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post Oct 15 2012, 07:17 PM

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Hi All sifus,

Looking for painter to paint my house DST intermediate unit (18x55) after reno.

My reno contractor (chinese)
Include ICI paint.
Whole house interior and exterior
other detail did not mention in quotation...need ask him to find out...
RM7000

Another painter from cheras (chinese)
Labour only
Whole house interior and exterior (paint whatever you can paint in the house)
Minor skim coat
Apply sealer on hacked / new wall only
He tole me price is bit high coz he need travel from Cheras (very jam)...
RM3800

3rd painter (Malay)
Whole house
Labour to paint only = RM4000
Labour to paint + skim coat = RM6000

Are they epensive?
What is the resonable price for my case?
Anyone got good painter with better price?
All sifus please comment. TQTQ
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post Oct 15 2012, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(tomjason @ Apr 13 2012, 08:27 AM)
PMed you and others that have requested for the formula.
If the sampah from hack wall, its ok. donot have sampah as paper bag cement and wood, these wood will attract termite..also if you fill it with 'sampah' or soil from others place, be caferefull as soil from others places can have termite inside..we never know, beside the side effect i mention before that means you bring termite to your area...cause contractor like to fill with soil as its cheap..


Added on April 13, 2012, 8:31 am
TQ bro.

the GI truss have two type , the C type shape (cost around RM32 per piece )and the V type (cost around RM12)shape....these prices one year ago...the hardware shall know..for the orange pipe..it UPVC Sirim approved type expensive cost about RM77 per pipe, the price one year ago. All these can be found at hardware shop selling material construction.


Added on April 13, 2012, 8:32 am
using rebar instead BRC net steel for your floor is the best....but it is costly and timing cause, need worker to tie the individual rebar...
today tips:
1. attach picture below is my DIY for the kitchen sink pipe outlet. This is the correct way to install the kitchen sink outlet pipe. Please use this type of elbow (using screw) so that when your outlet pipe is blockage with food wastage , you can easily unscrew the elbow and clear the blockage with wire or 'wire ring' that you can buy from hardware shop.

     
2. From the pic below also, to avoid your food wastage pipe from blockage, use my tips, use at least upvc pipe size 3" or 4" at the last end to man hole, this way your do not have food wastage blockage is future. My design , from the sink, i use upvc sirim approve (thick) size 11/2 ", then goes to upvc pipe size 2", and at last goes under ground upvc pipe size 3" to man hole. Please study the pic in detail.

[Tomjason already deleted the photo attached. Sorry ]...PM me if you want the photo
want more clarification, inform me.
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3. For electrical, i would advise to have seperate DB for your house if you are doing reno, such as one DB at living room, one DB at kitchen or one DB at upstair. In this way you can easy manage and easy to troubleshoot in future.

4. If you are doing reno, i would advised you to install power socket and light inside your upper ceilling, And the ceilling power socket and light have switch control from down stair.
want more clarification, inform me.
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bro tomjason,
do you mind to pm me your photos on kichen sink?
thanks.
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post Oct 17 2012, 07:54 AM

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QUOTE(yapyeen @ Oct 11 2012, 10:45 PM)
Hi tomjason,
I need to extent my backyard to be a wet kitchen.
Wet kitchen size = 20 x10 feet
Please help to advice us whether below quotation is reasonable or not.

Quotation given by contrator for extention.
1  Back buiding extend:
a  Clearing, hack and remove fence wall.  RM250.00
b  Pilecap x 3 units (size: 3'x3') include (excavation, steel bar & concrete).  RM1,800.00
c  Installation of 3' Bakau piles, 9 pcs for each pilecap (total use: 27pcs). RM600.00
d  Fill up 12" and compaction.  RM450.00
e  Building & Structure 20'x9.6' include (concrete structure, brickworks by cement sand bricks and cement plastering). RM 8,500.00
f   Roofing: G.I. Metal truss with security double battern, alum foil with c.w.netting, concrete roof tiles, facial board & external ceiling.  RM7,000.00
g  Window: 4'x4' x 2 units. (1 new unit and 1 reuse panel unit).  RM800.00
h  Back door: supply and install mild steel frame (door by others). RM250.00
i   Floor tiling to above floor slab (exclude tiles supply) same level to existing kitchen floor.  RM800.00
j   Wall tiling: full high (from side of existing door until side of new back door, exclude tiles supply).  RM1,450.00
k   Back door out side steps down to backlane: concrete, bricks, cement plastering to smooth and tiling to steps top surface.  RM480.00

2 Kitchen:
a  Wet kitchen: counter top (exclude cabinet door and tiles supply), 10'+7'.   RM2,890.00
b  Dry kitchen: counter top (exclude cabinet door and tiles installation), 6'+6'. RM1,500.00

3 Plumbing work:
a  Backyard: washing machine inlet and outlet, include hack wall and wall touch up.  RM500.00
b  Dry Kitchen: relocation sink inlet & outlet.  RM450.00
c  Wet Kitchen: New sink location inlet & outlet.  RM450.00
d  Balcony: Water tap x 1 (include hack wall and touch up). RM200.00
(Above plumbing works exclude supply of sink & taps).

TotalCost : RM28370

Thanks in advance.
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hi bro,

sorry late reply..busy...

your quotation is good and reasonable within my calculation is RM24K.


Added on October 17, 2012, 7:55 am
QUOTE(BM81 @ Oct 15 2012, 10:47 PM)
bro tomjason,
do you mind to pm me your photos on kichen sink?
thanks.
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already put in the thread..read detail my thread.


This post has been edited by tomjason: Oct 17 2012, 07:55 AM
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post Oct 17 2012, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE
Hi All sifus,

Looking for painter to paint my house DST intermediate unit (18x55) after reno.

My reno contractor (chinese)
Include ICI paint.
Whole house interior and exterior
other detail did not mention in quotation...need ask him to find out...
RM7000

Another painter from cheras (chinese)
Labour only
Whole house interior and exterior (paint whatever you can paint in the house)
Minor skim coat
Apply sealer on hacked / new wall only
He tole me price is bit high coz he need travel from Cheras (very jam)...
RM3800

3rd painter (Malay)
Whole house
Labour to paint only = RM4000
Labour to paint + skim coat = RM6000

Are they epensive?
What is the resonable price for my case?
Anyone got good painter with better price?
All sifus please comment. TQTQ


Hi bro tomjason,
Base on your reply to bro qaf1010, I believe upah to paint + skim coat my house should be less than 2k?
hmm...hardly get anyone with that price...they seems wan to earn a lot...

This post has been edited by ^K^: Oct 17 2012, 09:11 AM
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post Oct 17 2012, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(^K^ @ Oct 17 2012, 09:09 AM)
Hi bro tomjason,
Base on your reply to bro qaf1010, I believe upah to paint + skim coat my house should be less than 2k?
hmm...hardly get anyone with that price...they seems wan to earn a lot...
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hi bro,


from my thread i estimated RM3K not RM 2K as you mention.

main contractor shall quote high cost they want more untung.


TQ
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post Oct 17 2012, 09:32 AM

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Hi tomjason,

Would like to ask more about installation of water pump for my new house. Hope you can help beri tunjuk ajar on the piping... From what I understand, the water pump must put after the tangki air, and from there the piping connect back to the house. Can it be installed where I can choose whether to on the water pump or not? Meaning, if I don't on the water pump, I can still get water direct from the tangki air. Hope you can help explain how to go about with the piping + diagram.

Also, is it the kitchen gets water directly from the main pipe and not from the tangki? So if I install water pump, do I need to divert the kitchen's piping to come from the tangki so that it will get strong water pressure also? Need to hack? Please advice... a bit headache with this, need to get a clear picture as I plan to start my reno soon. Thanks in advance!
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post Oct 17 2012, 09:34 AM

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Opps...soli soli...my mistake tongue.gif
My eye blur blur d after bz with reno this few months tongue.gif
Thank you for your clarification bro tomjason smile.gif
Appreciate that!
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post Oct 17 2012, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(cheekily @ Oct 17 2012, 09:32 AM)
Hi tomjason,

Would like to ask more about installation of water pump for my new house. Hope you can help beri tunjuk ajar on the piping... From what I understand, the water pump must put after the tangki air, and from there the piping connect back to the house. Can it be installed where I can choose whether to on the water pump or not? Meaning, if I don't on the water pump, I can still get water direct from the tangki air. Hope you can help explain how to go about with the piping + diagram.

Also, is it the kitchen gets water directly from the main pipe and not from the tangki? So if I install water pump, do I need to divert the kitchen's piping  to come from the tangki so that it will get strong water pressure also? Need to hack? Please advice... a bit headache with this, need to get a clear picture as I plan to start my reno soon. Thanks in advance!
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Hi bro,

Below is my advised:


1. "From what I understand, the water pump must put after the tangki air, and from there the piping connect back to the house. ".

Ans: Yes, according Syabas regulation water pump should be after water tank. Cause if you put after meter than other house will have low water pressure (syabas will take action if people complaint). Second, if you put after meter your bill very high.

2. "Can it be installed where I can choose whether to on the water pump or not? Meaning, if I don't on the water pump, I can still get water direct from the tangki air. Hope you can help explain how to go about with the piping + diagram. "

Ans: Yes, you can design some pipe with water pump some without.

3."Also, is it the kitchen gets water directly from the main pipe and not from the tangki? So if I install water pump, do I need to divert the kitchen's piping to come from the tangki so that it will get strong water pressure also? Need to hack? "

Ans: Yes. Hack or not depend on your choice.


For me i dont prefer water pump, if want to design without water pump read my thread:

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2271767&hl=

gd luck


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TIP:

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This post has been edited by tomjason: Oct 17 2012, 02:53 PM
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post Oct 17 2012, 03:38 PM

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Yo brother,

Just a question from me, my house is extending kitchen and car porch, both are roof tiles. These few days a lot of rain, and cause leakage, but my contractor told me that is because 2nd floor roof no gutter, could this be the reason on the leakage? Because previously it also have no gutters, and the previous car porch also no leakage.
Looking forward on your proffesional advice, thank you.
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post Oct 17 2012, 03:58 PM

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QUOTE(tomjason @ Oct 17 2012, 01:44 PM)
Hi bro,

Below is my advised:
1. "From what I understand, the water pump must put after the tangki air, and from there the piping connect back to the house. ".

Ans: Yes, according Syabas regulation water pump should be after water tank. Cause if you put after meter than other house will have low water pressure (syabas will take action if people complaint). Second, if you put after meter your bill very high.

2. "Can it be installed where I can choose whether to on the water pump or not? Meaning, if I don't on the water pump, I can still get water direct from the tangki air. Hope you can help explain how to go about with the piping + diagram. "

Ans: Yes, you can design some pipe with water pump some without.

3."Also, is it the kitchen gets water directly from the main pipe and not from the tangki? So if I install water pump, do I need to divert the kitchen's piping  to come from the tangki so that it will get strong water pressure also? Need to hack? "

Ans: Yes. Hack or not depend on your choice.
For me i dont prefer water pump, if want to design without water pump read my thread:

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=2271767&hl=

gd luck

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Thanks for the info, tomjason.
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post Oct 17 2012, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(^K^ @ Oct 17 2012, 09:34 AM)
Opps...soli soli...my mistake tongue.gif
My eye blur blur d after bz with reno this few months tongue.gif
Thank you for your clarification bro tomjason smile.gif
Appreciate that!
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u r welcomed.


Added on October 17, 2012, 4:38 pm
QUOTE(cheekily @ Oct 17 2012, 03:58 PM)
Thanks for the info, tomjason.
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u r welcomed


Added on October 17, 2012, 4:48 pm
QUOTE(yooworld @ Oct 17 2012, 03:38 PM)
Yo brother,

Just a question from me, my house is extending kitchen and car porch, both are roof tiles. These few days a lot of rain, and cause leakage, but my contractor told me that is because 2nd floor roof no gutter, could this be the reason on the leakage? Because previously it also have no gutters, and the previous car porch also no leakage.
Looking forward on your proffesional advice, thank you.
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hi bro,

i would like to know, does your leakage area near or due to the reno?..if due to reno then that your contractor do not do it properly. If not, then it mean that leakage is nothing to do with reno, then there are possible causes:

1. Roof tile crack (this condition if eg any one had gone up to the roof that cause the roof tile crack, roof tile is very sensitif, do not let anybody gone to the roof if he do not have knowledge especially where to pijak on the roof. If not then this is due to 2nd reason below:

2. cement rabung crack. Normally and it is very normal that after years, the cement rabung will crack (this condition happend if the contractor had not properly do it, read my thread about rabung cement). Solution, use the waterproofing compound PYE brand (i use this brand) as in the photo i posted.

it very helpfull if you could post your roof photo.

gd luck bro

This post has been edited by tomjason: Oct 17 2012, 04:48 PM
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post Oct 17 2012, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(cheekily @ Oct 17 2012, 09:32 AM)
Hi tomjason,

Would like to ask more about installation of water pump for my new house. Hope you can help beri tunjuk ajar on the piping... From what I understand, the water pump must put after the tangki air, and from there the piping connect back to the house. Can it be installed where I can choose whether to on the water pump or not? Meaning, if I don't on the water pump, I can still get water direct from the tangki air. Hope you can help explain how to go about with the piping + diagram.

Also, is it the kitchen gets water directly from the main pipe and not from the tangki? So if I install water pump, do I need to divert the kitchen's piping  to come from the tangki so that it will get strong water pressure also? Need to hack? Please advice... a bit headache with this, need to get a clear picture as I plan to start my reno soon. Thanks in advance!
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bro cheekily,
if not mistaken, kitchen gets water directly from the main pipe....
before you decide whether want to install pump or not, .you can ask your plumber or measure yourself by using a gauge on the tap and read what is the psi/bar. Anything above 40psi is good enough.
all other sifus please correct me if i am wrong....
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post Oct 18 2012, 07:26 AM

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QUOTE(tomjason @ Oct 17 2012, 04:37 PM)


Added on October 17, 2012, 4:48 pm
hi bro,

i would like to know, does your leakage area near or due to the reno?..if due to reno then that your contractor do not do it properly. If not, then it mean that leakage is nothing to do with reno, then there are possible causes:

1. Roof tile crack (this condition if eg any one had gone up to the roof that cause the roof tile crack, roof tile is very sensitif, do not let anybody gone to the roof if he do not have knowledge especially where to pijak on the roof. If not then this is due to 2nd reason below:

2. cement rabung crack. Normally and it is very normal that after years, the cement rabung will crack (this condition happend if the contractor had not properly do it, read my thread about rabung cement). Solution, use the waterproofing compound PYE brand (i use this brand) as in the photo i posted. 

it very helpfull if you could post your roof photo.

gd luck bro
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Yoyo, thanks for your advice.
Just for your information, the leakage side is new roof area, not old roof area. My house is double storey, i only extend kitchen and car porch. Which means the kitchen and car porch only extend on ground floor. That day i saw both kitchen and car porch roof has leakage, i have told my contractor, but he told me the leakage is not because of tiles problem, is because of 2nd floor roof side do not have gutters, and causing the rain drop into ground floor roof, and somehow cause leakage.
Is it possible? Because i saw a lot of double storey house 2nd floor roof do not install gutters.
And normally install gutters for 2nd floor roof will cause how much (house 18 x60)? Just gv a figure, thanks.
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post Oct 18 2012, 07:43 AM

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QUOTE(yooworld @ Oct 18 2012, 07:26 AM)
Yoyo, thanks for your advice.
Just for your information, the leakage side is new roof area, not old roof area. My house is double storey, i only extend kitchen and car porch. Which means the kitchen and car porch only extend on ground floor. That day i saw both kitchen and car porch roof has leakage, i have told my contractor, but he told me the leakage is not because of tiles problem, is because of 2nd floor roof side do not have gutters, and causing the rain drop into ground floor roof, and somehow cause leakage.
Is it possible? Because i saw a lot of double storey house 2nd floor roof do not install gutters.
And normally install gutters for 2nd floor roof will cause how much (house 18 x60)? Just gv a figure, thanks.
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hi bro,

your contractor is bluffing you, he did not want to admit his mistake. the problem is due to your contractor workmanship..asked him to correct the problem. your problem is NOT due to gutter, that your contractor problem. If he did not want to rectify it, cut his payment.


just to answer your question about gutter, the material cost round type gutter is expensive about RM8 per ft.

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QUOTE(tomjason @ Oct 18 2012, 07:43 AM)
hi bro,

your contractor is bluffing you, he did not want to admit his mistake. the problem is due to your contractor workmanship..asked him to correct the problem. your problem is NOT due to gutter, that your contractor problem. If he did not want to rectify it, cut his payment.
just to answer your question about gutter, the material cost round type gutter is expensive about RM8 per ft.
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My awning at the balcony area was splashing water after it drop to the fencing. I have to add on the gutter and it cost me RM25 psf including workmanship and piping for PVC U shape type.
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post Oct 19 2012, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(BM81 @ Oct 17 2012, 05:19 PM)
bro cheekily,
if not mistaken, kitchen gets water directly from the main pipe....
before you decide whether want to install pump or not, .you can ask your plumber or measure yourself by using a gauge on the tap and read what is the psi/bar. Anything above 40psi is good enough.
all other sifus please correct me if i am wrong....
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Thanks for your advice, BM81. Just to double confirm, for new house, all the shower head piping comes from tangki air or from direct main pipe? Izit just the kitchen piping is from direct main pipe and the rest all from tangki air?
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is it normal for syabas meter to have smaller size pipe at the meter n change back to normal size after that? i mean, before the meter, they use 1" or 3/4", at the meter using smaller diameter of the pipe, and after that back to original size.

does it effect water pressure?

forget to take picture. but i saw my neighbour also having the same.
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QUOTE(tomjason @ Oct 18 2012, 07:43 AM)
hi bro,

your contractor is bluffing you, he did not want to admit his mistake. the problem is due to your contractor workmanship..asked him to correct the problem. your problem is NOT due to gutter, that your contractor problem. If he did not want to rectify it, cut his payment.
just to answer your question about gutter, the material cost round type gutter is expensive about RM8 per ft.
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QUOTE(xerox1234 @ Oct 18 2012, 11:47 AM)
My awning at the balcony area was splashing water after it drop to the fencing. I have to add on the gutter and it cost me RM25 psf including workmanship and piping for PVC  U shape type.
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Thank you for your information. biggrin.gif

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If I lodge a complaint to the consumer tribunal office if the project doesn't kick off, can I get back my downpayment ?? Getting a bit worried now.
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bro... can pm me the formula plzz... tq

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