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post Feb 15 2012, 07:56 PM

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QUOTE(hexer_xavier @ Feb 15 2012, 07:53 PM)
so real man drive pussy car?
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 07:53 PM)
cough cough
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i duno lol~

both car my house got still using the engine from mitsu and another from daihatsu. thumbup.gif
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post Feb 15 2012, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(razkal @ Feb 15 2012, 04:18 PM)
Yerp..i.ve read that the punch CVT cant handle more than 205nm torque. If they use different gearbox, the power might be higher. Cause like you said. It was built within the limit of the gearbox. 

But i guess it's better for proton cause now they start to compare with BMW. lol
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torque is torque . power is power mah.. torque stay at 200nm and power can increase to 150bhp right?
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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Feb 15 2012, 07:56 PM)
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okay, back to the discussion.

buzzer when headlamp is ON -- wtf? it took half presentation slide.

but seriously, 65k? they won't be that stupid.
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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 04:21 PM)
er....turbo = rm10000, and a lot problem tongue.gif

so now u see a lot 308thp for sale biggrin.gif
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many of the pug range use same solution 1.6t engine.. later if want to buy can get cheap or not?
i remember my 407 2L engine rock solid only electronics glitchy.. the turbo one..got intermittent power, scary.. sweat.gif

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i don't know whether my 15 years old wira's light buzzer is aftermarket or a original feature. but i'm sure that light buzzer is an old technology xD

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 08:00 PM)
many of the pug range use same solution 1.6t engine.. later if want to buy can get cheap or not?
i remember my 407 2L engine rock solid only electronics glitchy.. the turbo one..got intermittent power, scary..  sweat.gif
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yea, the only regrettable thing with 407 is 4 speed gearbox....because we prefer 5-6-7-8 tongue.gif

i test drove it, handling better than 308. high speed change lane feel so good. and the car wont feel under power. the car is really luxurious.
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QUOTE(xshiro @ Feb 15 2012, 05:26 PM)
those car under 10secs, not solely because engine power, but gear ratio also important

with cvt, cant expect much
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as you said gear ratio is important, so CVT acterly takes care of the problem but maybe different cvt gives different results.. ideally maximum acceleration and fuel saving from a given engine is best extracted from the engine with CVT thats why hybrid use cvt.. but then different makes produce different results kua..


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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Feb 15 2012, 08:02 PM)
yea, the only regrettable thing with 407 is 4 speed gearbox....because we prefer 5-6-7-8 tongue.gif

i test drove it, handling better than 308. high speed change lane feel so good. and the car wont feel under power. the car is really luxurious.
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yeah gearbox not a joy to use.. and those time not many potong kereta handle AL4 so sked to trash it too much if it fail after waranty..
but i equipped my 407 with 18inch 225 tires, really a handling joy... thumbup.gif if only they brought in the 2.2 with 6speed auto..

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post Feb 15 2012, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Feb 15 2012, 05:56 PM)
people give tin kosong with four wheels and a steering wheel to drive, complain

people give loaded tin with a lot of gizmos and toys with four wheels and a steering wheel to drive, complain

complain complain complain complain complain.
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agree with u..those who said that say back to them just drive the old car with carburetor engine..no need fancy2 sensors,ecu,obdII socket etc2..

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As I think, wait until first batch tries it or at least, the car reaches showroom.

Passing judgment on quality of the P 3-21 A is too early.

I do think, quality is the main challenge on past Protons.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 15 2012, 07:58 PM)
torque is torque . power is power mah.. torque stay at 200nm and power can increase to 150bhp right?
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can if they have used twin scroll turbo to supply max boost during low up until high rpm..
but they decided otherwise because of the cost
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funny, really funny.. juz becoz of a single airbag on/off button which is sumthin thats standard all across other manufacturers these days some people wanna critic, all becoz the car in question has a proton badge doh.gif y dont u guys say the same, when say.... VW does it????
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QUOTE(CooShyRee @ Feb 15 2012, 08:44 PM)
funny, really funny.. juz becoz of a single airbag on/off button which is sumthin thats standard all across other manufacturers these days some people wanna critic, all becoz the car in question has a proton badge doh.gif y dont u guys say the same, when say.... VW does it????
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typical la
VW have it = WOW
BMW have it = wow,german engineering
proton have it = for what oh, waste only, no use in malaysia...bashings
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post Feb 15 2012, 09:15 PM

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what is 1.6 cfe engine? Campro?
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QUOTE(LLH @ Feb 15 2012, 09:15 PM)
what is 1.6 cfe engine? Campro?
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campro with improved IAFM + CFE
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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Feb 15 2012, 08:58 PM)
typical la
VW have it = WOW
BMW have it = wow,german engineering
proton have it = for what oh, waste only, no use in malaysia...bashings
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haha, when honda gt gearbox problem those ppl din even rage, summore wan defend honda, naza n proton gt minor prob oni rage like thrs no tomoro........mahresians oh mahresians
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QUOTE(dadurtyz @ Feb 15 2012, 09:18 PM)
campro with improved IAFM + CFE
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no iafm, as the air intake has only 1 profile..
but it is equipped with cvvt on the intake side

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QUOTE(mezzi-quan @ Feb 15 2012, 09:20 PM)
haha, when honda gt gearbox problem those ppl din even rage, summore wan defend honda, naza n proton gt minor prob oni rage like thrs no tomoro........mahresians oh mahresians
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japanese car in malaysia so under-spec also not on single one say anything

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QUOTE(anuarnor @ Feb 15 2012, 02:26 PM)
^ Look at page 42 to understand more about CFE

QUOTE(LLH @ Feb 15 2012, 09:15 PM)
what is 1.6 cfe engine? Campro?
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QUOTE(LLH @ Feb 15 2012, 09:15 PM)
what is 1.6 cfe engine? Campro?
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a turbocharged campro engine wif a better CPS system( means it wil perform better than the normal CPS).....

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