Stiff Rings...Rigid Collars...
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 Jan 8 2012, 11:40 AM, updated 14y ago
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Stiff Rings (Local)...Rigid Collars (Spoon)....
"New Kids on the Block"? Not seem 2b able to get many reviews via Google...nor in most car forums...  Same difference? Anyone has installed them in their cars? Benefits? Pros & Cons? Impressions? Any opinions? Any comments? TQ for sharing...  |
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Jan 8 2012, 01:13 PM
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"Spoon" is well-known brand...and so is the high cost!!:p
Wat users need is 2get same/similar benefits @ affordable prices! Esp for the Man in the Street! To enjoy a better ride... True? So with "Stiff Rings", can we expect such? This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 8 2012, 01:14 PM |
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Jan 8 2012, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Jan 8 2012, 01:23 PM) it just a ring...i dun think the local made one cant perform the same. Tks a meg 4link c/w lotsa info & comments, Bro! here : http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/fea...gnment-kit.html  Yup, sounds real good to hv!  Anyone with any points against? Cons? |
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Jan 8 2012, 04:22 PM
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Jan 8 2012, 03:50 PM) Tks 4link2, Bro! And Bro mADmAN, tks 4heads up re mod investment!  And no Cons, Bro huakenny? Dat's great...considering not much publicity given abt this mod... A simple yet effective mod 2apply 2our rides! Seriously need 2consider...  |
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Jan 8 2012, 05:48 PM
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QUOTE(shinjite @ Jan 8 2012, 05:20 PM) Your front will be snappier than before, car is more solid over bumps and etc Race Tech's CAK is the most affordable ones already for our Proton cars, the rest will have to opt for Stiff Rings which is a little pricier but still worth the investment +1Another positive response! Tks, Bro! Affordabilty wise : 1. Race Tech CAK 2. Stiff Rings 3. Spoon Rigid Collar (most expensive ?) Btw is fitting such an item DIY-able? Or need an experienced mech to put them onto those subframe bolts? Wld b a total disaster if engine dropped!!   Added on January 8, 2012, 9:31 pmLocally, it appears Spoon Rigid Collars are not available for most local car makes/models. Race Tech CAK also not cater to cars owned by the layman. Stiff Ring seems 2b expanding its range for P1 & P2 models. Prices also kinda affordable since such mods are a 1-time thing. As is, for time being... P1/P2 choices are kinda limited. Or is that a wrong perspective? So, does the QC & materials used hv any disadvantage or even a cause for concern of the different products? NB. Juz need 2state here that I'm not, in any way, associated with all the above manufacturers. This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 8 2012, 09:38 PM |
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Jan 9 2012, 07:54 AM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Jan 8 2012, 11:15 PM) i dun think normal car owner can DIY unless u r familiar with all this jobs and got those equipment/tools to perform the job OIC. Steps appear so simple & straightforward...Haha! Paiseh...  Main prob is dun hv supplier cum installer @my place! Not like in Klang Valley! Gotta buy & get via courier wan. Then need 2get reliable mech 2install...  If goto car SC, will the procedure void car warranty? |
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Jan 9 2012, 08:00 AM
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Jan 9 2012, 07:52 AM) Yup, and you need to jack the whole car up to do a better job, then go under the car...... I hv hydraulic jack & axle stands to use.  However, main concern is whether can remove 1 subframe bolt @a time. Any danger of subframe (engine etc) falling? Also how to insert upper "washer" inbetween subframe & car body. Wonder if normal mech guy can do it? Save all  and worry, rite?Added on January 9, 2012, 8:04 am QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Jan 9 2012, 07:56 AM) Yours is a new car? I thought this rigid collar more for older cars? 1 year old only. Thot wanna maintain good geometric config of subframe b4 bolts get out of alignment. Keep it new lo. Then no worries... Added on January 9, 2012, 8:05 am QUOTE(shinjite @ Jan 9 2012, 07:59 AM) New car or old car also the tolerance gap will be there already one out of factory Yup, that's very true. This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 9 2012, 08:05 AM |
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Jan 9 2012, 08:14 PM
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Jan 9 2012, 07:08 PM) Still better then loose and noisy...... Yup, true...true... However, a small investment (since now much cheaper with local ventures) wld make it more towards the "ideal" geometry, agreed? Btw, read in one of the links abt installation...that wheel alignment needs 2b done after installation?? Izzit a really necessary step? Or juz a precaution? TQ. This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 9 2012, 08:16 PM |
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Jan 10 2012, 10:54 AM
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Jan 10 2012, 07:34 AM) Depends where and what was removed to do the installation. If having brand new tyres then better check to be safe. If having old tyres, don't do also can..... TKs a meg, Bro, 4yr kind advice! ps. Tyres same age as car.  |
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Jan 10 2012, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE(shinjite @ Jan 10 2012, 12:28 PM) Not necessary but recommended to do wheel alignment after installing (that's for my car TQ very much, Bro! Will keep yr rec in mind... ) |
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Jan 10 2012, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE(ultramaman @ Jan 10 2012, 06:53 PM) how much ? Varies fr car to car...depending on no. of bolts@subframe/car body.Added on January 10, 2012, 8:46 pm QUOTE(torreto @ Jan 10 2012, 05:13 PM) honestly after installed the stiff ring on my car. i don't feel any different at all. How new/old is yr car?  Feel no fantastic difference in ride can b expected. IMO wld most probably help maintain car subframe geometry for long term gains. This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 10 2012, 08:46 PM |
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Jan 10 2012, 10:24 PM
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QUOTE(ultramaman @ Jan 10 2012, 09:54 PM) proton gen2. Best ppl 2ask re availability & price wld b Stiff Ring ppl. Try email them : info@stiffring.com Best wishes... This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 10 2012, 10:25 PM |
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Jan 11 2012, 07:33 AM
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QUOTE(glitch @ Jan 11 2012, 01:36 AM) So, what do you think bro ? is it worth RM2XX investment for this collar ? or better spend for UR bars ? Best of both worlds? Do BOTH! Confused here  UR bars = very visible (ppl can see?) & probably more noticeable benefits. Stiff Rings/Rigid Collars = kinda "invisible" (only yu know?) but long term benefits. Your decision...like everything else in Life! |
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Jan 11 2012, 12:13 PM
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QUOTE(torreto @ Jan 11 2012, 11:32 AM) my car will be 2 years old this coming week. Suzuki Swift Sport btw, anyway on the bumpy smart tunnel my car now a lot less of vibration ! stiff ring does the wonder Oh? That's a positive review now compared to yr earlier post... Added on January 11, 2012, 12:14 pmYr ealier post below : QUOTE(torreto @ Jan 10 2012, 05:13 PM) honestly after installed the stiff ring on my car. i don't feel any different at all. This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 11 2012, 12:14 PM |
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Jan 11 2012, 05:34 PM
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Hi Bros!
Fyi I juz got set of "Stiff Rings" (2 pairs for 2 front subframe bolts) for my Saga FL!! Seems other 2 subframe bolts + holes very well designed/fitted & not need these Stiff Rings...  Bought item via Online order/Courier. No dealers in/near my area. Now prob is whether to DIY or find a reliable understanding mech to install... What do yu guys think I shld do? This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 11 2012, 05:37 PM |
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Jan 11 2012, 09:34 PM
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QUOTE(mADmAN @ Jan 11 2012, 07:20 PM) workshop.... the bolts are prollly too tight to remove by hand and might need to use the air gun. Yup, yu're 100% correct!! Tks, Bro! Me tried with socket wrench with 1ft handle but failed 2even budge the bolt!! Haha! Giving up on DIY cos no extension pipe to increase leverage... Bro Chin of Stiff Rings oledi informed re their new Dealer @outskirts near my place. He's contacted Dealer & me will call b4 going...most probably 2moro! Will update after all done....Wish me luck? |
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Jan 11 2012, 10:50 PM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Jan 11 2012, 10:22 PM) must ask mech la....DIY very hard Tks 4good advice, Bro! Gonna get it done @wkshop/Dealer rec by Bro Chin of Stiff Rings. Most probably 2moro. |
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Jan 12 2012, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Jan 12 2012, 07:48 AM) If the bolts are well fitted, then they would not have manufactured the stiff rings, right? Clarification from Stiff Ring...Quote fr email :"FYI, for New Saga, when the car jack up you will see there is another subframe bolt, but this 2 not required the Stiff Ring because this 2 subframe hole & bolt is quite well designed and there is near no gap in between subframe and bolt. Thus, this not required any Stiff Ring to correct the bolt alignment." So, as is, only 2 front subframe bolts need Stiff Rings. Half Plus points for Proton engineering? Added on January 12, 2012, 8:48 am QUOTE(amir_tengkorak @ Jan 12 2012, 08:37 AM) Find a good mech and experienced installing these. Was gonna try DIY install after step by step instructions fr Bro Chin of Stiff Ring. However after an attempt, found me kenot DIY myself cos insufficient tools! If not,the mech also DIY lah..hahahah Now gonna go2 new Dealer rec by Bro Chin 4install. At least they hv the tools... Haha! And, of course, me no This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 12 2012, 08:50 AM |
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Jan 12 2012, 10:18 AM
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QUOTE(huakenny @ Jan 12 2012, 10:05 AM) its not hard to DIY provided u got sufficient equipment/tools. and make sure u not fall asleep under the car.haha Bro Chin's step by step instructions on DIYing install sounded very straightforward. However, I had probs cos I dun hv metal pipe extension to give leverage to my box wrench...to loosen & tighten the subframe bolts!! Nvr mind lo...can alwaz get help, rite? Best this way cos no Haha! This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 12 2012, 10:19 AM |
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Jan 12 2012, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE(vr2turbo @ Jan 12 2012, 10:49 AM) Means for the bolt specified there are no stiff rings for it, then understand that it is well fitted already..... Yup, Bro...appears that way... Btw 1 issue still nagging me @back of mind... One mech I asked 4help advised me NOT to touch those subframe bolts!! His reason? Those bolts (if once loosened) may not fit back tightly & well so kenot stay tight for long! Gave example of BMW...their bolts hv sp glue and each removal needs CHANGE to NEW bolts!!! Told me further that threads of those subframe bolts for local cars kenot tahan unnecessary removal ie wears easily! Any truth in wat he said? Sifus arnd, pls.... TQ! This post has been edited by zeone: Jan 12 2012, 12:31 PM |
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