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 Nokia N9 - V03 - [Fluidity King For Nokia], Let~~~ SWIPE~~~ all~~~ the~~~ way~~~

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post Mar 29 2012, 11:44 PM

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I am having GPS problem on my N9. Can't search using coordinates. I have tried:
1 22 33.33, 4 55 66.66
1 22 33.33n, 4 55 66.66e
1 22 33.33 n, 4 55 66.66 e
1 22 33.33 n 4 55 66.66 e

So how do you do a 'take battery out' reboot? I had held down the power button for a long time but nothing happen.



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post Mar 30 2012, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Mar 29 2012, 10:22 PM)
Let me correct you there battery life of lumia have been fixed on 12070 and the Nokia N9 battery life on the latest update indeed longer mine on standby already 4 days never charge still got 60% battery left.

I want to be honest about the N9

Nokia N9 have their own problems like weak wifi and 3G performance  My friend N9 having issue with disappearing act like all his messages vanish , Average camera performance, Limited apps, laggy when updating feeds.

Nokia Lumia indeed have the problem u mention cant connect to adhoc wifi connection, battery died and cant turn on but overall it does seems to work better
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1. Many users still complain that their battery life has not been fixed even after 12070 update.
2. N9 wifi sensitivity is weaker than others but only a problem with marginal wifi signal. Not a problem in normal use.
3. Weak 3G performance? Never heard of this.
4. sms messages vanish - an isolated case. Never heard of anybody else having this problem. Those problems I mentioned with Lumia affect a large number of users and are reported widely.
5. Average camera performance - average is good enough. Those who want ultra camera performance should go for N8.
6. Limited apps - not a fault of the N9. Some users don't need a lot of apps. Let's not bring limitations and restrictions of WP7.5 in either.
7. Laggy when updating feeds - tolerable.

I don't agree with your conclusion that Lumia seems to work better. It seems to be rushed to market with serious bugs and production quality is below Nokia's high standard. Nokia subcontracted production of Lumia to a Taiwanese company.


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how to update contact picture from facebook?....my friend already change her/his picture profile but the contact still show old picture...
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post Mar 30 2012, 06:57 AM

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I tried *#7780# and it doesn't work. So how do you soft reset the N9?

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post Mar 30 2012, 07:04 AM

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soft reset?
goto setting --> Reset --> Restore settings
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post Mar 30 2012, 08:36 AM

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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Mar 30 2012, 12:19 AM)
1. Many users still complain that their battery life has not been fixed even after 12070 update.
2. N9 wifi sensitivity is weaker than others but only a problem with marginal wifi signal. Not a problem in normal use.
3. Weak 3G performance? Never heard of this.
4. sms messages vanish - an isolated case. Never heard of anybody else having this problem. Those problems I mentioned with Lumia affect a large number of users and are reported widely.
5. Average camera performance - average is good enough. Those who want ultra camera performance should go for N8.
6. Limited apps - not a fault of the N9. Some users don't need a lot of apps. Let's not bring limitations and restrictions of WP7.5 in either.
7. Laggy when updating feeds - tolerable.

I don't agree with your conclusion that Lumia seems to work better. It seems to be rushed to market with serious bugs and production quality is below Nokia's high standard. Nokia subcontracted production of Lumia to a Taiwanese company.
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I am just sharing my conclusion of both device after used for lumia 3 weeks and N9 5 months and not from "many users"

1. Before 12070 update phone died by 6pm after update 8pm battery left 30%
2. For me it does because i must keep moving nearer to the router when all other devices have good coverage.
3. When the signal is weak it drops connection just imagine holding the ipad with full bars on 3G and your N9 1 bar and doesnt load the page.

4. Try explain to someone that spent RM2088 on a 64GB and non tech savy. His answer i should have bought iphone?
5. Thats not the point i think i didnt indicate correctly below average for a 'carl zeiss' 8megapixels
6. No offense to you or anyone so you are giving yourself a reason after spending 1.5k - 2k? is okay to have limited apps. So if people ask you why no whatsapp? Its not about alot but it doesnt even have the essential apps.
7. Lumia updating feeds no lag at all and sorted accordingy to single user or show all.

I tried to be optimistic coming from a person that still owns a Nokia N900. If you want to know what consider a rush work that is the Nokia N9.

This post has been edited by aspire2oo6: Mar 30 2012, 08:37 AM
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 29 2012, 11:44 PM)
I am having GPS problem on my N9. Can't search using coordinates. I have tried:
1 22 33.33, 4 55 66.66
1 22 33.33n, 4 55 66.66e
1 22 33.33 n, 4 55 66.66 e
1 22 33.33 n 4 55 66.66 e

So how do you do a 'take battery out' reboot? I had held down the power button for a long time but nothing happen.
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Previously did that GPS method worked? I think you need to turn off the online search from setting before entering coordinates. Didn't see a reason for it to work such way but probably it is a bug which is fixed by now (last tried few months back).
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post Mar 30 2012, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(zachary22_77 @ Mar 29 2012, 04:15 PM)
Hahaha!!! Don't forget to give me the link to your "cheong hei" review when you're done.  laugh.gif
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Sure, but you might find it very long and you may read many of my "personal" view, so not those general review.

Anyway, I've done the same for Nokia N9 previously (when it was launch), you can try see and you can roughly guess how I will write mine, besides most of the hardware are the same; But the Nokia Lumia I believe it's longer because I write a lot on the Social Networking Service (SNS) integration (too detailed in fact, actually Windows Phone website already given better clear and better explanation, and also Multi-tasking.
I would say, it's easier to write for Nokia N9, when we were told we were required to write, I got many ideas and so on, but of course, it never really went so well as I planned. For Nokia Lumia 800, honestly, I'm not really sure what to write, although I know the most interesting part will be the Social Networking Service (SNS) integration, but the disadvantages kind make the process difficult (keep modifying, trying to write in constructive manner possible).

My Nokia N9 version:
http://214impressions.blogspot.com/2011/10...mpressions.html

QUOTE(zachary22_77 @ Mar 29 2012, 04:15 PM)
Yeah, very true that this method of OS management gives more stability. So I wish that Nokia gave me a switch to toggle autokill apps when not enough memory in N9. Hehehe!
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Yup, options for users is the best. Each user can customize to their own liking, and if there's anything to blame, most of the time, it's the users to be blame. But if there's no option, people will blame the OS.


QUOTE(zachary22_77 @ Mar 29 2012, 04:15 PM)
Well, improvements are always coming so that kind of feature in their Office app might happen in the next few updates. The improvements in Office from the ori WP7 they say was huge. It was very very buggy in the ori WP7.
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True, the improvements for WP7.5 is actually a lot (for developer, it was just 7.1, but for market, they decided to call it 7.5).
The future versions will surely be better, but currently there're still no news about the reliance on Zune, Bluetooth/WiFi file transfer, Mass-Storage mode, File Manager, etc. Hope we will be able to see something soon.


QUOTE(zachary22_77 @ Mar 29 2012, 04:15 PM)
Oh, didn't realise Samsung Wave was using AMOLED. Anyway, most of the complaints seem to be on Samsung Omnia 7 & Samsung Focus. A good example is here.
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Thanks for the link, really weird, some of their devices/display have no issues, while some have, they should have more standard.

QUOTE(KennyKB @ Mar 30 2012, 12:19 AM)
1. Many users still complain that their battery life has not been fixed even after 12070 update.
2. N9 wifi sensitivity is weaker than others but only a problem with marginal wifi signal. Not a problem in normal use.
3. Weak 3G performance? Never heard of this.
4. sms messages vanish - an isolated case. Never heard of anybody else having this problem. Those problems I mentioned with Lumia affect a large number of users and are reported widely.
5. Average camera performance - average is good enough. Those who want ultra camera performance should go for N8.
6. Limited apps - not a fault of the N9. Some users don't need a lot of apps. Let's not bring limitations and restrictions of WP7.5 in either.
7. Laggy when updating feeds - tolerable.

I don't agree with your conclusion that Lumia seems to work better. It seems to be rushed to market with serious bugs and production quality is below Nokia's high standard. Nokia subcontracted production of Lumia to a Taiwanese company.
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I think what he meant work better is for general users. I do agree with him Lumia seems to work better, it's stable, reliable and smooth.
BUT in comparison, there's difference is not a lot. For Nokia N9, it's still better than many phones, so in consideration, unless the person is very serious wants ultimate perfection?
To me, I'll be fair, both N9 and Lumia is works well and have good performance, smoothness, reliability and stability. Lumia is better, no doubt; Just like what I've said before, it's built to achieve this, so it surely will be better, just by how much and how important is it to people.
Not everyone wants the FASTEST phone, similarly, not everyone wants the most POWERFUL phone, etc.


Added on March 30, 2012, 9:57 am
QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Mar 29 2012, 10:22 PM)
Let me correct you there battery life of lumia have been fixed on 12070 and the Nokia N9 battery life on the latest update indeed longer mine on standby already 4 days never charge still got 60% battery left.

I want to be honest about the N9

Nokia N9 have their own problems like weak wifi and 3G performance  My friend N9 having issue with disappearing act like all his messages vanish , Average camera performance, Limited apps, laggy when updating feeds.

Nokia Lumia indeed have the problem u mention cant connect to adhoc wifi connection, battery died and cant turn on but overall it does seems to work better
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N9 last because the moment you connect to internet, it will update feeds; Perhaps can set to manual.
For Lumia, it works differently, it will only update feed for specific part when you access it. Example: when you access "Me" tiles, and go to "what's new" view, you will notice it will update feeds and only for "what's new" under you. If you access People, it will again update the feeds for the all the contacts. If you access a particular contacts, it will again update the feeds for that particular contacts. The one difference is, you can press back, while it's updating and it's still smooth, it depends how the multi-threading is handled.
For MeeGo, it's not only updating feeds, it's also connecting to your Chat, like Facebook, Skype, etc.

Anyway, both have pros and cons; I like MeeGo way, when we connect, it will update everything and automatic set our chat to online, just like Maemo. User can turn this off and manually connect if they want to.
But Windows Phone OS have better and deeper social networks integration, you can LIKE and Post Comment and Tag people directly form the phone, no need to open FB app. Very cool, and the feeds are also cached into the phone, you can view their pictures and albums directly from the phone, very cool, and if you view it, it will be cache into your phone again... so even you offline, you can view back the same photo... even after you restart your phone, you still can view it, very nice. Windows Phone OS really did very well job here and how detail and deep they did. BUT for sharing/upload, it's too basic, they need to learn from MeeGo. It can be their future improvements.

QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Mar 30 2012, 08:36 AM)
I am just sharing my conclusion of both device after used for lumia 3 weeks and N9 5 months and not from "many users"

1. Before 12070 update phone died by 6pm after update 8pm battery left 30%
2. For me it does because i must keep moving nearer to the router when all other devices have good coverage.
3. When the signal is weak it drops connection just imagine holding the ipad with full bars on 3G and your N9 1 bar and doesnt load the page.

4. Try explain to someone that spent RM2088 on a 64GB and non tech savy. His answer i should have bought iphone?
5. Thats not the point i think i didnt indicate correctly below average for a 'carl zeiss' 8megapixels
6. No offense to you or anyone so you are giving yourself a reason after spending 1.5k - 2k? is okay to have limited apps. So if people ask you why no whatsapp? Its not about alot but it doesnt even have the essential apps.
7. Lumia updating feeds no lag at all and sorted accordingy to single user or show all.

I tried to be optimistic coming from a person that still owns a Nokia N900. If you want to know what consider a rush work that is the Nokia N9.
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2. When I first trying to detect, got this issue, but after detected and connected, I seems have no issue, even better than iPhone4. My room has weak signal, when FIRST TIME try to connect my N9, it's like cannot detect and weak, but once it remembered, I have no issue, I never need to connect manually anymore, I come home the N9 already auto connected and have no issues so far, even update the N9 to PR1.2 from my room, no problem.

3. So far I haven't meet this problem? My N9 using DiGi, seems the yellow man has been good and following my N9. Hope it will continue to stay, lol.

5. No comment seldom use, but GSMArena (I think), mentioned that N9 have better noise reduction. I seldom use N9 to capture, but I like the continuous shutter, haha.
But yes, I did find Lumia have better quality, but there's bugs here and there like focus on the background.
Yesterday I update to the latest firmware via Zune. Today morning I try to capture my daugther hand, I use macro, first focus ok and captured, second time focus, it won't focus correctly, BUT no RED color, it shows focus ok, but you see the object is not in focus, the background in focus instead. I have to switch to other mode then switch back to Macro, then capture again.
Weird, did you face this problem?

6. I believe this depend on individual; but yes, most people wants apps and games, so it'll the major deal breaker for Nokia N9, the main reason Nokia N9 cannot sell well.
Similarly, for Windows Phone, the major deal breaker is the restrictions and limitations. This limitations and restrictions can be easily resolved..... just a matter of "management decisions"

7. As explain in earlier post, how it works is different; In a way, you can say WP way is more efficient, and I like this part too because they have great deep social networks integration.
But I also like MeeGo connect once, update all.
So, both also got pros and cons, it user can choose and customize EACH option how they like, then best.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 30 2012, 09:57 AM
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post Mar 30 2012, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(ViRaViRa @ Mar 30 2012, 08:59 AM)
Previously did that GPS method worked? I think you need to turn off the online search from setting before entering coordinates. Didn't see a reason for it to work such way but probably it is a bug which is fixed by now (last tried few months back).
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You are right. N9's Map has to be set to 'offline' for it to work. Definitely a bug and my version is 4.2.55

Is there simply no way of transferring favorite from N8 to N9 even with apps?


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Update from tgalal on porting of Whatsapp to N9!
Look at the last post!

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Hey guys, here is quick progress update:

    Message delivery indicators - Almost
    Chat logging - Done
    Editing Status - Not yet
    Only 1 to 1 Conversations - Done
    Contacts sync - Done
    Integration with Accounts manager - Done
    Integration with Meego's notifications - Almost
    Running the app in background - Not yet


And adding to the done list too:

    Registration which is done too via native Accounts manager. It also automatically parses the received Whatsapp code so you wouldn't enter it manually.
    Contact is typing indicator
    Contact presence


I would greatly appreciate any advises concerning running the app in background. I'm looking for a behavior that would be pretty much similar to how original Whatsapp works (almost un-exitable). PS: I'm using python + PySide.


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Oh and here is a Website for you

http://wazapp.im/

Really thanks for the icons!

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 30 2012, 09:35 AM)

N9 last because the moment you connect to internet, it will update feeds; Perhaps can set to manual.

How to set update feeds to manual? Is there a 'one switch' that does that?

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Apps is N9's weak point now but when we get a proper porting of Android 4.0 this weak point will disappear. Then our N9 will be able to run 2 OS with dual boot. What other phone give you this flexibility?

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QUOTE(Kazuki @ Mar 30 2012, 11:38 AM)
Update from tgalal on porting of Whatsapp to N9!
Look at the last post!
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Super news!!! Very exciting times for our N9

QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 30 2012, 11:44 AM)
How to set update feeds to manual? Is there a 'one switch' that does that?
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There are options under Applications/Feeds. No there's no 'one switch' to do all these. U have to go in configure them yourself for whichever service you want to auto update or not.
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 30 2012, 11:44 AM)
How to set update feeds to manual? Is there a 'one switch' that does that?
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In Settings --> Notification --> Feeds on home screen, got automatic updates, you can switch it off.
You will notice there got other notifications services, which I believe will run when you connect.

IN Settings --> Applications, there also got feeds, you can also customize there.

Not sure got any other service.

For Chat, by default it will auto-connect. In Maemo5, we can disable the service since it doesn't have feeds and notification feature. In MeeGo, the Chat and other services is under 1 account, so if you disable, it will disable those services also. However, you can disable the Chat under that account.
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 30 2012, 12:07 PM)
In Settings --> Notification --> Feeds on home screen, got automatic updates, you can switch it off.
You will notice there got other notifications services, which I believe will run when you connect.

IN Settings --> Applications, there also got feeds, you can also customize there.

Not sure got any other service.

For Chat, by default it will auto-connect. In Maemo5, we can disable the service since it doesn't have feeds and notification feature. In MeeGo, the Chat and other services is under 1 account, so if you disable, it will disable those services also. However, you can disable the Chat under that account.
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If you switch it off, what about emails?

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 30 2012, 12:15 PM)
If you switch it off, what about emails?
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What Andy means is that u can go into an account like Facebook, disable chat. Or go into Gmail, disable chat. That will not affect your contacts or your email.

Update: Oh wait in Facebook, Contacts & chat are tied together. Haha!

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- On wifi signal, its not as strong as other devices but better since PR1.1. No problems at home, whether upstairs and downstairs, at the gate. Outside, it can detect the kfc, McD,etc wifi and connect at one floor up. It can detect the streamyx wifi from the office across the street
- 3G, no problems, maxis will follow faithfully,lol. Its the same as my E6.
- sms vanish. Huh? Thats a new one.
Conclusion : ask the guy, you want test with my 64Gb n9 instead ? Or the sim card tray got problem?

- Apps, yup, its n9's weak point. Iphone has loads of apps.
- Lumia's smoothness, cant comment, all you ranger sifus can compare.


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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 30 2012, 12:15 PM)
If you switch it off, what about emails?
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Under settings-> notifications ->Mail. You can slide it on and choose push notifications.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 30 2012, 09:35 AM)
Sure, but you might find it very long and you may read many of my "personal" view, so not those general review.

My Nokia N9 version:
http://214impressions.blogspot.com/2011/10...mpressions.html
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I just finished reading your review, now can answer your post. laugh.gif

Really long oh. But it's good stuff. Seldom see people write reviews like this so once in a blue moon have comprehensive also good. thumbup.gif

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 30 2012, 09:35 AM)
Thanks for the link, really weird, some of their devices/display have no issues, while some have, they should have more standard.
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I think they reserved the best AMOLED displays for their best devices, Galaxy S & Wave. The rest like Omnia 7 & other manufacturers that buy from them gets the 2nd class ones. It's business what to do.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 30 2012, 09:35 AM)
To me, I'll be fair, both N9 and Lumia is works well and have good performance, smoothness, reliability and stability. Lumia is better, no doubt; Just like what I've said before, it's built to achieve this, so it surely will be better, just by how much and how important is it to people.
Not everyone wants the FASTEST phone, similarly, not everyone wants the most POWERFUL phone, etc.
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Well said! Can't agree more with that.

Anyway, as a user of both N8 & N9 at the same time, I'll add a bit on the N9 WIFI & 3G issues. My N9 is my main phone now with data line while my N8 is my 2nd phone for family calls.

1) WIFI reception on N9 is weaker compared to my N8. I can sit in a coffee shop, whip out both phones, open WIFI scanning & see my N8 show a list of available WIFI that is at least twice as many that is shown on my N9. This is repeatable anywhere I go. When connected to the same WIFI, the N9 also shows less signal strength compared to the N8 and sometimes can lost connection if the WIFI signal is weak but my N8 stays connected.

2) I sit in a room at my work place that is a bit isolated from outside so mobile signals are pretty weak in my room. I generally get around 2 bars on my N8 & N9, though most of the time it's just 1 bar on N9. I use DiGi by the way on both phones. This is normally not an issue until I have to reply something on the phone. At least on my N8 I can type & reply sms without DiGi line disappearing from my phone but not on my N9. Just holding it in portrait orientation & typing is enough to kill signal. I then proceed to finish typing, the put my N9 on table, wait around 1/2 a min for it to get back signal, then press send. But I did find a better way, hold the phone in landscape orientation & signal won't die. Apparently, the mobile antenna is located near the bottom of the phone, slightly above the speaker. So holding the phone in portrait orientation with your hands covering the bottom half will cause signal issue, not a big issue when signal is strong or good, but can be very frustrating when you're in a place with poor signal.

Disclaimer: This is just my observation on using both my phones. Please don't shoot me saying things like I don't know how to use a phone. icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 29 2012, 11:44 PM)
I am having GPS problem on my N9. Can't search using coordinates. I have tried:
1 22 33.33, 4 55 66.66
1 22 33.33n, 4 55 66.66e
1 22 33.33 n, 4 55 66.66 e
1 22 33.33 n 4 55 66.66 e

So how do you do a 'take battery out' reboot? I had held down the power button for a long time but nothing happen.
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switch your maps to offline, exit and enter maps app back, then only you can search by coordinates

This post has been edited by pikacu: Mar 30 2012, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(pikacu @ Mar 30 2012, 04:16 PM)
switch your maps to offline, exit and enter maps app back, then only you can search by coordinates
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Yes, you are right. This is definitely a bug.

So you know of a way to transfer en mass all the Favorite in the N8 to the N9 (both on different Nokia account)? I can only find one way to do so but only one Favorite at a time and it's time consuming.



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