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post Jan 12 2012, 12:08 AM

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careful..he might use ur mom to take ur money after this
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QUOTE(squarepilot @ Jan 12 2012, 12:03 AM)
1st of all, just make a report police for further protection

after that, just stay at your new house. end of story

why bother him so much? if you stay in your house, he wont kacau you anymore. can your mom ask you to give your house to your bro? no right?
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his new house not yet have electricity & water , and he and his father is now chase out by the animal .
If i were him , i wont just " leave it and pretend nothing " , bro it's a bout sooo much money and personal dignity . if happen on you , i dont think u will just swallow it to your tummy and tomorrow will be happy .
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post Jan 12 2012, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(Scar_face @ Jan 12 2012, 12:08 AM)
careful..he might use ur mom to take ur money after this
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This is what TS should be worrying about.
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post Jan 12 2012, 12:34 AM

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When people post here, they will tell their side of the story. They will be sure to include everything that favours them, and leave out anything that will make them look bad. Since he isn't here to tell his side of the story, I'll just make up something. smile.gif TS can correct the inaccuracies.

Big bro is described as "jobless". Does this mean he just sit on the couch and watch TV for 15 years? Or he did not get a nine-to-five job, but did other kinds of jobs? There are many people like this. People with stalls in pasar malam. People selling char kuey teow from a stall in a shop.

Perhaps he had lousy results in school and cannot get any job that pays enough? Would little bro respect him more if he got a job as a janitor that pays RM700 a month? He wouldn't describe him as "jobless" but might call him "stupid" instead.

Perhaps big bro got into lots of "projects" and none worked out. Then he had an idea for yet another business, and convinced mom and dad to "invest". Then big bro convince dad to transfer ownership of the house. Maybe he charged it to raise more funds. Who knows. Little brother would be understandably peeved once he finds out that the parents have given all their money to big bro. He wants a share of it.

The new project hasn't failed yet. Little bro is convinced it will, due to big bro's poor track record. He thinks it's just throwing away money. But of course big bro does not agree. He wouldn't embark on it if he thought it wouldn't work. Or perhaps it's just starting to go sour, and big bro blames little bro for all the pessimistic talk. Maybe he thinks little bro has cursed his new biz with all the negative energy.

After festering for a while, this blows up in a big argument. And big bro gets his palls to evict little bro. At least he sent all the belongings to the new house. Not just throw it out the gate. smile.gif

To avoid this problem, I tell my parents to not even try to pass on a big inheritence. They should just spend it all. Go for holidays. Buy stuff. Spend it in anyway. I have only one sibling. We will share their house if we outlive both of them. If they spend all their money and still live for decades, we will take care of them. Neither of us are rich. The holidays will have to be further apart once the money is gone. But we will pay living expenses, medical fees, etc.
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post Jan 12 2012, 12:55 AM

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although ur mum is in denial, she's the one hurting the most for giving birth to such animal

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post Jan 12 2012, 12:58 AM

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post Jan 12 2012, 01:07 AM

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QUOTE(dkk @ Jan 12 2012, 12:34 AM)
When people post here, they will tell their side of the story. They will be sure to include everything that favours them, and leave out anything that will make them look bad. Since he isn't here to tell his side of the story, I'll just make up something. smile.gif TS can correct the inaccuracies.

Big bro is described as "jobless". Does this mean he just sit on the couch and watch TV for 15 years? Or he did not get a nine-to-five job, but did other kinds of jobs? There are many people like this. People with stalls in pasar malam. People selling char kuey teow from a stall in a shop.

Perhaps he had lousy results in school and cannot get any job that pays enough? Would little bro respect him more if he got a job as a janitor that pays RM700 a month? He wouldn't describe him as "jobless" but might call him "stupid" instead.

Perhaps big bro got into lots of "projects" and none worked out. Then he had an idea for yet another business, and convinced mom and dad to "invest". Then big bro convince dad to transfer ownership of the house. Maybe he charged it to raise more funds. Who knows. Little brother would be understandably peeved once he finds out that the parents have given all their money to big bro. He wants a share of it.

The new project hasn't failed yet. Little bro is convinced it will, due to big bro's poor track record. He thinks it's just throwing away money. But of course big bro does not agree. He wouldn't embark on it if he thought it wouldn't work. Or perhaps it's just starting to go sour, and big bro blames little bro for all the pessimistic talk. Maybe he thinks little bro has cursed his new biz with all the negative energy.

After festering for a while, this blows up in a big argument. And big bro gets his palls to evict little bro. At least he sent all the belongings to the new house. Not just throw it out the gate. smile.gif

To avoid this problem, I tell my parents to not even try to pass on a big inheritence. They should just spend it all. Go for holidays. Buy stuff. Spend it in anyway. I have only one sibling. We will share their house if we outlive both of them. If they spend all their money and still live for decades, we will take care of them. Neither of us are rich. The holidays will have to be further apart once the money is gone. But we will pay living expenses, medical fees, etc.
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I think I have to agree on this. Usually everything we post tend to be bias. You do make some point there. You got a very imaginative mind =D creating such a scenario. This, I salute you =D

But I will say, consult a lawyer and see what are your legal options available before taking any action against your brother.
If legal actions cant be taken against him. Then its up to your imagination how you want it to be settle the matter.

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post Jan 12 2012, 01:23 AM

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this story is kinda stupid.
Sry but u have a foolish mother.
Disowned ur brother.

migrate to other state and get a new job and new life.
dun let ur mum or Bro know Whr u stay
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post Jan 12 2012, 02:13 AM

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QUOTE(aarondotcom @ Jan 11 2012, 10:36 PM)
Some of you must be curious that y my mother SAYANG him so much? This was what happened, my mother like to gamble during her young age, when tat animal born, my mother let him pick 4digit number for kuda, so dang dang 1st prize!!!! and again 2nd prize.

when i was born, i didnt bring any "lucky" to her, so tat the reason she like tat animal more than me.
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post Jan 12 2012, 02:30 AM

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QUOTE(Hunakadoo @ Jan 11 2012, 06:36 PM)
"In some point, he conned my parent to sign some legalize document to transfer all my parent assets to him which these all my parent last resource. In total 400k cash + current my parent house(500k)" From TS

I think from what Ts say , the animal has convince his parent to sign everythings document ( for doing business ) .
So even today his father has regret to sign , it's useless already for now to appoint a lawyer & fight back .....
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If I lie to you and convince you to sign document give me all your property, cannot do anything although I lie to you?
Please la don't be dumb.

QUOTE(MissIceRina @ Jan 11 2012, 06:47 PM)

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If TS parent willfully signed the document (which I believe they did, considering how much TS mother trust TS bro), then there is hardly any case.

It's not uncommon for parent to transfer ownership/title to their children when they get old.
Heck, my parent are going to do that soon.

The purpose of this is that in the event they pass away, their assets would not be frozen (gov will freeze it for 3-5 years i think).
Their sons and daughters would have immediate access to it instead (to pay for funeral, medical, etc)
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Lol where the fook u learn all this, why wanna freeze the assets? please dont give wrong advice.
and he already said the brother 'conned' there's no willfully in that.

QUOTE(ray123 @ Jan 11 2012, 06:58 PM)
You can still sue him to get the property back. You just need to convince your parents to go with it. Your lawyer can argue on several grounds: that your father was of "unsound mind" at the time and was not aware of what he was doing. It doesn't matter if every neighbor and their dog knows your dad is perfectly fine, all he needs to do is convince the judge and a doctor.

Secondly, you can have a lawyer draft up a will and have it backdated. This means your father actually has willed everything to you (and/or your mother) before your brother's agreement. Your lawyer have ample grounds to fight, such as your brother is unfit to take care of your parents (does your brother have a criminal record? Is he a declared bankrupt?).

Thirdly, where are your relatives?

Even if such measures might not give you the outcome you wanted, you and your lawyer can very easily "freeze" the assets and tie it up in legal limbo for months if not years. Eventually he would need to come to you to settle it. Make sure you have trustworthy friends/relatives with you when he does.
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Dont give wrong advice please. If neighbor knows he is of sound mind, that is evidence admissible.

QUOTE(MissIceRina @ Jan 11 2012, 07:13 PM)
If TS bro goes by my post argument, there is nothing his parent can do as well.
And also, he would have to be tested by a trained and qualified psychologist. And it's unlike it he would pass unless there is strong reason for him to be mentally "unsound" in the first place.
Besides, this are argument is not a strong evidence 'cos it's circumstantial. Otherwise, everyone would start claiming their are mentally "unsound"

I believe it would be illegally to a lawyer to backdate a will just like that.
At present, they no longer own the property. I.e. Your can't just simply sell something to A and then claim that you already sold it to B earlier.

Their relatives has no right to intervene in their family matter and are just as powerless as us.

TS could try to make it hard for his bro, but remember, his bro can easily just as well make it hard for TS.
This can be seen when TS bro ask 3 people to break down his door.
Who knows what else he is willing to do (he even kicked his parent out)
And aside from the financial cost, it would also break TS mom heart.
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1 more stupidpucuk. LOL not a strong evidence because it is 'circumstantial' go jump down a bridge please. In a crime scene, you found a guy holding a knife with his hands stained with blood and you see another dead guy with stab wounds, you would come to the conclusion that the guy holding the knife is the killer. is that not circumstantial?


TS stop asking for advice in /k. Please go seek a professional. People here all giving wrong advice.
Stop the kiam siap attitude please, all want save money simple come out with own conclusion cause
wanna avoid seeing a professional?

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no point. if he use fire all u have to do is use fire to counter back. mad.gif
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police. they don't give a damn.
pity for your situation. sad.gif
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QUOTE(lucifer401 @ Jan 12 2012, 02:30 AM)
If I lie to you and convince you to sign document give me all your property, cannot do anything although I lie to you?
Please la don't be dumb.
Lol where the fook u learn all this, why wanna freeze the assets? please dont give wrong advice.
and he already said the brother 'conned' there's no willfully in that.
Dont give wrong advice please. If neighbor knows he is of sound mind, that is evidence admissible.
1 more stupidpucuk. LOL not a strong evidence because it is 'circumstantial' go jump down a bridge please. In a crime scene, you found a guy holding a knife with his hands stained with blood and you see another dead guy with stab wounds, you would come to the conclusion that the guy holding the knife is the killer. is that not circumstantial?
TS stop asking for advice in /k. Please go seek a professional. People here all giving wrong advice.
Stop the kiam siap attitude please, all want save money simple come out with own conclusion cause
wanna avoid seeing a professional?
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I'm curious r u a smart person that no 1 con u before? please la, if u in my parent shoe, do u expect ur son who u have been taking care for 30+ yr will do treat u like this? although u know ur son change the house to his name, it is no harm if u still can live in the house, DO U EXPECT UR SON CHASE U OUT OF THE UR HOUSE? You are not born in this kind of family dun simply say "Please la don't be dumb."

I already mentioned in the early post that, I will report police and discuss with my father abut announcing in newspaper. No offense, just I dun think u understand my family situation, normally whatever u read here only happening in the drama, but it is true now, in the beginning I oso cant believe tat animal will do such thing.

U do mentioned that I'm bias, yes i do, i tell u I DUN LIKE TAT ANIMAL right after I came out to work as he disgrace the family. He gain no respect from me, this is the main reason y we always quarrels. He is very pissed because I look down on him.
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Hi TS,

If u don mind u can look for Michael Chong frm MCA. He might able to help u and are ur father is those educated ppl? Sorry for saying this. Bcoz according to Malaysia certain law if u are not understanding the legal document/agreenent or u don't understand wat u sign.. The document can be useless.. But I am not sure how it can work legally.. U can seek frm the experience lawyer fren or frm Michael Chong. hopes this cn help u.. All the best
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QUOTE(MissCollagen @ Jan 12 2012, 10:17 AM)
Hi TS,

If u don mind u can look for Michael Chong frm MCA. He might able to help u and are ur father is those educated ppl? Sorry for saying this. Bcoz according to Malaysia certain law if u are not understanding the legal document/agreenent or u don't understand wat u sign.. The document can be useless.. But I am not sure how it can work legally.. U can seek frm the experience lawyer fren or frm Michael Chong. hopes this cn help u.. All the best
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This~ our law is not easy to let the scammer go~ even the document has been signed, if the signer knows nothing abt it, still can fight in the court~
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post Jan 12 2012, 10:26 AM

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Sorry to hear abt your problem brother. Perhaps get some legal advise then if possible lodge a police report abt it. Worse come to worse, approach MCA or DAP to ask for some advise(mostly legal i suspect) over your issue.

In future, just avoid meeting him altogether to prevent problem. Change your cellphone/contacts/email etc. My family had a relative which back-stabbed us before in a business. Though we won in the court case, we never even spoke since after that.
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I think TS already said multiple times he doesn't really care about the money.
He just wanna disowned his brother and live his life without him any more.

As said by other before, kinda worried when he finished all the money he will
come crawling back to you mom and ask for more money.

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wow, i didn't realize that there are such people in the world, chasing out own siblings and parents out of the house.

god damn, karma will strike him one day.
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QUOTE(MissCollagen @ Jan 12 2012, 10:17 AM)
Hi TS,

If u don mind u can look for Michael Chong frm MCA. He might able to help u and are ur father is those educated ppl? Sorry for saying this. Bcoz according to Malaysia certain law if u are not understanding the legal document/agreenent or u don't understand wat u sign.. The document can be useless.. But I am not sure how it can work legally.. U can seek frm the experience lawyer fren or frm Michael Chong. hopes this cn help u.. All the best
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Actually my wife auntie work in MCA, her auntie will discuss with Michael Chong today. Now my relatives are divided into 2 group. Group A ask me goto report police, another group say dun report police 1st, if i report now, police will look for tat animal, tat animal will come to kaciao me.

Actually I bet my mum know what it stated in the document when she signed those documents, just she tot tat animal is a person who can take care of the rest of the family members. sigh~ this is what happening now. I dun want to force my parent go on court to get back the house, i just want to have my own life.


QUOTE(dfcloud @ Jan 12 2012, 10:28 AM)
I think TS already said multiple times he doesn't really care about the money.
He just wanna disowned his brother and live his life without him any more.

As said by other before, kinda worried when he finished all the money he will
come crawling back to you mom and ask for more money.
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You know me well, yes, i dun really care about the house and money conned, just i want to disowned him, in future anything please dun again use dirty trick to kaciao me. I tot my mother that "now you left nothing in malaysia, so please dun come back, atleast work for few yrs keep some money for urself. And PLEASE!!!! stop answering tat animal call, u got nothing left for him, the next time he beg help from u, it is the time he want ur LIFE!!!".

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