Stiff Rings...Rigid Collars...
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 Jan 8 2012, 11:40 AM, updated 14y ago
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Stiff Rings (Local)...Rigid Collars (Spoon)....
"New Kids on the Block"? Not seem 2b able to get many reviews via Google...nor in most car forums...  Same difference? Anyone has installed them in their cars? Benefits? Pros & Cons? Impressions? Any opinions? Any comments? TQ for sharing...  |
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Jan 8 2012, 11:48 AM
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imitation stuff, cheaper
offers benefits whatever spoon did slightly better handling, can feel the ride is more "rigid"  |
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Jan 8 2012, 01:13 PM
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"Spoon" is well-known brand...and so is the high cost!!:p
Wat users need is 2get same/similar benefits @ affordable prices! Esp for the Man in the Street! To enjoy a better ride... True? So with "Stiff Rings", can we expect such? This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 8 2012, 01:14 PM |
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Jan 8 2012, 01:23 PM
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it just a ring...i dun think the local made one cant perform the same.
here : http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/fea...gnment-kit.html |
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Jan 8 2012, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Jan 8 2012, 01:23 PM) it just a ring...i dun think the local made one cant perform the same. Tks a meg 4link c/w lotsa info & comments, Bro! here : http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/fea...gnment-kit.html  Yup, sounds real good to hv!  Anyone with any points against? Cons? |
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Jan 8 2012, 03:22 PM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Jan 8 2012, 02:25 PM) Tks a meg 4link c/w lotsa info & comments, Bro! so far no cons la...cons just hv to spend few hundreds for the rings loYup, sounds real good to hv! Anyone with any points against? Cons? |
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Jan 8 2012, 03:25 PM
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if u can afford it... get it...
if u cant afford it....save up the money and get it. |
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Jan 8 2012, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Jan 8 2012, 03:50 PM) Tks 4link2, Bro! And Bro mADmAN, tks 4heads up re mod investment!  And no Cons, Bro huakenny? Dat's great...considering not much publicity given abt this mod... A simple yet effective mod 2apply 2our rides! Seriously need 2consider...  |
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Jan 8 2012, 05:20 PM
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Your front will be snappier than before, car is more solid over bumps and etc
Race Tech's CAK is the most affordable ones already for our Proton cars, the rest will have to opt for Stiff Rings which is a little pricier but still worth the investment |
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Jan 8 2012, 05:48 PM
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QUOTE(shinjite @ Jan 8 2012, 05:20 PM) Your front will be snappier than before, car is more solid over bumps and etc Race Tech's CAK is the most affordable ones already for our Proton cars, the rest will have to opt for Stiff Rings which is a little pricier but still worth the investment +1Another positive response! Tks, Bro! Affordabilty wise : 1. Race Tech CAK 2. Stiff Rings 3. Spoon Rigid Collar (most expensive ?) Btw is fitting such an item DIY-able? Or need an experienced mech to put them onto those subframe bolts? Wld b a total disaster if engine dropped!!   Added on January 8, 2012, 9:31 pmLocally, it appears Spoon Rigid Collars are not available for most local car makes/models. Race Tech CAK also not cater to cars owned by the layman. Stiff Ring seems 2b expanding its range for P1 & P2 models. Prices also kinda affordable since such mods are a 1-time thing. As is, for time being... P1/P2 choices are kinda limited. Or is that a wrong perspective? So, does the QC & materials used hv any disadvantage or even a cause for concern of the different products? NB. Juz need 2state here that I'm not, in any way, associated with all the above manufacturers. This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 8 2012, 09:38 PM |
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Jan 8 2012, 11:15 PM
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i dun think normal car owner can DIY unless u r familiar with all this jobs and got those equipment/tools to perform the job
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Jan 9 2012, 07:52 AM
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Yup, and you need to jack the whole car up to do a better job, then go under the car......
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Jan 9 2012, 07:54 AM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Jan 8 2012, 11:15 PM) i dun think normal car owner can DIY unless u r familiar with all this jobs and got those equipment/tools to perform the job OIC. Steps appear so simple & straightforward...Haha! Paiseh...  Main prob is dun hv supplier cum installer @my place! Not like in Klang Valley! Gotta buy & get via courier wan. Then need 2get reliable mech 2install...  If goto car SC, will the procedure void car warranty? |
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Jan 9 2012, 07:56 AM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Jan 9 2012, 07:54 AM) OIC. Steps appear so simple & straightforward...Haha! Paiseh... Yours is a new car? I thought this rigid collar more for older cars?Main prob is dun hv supplier cum installer @my place! Not like in Klang Valley! Gotta buy & get via courier wan. Then need 2get reliable mech 2install... If goto car SC, will the procedure void car warranty? |
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Jan 9 2012, 07:59 AM
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New car or old car also the tolerance gap will be there already one out of factory
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Jan 9 2012, 08:00 AM
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Jan 9 2012, 07:52 AM) Yup, and you need to jack the whole car up to do a better job, then go under the car...... I hv hydraulic jack & axle stands to use.  However, main concern is whether can remove 1 subframe bolt @a time. Any danger of subframe (engine etc) falling? Also how to insert upper "washer" inbetween subframe & car body. Wonder if normal mech guy can do it? Save all  and worry, rite?Added on January 9, 2012, 8:04 am QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Jan 9 2012, 07:56 AM) Yours is a new car? I thought this rigid collar more for older cars? 1 year old only. Thot wanna maintain good geometric config of subframe b4 bolts get out of alignment. Keep it new lo. Then no worries... Added on January 9, 2012, 8:05 am QUOTE(shinjite @ Jan 9 2012, 07:59 AM) New car or old car also the tolerance gap will be there already one out of factory Yup, that's very true. This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 9 2012, 08:05 AM |
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Jan 9 2012, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE(shinjite @ Jan 9 2012, 07:59 AM) New car or old car also the tolerance gap will be there already one out of factory Old car much more mah! Wear and tear, bump up and down loosen some more. I once in a while do the bolt tightening..... |
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Jan 9 2012, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Jan 9 2012, 06:29 PM) Old car much more mah! Wear and tear, bump up and down loosen some more. I once in a while do the bolt tightening..... u can tighten the bolt all u want... it still wont be centered....they give extra clearance in the subframe to help ease assembly...make it faster. the collars are not meant to tighten the subframe... its to make it centered |
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Jan 9 2012, 07:08 PM
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Still better then loose and noisy......
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Jan 9 2012, 08:14 PM
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Jan 9 2012, 07:08 PM) Still better then loose and noisy...... Yup, true...true... However, a small investment (since now much cheaper with local ventures) wld make it more towards the "ideal" geometry, agreed? Btw, read in one of the links abt installation...that wheel alignment needs 2b done after installation?? Izzit a really necessary step? Or juz a precaution? TQ. This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 9 2012, 08:16 PM |
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Jan 10 2012, 07:34 AM
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Depends where and what was removed to do the installation. If having brand new tyres then better check to be safe. If having old tyres, don't do also can.....
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Jan 10 2012, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Jan 10 2012, 07:34 AM) Depends where and what was removed to do the installation. If having brand new tyres then better check to be safe. If having old tyres, don't do also can..... TKs a meg, Bro, 4yr kind advice! ps. Tyres same age as car.  |
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Jan 10 2012, 12:28 PM
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Not necessary but recommended to do wheel alignment after installing (that's for my car
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Jan 10 2012, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE(shinjite @ Jan 10 2012, 12:28 PM) Not necessary but recommended to do wheel alignment after installing (that's for my car TQ very much, Bro! Will keep yr rec in mind... ) |
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Jan 10 2012, 05:13 PM
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honestly after installed the stiff ring on my car. i don't feel any different at all.
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Jan 10 2012, 05:41 PM
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For new car maybe won't feel different. Maybe old cars that have some loose worn parts......
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Jan 10 2012, 06:53 PM
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how much ?
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Jan 10 2012, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE(ultramaman @ Jan 10 2012, 06:53 PM) how much ? Varies fr car to car...depending on no. of bolts@subframe/car body.Added on January 10, 2012, 8:46 pm QUOTE(torreto @ Jan 10 2012, 05:13 PM) honestly after installed the stiff ring on my car. i don't feel any different at all. How new/old is yr car? Feel no fantastic difference in ride can b expected. IMO wld most probably help maintain car subframe geometry for long term gains. This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 10 2012, 08:46 PM |
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Jan 10 2012, 09:54 PM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Jan 10 2012, 08:41 PM) Varies fr car to car...depending on no. of bolts@subframe/car body. proton gen2.Added on January 10, 2012, 8:46 pm How new/old is yr car? Feel no fantastic difference in ride can b expected. IMO wld most probably help maintain car subframe geometry for long term gains. |
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Jan 10 2012, 10:24 PM
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QUOTE(ultramaman @ Jan 10 2012, 09:54 PM) proton gen2. Best ppl 2ask re availability & price wld b Stiff Ring ppl. Try email them : info@stiffring.com Best wishes... This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 10 2012, 10:25 PM |
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Jan 11 2012, 01:36 AM
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So, what do you think bro ? is it worth RM2XX investment for this collar ? or better spend for UR bars ?
Confused here  QUOTE(torreto @ Jan 10 2012, 05:13 PM) honestly after installed the stiff ring on my car. i don't feel any different at all. |
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Jan 11 2012, 07:33 AM
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QUOTE(glitch @ Jan 11 2012, 01:36 AM) So, what do you think bro ? is it worth RM2XX investment for this collar ? or better spend for UR bars ? Best of both worlds? Do BOTH! Confused here UR bars = very visible (ppl can see?) & probably more noticeable benefits. Stiff Rings/Rigid Collars = kinda "invisible" (only yu know?) but long term benefits. Your decision...like everything else in Life! |
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Jan 11 2012, 11:32 AM
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my car will be 2 years old this coming week. Suzuki Swift Sport btw, anyway on the bumpy smart tunnel my car now a lot less of vibration ! stiff ring does the wonder
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Jan 11 2012, 12:13 PM
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QUOTE(torreto @ Jan 11 2012, 11:32 AM) my car will be 2 years old this coming week. Suzuki Swift Sport btw, anyway on the bumpy smart tunnel my car now a lot less of vibration ! stiff ring does the wonder Oh? That's a positive review now compared to yr earlier post... Added on January 11, 2012, 12:14 pmYr ealier post below : QUOTE(torreto @ Jan 10 2012, 05:13 PM) honestly after installed the stiff ring on my car. i don't feel any different at all. This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 11 2012, 12:14 PM |
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Jan 11 2012, 04:12 PM
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Depends on the type of road.......
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Jan 11 2012, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(glitch @ Jan 11 2012, 01:36 AM) So, what do you think bro ? is it worth RM2XX investment for this collar ? or better spend for UR bars ? UR bars and collars are NOT the same thing...Confused here they both offer different benefits to the car and as a thought... UR bars are heavy...collars are light.. the lighter the car the better |
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Jan 11 2012, 04:33 PM
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But meant to help in different ways.....
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Jan 11 2012, 05:34 PM
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Hi Bros!
Fyi I juz got set of "Stiff Rings" (2 pairs for 2 front subframe bolts) for my Saga FL!! Seems other 2 subframe bolts + holes very well designed/fitted & not need these Stiff Rings...  Bought item via Online order/Courier. No dealers in/near my area. Now prob is whether to DIY or find a reliable understanding mech to install... What do yu guys think I shld do? This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 11 2012, 05:37 PM |
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Jan 11 2012, 07:20 PM
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workshop.... the bolts are prollly too tight to remove by hand and might need to use the air gun.
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Jan 11 2012, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jan 11 2012, 07:20 PM) workshop.... the bolts are prollly too tight to remove by hand and might need to use the air gun. Yup, yu're 100% correct!! Tks, Bro! Me tried with socket wrench with 1ft handle but failed 2even budge the bolt!! Haha! Giving up on DIY cos no extension pipe to increase leverage... Bro Chin of Stiff Rings oledi informed re their new Dealer @outskirts near my place. He's contacted Dealer & me will call b4 going...most probably 2moro! Will update after all done....Wish me luck? |
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Jan 11 2012, 10:22 PM
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must ask mech la....DIY very hard
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Jan 11 2012, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Jan 11 2012, 10:22 PM) must ask mech la....DIY very hard Tks 4good advice, Bro! Gonna get it done @wkshop/Dealer rec by Bro Chin of Stiff Rings. Most probably 2moro. |
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Jan 12 2012, 07:48 AM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Jan 11 2012, 05:34 PM) Hi Bros! If the bolts are well fitted, then they would not have manufactured the stiff rings, right?Fyi I juz got set of "Stiff Rings" (2 pairs for 2 front subframe bolts) for my Saga FL!! Seems other 2 subframe bolts + holes very well designed/fitted & not need these Stiff Rings... Bought item via Online order/Courier. No dealers in/near my area. Now prob is whether to DIY or find a reliable understanding mech to install... What do yu guys think I shld do? |
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Jan 12 2012, 08:08 AM
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If there is a gap, no matter how tight the bolts are, it will still move eventually
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Jan 12 2012, 08:37 AM
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Find a good mech and experienced installing these.
If not,the mech also DIY lah..hahahah |
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Jan 12 2012, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Jan 12 2012, 07:48 AM) If the bolts are well fitted, then they would not have manufactured the stiff rings, right? Clarification from Stiff Ring...Quote fr email :"FYI, for New Saga, when the car jack up you will see there is another subframe bolt, but this 2 not required the Stiff Ring because this 2 subframe hole & bolt is quite well designed and there is near no gap in between subframe and bolt. Thus, this not required any Stiff Ring to correct the bolt alignment." So, as is, only 2 front subframe bolts need Stiff Rings. Half Plus points for Proton engineering? Added on January 12, 2012, 8:48 am QUOTE(amir_tengkorak @ Jan 12 2012, 08:37 AM) Find a good mech and experienced installing these. Was gonna try DIY install after step by step instructions fr Bro Chin of Stiff Ring. However after an attempt, found me kenot DIY myself cos insufficient tools! If not,the mech also DIY lah..hahahah Now gonna go2 new Dealer rec by Bro Chin 4install. At least they hv the tools... Haha! And, of course, me no This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 12 2012, 08:50 AM |
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Jan 12 2012, 10:05 AM
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its not hard to DIY provided u got sufficient equipment/tools. and make sure u not fall asleep under the car.haha
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Jan 12 2012, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Jan 12 2012, 10:05 AM) its not hard to DIY provided u got sufficient equipment/tools. and make sure u not fall asleep under the car.haha Bro Chin's step by step instructions on DIYing install sounded very straightforward. However, I had probs cos I dun hv metal pipe extension to give leverage to my box wrench...to loosen & tighten the subframe bolts!! Nvr mind lo...can alwaz get help, rite? Best this way cos no Haha! This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 12 2012, 10:19 AM |
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Jan 12 2012, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Jan 12 2012, 08:43 AM) Clarification from Stiff Ring...Quote fr email : Means for the bolt specified there are no stiff rings for it, then understand that it is well fitted already..... "FYI, for New Saga, when the car jack up you will see there is another subframe bolt, but this 2 not required the Stiff Ring because this 2 subframe hole & bolt is quite well designed and there is near no gap in between subframe and bolt. Thus, this not required any Stiff Ring to correct the bolt alignment." So, as is, only 2 front subframe bolts need Stiff Rings. Half Plus points for Proton engineering? |
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Jan 12 2012, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Jan 12 2012, 10:49 AM) Means for the bolt specified there are no stiff rings for it, then understand that it is well fitted already..... Yup, Bro...appears that way... Btw 1 issue still nagging me @back of mind... One mech I asked 4help advised me NOT to touch those subframe bolts!! His reason? Those bolts (if once loosened) may not fit back tightly & well so kenot stay tight for long! Gave example of BMW...their bolts hv sp glue and each removal needs CHANGE to NEW bolts!!! Told me further that threads of those subframe bolts for local cars kenot tahan unnecessary removal ie wears easily! Any truth in wat he said? Sifus arnd, pls.... TQ! This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 12 2012, 12:31 PM |
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Jan 12 2012, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Jan 12 2012, 12:29 PM) Yup, Bro...appears that way... i removed more than thousand cars....no problemsBtw 1 issue still nagging me @back of mind... One mech I asked 4help advised me NOT to touch those subframe bolts!! His reason? Those bolts (if once loosened) may not fit back tightly & well so kenot stay tight for long! Gave example of BMW...their bolts hv sp glue and each removal needs CHANGE to NEW bolts!!! Told me further that threads of those subframe bolts for local cars kenot tahan unnecessary removal ie wears easily! Any truth in wat he said? Sifus arnd, pls.... TQ! if u r worry...just go back to ur mech after a week to check d bolt if loosen |
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Jan 12 2012, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Jan 12 2012, 12:51 PM) i removed more than thousand cars....no problems Ok, Bro...tks a meg 4re-assurance! Helps lessen my worry alot! if u r worry...just go back to ur mech after a week to check d bolt if loosen Added on January 12, 2012, 4:20 pmHi! Me installed my Stiff Rings liao!! Finally!!  Install'n took less than 15 mins!! Did so @reg SC! UNofficially la! Haha! First impressions? On drive home? VERY significant lack of vibrations felt @ steering wheel even on very uneven & pot-holed roads!! Generally overall lack of vibrations felt in car...phew! Happy me took the "plunge"... Will give more feedback when make another outstation trip soon...CNY? This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 12 2012, 04:20 PM |
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Jan 12 2012, 11:37 PM
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yeah....smart tunnel is the best road to test this collar....
p/s: deym smart tunnel...not 'friendly' for those who use low profile tire + lowered. |
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Jan 13 2012, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE(glitch @ Jan 12 2012, 11:37 PM) yeah....smart tunnel is the best road to test this collar.... Yup, simple mod but shows its worth under worst conditions! p/s: deym smart tunnel...not 'friendly' for those who use low profile tire + lowered. Comes in really "handy" when one needs it most! Moral here : NEVER fear the unknown...AND expect the UNexpected!! |
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Jan 13 2012, 07:23 PM
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QUOTE(glitch @ Jan 12 2012, 11:37 PM) yeah....smart tunnel is the best road to test this collar.... Agree 100% smart tunnel is the best place to test out the stiff ring. At first I don't feel any different at all after installed, until I use the smart tunnel I can feel that it reduce a lot of vibration. bear in mind my car is lowered half finger gap front and 1 finger gap rear with the hardest setting on Tein Super Street Coilovers. So 2 thumbs up for stiff ring p/s: deym smart tunnel...not 'friendly' for those who use low profile tire + lowered. This post has been edited by torreto: Jan 13 2012, 07:24 PM |
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Jan 13 2012, 08:07 PM
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Juz 2share... Pic of set of Stiff Rings for my PS 1.3FL Exec Auto :
 Nice & shiny stuff...haha! My ride needed only Stiff Rings for front subframe bolts. So only 2 pairs...  Above pic shows subframe bolt affixed with lower Stiff Ring. Upper Stiff Ring is in upper hole of subframe...not visible. |
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Jan 13 2012, 08:43 PM
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for this ring...at RM 200+ ....i will not install...too expensive
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Jan 13 2012, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE(muslayer @ Jan 13 2012, 08:43 PM) for this ring...at RM 200+ ....i will not install...too expensive RM200+ only for those which need at least 4 pairs ( 8 pcs )...if me not wrong... Moreover, it's a 1 time payment & install. Also custom made for yr car make & model. This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 13 2012, 09:50 PM |
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Jan 14 2012, 04:33 AM
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QUOTE(muslayer @ Jan 13 2012, 08:43 PM) for this ring...at RM 200+ ....i will not install...too expensive walauweh.....u think stiff ring is expensive at 2xx??how about the ORIGINAL ones? the original product....the original brand......Rigid Collar from Spoon... RM7xx. so stiff ring is considered very cheap already. |
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Jan 14 2012, 07:26 AM
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jan 14 2012, 04:33 AM) walauweh.....u think stiff ring is expensive at 2xx?? Ya lo... Juz kenot understand how ppl can spend lots more for bodykits, spoilers, etc which are juz 2beautify...even add unnecessary weight & xtra clearance probs??how about the ORIGINAL ones? the original product....the original brand......Rigid Collar from Spoon... RM7xx. so stiff ring is considered very cheap already. And they are NOT willing 2spend this RM200+ (or only RM110 for BLMs/FL/FLX) which wld contribute towards one's ride comfort, stability, safety, better control, etc??? Lack of info & understanding?? This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 15 2012, 08:12 AM |
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Jan 15 2012, 09:08 PM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Jan 14 2012, 07:26 AM) Ya lo... Juz kenot understand how ppl can spend lots more for bodykits, spoilers, etc which are juz 2beautify...even add unnecessary weight & xtra clearance probs?? its ok.. i've seen enough "car enthusiast" who does not know a single thing about car maintenance but modify heavily on bodykit and sound system...And they are NOT willing 2spend this RM200+ (or only RM110 for BLMs/FL/FLX) which wld contribute towards one's ride comfort, stability, safety, better control, etc??? Lack of info & understanding?? |
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Jan 15 2012, 09:16 PM
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Jan 15 2012, 09:08 PM) its ok.. i've seen enough "car enthusiast" who does not know a single thing about car maintenance but modify heavily on bodykit and sound system... i started with ICE, then eventually picked up interests in cars as a badly maintained car, hurts a lot in your overall ICE experience |
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Jan 16 2012, 08:30 AM
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There's a kinda perpectual saying...
"Take care of the car AND it'll take care of you!!" So do maintain yr ride well & it'll serve yu well, too! Found it 2b 100% true...in all my years of driving!! NVR had 2leave my ride by roadside at all!! That's why me spent my $$$ on making my ride as "well" & "healthy" as me can afford. As they say, too ... "Beauty is ONLY skin-deep!" See so many cars with bodykits which are cracked, broken, discoloured, etc. Not suitable for our "horrible" roads... ps. Me had nvr washed my all my rides' engine bays! This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 16 2012, 08:35 AM |
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Jan 18 2012, 05:31 PM
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Hi All,
Join our LIKE My Ride Contest in Facebook. Contest Details: http://stiffring.com/contest.html http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.3...85827140&type=1 Thank you. |
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Jan 19 2012, 12:15 PM
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QUOTE(stiffring @ Jan 18 2012, 05:31 PM) Hi All, Happy 2C yu guys finally appearing in car forum! Join our LIKE My Ride Contest in Facebook. Contest Details: http://stiffring.com/contest.html http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.3...85827140&type=1 Thank you. Frankly, as is, very few know of Stiff Rings as alternative for Spoon's Rigid Collars. And esp of same good effects that Stiff Rings can give instead of a much much more expensive item. Moreover many not know Stiff Rings are available for many local makes...  |
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Jan 20 2012, 11:47 PM
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Hi,
Yes, we have plenty of model coming soon including local car brand proton and perodua. For more details about coming soon model, please visit our website: www.stiffring.com/event.html We commit to study & design for each type of car model, making Stiff Ring to perform maximum effect to improved car handling and suspension setup. Thank you for our kind customer support. |
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Jan 22 2012, 07:43 AM
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Will be driving my ride (with Stiff Rings installed) for first time on Hiway...abt 2 x 120+/- Km during CNY.
Will post impressions after CNY Hols. As is, steering appears having a more direct response tho after few days driving arnd city. So, in the meantime, Happy CNY, Everyone!! |
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Jan 22 2012, 11:54 AM
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drive safe bro
btw, this is quite interesting so RM200 for both front and rear nut? where u order it? |
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Jan 22 2012, 12:37 PM
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QUOTE(MjMax15 @ Jan 22 2012, 11:54 AM) drive safe bro Pricing depends on no. of points. 4 pts (8 pcs Stiff Rings) abt RM200+. btw, this is quite interesting so RM200 for both front and rear nut? where u order it? My FL only 2 pts (4 pcs) required so RM110 nia. Installation charges = variable. By reg mech can b as low as RM10!! Normal rates RM20/30. Pls chk out earlier posts here by Stiif Rings ppl for more info or juz Google for Stiff Rings. This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 22 2012, 12:39 PM |
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Jan 22 2012, 01:21 PM
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allright. thanks
i want to reduce the 'queck' 'queck' sound lol |
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Jan 22 2012, 03:25 PM
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QUOTE(MjMax15 @ Jan 22 2012, 01:21 PM) allright. thanks Suggest find out root cause of yr sound prob first...i want to reduce the 'queck' 'queck' sound lol Then only can the solution be correctly applied. Good luck! |
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Jan 24 2012, 08:05 PM
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zeone where shop u install..
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Jan 25 2012, 11:33 AM
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QUOTE(sagacokelat @ Jan 24 2012, 08:05 PM) zeone where shop u install.. Found a friendly mech @fav SC who was helpful enuf 2do install off-record! Got Stiff Rings Dealer nearby but was sick & not wanna open shop... |
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Jan 28 2012, 10:15 PM
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anyone with Myvi installed stiff rings, any feedbacks? I'm planning to redo my alignment, might as well install the stiff rings first so that 1 time finish do the alignment.
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Jan 29 2012, 10:32 AM
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QUOTE(taaron @ Jan 28 2012, 10:15 PM) anyone with Myvi installed stiff rings, any feedbacks? I'm planning to redo my alignment, might as well install the stiff rings first so that 1 time finish do the alignment. Go for it!!Works for all cars/models... Small ONE-TIME investment only! |
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Jan 29 2012, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Jan 29 2012, 10:32 AM) Go for it!! great..i just found out that there is an authorized dealer around my place..i'm going to get it Works for all cars/models... Small ONE-TIME investment only! |
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Jan 29 2012, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE(taaron @ Jan 29 2012, 02:46 PM) great..i just found out that there is an authorized dealer around my place..i'm going to get it Good4yu, Bro!! Wish yu all the very best! As long yu do not xpect miracles, yu'd b happy with the improvement... |
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Jan 30 2012, 12:11 AM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Jan 29 2012, 08:56 PM) Good4yu, Bro!! i have 1 question..i've noticed some ppl installed 2 sets for top and bottom..is the Stiff Ring set (6pcs) for Myvi considered full set? or do I need to get 2 sets to make it complete?Wish yu all the very best! As long yu do not xpect miracles, yu'd b happy with the improvement... |
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Jan 30 2012, 08:39 AM
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QUOTE(taaron @ Jan 30 2012, 12:11 AM) i have 1 question..i've noticed some ppl installed 2 sets for top and bottom..is the Stiff Ring set (6pcs) for Myvi considered full set? or do I need to get 2 sets to make it complete? Pls chk the Installation Leaflet/Instructions that come with the Stiff Rings...got pics/diagrams on locations of subframe bolts & how to insert them. Acc2 the info @website (incl pics), a complete set for MyVi is only 6 pcs. Pls refer here : http://www.stiffring.com/model.html This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 30 2012, 08:42 AM |
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Jan 30 2012, 12:10 PM
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myvi 6 pieces hw much arr??any1 test b4
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Jan 31 2012, 08:23 AM
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QUOTE(bodybuilder @ Jan 30 2012, 12:10 PM) myvi 6 pieces hw much arr??any1 test b4 Me not use MyVi...sorry, Bro... However, feel shld b arnd RM200+/-.... Try emailing Stiff Rings... info@stiffring.com |
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Jan 31 2012, 09:43 AM
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I'll get them in the near future, but I'll have to make sure those rings are installed by someone authorized. Imagine the mechanic unsure on what to do when he tries to figure out what it is
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Jan 31 2012, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE(colinwong89 @ Jan 31 2012, 09:43 AM) I'll get them in the near future, but I'll have to make sure those rings are installed by someone authorized. Imagine the mechanic unsure on what to do when he tries to figure out what it is Try browse their website or send an email to them (ref earlier post) for info re nearest dealer/wkshop. In my case, a first-timer mech cld install w/o prob cos clear instructions c/w pic & diagrams come enclosed with items. No worries. UPDATE @6:24pm : Juz chk-ed their FBk pages....Price for MyVi is RM220 per set. This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 31 2012, 06:25 PM |
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Jan 31 2012, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Jan 31 2012, 01:52 PM) Try browse their website or send an email to them (ref earlier post) for info re nearest dealer/wkshop. Including installation? If it's so then it just jumped my list of priorities In my case, a first-timer mech cld install w/o prob cos clear instructions c/w pic & diagrams come enclosed with items. No worries. UPDATE @6:24pm : Juz chk-ed their FBk pages....Price for MyVi is RM220 per set. BTW zeone what car are you driving?edit: oh seems you have a Saga FL. ditch the question then This post has been edited by colinwong89: Jan 31 2012, 10:59 PM |
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Jan 31 2012, 11:37 PM
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QUOTE(colinwong89 @ Jan 31 2012, 10:57 PM) Including installation? If it's so then it just jumped my list of priorities Nope. Install NOT incl. BTW zeone what car are you driving?edit: oh seems you have a Saga FL. ditch the question then However, charges vary. My friendly mech only asked for RM10 but me felt RM20 more reasonable cos he did install sp'ly for me! Expected charges arnd RM20-30. |
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Feb 1 2012, 12:04 AM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Jan 31 2012, 11:37 PM) Nope. Install NOT incl. Well, mind introducing to your friendly mech and his location? However, charges vary. My friendly mech only asked for RM10 but me felt RM20 more reasonable cos he did install sp'ly for me! Expected charges arnd RM20-30. |
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Feb 1 2012, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE(colinwong89 @ Feb 1 2012, 12:04 AM) Well, mind introducing to your friendly mech and his location? So sorry, Bro... But yu kno la, it's a "personal" thing & the mech is @Proton SC sumore (UNofficially done)!! Fr wat I was told, install shld b max RM30 by most wkshops. Kinda fast simple job nia. Added on February 1, 2012, 4:11 pmps. If in2 DIY, a possible project! I cld not do so cos not hv enuf leverage 2loosen subframe bolt with std socket wrench... This post has been edited by zeone: Feb 1 2012, 04:11 PM |
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Feb 4 2012, 01:23 PM
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bad news..today went to get the stiff rings to be installed on my myvi..however, got problem in centering the subframe chassis hole to the main chassis hole while installing the stiff ring.. the whole piece of subframe chassis needs to be moved to correct the centering for all 4 holes..could only install the stiff rings for 2 holes, then the another 2 holes hard to center it for stiff ring installation..in the end, abandoned the stiff ring upgrade, all removed..
anyone experienced such situation in myvi? can the whole piece of subframe chassis be moved in order to correct the centering of hole for all positiion?? This post has been edited by taaron: Feb 4 2012, 01:24 PM |
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Feb 4 2012, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE(taaron @ Feb 4 2012, 01:23 PM) bad news..today went to get the stiff rings to be installed on my myvi..however, got problem in centering the subframe chassis hole to the main chassis hole while installing the stiff ring.. the whole piece of subframe chassis needs to be moved to correct the centering for all 4 holes..could only install the stiff rings for 2 holes, then the another 2 holes hard to center it for stiff ring installation..in the end, abandoned the stiff ring upgrade, all removed.. So to say your subframe has been misaligned from the factoryanyone experienced such situation in myvi? can the whole piece of subframe chassis be moved in order to correct the centering of hole for all positiion?? |
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Feb 4 2012, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Feb 4 2012, 02:13 PM) So to say your subframe has been misaligned from the factory any advice what should be done? do you think it is possible to realign the whole piece of subframe? I really want to try out the stiff rings..  |
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Feb 4 2012, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE(taaron @ Feb 4 2012, 05:45 PM) any advice what should be done? do you think it is possible to realign the whole piece of subframe? I really want to try out the stiff rings.. Sorry 2hear re yr subframe so badly misaligned... Somehow feel, if all points were properly fitted b4 try install Stiff Rings, mayb NOT tighten ALL points until ALL bolts & Stiff Rings are in place FIRST. Then only...tighten each bolt bit by bit in diagonal sequence while checking proper seating of Stiff Rings. Repeat till ALL bolts done. Wish yu all the very best!! |
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Feb 4 2012, 10:17 PM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Feb 4 2012, 09:29 PM) Sorry 2hear re yr subframe so badly misaligned... I think they have tried loosen all bolts with stiff rings on it, but the subframe is too stubborn cant be moved to do the centering..Somehow feel, if all points were properly fitted b4 try install Stiff Rings, mayb NOT tighten ALL points until ALL bolts & Stiff Rings are in place FIRST. Then only...tighten each bolt bit by bit in diagonal sequence while checking proper seating of Stiff Rings. Repeat till ALL bolts done. Wish yu all the very best!! when u meant to tighten each bolt bit by bit in diagonal sequence, do u mean tighten every bolt in Left,Right,Left,Right (X pattern, similar to tightening rims lug nuts method) sequence?? |
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Feb 5 2012, 09:30 AM
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so, the advantage of stiff rings is better handling?
may i ask how do u guys measure it? e.g. during turning? i don't see how it'lll improve turning, thought it's already pre-set. sorry i'm noob |
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Feb 5 2012, 12:25 PM
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QUOTE(taaron @ Feb 4 2012, 10:17 PM) I think they have tried loosen all bolts with stiff rings on it, but the subframe is too stubborn cant be moved to do the centering.. your best bet is to contact stiffrings themselveswhen u meant to tighten each bolt bit by bit in diagonal sequence, do u mean tighten every bolt in Left,Right,Left,Right (X pattern, similar to tightening rims lug nuts method) sequence?? |
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QUOTE(bladekiller @ Feb 5 2012, 09:30 AM) so, the advantage of stiff rings is better handling? It reduces/eliminates freeplay between the subframe and and the chassis, therefore it can theoretically result in better steering response and less lateral movement of the suspension arms.may i ask how do u guys measure it? e.g. during turning? i don't see how it'lll improve turning, thought it's already pre-set. sorry i'm noob |
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Feb 5 2012, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE(taaron @ Feb 4 2012, 10:17 PM) I think they have tried loosen all bolts with stiff rings on it, but the subframe is too stubborn cant be moved to do the centering.. Yup. when u meant to tighten each bolt bit by bit in diagonal sequence, do u mean tighten every bolt in Left,Right,Left,Right (X pattern, similar to tightening rims lug nuts method) sequence?? Feel the subframe alignment cld not b so far out if it was ok b4 trying 2install Stiff Rings. Logic, rite? Anyway, Probably best bet is to follow advice given by ThunderGod_Cid as below: QUOTE(ThunderGod_Cid @ Feb 5 2012, 12:25 PM) your best bet is to contact stiffrings themselves Added on February 5, 2012, 2:39 pmAnd to Bro bladekiller... Yup, Bro dares is correct! Steering response is significantly improved. Even more so in an older car, where there's more wear & tear. This post has been edited by zeone: Feb 5 2012, 02:41 PM |
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Feb 5 2012, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Feb 5 2012, 02:34 PM) Yup. So based on the above, is it safe to say that new cars/cars with good steering response will not need stuff rings?Feel the subframe alignment cld not b so far out if it was ok b4 trying 2install Stiff Rings. Logic, rite? Anyway, Probably best bet is to follow advice given by ThunderGod_Cid as below: Added on February 5, 2012, 2:39 pmAnd to Bro bladekiller... Yup, Bro dares is correct! Steering response is significantly improved. Even more so in an older car, where there's more wear & tear. |
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Feb 5 2012, 08:29 PM
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QUOTE(bladekiller @ Feb 5 2012, 06:12 PM) So based on the above, is it safe to say that new cars/cars with good steering response will not need stuff rings? Nope. Even brand new cars stand to gain from installing Stiff Rings... Fyi my car was only abt 8 mths old when I installed mine. And the difference in feel esp @steering wheel was immediate & of significance. At installation time, the gap in the subframe bolt holes cld be seen! And that gap was filled up by the Stiff Rings! Juz imagine the forces at play with that kind of gap...when the car is in motion? To me, it's a small investment... Not like a bodykit which is yelling at everyone else on the road! Stiff Rings are small, not seen BUT felt... No one knows except the car owner... Added on February 5, 2012, 8:36 pmps. A good example of how much the subframe bolts & relative holes in the bodyshell could be so MISaligned is that of Bro Taaron's case. If the subframe holes are well-aligned to fit the holes in the body, then putting in the Stiff Rings wld hv been a breeze! With even spacing in the holes for the bolts? Kinda centralised? Correct? However, it's so out of alignment that it was practically impossible to juz directly slot in the Stiff Rings to bolt them together!! The SPACE just wasn't there!! This post has been edited by zeone: Feb 5 2012, 08:38 PM |
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Feb 6 2012, 12:18 PM
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Hi all,
Kindly contact Chin 012-670 5167 we will help you to solve this issue. You can come over to us and install at our panel installer in Cheras. Fyi, some Myvi subframe is really badly misalign but not to worry, we will help you solve it. Further enquiries, you can contact us via info@stiffring.com Thank you, Stiff Ring |
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QUOTE(stiffring @ Feb 6 2012, 12:18 PM) Hi all, Hi Stiff Ring,Kindly contact Chin 012-670 5167 we will help you to solve this issue. You can come over to us and install at our panel installer in Cheras. Fyi, some Myvi subframe is really badly misalign but not to worry, we will help you solve it. Further enquiries, you can contact us via info@stiffring.com Thank you, Stiff Ring My location is in Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, therefore I could not visit you and your panel installer in Cheras. There's only 1 authorised dealer (Derek) over here which he had assessed my subframe to be misaligned and unable to progress further on the installation. Anyone able to help out around my location? |
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Feb 6 2012, 02:49 PM
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QUOTE(taaron @ Feb 6 2012, 01:24 PM) Hi Stiff Ring, Hi, we have contact the mention dealer and they will get back to you again after they try another way to install at their other Myvi.My location is in Kota Kinabalu, Sabah, therefore I could not visit you and your panel installer in Cheras. There's only 1 authorised dealer (Derek) over here which he had assessed my subframe to be misaligned and unable to progress further on the installation. Anyone able to help out around my location? We also replied you in email, thank you. Stiff Ring |
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Feb 6 2012, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE(stiffring @ Feb 6 2012, 02:49 PM) Hi, we have contact the mention dealer and they will get back to you again after they try another way to install at their other Myvi. Hi Stiff Ring....We also replied you in email, thank you. Stiff Ring Tks a meg for yr responses here re Bro Taaron's case! Am happy to note that yu guys are keeping an eye to posts here. It's the way2go to ensure all prospective & current customers feel that yu guys do really care abt their decisions to install yr products... (Like Mr Chin did for me....rber the Alor Star guy?) That's the main reason this thread was started...to provide a place for users to get other users' views & reviews. AND to provide a neutral platform for Stiff Ring to respond to users problems. Keep up the good work, guys! |
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Feb 6 2012, 11:43 PM
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Thanks for following up on my problem
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Feb 7 2012, 09:05 AM
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taaron,
ur myvi got bang before o not? othwerwise it should be fine to install. if really misalign, then have to pull it back the chassis in order to install back the subframe with stiff ring |
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Feb 7 2012, 04:03 PM
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Hi, you are welcome guys.
Customer satisfaction is our priority. We are happy to help. FYI, promotion for some Proton Model is now started. Check out www.stiffring.com/event.html or our facebook http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stiff-Ring/275332785827140 Thank you Stiff Ring |
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Feb 7 2012, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Feb 7 2012, 09:05 AM) taaron, got bang b4, but hit dog only (bumper area) and also a very slight knock on front bonnet which is not considered significant, both different occasion.. based on the installer, he mentioned that the stiff ring could be installed if the subframe can be moved. Is the subframe movable?ur myvi got bang before o not? othwerwise it should be fine to install. if really misalign, then have to pull it back the chassis in order to install back the subframe with stiff ring This post has been edited by taaron: Feb 7 2012, 07:59 PM |
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Feb 8 2012, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE(taaron @ Feb 7 2012, 07:58 PM) got bang b4, but hit dog only (bumper area) and also a very slight knock on front bonnet which is not considered significant, both different occasion.. based on the installer, he mentioned that the stiff ring could be installed if the subframe can be moved. Is the subframe movable? Since Stiff Ring ppl has oledi responded to yr prob...as below:QUOTE(stiffring @ Feb 6 2012, 02:49 PM) Hi, we have contact the mention dealer and they will get back to you again after they try another way to install at their other Myvi. Best solution 4a good conclusion to yr prob is to go back to the same dealer. Do give them a call first 2confirm they oledi hv the solution tho. We also replied you in email, thank you. Stiff Ring Best wishes! This post has been edited by zeone: Feb 8 2012, 10:56 AM |
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Feb 8 2012, 11:23 AM
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minimal move is not problem just ot realign back the subframe bolt location.... so far didnt see any problems with myvi
with n without stiff ring, the freeplay is very minimal mm only.....a better workshop or tyre shop should be able to do this |
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Feb 8 2012, 12:18 PM
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i would like to try with kancil but i guess its still under R&D....
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Feb 8 2012, 02:57 PM
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QUOTE(g3n0c|d3 @ Feb 8 2012, 12:18 PM) i would like to try with kancil but i guess its still under R&D.... I remember reading somewhere on Stiff Ring's FB that Kancils aren't supported as they do not use the conventional 'subframe' design. |
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Feb 9 2012, 09:59 AM
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Hi, yes Kancil/Mira, Kenari/Move, Kelisa is not applicable for this concept.
Check out our promotion for Proton models !! Hurry up !! While stock last !! http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=378...&type=1&theater Thank you, Stiff Ring Added on February 11, 2012, 5:35 pmHi, Please see our Proton Model Promotion !! Proton Model Promotion Thank you, Stiff Ring This post has been edited by stiffring: Feb 11 2012, 05:35 PM |
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Feb 12 2012, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE(taaron @ Feb 6 2012, 11:43 PM) Thanks for following up on my problem Hi Bro...Any updates/progress in yr case? Sincerely hope all well, solved & enjoying installation now... |
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Feb 13 2012, 12:59 AM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Feb 12 2012, 06:17 PM) Hi Bro... currently still waiting for them to contact me, no news at the moment.Any updates/progress in yr case? Sincerely hope all well, solved & enjoying installation now... |
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Feb 13 2012, 12:31 PM
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QUOTE(taaron @ Feb 13 2012, 12:59 AM) currently still waiting for them to contact me, no news at the moment. which shop do the installation o.....lolz |
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Feb 13 2012, 10:35 PM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Feb 13 2012, 12:31 PM) which shop do the installation o.....lolz there's only an authorized dealer for Stiff Ring in KK, so shouldn't be difficult to figure out..hehe..bro, are you up to the task for installing the stiff rings for me?  the dealer told me that it would be better if someone can help to do slight realignment on my subframe chassis and kaotim the installation. can help me ka bos? |
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Feb 14 2012, 09:24 AM
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QUOTE(taaron @ Feb 13 2012, 10:35 PM) there's only an authorized dealer for Stiff Ring in KK, so shouldn't be difficult to figure out..hehe..bro, are you up to the task for installing the stiff rings for me? hmm.....i will let u know...coz currently quite bz n got this SKM exam this week.... will let u know the dealer told me that it would be better if someone can help to do slight realignment on my subframe chassis and kaotim the installation. can help me ka bos? takkan kk dealer cant fix? lolz....is there any other myvi fitted yet? |
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Feb 14 2012, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Feb 14 2012, 09:24 AM) hmm.....i will let u know...coz currently quite bz n got this SKM exam this week.... will let u know no problem with that as i'm not urgent to get it done..takkan kk dealer cant fix? lolz....is there any other myvi fitted yet? as per the KK dealer, he is going to fit the stiff rings on another myvi, after that he will let me know the outcome.. |
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Feb 14 2012, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE(taaron @ Feb 14 2012, 07:01 PM) no problem with that as i'm not urgent to get it done.. find me next week should be ok....if they still cant fix it for you..... my man should be able to fix it without any problems as per the KK dealer, he is going to fit the stiff rings on another myvi, after that he will let me know the outcome.. |
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Feb 15 2012, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Feb 14 2012, 07:14 PM) find me next week should be ok....if they still cant fix it for you..... my man should be able to fix it without any problems Wow! Bro huakenny...yu provide "overseas" service? Or got KK rep? |
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Feb 15 2012, 10:44 PM
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I got workshop at kk
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Feb 16 2012, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Feb 15 2012, 10:44 PM) I got workshop at kk If me were Bro Taaron, I'd juz go straight there, not need 2wait anymore!! Added on February 16, 2012, 10:06 am QUOTE(taaron @ Feb 14 2012, 07:01 PM) no problem with that as i'm not urgent to get it done.. Why not go see Bro huakenny's ppl also in KK? Better difference, rite?as per the KK dealer, he is going to fit the stiff rings on another myvi, after that he will let me know the outcome.. If yu kno wat I mean... This post has been edited by zeone: Feb 16 2012, 10:06 AM |
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Feb 16 2012, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Feb 16 2012, 10:04 AM) If me were Bro Taaron, I'd juz go straight there, not need 2wait anymore!! Added on February 16, 2012, 10:06 am Why not go see Bro huakenny's ppl also in KK? Better difference, rite? If yu kno wat I mean... taaron should met me before wit others if x mistaken |
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Feb 16 2012, 08:54 PM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Feb 16 2012, 10:04 AM) If me were Bro Taaron, I'd juz go straight there, not need 2wait anymore!! Added on February 16, 2012, 10:06 am Why not go see Bro huakenny's ppl also in KK? Better difference, rite? If yu kno wat I mean... QUOTE(huakenny @ Feb 16 2012, 07:11 PM) nola.....better sms me before come....later full then i veli paiseh edi cant check d car yea, have visited u last time for sideskirts and door panel.. before i go to ur place for the stiff ring installation, i'll ask the dealer first what's the status as he not yet update me for a long time, the rings still with him now..will sms u for the arrangement at a later time, now quite busy..taaron should met me before wit others if x mistaken |
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Feb 17 2012, 08:00 AM
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QUOTE(taaron @ Feb 16 2012, 08:54 PM) hehe, sure i'll go visit him as he has assured me installation no problem.. Understood, Bro!yea, have visited u last time for sideskirts and door panel.. before i go to ur place for the stiff ring installation, i'll ask the dealer first what's the status as he not yet update me for a long time, the rings still with him now..will sms u for the arrangement at a later time, now quite busy.. And yup, YOU are the PAYMASTER...must nvr 4get that! Haha! |
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Feb 17 2012, 10:25 AM
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hey stiffring / madman / shinjite
been eyeing here for awhile no doubt i think tis is a very good small little product but which can increase alot of potential in the car. but there's a minor thing i see here. i could be wrong but pls share with me ya. pls understand i do not intend to bash tis product but maybe refine it better to Version2 i m seeing most of the rings is only implementation is only 1 sided n not 2 sided. picture pinjam from EA / ZTH get wat i mean one side only? even for the ring which connect inbetween the crossmember n the subframe??  i think its best fit double sided between the crossmember n subframe like below  not sure if the TS shared this video; but wanna help promote this collar too for those who have installed tis, TS, madman n shinjite; pls share with me on the collar ring which connects inbetween the crossmember n subframe is one sided or 2 sided?? tq btw; any of tis product available for ford focus? This post has been edited by moon*: Feb 17 2012, 10:26 AM |
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Feb 17 2012, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE(moon* @ Feb 17 2012, 10:25 AM) hey stiffring / madman / shinjite Hi...been eyeing here for awhile i m seeing most of the rings is only implementation is only 1 sided n not 2 sided. ...get wat i mean one side only? even for the ring which connect inbetween the crossmember n the subframe?? i think its best fit double sided between the crossmember n subframe like below not sure if the TS shared this video; but wanna help promote this collar too for those who have installed tis, TS, madman n shinjite; pls share with me on the collar ring which connects inbetween the crossmember n subframe is one sided or 2 sided?? tq Firstly tks a meg 4yr contributions/info re this mod... Juz2share...feel the collar ring which connects inbetween the crossmember n subframe is one sided or 2-sided wld depend on how the bolt is bolted onto the chassis. AFAIK, for Saga BLM/FL, that upper collar ring kenot b 2-sided cos the bolt is bolted DIRECTLY onto the Chassis body ie NO gap 2b filled up. Dunno abt other makes/models tho. Over to yu, Stiff Ring... |
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Feb 17 2012, 07:42 PM
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Hi all,
Sorry for the late reply. Clarification: The picture shown by member moon is not our product. Yes, we develop based on each car model for upper & bottom neck Stiff Ring design. The upper neck is use to sit into car chassis. The bottom neck is use to sit into subframe/crossmember bolt hole. Some of the car model do not have the upper neck due to no space on chassis bolt hole. In this case, in order to maximize the effectiveness, we develop for the upper Stiff Ring with the neck is facing down and sit into the subframe bolt hole. Which means, upper Stiff Ring neck facing down, bottom Stiff Ring neck facing up. Both neck sit into subframe bolt hole. Thus, maximize the effectiveness of prevent subframe from moving. More info: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=387...&type=1&theater http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stiff-Ring/275332785827140 http://www.stiffring.com Hopefully we could clear your doubts. Thank you, Stiff Ring |
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Feb 17 2012, 07:51 PM
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Feb 17 2012, 08:55 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 17 2012, 07:51 PM) Hi,We have a offer for Proton Iswara/Saga LMST for being reference. Kindly contact us via info@stiffring.com for more info. Offer is first come first serve, we only require 1 car. Thank you, Stiff Ring |
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Feb 17 2012, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE(stiffring @ Feb 17 2012, 08:55 PM) Hi, email sent.We have a offer for Proton Iswara/Saga LMST for being reference. Kindly contact us via info@stiffring.com for more info. Offer is first come first serve, we only require 1 car. Thank you, Stiff Ring |
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Feb 18 2012, 06:37 AM
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I dont get it ! where were the technical talk is here ? seems like a cheap publicity/promoting post .
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Feb 18 2012, 06:39 AM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 17 2012, 07:51 PM) saga iswara where got subframe oh ? |
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Feb 18 2012, 11:11 AM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 17 2012, 08:58 PM) email sent. Hi,We have replied your email. Hope hearing from you soon. Thank you, Stiff Ring Added on February 18, 2012, 11:15 am QUOTE(sinister_sid @ Feb 18 2012, 06:39 AM) saga iswara where got subframe oh ? Hi,Subframe/Crossmember Some newer car model use subframe. Some older car model use crossmember. Thank you, Stiff Ring This post has been edited by stiffring: Feb 18 2012, 11:15 AM |
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Feb 18 2012, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE(stiffring @ Feb 17 2012, 07:42 PM) Hi all, hi stiffring,Sorry for the late reply. Clarification: The picture shown by member moon is not our product. Yes, we develop based on each car model for upper & bottom neck Stiff Ring design. The upper neck is use to sit into car chassis. The bottom neck is use to sit into subframe/crossmember bolt hole. Some of the car model do not have the upper neck due to no space on chassis bolt hole. In this case, in order to maximize the effectiveness, we develop for the upper Stiff Ring with the neck is facing down and sit into the subframe bolt hole. Which means, upper Stiff Ring neck facing down, bottom Stiff Ring neck facing up. Both neck sit into subframe bolt hole. Thus, maximize the effectiveness of prevent subframe from moving. More info: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=387...&type=1&theater http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stiff-Ring/275332785827140 http://www.stiffring.com Hopefully we could clear your doubts. Thank you, Stiff Ring thanks for your explanation. any available rings for ford focus mk2.5?? do pm me n pricing?? tq |
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Feb 18 2012, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE(moon* @ Feb 18 2012, 01:39 PM) hi stiffring, Hi,thanks for your explanation. any available rings for ford focus mk2.5?? do pm me n pricing?? tq We do not have this model at the moment. You might go for customization option. Contact us via info@stiffring.com for process and pricing. Thank you, Stiff Ring |
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Feb 24 2012, 07:10 PM
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any updates TS?
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Feb 25 2012, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Feb 24 2012, 07:10 PM) any updates TS? Bro Taaron probably has yet 2try re-fitting to his ride...However, Stiff Rings ppl are coming out with more support for more car makes/models. Maybe with more cars being fitted with Stiff Rings soon, there wld be more to discuss... This post has been edited by zeone: Feb 25 2012, 08:53 PM |
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Feb 27 2012, 08:08 PM
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how crossmember alignment using stiff ring can improve handling??.. crossmember does not link/interfere with any suspension part of the car...
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Feb 27 2012, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Feb 27 2012, 08:08 PM) how crossmember alignment using stiff ring can improve handling??.. crossmember does not link/interfere with any suspension part of the car... Hi...For more info & clarification, it's easier 4yu 2get from their sites : http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=387...&type=1&theater http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stiff-Ring/275332785827140 http://www.stiffring.com Sincerely hope yu can find the answers there... |
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Feb 28 2012, 01:11 AM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Feb 27 2012, 11:17 PM) Hi... your links explain nothing.For more info & clarification, it's easier 4yu 2get from their sites : http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=387...&type=1&theater http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stiff-Ring/275332785827140 http://www.stiffring.com Sincerely hope yu can find the answers there... |
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Feb 28 2012, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 28 2012, 01:11 AM) your links explain nothing. Oh? If not wrong, there is even an animation vid on how Stiff Rings help...in mass production vehicles. Or similarly, pls Google for Rigid Collars by Spoon for videos of similar nature. For a more direct approach, perhaps yu can try email yr queries to : info@stiffring.com Or even call Chin @ 012-670 5167 for a more personal communication? Best wishes & Good Luck! ps. Juz wanna make it very clear that me hv nothing to do with Stiff Rings except as a satisfied customer... This post has been edited by zeone: Feb 28 2012, 12:08 PM |
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Feb 28 2012, 12:30 PM
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» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « ok lol |
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Feb 28 2012, 12:31 PM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Feb 28 2012, 12:06 PM) Oh? Hi the_catacombs was enquiring about how stiff rings in crossmember can improve handling , we all know stiff rings are fitted in subframe ... but crossmember is different ... hope this help u understand whats going on If not wrong, there is even an animation vid on how Stiff Rings help...in mass production vehicles. Or similarly, pls Google for Rigid Collars by Spoon for videos of similar nature. For a more direct approach, perhaps yu can try email yr queries to : info@stiffring.com Or even call Chin @ 012-670 5167 for a more personal communication? Best wishes & Good Luck! ps. Juz wanna make it very clear that me hv nothing to do with Stiff Rings except as a satisfied customer... |
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Feb 28 2012, 12:34 PM
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QUOTE(Peekab0o @ Feb 28 2012, 12:31 PM) Hi the_catacombs was enquiring about how stiff rings in crossmember can improve handling , we all know stiff rings are fitted in subframe ... but crossmember is different ... hope this help u understand whats going on yes i would like to know too stiff ring/mr chin any comments just to clear our doubts? |
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Feb 28 2012, 03:03 PM
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QUOTE(Peekab0o @ Feb 28 2012, 12:31 PM) Hi the_catacombs was enquiring about how stiff rings in crossmember can improve handling , we all know stiff rings are fitted in subframe ... but crossmember is different ... hope this help u understand whats going on OIC...ok... Me not know/realise the diff there...paiseh... Sincere apologies, Bro... Added on February 28, 2012, 3:05 pm QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Feb 28 2012, 12:34 PM) yes i would like to know too Sincerely hope Mr Chin/Stiff Ring ppl do come in here, read yr posts soon & can kindly clarify.... stiff ring/mr chin any comments just to clear our doubts? This post has been edited by zeone: Feb 28 2012, 03:06 PM |
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Mar 1 2012, 11:20 AM
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Hi all,
Sorry for the late respond. For more efficient communication, contact us via info@stiffring.com / our facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stiff-Ring/275332785827140 FYI, Crossmember/Subframe at some points is used to support the car engine/transmission/steering rack and it's also used to hold and give support to the car suspension setup. It's tighten directly to the car chassis to suppose maintain the car geometry setup. The imperfect is happen in this situation where the crossmember/subframe is able to move and not perfectly align to the car chassis due to the big bolt hole. A small position shift occur on the car crossmember/subframe during a stress situation will cause a big compromise on the suspension setup. Thus, eliminating this problem will helps on the car handling. Hope this helps. Thank you, Stiff Ring www.stiffring.com |
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Mar 1 2012, 11:53 AM
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QUOTE(stiffring @ Mar 1 2012, 11:20 AM) Hi all, subframe yes, how about specifically cross member where it is supposedly bolted tight and supposedly would not move?Sorry for the late respond. For more efficient communication, contact us via info@stiffring.com / our facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stiff-Ring/275332785827140 FYI, Crossmember/Subframe at some points is used to support the car engine/transmission/steering rack and it's also used to hold and give support to the car suspension setup. It's tighten directly to the car chassis to suppose maintain the car geometry setup. The imperfect is happen in this situation where the crossmember/subframe is able to move and not perfectly align to the car chassis due to the big bolt hole. A small position shift occur on the car crossmember/subframe during a stress situation will cause a big compromise on the suspension setup. Thus, eliminating this problem will helps on the car handling. Hope this helps. Thank you, Stiff Ring www.stiffring.com |
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Mar 1 2012, 12:01 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 1 2012, 11:53 AM) subframe yes, how about specifically cross member where it is supposedly bolted tight and supposedly would not move? if the subframe and the bolt totally no gap, then there is 100% no movement....if the bolt n subframe got minimal gap, then there is where u need to instal stiff ring to seal d gap in betweencorrect me if im wrong This post has been edited by huakenny: Mar 1 2012, 12:01 PM |
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Mar 1 2012, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Mar 1 2012, 12:01 PM) if the subframe and the bolt totally no gap, then there is 100% no movement....if the bolt n subframe got minimal gap, then there is where u need to instal stiff ring to seal d gap in between that is what we can understand, what about cross members where supposedly there isnt any gap for movement? i did noticed that the holes are bigger than the screw itself though, that consider gap? though that is within the screw position, not so much gap between the cross member and the main chassiscorrect me if im wrong |
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Mar 1 2012, 12:19 PM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Mar 1 2012, 12:01 PM) if the subframe and the bolt totally no gap, then there is 100% no movement....if the bolt n subframe got minimal gap, then there is where u need to instal stiff ring to seal d gap in between Please.. i did mention in my earlier replies... CrossMember and Subframe are totally 2 different things... please understand the latest up-to-date discussion here tqvm .correct me if im wrong |
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Mar 1 2012, 12:25 PM
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QUOTE(Peekab0o @ Mar 1 2012, 12:19 PM) Please.. i did mention in my earlier replies... CrossMember and Subframe are totally 2 different things... please understand the latest up-to-date discussion here tqvm . show photos here la to make things clear bro. alot of ppl not sure which is subframe and crossmember |
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Mar 1 2012, 12:27 PM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Mar 1 2012, 12:25 PM) show photos here la to make things clear bro. alot of ppl not sure which is subframe and crossmember http://www.google.com.my/search?q=car+cros...zL8nmrAex_bitDQthis is what old cars (like our iswara) has. while newer cars: http://www.google.com.my/search?q=car+cros...iw=1280&bih=679 we all on same page now? |
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Mar 1 2012, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 1 2012, 12:27 PM) http://www.google.com.my/search?q=car+cros...zL8nmrAex_bitDQ Your fast... this is what old cars (like our iswara) has. while newer cars: http://www.google.com.my/search?q=car+cros...iw=1280&bih=679 we all on same page now? Btw doing the rings later ? |
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Mar 1 2012, 12:35 PM
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QUOTE(Peekab0o @ Mar 1 2012, 12:29 PM) Your fast... stiff ring dude havent contacted me le, not sure if the new bolt fabrication/production takes long or something, or maybe still headaching how to make the cross member being effective with stiff ring installed? (wouldn't want a dissatisfied customer now do we? Btw doing the rings later ? ) |
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Mar 1 2012, 12:37 PM
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the subframe should be seen in some cars like myvi, while crossmember is the thing in kancil? not really go n look onto it...my shops got alot
crossmember got gap o not, i hv to really dismantle one and check if got time later This post has been edited by huakenny: Mar 1 2012, 12:39 PM |
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Mar 1 2012, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Mar 1 2012, 12:37 PM) the subframe should be seen in most modern cars, while crossmember is the thing in kancil? not really go n look onto it...my shops got alot in general, yeah, subframe for new cars, crossmember for old/legacy cars.crossmember got gap o not, i hv to really dismantle one and check if got time later and from what i can see la, no gap wo. |
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Mar 1 2012, 12:40 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 1 2012, 12:39 PM) in general, yeah, subframe for new cars, crossmember for old/legacy cars. i try to snap some photos la when my men got dismantle later and from what i can see la, no gap wo. |
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Mar 1 2012, 12:50 PM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Mar 1 2012, 12:40 PM) i try to snap some photos la when my men got dismantle later thanks broAdded on March 1, 2012, 6:03 pm LOL i just called chin from stiff rings and he said 3-4 weeks. so confirmed that we wont be seeing stiff rings in action at dato sagor lo  This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Mar 1 2012, 06:03 PM |
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Mar 3 2012, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Mar 1 2012, 12:50 PM) thanks bro 3-4 weeks for...custom production?Added on March 1, 2012, 6:03 pm LOL i just called chin from stiff rings and he said 3-4 weeks. so confirmed that we wont be seeing stiff rings in action at dato sagor lo Or...? |
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Mar 3 2012, 01:26 PM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Mar 3 2012, 09:08 AM) 3-4 weeks for...custom production? mine is custom since stiff ring never had proton iswara done before Or...? |
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Mar 5 2012, 11:43 AM
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Hi guys,
Stiff Rings products now available at Kota Kinabalu, SABAH anyone need to buy or install but cant find the pro, please contact me. im located at kk,sabah |
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Mar 7 2012, 10:49 AM
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Hi all,
Stiff Ring Sponsor 4 Cars in Dato Sagor Track 7AM-3.30PM Sunday 11/03/2012 Event info: http://www.facebook.com/events/304200719646519/ More info: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stiff-Ring/275332785827140 See you there... Thank you, Stiff Ring |
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Mar 7 2012, 10:53 AM
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QUOTE(stiffring @ Mar 7 2012, 10:49 AM) Hi all, i cant have stiff ring during the event Stiff Ring Sponsor 4 Cars in Dato Sagor Track 7AM-3.30PM Sunday 11/03/2012 Event info: http://www.facebook.com/events/304200719646519/ More info: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stiff-Ring/275332785827140 See you there... Thank you, Stiff Ring /cryriversmuch |
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Mar 9 2012, 05:56 PM
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Dear all members,
Enjoy 20% EXCLUSIVE DISCOUNT for any purchase at Litar Dato Sagor on Sunday !! (Term & Condition apply. Not valid for promotion items) www.stiffring.com/model.html Stiff Ring Added on March 13, 2012, 10:31 amSTIFF RING WON THE RACES IN DATO SAGOR CIRCUIT !! Congrats to our Stiff Ring sponsor cars !! Finish 1 & 2 in both CATEGORY & GRAND CHAMPION RACES !! http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=405...&type=3&theater This post has been edited by stiffring: Mar 13 2012, 10:31 AM |
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Mar 21 2012, 09:02 AM
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Got my stiff rings installed for a few days (since Sunday)
IINM i got 3 upper (thin ones) and 2 lower (thick ones) installed per side on the front cross member 2 lower (thick ones) installed per side on the rear wheel axle my review: Pros: - improved steering/road feedback and responsiveness - despite the improved feedback, usually this leads to worse NVH (especially vibrations per say), however that is not the case, NVH is slightly improved surprisingly  - since i also got stiff rings installed on the rear, it feels more solid on the rears, most likely due to it reducing flex especially when i have worn/broken bushes (it's not making any annoying squeaks and i havent got the time to go replace them, shops all say need few hours/half day++) - the best charm of this is, if you somehow don't like it, or if you have an accident which involved the parts where stiff rings are installed, so long they aren't damaged, they can always be removed/transferred. process is always reversible Cons: - none that i know of in regards to performance - gain is very minimal compared to the price you pay, basically just less than preferable/expected price vs gain/performance ratios *note: It could be because my car (old 1999 Proton Iswara aeroback) is on on cross members and not subframes? even the rear is just a simple torsion beam/axle, can't expect much Conclusion: If you have the extra cash, want the extra chassis stiffening/enhancement and better steering response/feedback, this would be a great consideration for upgrading/modding best of all is that should you experience any downsides (again, from my experience i dont think there is), the process is always reversible by simply removing them |
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Mar 22 2012, 01:21 AM
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Good review the quazolt.
How much does it cost for Saga Iswara? |
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Mar 22 2012, 05:03 AM
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QUOTE(Notoriez @ Mar 22 2012, 01:21 AM) Good review the quazolt. you could've just copy pasted my name if its that hard to type lol.How much does it cost for Saga Iswara? as for pricing, official price isnt released yet, Peekab0o is arranging a bulk to get cheaper price as there are no iswara/saga in demand yet and i am basically the first one to get it done (measurements etc) so i got special price for that. |
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Mar 22 2012, 05:57 PM
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Satria neo cps need 8 stiff ring?
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Mar 23 2012, 10:24 AM
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QUOTE(archonixm @ Mar 22 2012, 05:57 PM) Satria neo cps need 8 stiff ring? 8pcs YES |
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Mar 23 2012, 12:29 PM
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does the 'mis-aligned' subframe/crossmember will affect the wheel caster in the long run?
my kelisa is pulling to the left a little too much and requires correction of steering input. Means, I have to straighten the steering once in a while as the steering have a tendency to pull to the left. this is what tyreman told me after done my alignment yesterday. Is this true? |
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Mar 23 2012, 12:42 PM
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now that you mentioned it , how much for kelisa?
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Mar 23 2012, 12:43 PM
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QUOTE(farique @ Mar 23 2012, 12:29 PM) does the 'mis-aligned' subframe/crossmember will affect the wheel caster in the long run? would not affect, get a good tireman to fix your issue for good my kelisa is pulling to the left a little too much and requires correction of steering input. Means, I have to straighten the steering once in a while as the steering have a tendency to pull to the left. this is what tyreman told me after done my alignment yesterday. Is this true? |
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Mar 23 2012, 01:31 PM
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Mr. Quazacolt, everyone from 4G1 Series wants to test your car to see if really got difference if install the Stiff Ring in Saga / Iswara chassis.
Can this be arranged? We want to try it on SMART Tunnel, as recommended by Stiff Rings. |
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Mar 23 2012, 02:36 PM
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QUOTE(DSV4600 @ Mar 23 2012, 01:31 PM) Mr. Quazacolt, everyone from 4G1 Series wants to test your car to see if really got difference if install the Stiff Ring in Saga / Iswara chassis. can lol, how would your test cases be? remove stiff ring, 1 run, install again + re-do alignment and another run? or put on the tires you guys normally use, 1 run? (ive not done other chassis stiffening and only sound proofed door panels which would not be affecting road NVH)Can this be arranged? We want to try it on SMART Tunnel, as recommended by Stiff Rings. can always discuss via pm or anything else you guys prefer so long i am available for the time you guys want =edit= oh ya, my only requirement for now, is that if got any toll (i believe SMART tunnel got lol) please help contribute, as well as any potential accidents/damages occurred *touch wood* please bear responsibility as well if you guys would be whacking corners and what not. so long you guys are ok on that, i dont mind letting you guys drive as well. (which would be easier to feel on steering response/road feedback) This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Mar 23 2012, 02:38 PM |
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Mar 23 2012, 02:59 PM
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Siao ah, want to remove and fix again... Change tyres and all, that is Lam Pa Pa Lan lah... For the costs incurred, better buy a set of stiff rings and terus pasang, worst comes to worst, sell for half-price.
Basically we just want to drive your car one time on SMART tunnel, then test the difference with our cars as well (buttfeeling). We're not scientists anyway. Each person drive own car, those who want to drive your car, you do the agreement with them in case something happens. For toll, if I'm in your car when you're doing the run / test, I will cover. |
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Mar 23 2012, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE(DSV4600 @ Mar 23 2012, 02:59 PM) Siao ah, want to remove and fix again... Change tyres and all, that is Lam Pa Pa Lan lah... For the costs incurred, better buy a set of stiff rings and terus pasang, worst comes to worst, sell for half-price. thats the most convincing/accurate way for testing maBasically we just want to drive your car one time on SMART tunnel, then test the difference with our cars as well (buttfeeling). We're not scientists anyway. Each person drive own car, those who want to drive your car, you do the agreement with them in case something happens. For toll, if I'm in your car when you're doing the run / test, I will cover. butt feeling will vary from butt to butt (and car to car, since i am not on stock suspensions already) lol! but if you ok, easier/cheaper for me/you guys also XD reason for the mention because it can be biased, for example, if i drive my car compared to most cars on the track day, chances are i will feel my car being the most comfortable/responsive and it may not be stiffring being the difference. likewise you may feel that your car being more responsive/comfortable due to autofoam and it may not mean that stiff ring has no difference. I guess it is my nature in having thorough test cases considering my job, and i also have hobbies in PC (overclocking benchmarks anyone?) and audiophile (DBT/AB test anyone? on headphone/pc speakers/headphone setups) and no need buy a set of stiff rings la since i ady got ma. and somemore buying ONE set is defo gonna be costy lol. and i personally dont think its worth it if its gonna cost more than 300 or so. hence why i strongly urged you guys to bulk. only possible cost is basically toll and accidents (if it does happen, and mainly when im not driving, if im driving i bear my own responsibilities la obviously) since we arent doing dismantling/wheel alignment (when you install need to do alignment again) |
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Mar 27 2012, 07:56 PM
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Taaron,
how ur case? i had successfully installed the stiff ring to a myvi.....not an easy job....took an hour with proper equipments to fit it in.... |
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Mar 27 2012, 09:51 PM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Mar 27 2012, 07:56 PM) Taaron, hey bro, my case no news..lol..i just saw the pics u have posted on FB..this Saturday i'm available, plan to make appointment with you for the stiff rings..are you ok on this Saturday and is stock available?how ur case? i had successfully installed the stiff ring to a myvi.....not an easy job....took an hour with proper equipments to fit it in.... |
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Mar 28 2012, 01:03 PM
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QUOTE(taaron @ Mar 27 2012, 09:51 PM) hey bro, my case no news..lol..i just saw the pics u have posted on FB..this Saturday i'm available, plan to make appointment with you for the stiff rings..are you ok on this Saturday and is stock available? aiks...i tot u bough edi? yes...myvi i got stock |
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Mar 28 2012, 05:42 PM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Mar 28 2012, 01:03 PM) aiks...i tot u bough edi? yes...myvi i got stock not yet buy..hehe..ok then, i'll visit u on this Saturday to get them installed, reserve 1 set for me |
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Mar 29 2012, 04:25 PM
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good stuff....now waiting them to install the rear ring to my mitsubishi colt....
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Mar 30 2012, 08:10 PM
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QUOTE(jaymansion @ Mar 29 2012, 04:25 PM) good stuff....now waiting them to install the rear ring to my mitsubishi colt.... Good4yu & yr ride, Bro!! Yup, an affordable, yet simple mod but with significant benefits... |
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Apr 4 2012, 05:46 PM
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any feedback bro taaron after installed?
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Apr 4 2012, 06:44 PM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Apr 4 2012, 05:46 PM) any feedback bro taaron after installed? comfort wise, i don't see any significant improvements as i'm using low profile tyres..noise wise, driving through rough roads, still got some noise, but those noise are from my interior parts (dashboard and other plastic panels).. handling wise, can't really judge the performance of it as my stock absorbers are too soft even i'm now using stiffer springs from QNC21 spec, therefore cornering feels floaty.. however, there is 1 obvious difference after getting those rings installed..passing over speed bumps makes a difference, not sure how to explain but it is a positive result.. |
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Apr 5 2012, 01:46 PM
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QUOTE(taaron @ Apr 4 2012, 06:44 PM) comfort wise, i don't see any significant improvements as i'm using low profile tyres.. Congratz, Bro taaron!! noise wise, driving through rough roads, still got some noise, but those noise are from my interior parts (dashboard and other plastic panels).. handling wise, can't really judge the performance of it as my stock absorbers are too soft even i'm now using stiffer springs from QNC21 spec, therefore cornering feels floaty.. however, there is 1 obvious difference after getting those rings installed..passing over speed bumps makes a difference, not sure how to explain but it is a positive result.. See yu finally got yrs done... As for performance & handling, dun feel yu'd get significant diff since yu've modded yr ride so much as is. Mayb on a stock one...? So yr main improvement wld b the feel @ the Steering Wheel...? |
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Apr 5 2012, 09:04 PM
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QUOTE(zeone @ Apr 5 2012, 01:46 PM) Congratz, Bro taaron!! not really many mods done, btw things that i've installed that affect handling are front strut bar, rear anti roll bar, sport springs (Toyota bB specs) and the 17" wheels..the floaty handling feel might be due to the stock absorbers and soft sidewall tyres..See yu finally got yrs done... As for performance & handling, dun feel yu'd get significant diff since yu've modded yr ride so much as is. Mayb on a stock one...? So yr main improvement wld b the feel @ the Steering Wheel...? my main improvement not sure if it is the steering wheel, but a type of different feel when going through speed bumps..much more firm and steady i would say.. |
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Apr 5 2012, 09:24 PM
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been installed these to few myvi....all also not easy to install.....damn
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Apr 10 2012, 06:48 PM
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I've done the stiff ring installation too.
Mine is Latio. Front totally feel nothing. Was wondering too why the rings are place on the supporting frame, but not the subframe. Kind of disappointed though, since already pasang then just leave it there lar. Rear, yes. I would say 70% improvement. Now go over bumpy road or speed bump also nice and firm feel. |
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Apr 10 2012, 06:57 PM
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QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Apr 10 2012, 06:48 PM) I've done the stiff ring installation too. speaking of rear, my rear axle bush "issue" is made very apparent most likely due to the stiffened frame thanks to stiffrings. so yea, got annoying squeaks and need to eliminate it when going over bumps Mine is Latio. Front totally feel nothing. Was wondering too why the rings are place on the supporting frame, but not the subframe. Kind of disappointed though, since already pasang then just leave it there lar. Rear, yes. I would say 70% improvement. Now go over bumpy road or speed bump also nice and firm feel. |
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Apr 12 2012, 04:12 PM
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I just installed an 8 pcs set stiff ring for my perdana v6.. done at Top Secret Performance in Kota Damansara.. Total cost with installation RM300.. Effect wise not quite as expected, but immediate effects noticable was better steering feedback and feels more stable around corners. Ride over bumps feels a little smoother than before. But I feel it is still quite expensive for a set of rings... hahaha
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Apr 13 2012, 05:23 AM
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so far the review of the rings are good for going over yellow lines?
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Apr 13 2012, 05:25 AM
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Apr 13 2012, 05:23 AM) so far the review of the rings are good for going over yellow lines? http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=49896700no mention of yellow lines |
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Apr 13 2012, 05:35 AM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 13 2012, 05:25 AM) i have UR upper strut, lower arm bars front and back and 16mm ARB... most probably i won't feel the handling improvement as much as you... |
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 Apr 13 2012, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Apr 13 2012, 05:35 AM) i have UR upper strut, lower arm bars front and back and 16mm ARB... most probably i won't feel the handling improvement as much as you... No, UR lower arm and bars work for different purpose.I have all those bars in my cars too. The rings are for different purpose, I still get very good response for the rear by installing the rings. But the front is totally no feel... I have front, rear lower arm and ARB 18mm. |
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Apr 13 2012, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Apr 13 2012, 10:48 AM) No, UR lower arm and bars work for different purpose. i saw the video from Spoon on their Rigid Collar, now understand better on their purpose I have all those bars in my cars too. The rings are for different purpose, I still get very good response for the rear by installing the rings. But the front is totally no feel... I have front, rear lower arm and ARB 18mm. but i was quoted RM320 (for 3 pair of front rings and 1 pair for rear) without installation, not cheap leh... ei... you don't have the front upper strut? oh... i read your review at the top, really not much difference at the front leh? This post has been edited by kenji1903: Apr 13 2012, 02:40 PM |
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Apr 13 2012, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Apr 13 2012, 02:38 PM) i saw the video from Spoon on their Rigid Collar, now understand better on their purpose Yes, for Latio is RM320.00. You own a Latio too?but i was quoted RM320 (for 3 pair of front rings and 1 pair for rear) without installation, not cheap leh... ei... you don't have the front upper strut? oh... i read your review at the top, really not much difference at the front leh? Yes, I have front strut too. But since these rings are installed at the bottom, so I didn't mention anything not related lor... Takkan I need to tell I change air filter also meh ... Front rings ah? Really no feel. They are fitted into the supporting frame, not the subframe... I believe other cars are fitted into the subframe directly, hence better feedback from the car control. Latio, definitely no no effect... But the rear, you will definitely like it what more if you already changed to after market absorber... |
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Apr 13 2012, 07:54 PM
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QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Apr 13 2012, 04:22 PM) Yes, for Latio is RM320.00. You own a Latio too? no lar, mine's a dugong... i thought anything you installed for stabilization you'll mention mar Yes, I have front strut too. But since these rings are installed at the bottom, so I didn't mention anything not related lor... Takkan I need to tell I change air filter also meh ... Front rings ah? Really no feel. They are fitted into the supporting frame, not the subframe... I believe other cars are fitted into the subframe directly, hence better feedback from the car control. Latio, definitely no no effect... But the rear, you will definitely like it what more if you already changed to after market absorber... maybe i'll consider... thanks for the feed back, bro |
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Apr 15 2012, 03:00 PM
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Just got the Stiff Rings installed into my City.
Very good effect. Very firm and steady drive from now on... You should know how lousy is the Honda City chasis, with these rings installed, it improves the effect when you drive thru uneven road. UR bars already improved the driving experience. With these rings, it is like improve the handling much more.... |
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Apr 16 2012, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Apr 15 2012, 03:00 PM) Just got the Stiff Rings installed into my City. bro, which model of City and how much? front also can feel now?Very good effect. Very firm and steady drive from now on... You should know how lousy is the Honda City chasis, with these rings installed, it improves the effect when you drive thru uneven road. UR bars already improved the driving experience. With these rings, it is like improve the handling much more.... |
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Apr 16 2012, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Apr 16 2012, 12:07 PM) bro, which model of City and how much? front also can feel now? My is City 4.5G VTEC. I think you have misunderstood the rings for the car. Different cars got different structure, hence the rings also different. Latio is different from City, is different from Myvis, is different from Vios, is different from Proton. In Latio case, the front 4 rings are not helpful. In City case, every ring is helpful. In your Vios case, I dunno. If you are interested, get the diagram of the Rings from your fellow Vios owner. Then ask around if the rings are helpful or not. I actually have a lot of doubt of those ppl that have installed for Livina and Latio to say it brings a lot of effect. If they say rear, I would agree. Front, I will say no. |
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May 11 2012, 11:21 PM
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Anyone installed on inspira?? Or lancer?
Any review on these car specific? |
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Jul 27 2012, 05:02 PM
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Got for Sentra B14?
Thanks. |
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Aug 11 2012, 08:43 AM
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any stock for alfa 146 boxer? & price?
thks |
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Aug 11 2012, 11:44 AM
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just wondering
stability bar VS stiff ring which is which? |
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Aug 12 2012, 01:43 AM
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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Aug 11 2012, 11:44 AM) which is which? what do you mean by "which is which"? care to rephrase? |
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Aug 12 2012, 08:33 AM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 12 2012, 02:43 AM) what do you mean by "which is which"? care to rephrase? OK. sorry.. my my......what I actually meant is which is better in term of improving stability and increase comfortness |
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Aug 12 2012, 12:12 PM
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QUOTE(Awakened_Angel @ Aug 12 2012, 08:33 AM) OK. sorry.. my my...... bars wont increase comfortwhat I actually meant is which is better in term of improving stability and increase comfortness stiff ring *may* increase comfort however at a very minor level, subjective bars only improve stability during corners. stiff rings does help on all around straight ways/corners however again, at a minor level too and depends on your vehicle. |
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Aug 12 2012, 12:28 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 12 2012, 01:12 PM) bars wont increase comfort this is what I saw... stiff ring *may* increase comfort however at a very minor level, subjective bars only improve stability during corners. stiff rings does help on all around straight ways/corners however again, at a minor level too and depends on your vehicle. http://www.ultraracing.com.my/template.asp?menuid=30 regards... improved handling as per se cheers.... |
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Aug 12 2012, 12:48 PM
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both installed at different position/point....so u can install both
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Aug 13 2012, 03:28 AM
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really interested to get this mod, but having a few doubts which brand to choose.
copy pasted this from another forum. any comments from fellow members here? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Aug 13 2012, 08:18 AM
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based on your posted pictures, I guess locally made stiff ring is made of normal aluminum that can be seen at most machine shop that got lathe & milling machine..
i wonder, whether stiff ring have gone tensile test, stress strain analysis or twist test.. only the supplier knows the answer.. if yes, then it is good for us.. |
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Aug 13 2012, 11:06 AM
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at the end of the day, what you pay is what you get lo
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Aug 14 2012, 01:41 AM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Aug 13 2012, 11:06 AM) at the end of the day, what you pay is what you get lo seems like you've had stiff ring for quite some time. mine sharing if there's any difference performance on your ride today compared with the first day you installed it? doesn't matter if it's just a placebo effect, just interested to know your opinion. |
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Aug 14 2012, 01:42 AM
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QUOTE(AtMostFear @ Aug 14 2012, 01:41 AM) seems like you've had stiff ring for quite some time. mine sharing if there's any difference performance on your ride today compared with the first day you installed it? doesn't matter if it's just a placebo effect, just interested to know your opinion. umm seems like no difference from first day till now. what difference before and after stiff ring, just search by my post only in this thread as i believe i've done a short review about this |
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Aug 14 2012, 02:34 PM
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Stiff Ring and chasis bar serve different purpose.
But for my latio, 2 spots were sharing between the rings and the bar. For the rear, it is either the ring or the bar... I choose the bar. Chasis stronger, get more comfort into my driving thru uneven road. |
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Aug 20 2012, 10:59 AM
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Hello all, I drive a satria neo. Installed this stiff ring not too long ago. For some reason, the car feels more sensitive now. I presume this is due to the so-called "improve chasis feedback"?
The car does feel more agile since the the steering is now more direct. As for comfort...no, i don't feel any difference in the comfort level. My car is still as firm as before |
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Aug 31 2012, 10:26 AM
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not much improvement after installing stiffring/CAK. maybe because new car, for old car >5 i think suitable and can feel more improvement.
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Aug 31 2012, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE(swixx @ Aug 31 2012, 10:26 AM) not much improvement after installing stiffring/CAK. maybe because new car, for old car >5 i think suitable and can feel more improvement. i'm planning to install also... what car are you driving? |
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Sep 4 2012, 01:49 PM
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Hi all,
Just wanted to share my exp with stiff rings; I had it installed (Persona E) several months ago. I can say it considerably improved the ride comfort esp over small bump, humps & other road imperfections. Handling wise got lil bit sharper as well. I know that its just a piece of machined aluminum thus lacking the robustness when compared to the likes of "Rigid Collar", I guess a skill machinist could make one from a stronger material; maybe from a harder grade 7050 Alu alloys / mild steel |
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Sep 15 2012, 05:01 PM
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I believe not every one can feel the "difference", different type of human what.
I had mine installed and yes I can feel it, less knocking noise from undercarriage and now I can only get the noise from rear because they haven't release the rigid collar for rear side. Going over bumps and pot holes definitely has improvement. I am a fussy person and I really can feel or knowing what is my car doing when running on the road. |
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Sep 17 2012, 05:24 PM
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Interesting chassis upgrade, I wonder if they're better than spot welding the chassis. Because my welding skills are shitty to say the least.
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Sep 17 2012, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Sep 17 2012, 05:24 PM) Interesting chassis upgrade, I wonder if they're better than spot welding the chassis. Because my welding skills are shitty to say the least. spot welding and stiff rings not the same....coz this collar is insert to the subframe bolts....to fill the gap between the sibframe and the boltspot welding is to the chassis, yet the subframe and subframe bolt still got gap in between |
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Sep 18 2012, 03:24 AM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Sep 17 2012, 09:06 PM) spot welding and stiff rings not the same....coz this collar is insert to the subframe bolts....to fill the gap between the sibframe and the bolt True true. They aren't the same but I guess they both aim for the same effect which is to stiffen up the ride and try to reduce flex/skip/movement as much as possible by increasing rigidity. spot welding is to the chassis, yet the subframe and subframe bolt still got gap in between Just wondering how much better it is than say moving towards titanium carbon strut bars for the front and rears with firewall bracing and other upgrades when it comes to pure trackwork and the comparison of effect with other upgrades. |
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Sep 18 2012, 08:22 AM
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QUOTE(empire23 @ Sep 18 2012, 03:24 AM) True true. They aren't the same but I guess they both aim for the same effect which is to stiffen up the ride and try to reduce flex/skip/movement as much as possible by increasing rigidity. if the engine is not replaced with another type...normally dun need spot welding chassis, as it will failed the puspakom test. unless its off road use, then it is ok.Just wondering how much better it is than say moving towards titanium carbon strut bars for the front and rears with firewall bracing and other upgrades when it comes to pure trackwork and the comparison of effect with other upgrades. for normal street use, normally what we see is upper strut bar installed, which is mount at absorber top mounting areas..be it front or rear. and most oem jdm sports car comes with it originally. |
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Sep 18 2012, 09:43 AM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Sep 18 2012, 08:22 AM) if the engine is not replaced with another type...normally dun need spot welding chassis, as it will failed the puspakom test. unless its off road use, then it is ok. Nah, just want the rigidity. Probably better off with stiffening foam though. Plus I haven't welded for a very long time and taking apart the Evo to reach the chassis seems to be a bit excessive. for normal street use, normally what we see is upper strut bar installed, which is mount at absorber top mounting areas..be it front or rear. and most oem jdm sports car comes with it originally. The Evo comes to front struts, but I just have a thing for exotic materials like Titanium and carbon , thus my absurd need to get Titanium conrods from Arrow precision. |
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Sep 18 2012, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(Zaypher @ Aug 20 2012, 11:59 AM) Hello all, I drive a satria neo. Installed this stiff ring not too long ago. For some reason, the car feels more sensitive now. I presume this is due to the so-called "improve chasis feedback"? Stiff Ring improves your car handling when driving on bumpy roads and conering.The car does feel more agile since the the steering is now more direct. As for comfort...no, i don't feel any difference in the comfort level. My car is still as firm as before It does not improve comfort. |
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Sep 19 2012, 10:19 AM
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QUOTE(AtMostFear @ Aug 13 2012, 03:28 AM) really interested to get this mod, but having a few doubts which brand to choose. hmmm.. interesting.. how much is the price difference btw stiff ring and rigid collar ?copy pasted this from another forum. any comments from fellow members here? » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « |
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Sep 21 2012, 02:47 PM
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QUOTE(ciohbu @ Sep 19 2012, 10:19 AM) hmmm.. interesting.. how much is the price difference btw stiff ring and rigid collar ? should be a lot... its like comparing Cusco and UR racing bars...if not mistaken (lazy to use google, so hope my memory is still correct), rigid collar is by spoon (honda tuner), their rigid collars are limited to only a few non honda car models... |
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Sep 21 2012, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Sep 21 2012, 02:47 PM) should be a lot... its like comparing Cusco and UR racing bars... spoon now offers wide variety of cars ediif not mistaken (lazy to use google, so hope my memory is still correct), rigid collar is by spoon (honda tuner), their rigid collars are limited to only a few non honda car models... |
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Sep 22 2012, 07:56 AM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Sep 21 2012, 06:18 PM) spoon now offers wide variety of cars edi yup, but still mainly honda and other performance, JDM cars... Stiffrings are more localized... |
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Nov 27 2012, 09:20 AM
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I think those stiff ring are made to be "soft so it can be "mold" according to the joint surface. So it does look like coca cola tin i guess.
Question, do they sort of put some glue on the stiff ring? Scare some mechanic throw away thatstiff ring after un screw something. or even if they put back, it wont be d same liao. |
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Nov 27 2012, 10:42 AM
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QUOTE(NINJIAO @ Nov 27 2012, 09:20 AM) I think those stiff ring are made to be "soft so it can be "mold" according to the joint surface. So it does look like coca cola tin i guess. actually no, they are supposed to be stiff/rigid so that it can withstand the force being pressured to hold the gaps together.Question, do they sort of put some glue on the stiff ring? Scare some mechanic throw away thatstiff ring after un screw something. or even if they put back, it wont be d same liao. and no they do not put glue on the stiff ring. so you should be present if you want to make sure your stiff ring don't get discarded when you do repairs/replacement that involve opening up parts that has stiff ring installed. |
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Nov 27 2012, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Nov 27 2012, 10:42 AM) actually no, they are supposed to be stiff/rigid so that it can withstand the force being pressured to hold the gaps together. hmm ye keh? but from all these website stiff ring, stiff collar stiff peni s....ohh waii and no they do not put glue on the stiff ring. so you should be present if you want to make sure your stiff ring don't get discarded when you do repairs/replacement that involve opening up parts that has stiff ring installed. it seems like they are made to be soft. look at this diagram  |
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Nov 27 2012, 10:51 AM
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QUOTE(NINJIAO @ Nov 27 2012, 10:49 AM) hmm ye keh? but from all these website stiff ring, stiff collar stiff peni s....ohh waii can refer to the post earlier on the more expensive "original/earlier" product it seems like they are made to be soft. look at this diagram that said, my stiff ring haven't bent/damaged yet (inspected it while i serviced my rear axle) |
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Dec 7 2012, 10:22 PM
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Thats comforting to hear, i'm going to have mine installed soon. Cant wait for the feedback it'll give to my car.
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Dec 7 2012, 11:42 PM
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Getting mine in 3 weeks time (hopefully)....custom made and the first vehicle of its kind to use these rings. Got it at a special rate too
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Dec 8 2012, 06:45 AM
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QUOTE(jackal400 @ Dec 7 2012, 11:42 PM) Getting mine in 3 weeks time (hopefully)....custom made and the first vehicle of its kind to use these rings. Got it at a special rate too share more info bro |
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Dec 8 2012, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE(kenji1903 @ Dec 8 2012, 06:45 AM) share more info bro Sorry brah...no extra info |
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May 16 2013, 02:18 PM
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If install these, need to do alignment?
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May 16 2013, 02:31 PM
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Got the Stiff ring installed in my cr-z couple of months back..had to say it's one of the best investment i ever did to my car, the noise reduced by alot, u can actually feel the difference when ur running over the yellow bumpy lines,handling wise for me the steering tends to be stiffer,which boost my confidence when it comes to cornering..that's from my point of view.
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May 16 2013, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(JeffreyYap @ May 16 2013, 02:18 PM) If install these, need to do alignment? I didnt do mine and it has been 2 months i think. Doesn't feel any misalignment but soon want to do liao. |
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Jul 30 2013, 09:31 AM
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wanna ask, i notice that for perdana v6, the stiff ring are for front only..
what about the rear? total will be 8pcs, or this 8pcs can be shared between front and rear |
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Jul 31 2013, 06:40 AM
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QUOTE(kurty @ Jul 30 2013, 09:31 AM) wanna ask, i notice that for perdana v6, the stiff ring are for front only.. Maybe the rear the spring too small in radius thus harder to install it.. just guessing. .what about the rear? total will be 8pcs, or this 8pcs can be shared between front and rear |
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Jul 31 2013, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE(amad108 @ Jul 31 2013, 06:40 AM) Maybe the rear the spring too small in radius thus harder to install it.. just guessing. . so the front got stiffed and the rear has nothing...ermmm, clueless |
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Jul 31 2013, 11:57 PM
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QUOTE(kurty @ Jul 31 2013, 09:06 AM) so the front got stiffed and the rear has nothing... need to wait our sifu's to reply..ermmm, clueless |
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Nov 19 2013, 05:31 PM
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Any City owner installed this rings?
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Dec 17 2013, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE(ascll @ Nov 19 2013, 05:31 PM) Any City owner installed this rings? City 2009 model, just installed today... feels like the car's nuts all on chasis got tighten up |
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Dec 18 2013, 04:16 PM
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Any myvi owner installed this on their car? Is it worth the investment?
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Dec 24 2013, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE(earl-ku @ Dec 17 2013, 04:12 PM) City 2009 model, just installed today... feels like the car's nuts all on chasis got tighten up Mind to share your feedback on these rings? |
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Jan 3 2014, 02:52 PM
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Anyone know where is the place I can get this in JB ? For my wife Alza ..
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Feb 2 2014, 04:46 AM
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Plan to install on my new get preve...any comment or review? Thx
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Feb 2 2014, 07:33 AM
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QUOTE(amdxp @ Jan 3 2014, 02:52 PM) Anyone know where is the place I can get this in JB ? For my wife Alza .. Got 4 location in JB area but no idea which one is better. If anyone in JB installed before, please advise because i am thinking to install this on my Preve as well.Location on their website: http://www.stiffring.com/dealer.html |
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Apr 22 2014, 12:53 PM
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Hi, anybody here has installed stiff rings on a Honda Civic FB model?
Curious on how it benefits for my car since I am only able to find many positive review for other cars but no review for the civic fb model. Care to share your experience? Thanks |
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Apr 22 2014, 12:56 PM
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It doesn't costs a fortune to installed one. Just add it.
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Apr 25 2014, 02:05 PM
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Gonna installed my stiff ring soon.
Should I install it on the front only or front and rear? Any huge difference felt? Any comments? |
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Apr 25 2014, 02:38 PM
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well, reporting from JB.
i ordered directly from the stiffring, much cheaper, but got to pay postage. then took the rings to my regular workshop at Taman sentosa, 30mins or lesser. well, i can't tell if it's good or not.. cause along with the stiff ring, i also change my spring and absorber to heavy duty. Engine has always been smooth and quiet, i drive a V6. cornering can hit 80km now, yet to try 120. but for such washer aka stiff ring, kinda expensive.. but if it works, why not. i didn't have a chance to test it as anything more than 150km, then i will feel the unbalancing of ride. |
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Apr 25 2014, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(kurty @ Apr 25 2014, 02:38 PM) well, reporting from JB. I see.. Thanks for your reply i ordered directly from the stiffring, much cheaper, but got to pay postage. then took the rings to my regular workshop at Taman sentosa, 30mins or lesser. well, i can't tell if it's good or not.. cause along with the stiff ring, i also change my spring and absorber to heavy duty. Engine has always been smooth and quiet, i drive a V6. cornering can hit 80km now, yet to try 120. but for such washer aka stiff ring, kinda expensive.. but if it works, why not. i didn't have a chance to test it as anything more than 150km, then i will feel the unbalancing of ride. Anyone else? |
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Dec 29 2014, 11:08 PM
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Saga FL owner here.
Before install stiff ring, I don't expect my car able to gain much on it as chassis strengthening mod done as below. -front 2 point strut bar -front lower bar -rear 3 point strut bar -Foamed undercarriage from bumper to bumper -Foamed door sill -Foamed A pillar After installed, -more comfort on road pot hole -better grip of front tyre (2years old of Michelin XM2) during cornering -better car feel more solid during hard brake and better grip. -less body roll From my experience, chassis foaming absorb and reduce a lot of minor chassis vibration. So I do not expect more from stiff ring for my car. Note: Just gain improvement at the front of car, rear remaining same. I personally feel that it was worth to install 4 pcs small stuff with such improvement at RM110(promotion price including installation. 1 question here hope sifu-sifu can help me on my car, my car always have chassis nye nye sound near by C pillar at the left side during chassis twist, accelerate and braking. Any Saga owner encounter same issue.It start from 2 week after receive my car from factory. The noisy sound become worst and serious after 1 year, now 3.5 year already. Tried remove all plastic stuff still have the sound and work very hard still unable to figure out the source of noise. Thanks. This post has been edited by cain11: Dec 29 2014, 11:14 PM |
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Dec 29 2014, 11:12 PM
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Installed on my old Civic... after reading many people say there are improvement.
My honest review after installation... Total and utter waste of money $$$  Feel exactly the same... didn't help with comfort, noise, viration, handling. |
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Dec 30 2014, 03:07 PM
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QUOTE(unitron @ Dec 29 2014, 11:12 PM) Installed on my old Civic... after reading many people say there are improvement. honda/spoon started this punya wo My honest review after installation... Total and utter waste of money $$$ Feel exactly the same... didn't help with comfort, noise, viration, handling. maybe cuz non ori? lol |
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Dec 30 2014, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 30 2014, 03:07 PM) honda/spoon started this punya wo ya... I know that's one of the reason I thought give it a try without spending a bomb...maybe cuz non ori? lol Anyway.... just live with it.... another reason why I always advise others keep stock standard... dun waste $$$ modding. Got an acceptable ride and handling after adjusting my suspension several times. Should have done that first rather than trying out the stiff ring. |
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Dec 30 2014, 06:18 PM
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QUOTE(unitron @ Dec 30 2014, 06:17 PM) ya... I know that's one of the reason I thought give it a try without spending a bomb... well i had it on my iswara and there was definitely improvement (well butt dyno la Anyway.... just live with it.... another reason why I always advise others keep stock standard... dun waste $$$ modding. Got an acceptable ride and handling after adjusting my suspension several times. Should have done that first rather than trying out the stiff ring. )didn't got it for my inspira since manufacturing/assembly process has come a long way since then and tolerances should be much tighter than it was for the iswara (which is what things like stiff ring improves on) |
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Dec 30 2014, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 30 2014, 06:18 PM) well i had it on my iswara and there was definitely improvement (well butt dyno la )didn't got it for my inspira since manufacturing/assembly process has come a long way since then and tolerances should be much tighter than it was for the iswara (which is what things like stiff ring improves on) Maybe you and others just have more sensitive butts.... hahahaha |
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Dec 30 2014, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE(unitron @ Dec 30 2014, 06:23 PM) Maybe you and others just have more sensitive butts.... hahahaha |
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Feb 28 2017, 12:40 AM
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I am considering to install this on my vehicle on the next balancing and alignment. Since you need to do it after anyways
So even though this thread is very long already. really no cons at all ? how come such good thing still no one really know about it ?? This post has been edited by Eternalgl0ry: Feb 28 2017, 12:40 AM |
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Feb 28 2017, 10:01 AM
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QUOTE(Eternalgl0ry @ Feb 28 2017, 12:40 AM) I am considering to install this on my vehicle on the next balancing and alignment. Since you need to do it after anyways not sure you read through the thread properly....So even though this thread is very long already. really no cons at all ? how come such good thing still no one really know about it ?? |
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Feb 28 2017, 01:21 PM
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QUOTE(Eternalgl0ry @ Feb 28 2017, 12:40 AM) really no cons at all ? how come such good thing still no one really know about it ?? Spending money is not a negative point? |
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Mar 1 2017, 01:02 AM
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No of course is a good thing but i asked some people that does car tuning as a job told me they do not have any comment on whether is good or cons.
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