissed with Elop

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Mar 12 2012, 06:01 PM

Is the Search key on Android customisable? Anyone wanna confirm? Yeah can hit wrong easilly but I have to ask, why would you change a search key to do something else? Isn't that even more confusing? Also I'm wondering a bit, do you know what you can do with the search key? This is a good article - Nokia Conversations

Even though for most of us here we see 808 PureView on Symbian as a good thing, anyone who is not a Nokia fan thinks overwise. I had to spend a lot of time explaining to them why 808 is on Symbian.


Hence why I call Apple fans zombies.

Anyway, have you guys even thought about Windows 8? How that ties PC, tablets & phones together? Maybe that's the reason Nokia took the risk? I'm just making a wild guess BTW.

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Added on March 12, 2012, 6:23 pmDon't worry, Symbian phones still around for another year or 2. Oh ya, the Asha lines r not some cheap useless phones especially the new ones. They have touch screen, have Twitter, FB, Whatsapp & *GASP, they have SWIPE? Go check out Asha 202 vids. (Well, not the super ultra cool SWIPE we have on N9 lah of course)


This post has been edited by zachary22_77: Mar 12 2012, 06:23 PM

Yea i have to agree with u on that those got the N9 will be piss off. The Nokia N9 dont cost 500 bucks. for the 64GB version is RM2088 end up being replaced by lumia.

Indeed iphone have alot apps but the responsiveness is unlike lumia and meego its slow.

Nothing that Elop does makes sense for Nokia but it makes a lot of sense for Microsoft.

What search key on Android?
Android have "Back", "Home" and the third one is not search key, it's a Menu key, which I find it much more useful and wanted it on the Windows Phone.
On the Windows Phone, you have to press the "..." at the bottom right, if there is not "..." means no options and you're stuck, means there's nothing you can do there. I feel this many times, even my friend who review it, looking for the menu, then I said here no menu.

Simple; People want the latest or new. Symbian is old. These people I would classify as "wants" not "need" or doesn't understand or know better, or simply, wants a reason to bash the 808 PureView.
They didn't exactly state reasons for using Windows Phone OS or why is it better, their comments is mostly plain and blant.


No idea how it will look and how it will work; but I still doubt it because there's no reason to drop MeeGo or other OS, it seems more like there's something else going on.
Yunno, when Elop joins and there're already rumors, and when he kills off one by one and announce WP, the rumors become more accurate. Infiltrate and attack from the inside.. and then....
Who knows, just rumors.

Less than USD500 kah? So murah liao? Yeah, some of the ppl in Maemo forum pissed until they boycott all Lumia series, in protest to the decision not to sell in US & some Europe countries. Nvm, in future management & marketing class, this will be example of 'ways of pissing off customers",
Never I encounter before this type of marketing strategy, people want as many choice as possible for customers, they go limit,hahaha

At least for now until 2016, for whatever reason(I doubt they listen to customer complaints, they in world of their own), they will release the 808 to make us happy,

Nobody like to be a test market subject ma. If they wanna do lumia then design differently not identical with different OS. I also speechless when they announce lumia. Now comes Lumia 900 bigger screen and identical and all this phones launch within a year.

This post has been edited by aspire2oo6: Mar 12 2012, 10:05 PM

Yeah I saw them in the shop but not it's not Symbian 3 lah, RAM also less, camera 3.2 MP only. Design ugly. Of course cheaper, less than RM500.
Never mind, Nokia Board of Directors want to follow Microsoft by the nose, remaining users just jump ship when the time comes. Microsoft wouldnt bother much, they still have their profitable software business, Nokia is the one to die

No need explain why 808 run on Symbian, it's camera which can make calls,sms, use internet, good enough liao. Use WP, must pay this royalty & that royalty, endure this & that restriction. The main thing is the camera. If they not convinced, ask them go buy a camera with similar function, then buy a phone that can online, see how much it cost...settle.

I somewhat agree that Nokia is like a puppet to Microsoft..can't imagine if Microsoft pulls-out all of a sudden, Nokia's entire operation/business will be hanging by a thread..symbian is one thing, but Nokia should also pursue other OS and not really fully rely on MS..

Problem is they do test market like dunno what is happening in current market situation. Just simply gasak only. Some more both are big company. No wonder Asian brands are making progress faster

This post has been edited by eaglehelang: Mar 12 2012, 10:25 PM

if test market they sell cheaper less than 1k then okay not phones like nokia N9 cost 1.7k to 2k. i also dunno how i want recommend nokia to others. Now lumia also same lumia 800 and 900 identical somemore.

This post has been edited by aspire2oo6: Mar 12 2012, 11:05 PM

Dude, are you sure there's no search key on Android? It's a requirement for Android 1.6 till 2.3x, only recently dropped for Android 4.x. I guess it's so useless on Android that you didn't even realise it was there.

It was Back, Home, Menu & Search. Though the order can be mixed around which was dumb since every manufacturer seems to go with their own ordering, making it confusing if you switch.

UPDATE: I see why you didn't notice the search key, since Samsung & Sony dropped it from their phones. HTC the only ones that still giving all 4 buttons, until their latest One series of course. Most of the ppl I know were using HTC hence why I noticed the search key.

Well, if you trying to simplify things I don't see why u need options everywhere. That's the old Symbian mentality. We already went through this before so no point discussing again.


Well, would you agree that most ppl never KNOW what exactly they 'want' or 'need' in a phone? Only till after they use it then see what their frens can do then they realise, OH! I want my phone to be able to do that too!!!

Yeah I know about this angle. It's a very believable angle. But then think about this. Americans wouldn't even touch a Nokia before this year. This year, because of Nokia efforts in WP, Americans finally giving praise to Nokia, something they could never find themselves doing before this. They would rather die before giving high praise to Nokia. Yes I know our N9 is the 1st device to actually make them notice Nokia again & yes they could have gone on with MeeGo. I definitely wished it was so too, else why the heck I use N9?

Anyway, the story of MeeGo & it's mismanagement is for another day, if you guys didn't already know about it.

This post has been edited by zachary22_77: Mar 13 2012, 03:05 AM

If they drop it, I think it's proven it's pretty useless, LoL.
My friend using HTC, I checked with him, he also never use it.
It maybe personal preference, but I think majority may find it useless, thus it's better to allow user to customize.

Not sure if it's Symbian, but even my friend's who's been using the Milestone since it first launch, when he use the Windows Phone, in some screen, he was asking how to get the menu/option. There's no such button, have to look for "..." at the bottom right of the screen.

Anyway, among all the phones I used, I never really have any problem; except this Windows Phone, because I really find the search key, not really useful and since it's not a physical hardware button, it's easily accidentally press. The Lumia 710 is physical button, so you may not experience it so often; on the Lumix 800, if your hand just slip or accidentally "molested" it, then "Hello Bing!"

For Windows Phone, probably the Menu button is useless in the Live Tiles screen (but actually it can be useful when they allow user to customize the Live Tiles more, user can hit the menu button and access the menu options).
In many other screen, the menu/option is very useful, I've been using it on the Android, whether viewing photo, in FB app, or whatever. There's no "..." button hidden on the bottom right like Android. So I don't think it's a Symbian thing.
If you're viewing a photo in FB app, and you want to access option, in Windows Phone, you have to see whether there is this "..." sign on the bottom right. With most other phones, you use the menu/option button; There is usually nothing on the screen.

As I said, it's a personal preference, whether on screen on or hardware key, it's just a matter of getting used to, just like iPhone only have 1 button to rule them all, and N9 have button-less.
I have no problem with N9 anyway, but why Windows Phone? Because I find the Search button hardly use by many; If given choice, I rather customize it to another usage; I want search, I can add a shortcut in the Live Tiles, which I think many might prefer, but I doub't they wouldn't even bother to put in the Live Tiles.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 13 2012, 09:26 AM

Hahahaha! I can see you really hate Mr Bing.

I did my testing on a Lumia 710 so yeah, you're right I didn't accidently press that key. Funny how u term it as "molested", I guess you really pressed it too often.

Yeah it's personal preference so we'll leave it at that.

Anyway, some good N9 news, DLNA on N9 is certified as a M-DMS device. From the dev himself