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post Mar 31 2012, 01:44 AM

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 30 2012, 08:34 PM)
Yes, you are right. This is definitely a bug.

So you know of a way to transfer en mass all the Favorite in the N8 to the N9 (both on different Nokia account)? I can only find one way to do so but only one Favorite at a time and it's time consuming.
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to me not a bug ..if N8 didn't behave this way then it is definitely bug laugh.gif

This is only theoretical...you may try it on your own.

at your N8, with all favorites available, switch to your from 1st nokia account to 2nd nokia account, perform sync, and perform sync (using 2nd nokia account) on N9.

didnt try yet anyway, because I unified my nokia account
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QUOTE(pikacu @ Mar 31 2012, 01:44 AM)
to me not a bug ..if N8 didn't behave this way then it is definitely bug laugh.gif

This is only theoretical...you may try it on your own.

at your N8, with all favorites available, switch to your from 1st nokia account to 2nd nokia account, perform sync, and perform sync (using 2nd nokia account) on N9.

didnt try yet anyway, because I unified my nokia account
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Interesting & theoretically workable method but for some reason, it is not working.

On photo geotagging. I took some photo with N9 but couldn't see the coordinates in the photo gallery. (FYI, i have sent those photos to the computer and the coordinates are there).

Having both the N8 and N9, I find Maps (not Drive) performance on N9 being bad comparatively. It's slower to launch and worst still, going into Favorites always incur temporary freeze and scrolling of Favorites is super lagging and getting stuck often. Do you people have the same problem?


This post has been edited by Optiplex330: Mar 31 2012, 11:01 AM
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post Mar 31 2012, 11:06 AM

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regarding the Maps, it is same with mine
need some times to load the Maps, then at favourite there got a bit lagging. the scrolling is not so smooth
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Thank you everyone for your valuable input.

QUOTE(yeohsheng @ Mar 29 2012, 04:32 PM)
why would you come for n9 only for the nitdroid? if only for that, why not you go get an andriod phone?
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The same reason why I go for HTC HD2. I love customisation.
Customisation is quite limited to native Android phones.
I must admit that I learnt a lot through customising my HD2.

QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Mar 29 2012, 04:56 PM)
If you want an android OS, best get android phone, lots and lots of choices. If you are thinking of getting n9 to get a taste of meego, then ok. What are the features which are must have for you? Apps and games are not n9 strong points.
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Yes, you're right about getting an Android phone. The problem is everyone has the same Android phone with you.
I'm sure that Nokia's camera is still better than Android phones out there, plus I'm a flashaholic.

QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 29 2012, 05:43 PM)
May be he like the good look of the N9? It sure looks better than SG2 or iphone4 my friends were using.
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Yes, you're right. I really fell in love with new Nokia phones, but too bad, either they're on WP or Meego.

QUOTE(KennyKB @ Mar 29 2012, 06:33 PM)
If he gets an N9 he can run 2 OS - MeeGo and Android. Why choose one when you can have both? A wise choice.
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Thank you and you're right.
It's not about dual OS only. It's about world and thrill of customisation & flashing ROM.

QUOTE(GravityFi3ld @ Mar 29 2012, 06:36 PM)
"Buy 1 get 1 Free" concept? Truly Malaysian.. haha happy.gif
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No, it's not about buy 1 free 1. I love Android, and I'll use Android only.
I've been finding a successor to my aging HD2, so I'm sure this is a good phone to replace it.

QUOTE(KennyKB @ Mar 29 2012, 06:43 PM)
The N9 has far less problem than Lumia 800 now even after all the os upgrades. Current Lumia problems include short battery life, unable to charge when battery runs down, phone rebooting itself at random, poor audio quality, alarm refuse to ring, etc. Rest assured that the N9 is a very stable and usable phone.
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Thank you.

QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Mar 29 2012, 10:22 PM)
Let me correct you there battery life of lumia have been fixed on 12070 and the Nokia N9 battery life on the latest update indeed longer mine on standby already 4 days never charge still got 60% battery left.

I want to be honest about the N9

Nokia N9 have their own problems like weak wifi and 3G performance  My friend N9 having issue with disappearing act like all his messages vanish , Average camera performance, Limited apps, laggy when updating feeds.

Nokia Lumia indeed have the problem u mention cant connect to adhoc wifi connection, battery died and cant turn on but overall it does seems to work better
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Thank you for your input. I hope NITDROID can do something about it.

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even s40 got their own nokia reader...when is meego?

nokia reader
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QUOTE(merajey @ Mar 31 2012, 04:32 PM)
even s40 got their own nokia reader...when is meego?

nokia reader
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Feeds. It's been there since day 1.
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QUOTE(merajey @ Mar 31 2012, 04:32 PM)
even s40 got their own nokia reader...when is meego?

nokia reader
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Nokia N9 have a more detailed aka Nokia Reader we called Notifications its one entire page for it.
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but comparing it to Lumia app the nokia reader also act as ebook reader application. The UI of the app is simply stunning..
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post Mar 31 2012, 10:44 PM

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So far, the No.1 disappointment I have of N9 is the lousy Maps application. Slow. Lagging. Unstable. A far far cry from N8. Only Drive is OK.
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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Mar 30 2012, 12:19 AM)
1. Many users still complain that their battery life has not been fixed even after 12070 update.
2. N9 wifi sensitivity is weaker than others but only a problem with marginal wifi signal. Not a problem in normal use.
3. Weak 3G performance? Never heard of this.
4. sms messages vanish - an isolated case. Never heard of anybody else having this problem. Those problems I mentioned with Lumia affect a large number of users and are reported widely.
5. Average camera performance - average is good enough. Those who want ultra camera performance should go for N8.
6. Limited apps - not a fault of the N9. Some users don't need a lot of apps. Let's not bring limitations and restrictions of WP7.5 in either.
7. Laggy when updating feeds - tolerable.

I don't agree with your conclusion that Lumia seems to work better. It seems to be rushed to market with serious bugs and production quality is below Nokia's high standard. Nokia subcontracted production of Lumia to a Taiwanese company.
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Hi Sifu, regarding no.3, my n9 will turn into hot condition, is it normal? shocking.gif
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i think it is quite normal if you on 3g for quite a long time
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 31 2012, 10:59 AM)
Having both the N8 and N9, I find Maps (not Drive) performance on N9 being bad comparatively. It's slower to launch and worst still, going into Favorites always incur temporary freeze and scrolling of Favorites is super lagging and getting stuck often. Do you people have the same problem?
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When I launch my Maps, i'll let it to sort it out itself for a moment, then after around 30-1min, good already with snappy UI biggrin.gif

well...trade off of having smooth UI i believe sad.gif
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QUOTE(pikacu @ Apr 1 2012, 09:32 PM)
When I launch my Maps, i'll let it to sort it out itself for a moment, then after around 30-1min, good already with snappy UI biggrin.gif

well...trade off of having smooth UI i believe sad.gif
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Not when you want to use the Favorites. It will be super super lagging.

Found another problem. When downloading huge maps data of a 200MB using MAPS, it will freeze (showing....starting) but nothing got downloaded and sucking battery life.

The only way out is to exit Maps and then re-enter to continue downloading where it left off. For a size of 200MB, you have to repeat the exit-reenter at least a dozen time. Maps in N9 is simply a piece of junk.


Added on April 2, 2012, 12:09 amHow to force N9 to use Wifi instead of Telco data when wifi is available? Where are the priority setting?

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Under Settings, did you enable Allow background connections(Mobile data and WLAN) and Alow background connections(MObile data connection when roaming) ?
Are you on power save mode? The internet connections are not continously on in power save

Settings->Internet connection->select the wifi-> enable the Use automatically

The Maps, I only had to connect once & it downloaded, should be around 300MB in total

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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 31 2012, 10:44 PM)
So far, the No.1 disappointment I have of N9 is the lousy Maps application. Slow. Lagging. Unstable. A far far cry from N8. Only Drive is OK.
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I'm not having the problems you are experiencing in Maps. It is stable and smooth. I don't find any super lag when selecting favourites. Downloading big map data doesn't crash it. It could be a damaged installation as what you are experiencing is not normal.
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QUOTE(zachary22_77 @ Mar 30 2012, 02:56 PM)
I just finished reading your review, now can answer your post.  laugh.gif

Really long oh. But it's good stuff. Seldom see people write reviews like this so once in a blue moon have comprehensive also good.  thumbup.gif
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Thanks, since those common review we can find anywhere, and in-depth review, GSMArena has done very detail with detail testing; and I'm not a reviewer, so I decided to write like a blog for what I personally feel and want to talk about the phone, rather than general review. For MeeGo, there's lots to share (even more for Maemo), plus, it'll most likely the only MeeGo device in the market (or MeeGo Harmattan), and it's like a introduction to a competely new OS.

For the Nokia Lumia 800 though, it'll be worst but I've edited a lot, but still very long. LoLx

Anyway, I've done the video on the Multi-Tasking; Not sure if my findings are 100% accurate or not, have been re-writing and re-do for this part few times.




QUOTE(zachary22_77 @ Mar 30 2012, 02:56 PM)
Well said! Can't agree more with that.

Anyway, as a user of both N8 & N9 at the same time, I'll add a bit on the N9 WIFI & 3G issues. My N9 is my main phone now with data line while my N8 is my 2nd phone for family calls.

1) WIFI reception on N9 is weaker compared to my N8. I can sit in a coffee shop, whip out both phones, open WIFI scanning & see my N8 show a list of available WIFI that is at least twice as many that is shown on my N9. This is repeatable anywhere I go. When connected to the same WIFI, the N9 also shows less signal strength compared to the N8 and sometimes can lost connection if the WIFI signal is weak but my N8 stays connected.

2) I sit in a room at my work place that is a bit isolated from outside so mobile signals are pretty weak in my room. I generally get around 2 bars on my N8 & N9, though most of the time it's just 1 bar on N9. I use DiGi by the way on both phones. This is normally not an issue until I have to reply something on the phone. At least on my N8 I can type & reply sms without DiGi line disappearing from my phone but not on my N9. Just holding it in portrait orientation & typing is enough to kill signal. I then proceed to finish typing, the put my N9 on table, wait around 1/2 a min for it to get back signal, then press send. But I did find a better way, hold the phone in landscape orientation & signal won't die. Apparently, the mobile antenna is located near the bottom of the phone, slightly above the speaker. So holding the phone in portrait orientation with your hands covering the bottom half will cause signal issue, not a big issue when signal is strong or good, but can be very frustrating when you're in a place with poor signal.

Disclaimer: This is just my observation on using both my phones. Please don't shoot me saying things like I don't know how to use a phone.  icon_question.gif
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True, if compared with N8, N900, and some devices, it's weaker. But I compared with my iPod Touch and other people's iPhone3 and iPhone4, seems N9 was better, at last it didn't disconnect. From my room, it was weak signal, other phones were also in 1 bar. The N9 still have no issue, even update to latest PR1.2.
I only have problem when the first time I try to DETECT and connect, it cannot detect as no signal, once I acquired the signal and connect and remembered, I have not face any problem so far (touchwood).


QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Mar 30 2012, 12:43 PM)
- Apps, yup, its n9's weak point. Iphone has loads of apps.
- Lumia's smoothness, cant comment, all you ranger sifus can compare.
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Well, even without compare, it's normal to assume Windows Phone will be smoother, it's build to achieve stability, reliablity and smoothness, primarily to compete against iPhone.

MeeGo is from Maemo, simplified and trying to achieve smoothness and realibility without sacrificing what it can do. Altough there is quite a lot of unnecessary sacrification, =P
Maemo5 itself is already smooth, just it's not stable and the rendering is not so well done, but if you've use one, it's smooth and you can easy multi-task with multiple program running; Looking at it's specs, it's really amazing already.

QUOTE(andyjyneo @ Mar 31 2012, 11:18 AM)
No, it's not about buy 1 free 1. I love Android, and I'll use Android only.
I've been finding a successor to my aging HD2, so I'm sure this is a good phone to replace it.
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If you will only use Android, I think it's better to get an Android Phone. You most likely won't get the full functionality of Android and is most likely worst than any other Android phones in the market.

The NITdroid project start since long ago, NIT means, Nokia Internet Tablet (NIT), this project is initially to make it "USUABLE" on Nokia Internet Tablets (N770, N800, N900, etc) and now Nokia N9, which is not exactly a Nokia Internet Tablet.

I'm not sure HOW functional will the Android in N9 be, but based on previous NITDroid users recommendation, if you want an Android only, it's better to get a proper Android phone. Those that have NITDroid, basically they're dual booting and just want to play some Android games and apps, they still use back their primary OS.

NITDroid:
http://guug.org/nit/nitdroid/
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Apr 1 2012, 11:01 PM)
Not when you want to use the Favorites. It will be super super lagging.

Found another problem. When downloading huge maps data of a 200MB using MAPS, it will freeze (showing....starting) but nothing got downloaded and sucking battery life.

The only way out is to exit Maps and then re-enter to continue downloading where it left off. For a size of 200MB, you have to repeat the exit-reenter at least a dozen time. Maps in N9 is simply a piece of junk.


Added on April 2, 2012, 12:09 amHow to force N9 to use Wifi instead of Telco data when wifi is available? Where are the priority setting?
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I agree Favourites in Maps is very laggy. Seems to be the one part they forgot to put GUI acceleration in. I've also hit the problem with maps not downloading once but u can solve it by restarting the phone.

There's no priority setting in N9 like in N8. Just go into Internet Connection, Edit Networks, select the WIFI u wanna use & enable Use Automatically.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Apr 2 2012, 09:53 AM)
Thanks, since those common review we can find anywhere, and in-depth review, GSMArena has done very detail with detail testing; and I'm not a reviewer, so I decided to write like a blog for what I personally feel and want to talk about the phone, rather than general review. For MeeGo, there's lots to share (even more for Maemo), plus, it'll most likely the only MeeGo device in the market (or MeeGo Harmattan), and it's like a introduction to a competely new OS.

For the Nokia Lumia 800 though, it'll be worst but I've edited a lot, but still very long. LoLx

Anyway, I've done the video on the Multi-Tasking; Not sure if my findings are 100% accurate or not, have been re-writing and re-do for this part few times.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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Nice vid u did there. Though I understand you're trying to find a consistent behavior in the Multi-tasking model, I feel that most users will find it confusing. Hehe!

The one thing I feel you forgot to show is that how jumping around a few open apps affects the queue & what will be closed when there's not enough memory. This one will show how it doesn't follow FIFO rules, instead your least used app will go poof!

Quite honestly after using so many phone OS, I've never used one that will prompt you if you wanna close an app when memory is running out. Besides, a prompt that shows up each time like this will annoy the crap out of most users so yes it's better to have option to turn it off if available. A good example is Symbian OS, there's just too many prompts showing up that is not needed, gets in the way & just pisses me off. Luckily with Nokia Belle, they are all almost gone.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Apr 2 2012, 09:53 AM)
True, if compared with N8, N900, and some devices, it's weaker. But I compared with my iPod Touch and other people's iPhone3 and iPhone4, seems N9 was better, at last it didn't disconnect. From my room, it was weak signal, other phones were also in 1 bar. The N9 still have no issue, even update to latest PR1.2.
I only have problem when the first time I try to DETECT and connect, it cannot detect as no signal, once I acquired the signal and connect and remembered, I have not face any problem so far (touchwood).
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Actually I'm wondering if you used your iPod Touch with iOS 3.xx before? As I was using 2nd Gen iPod Touch I was using it since iOS 2.xx & signal has been great. Upgraded to iOS 3.xx also was fine, no signal issues. But upgrading to iOS 4.xx turned my iPod Touch into a horrible device with signal strength & batt life issues. Though some ppl might say my batt life issues are becoz my device is so old, I beg to differ. It was fine right before I upgraded to iOS 4 & has been horrible since upgrade. Signal strength was a joke, I can be beside my router & it shows 1 bar!!! It's really random & only happened after iOS 4. Later versions of iOS 4 did fix it a bit but it's still nowhere near the kind of signal strength I got when I was using iOS 3.xx.

Honestly my N9 haven't got much issue connecting to WIFI networks it remembers, just that it's range is not as good. I'm quite disappointed with it since it's body is poly carbonate which doesn't interfere with signals, while my N8 is made of aluminium which interferes with signals. I was expecting better than my N8 performance.
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QUOTE(zachary22_77 @ Apr 2 2012, 12:11 PM)
Nice vid u did there. Though I understand you're trying to find a consistent behavior in the Multi-tasking model, I feel that most users will find it confusing. Hehe!

The one thing I feel you forgot to show is that how jumping around a few open apps affects the queue & what will be closed when there's not enough memory. This one will show how it doesn't follow FIFO rules, instead your least used app will go poof!
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Actually I did "mentioned" it I think, but I didn't pause and show comparison. I put in text saying the the apps will be moved to the BACK position, so the FRONTS apps will be closed. If that's what you mean, haha.
But we can't monitor the memory, like in my video, seems 2 apps were closed instead of 1 sometimes.

QUOTE(zachary22_77 @ Apr 2 2012, 12:11 PM)
Quite honestly after using so many phone OS, I've never used one that will prompt you if you wanna close an app when memory is running out. Besides, a prompt that shows up each time like this will annoy the crap out of most users so yes it's better to have option to turn it off if available. A good example is Symbian OS, there's just too many prompts showing up that is not needed, gets in the way & just pisses me off. Luckily with Nokia Belle, they are all almost gone.
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Yea, but those doesn't have app limit like Windows Phone; So, it'll be nice if BEFORE I open this app, the OS prompts me, if I open this, X app will be close, even better if it let me choose which to close. Cause maybe it's something important, like a GAME played halfway not yet saved for example.

So far, I haven't face issue with other OS EXCEPT Android, which also happily close the app for your without manners. Once I was typing something in web browser, then I want to check something in SMS, when I go back the the browser, it restarted. doh.gif That's so annoying (not to mention it's already slow), I never experience these before with my N900 despite having low ram and running multiple apps at the same time.

As most people don't like the prompt or don't know what it does, they can make default as auto-close, but for users who wants prefer not to, they can change it. OR, the first time it can prompt, then user can tick, remember my selection and don't show this again.

QUOTE(zachary22_77 @ Apr 2 2012, 12:11 PM)
Actually I'm wondering if you used your iPod Touch with iOS 3.xx before? As I was using 2nd Gen iPod Touch I was using it since iOS 2.xx & signal has been great. Upgraded to iOS 3.xx also was fine, no signal issues. But upgrading to iOS 4.xx turned my iPod Touch into a horrible device with signal strength & batt life issues. Though some ppl might say my batt life issues are becoz my device is so old, I beg to differ. It was fine right before I upgraded to iOS 4 & has been horrible since upgrade. Signal strength was a joke, I can be beside my router & it shows 1 bar!!! It's really random & only happened after iOS 4. Later versions of iOS 4 did fix it a bit but it's still nowhere near the kind of signal strength I got when I was using iOS 3.xx.

Honestly my N9 haven't got much issue connecting to WIFI networks it remembers, just that it's range is not as good. I'm quite disappointed with it since it's body is poly carbonate which doesn't interfere with signals, while my N8 is made of aluminium which interferes with signals. I was expecting better than my N8 performance.
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Yea, my iPod Touch was the 3G version, old already, 2 years plus. It got signal, but still weak. I upgraded to iOS4 but hardly use it after so didn't really compare the WiFi signal, but it's definitely weak as I move from certain area in my room, it will disconnect. Usable, but in comparison with the Nokia N9, I find the Nokia N9 connection more usable. Of course, cannot compare with my other devices.


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Comparision between N9 and Lumia 800 on UI and multitasking.



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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Apr 2 2012, 08:18 AM)
I'm not having the problems you are experiencing in Maps. It is stable and smooth. I don't find any super lag when selecting favourites. Downloading big map data doesn't crash it. It could be a damaged installation as what you are experiencing is not normal.
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How many favorites do you have in the list? Once tapped, how long does it takes to get into Favorite list in the Maps program?

I have since did a Clean Device and with no Favorite, it is pretty fast. Once I got 150 favorites into the list, it will again take 8 seconds and a mid-way freeze to see the listing. N8 has no such problem



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