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 2012 Hyundai Elantra, Hello Impossible!

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post Jan 27 2012, 04:06 PM

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QUOTE(gregy @ Jan 27 2012, 04:04 PM)
Bro, you'd be surprised at how much depreciation you will experience with a D-segment smile.gif

I did this comparison in another thread:

2003 Camry 2.0 (the big backside model) New price = RM140k
2003 Sonata 2.0 New price = RM110K

2003 Camry 2.0 now = RM55k
2003 Sonata 2.0 now = RM25k

Camry's depreciation = RM85k
Sonata's depreciation = RM85k

So at the end of the day, what does it tell you? Both cars lost RM85k over a span of 9 yrs, or a flatline depreciation of RM9,444 per annum.

If you're comparing the C-segment Elantra vs the C-segment Civic then yes, the Civic will retain more value over the years.
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Hmm... u have any numbers for say 3~5 yrs? Cause, in my case, I dont forsee keeping a car for more then 5 years.

Cause if you keep a car for 10 years... there is a rock bottom of how much the price will go I reckon.
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post Jan 27 2012, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(ngweichoong @ Jan 27 2012, 03:51 PM)
I suspect lunchtime is the Hyundai salesman . Think twice if really want to take the Hyundai car....Look their salesmen totally not pro enough ........
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He is not the Hyundai salesman, he's unlike bro fluidic so professional in his words tongue.gif . But this guy is just so free nothing to do like to catch ppl's "wrong sentence" and start argument.
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post Jan 27 2012, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jan 27 2012, 04:06 PM)
Hmm... u have any numbers for say 3~5 yrs? Cause, in my case, I dont forsee keeping a car for more then 5 years.

Cause if you keep a car for 10 years... there is a rock bottom of how much the price will go I reckon.
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Sonata NF 2.0A 2006 vs Camry XV30 2.0 2006:

Sonata NF 2.0 2006 New Price: RM116,000 w/out insurance etc
Camry XV30 2.0 2006 New Price: RM131,000 w/out insurance etc

Sonata NF 2.0 2006 Current Price: RM54,000 w/out insurance etc
Camry XV30 2.0 2006 Current Price: RM74,000 w/out insurance etc

Sonata NF depreciation: RM62,000
Camry XV40 depreciation: RM57,000

So the savings for driving a Jap over a Korean over a 6 yr period amounts to RM5,000. IMO that is not a lot of money lost for wanting something other than what every other uncle is driving.
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post Jan 27 2012, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(gregy @ Jan 27 2012, 04:10 PM)
*Yes* I do smile.gif

Sonata NF 2.0A 2006 vs Camry XV30 2.0 2006:

Sonata NF 2.0 2006 New Price: RM116,000 w/out insurance etc
Camry XV30 2.0 2006 New Price: RM131,000 w/out insurance etc

Sonata NF 2.0 2006 Current Price: RM54,000 w/out insurance etc
Camry XV30 2.0 2006 Current Price: RM74,000 w/out insurance etc

Sonata NF depreciation: RM62,000
Camry XV40 depreciation: RM57,000

So the savings for driving a Jap over a Korean over a 6 yr period amounts to RM5,000. IMO that is not a lot of money lost for wanting something other than what every other uncle is driving.
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Whether it is an uncle's car or not, it is left to personal preferences. BUT in terms of maintenance and spare parts, I think Jap brands still win hands down.
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post Jan 27 2012, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(gregy @ Jan 27 2012, 04:04 PM)
2003 Camry 2.0 now = RM55k
2003 Sonata 2.0 now = RM25k
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Is there a buyer willing to pay 55k for 9 years car ? ohmy.gif
Bank still can provide a loan ?
But hmmm if the owner use it for go to pasar + fetch kids from school, maybe worth to buy coz the mileage for sure same with the price which is 55k only...
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post Jan 27 2012, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(gregy @ Jan 27 2012, 04:10 PM)
*Yes* I do smile.gif

Sonata NF 2.0A 2006 vs Camry XV30 2.0 2006:

Sonata NF 2.0 2006 New Price: RM116,000 w/out insurance etc
Camry XV30 2.0 2006 New Price: RM131,000 w/out insurance etc

Sonata NF 2.0 2006 Current Price: RM54,000 w/out insurance etc
Camry XV30 2.0 2006 Current Price: RM74,000 w/out insurance etc

Sonata NF depreciation: RM62,000
Camry XV40 depreciation: RM57,000

So the savings for driving a Jap over a Korean over a 6 yr period amounts to RM5,000. IMO that is not a lot of money lost for wanting something other than what every other uncle is driving.
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post Jan 27 2012, 05:02 PM

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Wow so details...
Errr why use 9 years & 2.7% rate as benchmark ?
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post Jan 27 2012, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(gregy @ Jan 27 2012, 04:10 PM)
*Yes* I do smile.gif

Sonata NF 2.0A 2006 vs Camry XV30 2.0 2006:

Sonata NF 2.0 2006 New Price: RM116,000 w/out insurance etc
Camry XV30 2.0 2006 New Price: RM131,000 w/out insurance etc

Sonata NF 2.0 2006 Current Price: RM54,000 w/out insurance etc
Camry XV30 2.0 2006 Current Price: RM74,000 w/out insurance etc

Sonata NF depreciation: RM62,000
Camry XV40 depreciation: RM57,000

So the savings for driving a Jap over a Korean over a 6 yr period amounts to RM5,000. IMO that is not a lot of money lost for wanting something other than what every other uncle is driving.
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The 15k upfront that you pay more for the camry has other cost involve, if you take a 9 year loan at 2.7% thats 24.3% interest on the 15k over the tenure. If you paid with cash 15k upfront there is a time value to the money when you sell your car, say i used risk free rates at 3% thats 18% over 6 years. so after you factor all these in i do not think there is much savings with a camry.
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QUOTE(epo @ Jan 27 2012, 05:02 PM)
Wow so details...
Errr why use 9 years & 2.7% rate as benchmark ?
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last time when i purchased my car, i took 9 years and the interest rate i got was 2.7%....

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post Jan 27 2012, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(squall_kay @ Jan 27 2012, 07:05 PM)
last time when i purchased my car, i took 9 years and the interest rate i got was 2.7%....
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Rate about ~2.8 now.....

So whoever say "use cash pay more upfront (or entire car) to save interest" should be SHOT and then chopped into pieces.
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post Jan 27 2012, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jan 27 2012, 07:22 PM)
Rate about ~2.8 now.....

So whoever say "use cash pay more upfront (or entire car) to save interest" should be SHOT and then chopped into pieces.
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Yup.... but not to be SHOT, as either way there weren't much difference.
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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jan 27 2012, 07:22 PM)
Rate about ~2.8 now.....

So whoever say "use cash pay more upfront (or entire car) to save interest" should be SHOT and then chopped into pieces.
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depends on what car and brand they would like to purchase and how long they intend to use it smile.gif
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post Jan 27 2012, 07:56 PM

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Back from the holidays, and looks like the major topic here is pricing, oh wait, this been going on since V1.

Let me try finding out on Monday, and verify certain questions as well. If it's true as rumored(Feb 9 soft launch etc.) then I don't think it's possible to keep the details hidden for too long.

QUOTE(cba5566 @ Jan 27 2012, 01:32 PM)
Elantra 1.6 manual launch with 6-speed manual transmission  ?

Anyone can confirm......
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Yes the manual is 6 speed.




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post Jan 27 2012, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Jan 27 2012, 07:56 PM)
Back from the holidays, and looks like the major topic here is pricing, oh wait, this been going on since V1.

Let me try finding out on Monday, and verify certain questions as well. If it's true as rumored(Feb 9 soft launch etc.) then I don't think it's possible to keep the details hidden for too long.
Yes the manual is 6 speed.
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Hopefully can get more news on the pricing and the official specification on different models.



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post Jan 27 2012, 08:20 PM

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Last time I checked, this was the Elantra tered....what happened??

And yes, pricing is WHAT we are waiting for!
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post Jan 27 2012, 08:23 PM

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I think it's not hyundai or SD doesn't want to sell this at competative price like forte, it's our goverment again want to give protection to proton inspira....wakakaka.. BN ownage again.
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QUOTE(FluidicSculpture @ Jan 27 2012, 07:56 PM)
Yes the manual is 6 speed.
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Long time didn't drive manual... Where the R symbol located on top of gear knob ?
1,3,5 top... 2,4,6 bottom...

QUOTE(Vannus @ Jan 27 2012, 08:23 PM)
it's our goverment again want to give protection to proton inspira
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Cannot be... The price different is so much...
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post Jan 28 2012, 01:19 AM

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QUOTE(JC999 @ Jan 27 2012, 05:37 PM)
The 15k upfront that you pay more for the camry has other cost involve, if you take a 9 year loan at 2.7% thats 24.3% interest on the 15k over the tenure. If you paid with cash 15k upfront there is a time value to the money when you sell your car, say i used risk free rates at 3% thats 18% over 6 years. so after you factor all these in i do not think there is much savings with a camry.
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I never think up to this. I know u r an accountant. Thanks

QUOTE(Vannus @ Jan 27 2012, 08:23 PM)
I think it's not hyundai or SD doesn't want to sell this at competative price like forte, it's our goverment again want to give protection to proton inspira....wakakaka.. BN ownage again.
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I never think up to this. I feel so lucky

This post has been edited by jai2005: Jan 29 2012, 01:31 AM
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post Jan 28 2012, 02:23 AM

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QUOTE(squall_kay @ Jan 27 2012, 07:50 PM)
depends on what car and brand they would like to purchase and how long they intend to use it  smile.gif
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No.... all should be SHOT cause ..... Current FD rate for 60 months is 3.8%... why pay more upfront for the car when you get BETTER returns putting your money in FD./... geeez
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post Jan 28 2012, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jan 28 2012, 02:23 AM)
No.... all should be SHOT cause ..... Current FD rate for 60 months is 3.8%... why pay more upfront for the car when you get BETTER returns putting your money in FD./... geeez
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You are wrong. There is something called effective interest rate when it comes to interest calculated up front for hire purchase type of loan.
Assuming you have cash to pay for a car and you put the money in FD earning 3.8% for 6 years and borrow at 2.7% for the same period, you will be paying more interest rate than you earn from FD. The reason is you need to pay instalment for the car loan every month and you need to take out money from FD to service your car loan which reduces your FD ineterst earned in the end. As a result, your FD interest will reduce every month but your car loan ineterst remain the same throughout your loan tenure. Not to forget your 3.8% FD is locked for 6 years and you cannot take out money from it every month to service your car loan.

If one thinks this way, both the FD and car loan are products of the same bank and how can there be paying (FD) more they earn (car loan). The simple reason is it does not work as simple as you see it. The effective interest rate is much higher than the FD they pay their client. tongue.gif

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