i started with ICE, then eventually picked up interests in cars as a badly maintained car, hurts a lot in your overall ICE experience

proton iswara included?

from here http://www.stiffring.com/model.html
i dont see it listed lol

email sent.

your links explain nothing.

ok lol

yes i would like to know too

stiff ring/mr chin any comments just to clear our doubts?

subframe yes, how about specifically cross member where it is supposedly bolted tight and supposedly would not move?

that is what we can understand, what about cross members where supposedly there isnt any gap for movement? i did noticed that the holes are bigger than the screw itself though, that consider gap? though that is within the screw position, not so much gap between the cross member and the main chassis

http://www.google.com.my/search?q=car+cros...zL8nmrAex_bitDQ

this is what old cars (like our iswara) has.

while newer cars:
http://www.google.com.my/search?q=car+cros...iw=1280&bih=679

we all on same page now?

stiff ring dude havent contacted me le, not sure if the new bolt fabrication/production takes long or something, or maybe still headaching how to make the cross member being effective with stiff ring installed? (wouldn't want a dissatisfied customer now do we? )

in general, yeah, subframe for new cars, crossmember for old/legacy cars.

and from what i can see la, no gap wo.

thanks bro

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Added on March 1, 2012, 6:03 pm
LOL i just called chin from stiff rings and he said 3-4 weeks.

so confirmed that we wont be seeing stiff rings in action at dato sagor lo

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Mar 1 2012, 06:03 PM

mine is custom since stiff ring never had proton iswara done before

i cant have stiff ring during the event /cryriversmuch

Got my stiff rings installed for a few days (since Sunday)
IINM i got 3 upper (thin ones) and 2 lower (thick ones) installed per side on the front cross member
2 lower (thick ones) installed per side on the rear wheel axle

my review:

Pros:
- improved steering/road feedback and responsiveness
- despite the improved feedback, usually this leads to worse NVH (especially vibrations per say), however that is not the case, NVH is slightly improved surprisingly
- since i also got stiff rings installed on the rear, it feels more solid on the rears, most likely due to it reducing flex especially when i have worn/broken bushes (it's not making any annoying squeaks and i havent got the time to go replace them, shops all say need few hours/half day++)
- the best charm of this is, if you somehow don't like it, or if you have an accident which involved the parts where stiff rings are installed, so long they aren't damaged, they can always be removed/transferred. process is always reversible

Cons:
- none that i know of in regards to performance
- gain is very minimal compared to the price you pay, basically just less than preferable/expected price vs gain/performance ratios
*note: It could be because my car (old 1999 Proton Iswara aeroback) is on on cross members and not subframes? even the rear is just a simple torsion beam/axle, can't expect much

Conclusion:
If you have the extra cash, want the extra chassis stiffening/enhancement and better steering response/feedback, this would be a great consideration for upgrading/modding
best of all is that should you experience any downsides (again, from my experience i dont think there is), the process is always reversible by simply removing them

you could've just copy pasted my name if its that hard to type lol.

as for pricing, official price isnt released yet, Peekab0o is arranging a bulk to get cheaper price as there are no iswara/saga in demand yet and i am basically the first one to get it done (measurements etc) so i got special price for that.

would not affect, get a good tireman to fix your issue for good

can lol, how would your test cases be? remove stiff ring, 1 run, install again + re-do alignment and another run? or put on the tires you guys normally use, 1 run? (ive not done other chassis stiffening and only sound proofed door panels which would not be affecting road NVH)

can always discuss via pm or anything else you guys prefer so long i am available for the time you guys want

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oh ya, my only requirement for now, is that if got any toll (i believe SMART tunnel got lol) please help contribute, as well as any potential accidents/damages occurred *touch wood* please bear responsibility as well if you guys would be whacking corners and what not. so long you guys are ok on that, i dont mind letting you guys drive as well. (which would be easier to feel on steering response/road feedback)

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Mar 23 2012, 02:38 PM

thats the most convincing/accurate way for testing ma
butt feeling will vary from butt to butt (and car to car, since i am not on stock suspensions already) lol! but if you ok, easier/cheaper for me/you guys also XD

reason for the mention because it can be biased, for example, if i drive my car compared to most cars on the track day, chances are i will feel my car being the most comfortable/responsive and it may not be stiffring being the difference. likewise you may feel that your car being more responsive/comfortable due to autofoam and it may not mean that stiff ring has no difference. I guess it is my nature in having thorough test cases considering my job, and i also have hobbies in PC (overclocking benchmarks anyone?) and audiophile (DBT/AB test anyone? on headphone/pc speakers/headphone setups)

and no need buy a set of stiff rings la since i ady got ma. and somemore buying ONE set is defo gonna be costy lol. and i personally dont think its worth it if its gonna cost more than 300 or so. hence why i strongly urged you guys to bulk.

only possible cost is basically toll and accidents (if it does happen, and mainly when im not driving, if im driving i bear my own responsibilities la obviously) since we arent doing dismantling/wheel alignment (when you install need to do alignment again)

speaking of rear, my rear axle bush "issue" is made very apparent most likely due to the stiffened frame thanks to stiffrings. so yea, got annoying squeaks and need to eliminate it when going over bumps