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 2012 Hyundai Elantra, Hello Impossible!

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harpyboy
post Jan 24 2012, 09:07 AM

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Normally if the first batch is CBU, how long more before CKD becomes available?
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post Jan 25 2012, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jan 24 2012, 11:37 PM)
There is no facelift. Its a totally new model and it looks like crap. Even Honda President admitted its crap.
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Gone through some video reviews on youtube. The interior is really not appealing.
But at least we now know Elantra will look better than Civic (both ext and int) for the next 5 years to come.
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post Jan 27 2012, 07:42 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jan 27 2012, 07:22 PM)
Rate about ~2.8 now.....

So whoever say "use cash pay more upfront (or entire car) to save interest" should be SHOT and then chopped into pieces.
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Yup.... but not to be SHOT, as either way there weren't much difference.
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post Jan 28 2012, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Jan 28 2012, 01:59 PM)
in this scenario looks like u haf 50k in hand, for a a car that cost 100K.

case 1 better. case 2 is obviously the lousier option, coz ur 2.8% car loan interest is on the basis of 100K. ur FD 3% interest is base on 50k. plus u'll nid to withdraw to service the loan, so ur 50k is getting lesser along the way.

i wud put lesser down payment, n do something else with the money. if make money, then do early settlement. admin charges not a lot....
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I'm sure in both his case, the 50k are spare cash and could be locked in FD for the next 5 years. no one mentioned about using the 50k for the monthly installments. As long as the salary can support the monthly commitment, putting as little dp as possible is the best option.
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post Jan 28 2012, 08:54 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 28 2012, 06:00 PM)
You don't need a math or calculator, already known case 1 will have better saving.

Car term loan works like this.
if you loan 100k, at interest rate 2.8% 5 years, they use 100K x 2.8% x 5 years then divided into 60 months as your month payment.

And this 2.8% is not an effective interest rate.
When you pay monthly payment time, your loan amount already gone down, but the interest rate is still counted using the original 100k (flat across in the first place), so the further future payment on interest charge is actually way more expensive than the first one.

For eg. if using FD method to count, when you loan left 20k, it should be 20k x 2.8% (if 2.8% is real interest rate), but we know term loan calculation doesn't work like that.

FD is more versatile, but you need it to pay down the month car payment.
Yes, in term of emergence use, it is good, more liquidity, however, this unrelated to saving part of story, but more a cash management issue.


Added on January 28, 2012, 6:09 pm(simple illustration for understanding, and it is not correct, as it need monthly payment reduction on principal to have the accurate figure)
100k x 2.8% = 2.8k interest is paid every year with 5 year loan.

1st year, loan 100k, pay 2.8k interest = 2.8% effective interest rate
2nd year, loan left 80k, still pay 2.8k = it is no longer a 2.8%, but 3.5% already
3rd year, loan left 60k, still pay 2.8k = 4.6%
4th year, loan left 40k. still pay 2.8k = 7%.

The FD 3% only save you tiny bit in the first years, but losing big and bigger as the year progress.
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The so called "effective interest" doesn't exist, and to calculate based on the remaining principle amount to refresh the interest rate doesn't make sense as well.... so let's forget about all the rates and percentage, and see the real life calculation below:

Loan $50,000. On 2.8% loan interest will end up 1,400 x 5 = $7000 interest paid for the entire tenure.

Now, put those $50,000 into FD, and remember compounded interest.... at 3.0% pa
the total amount of interest earned at the end of 5 years
= $7963.70

It doesn't take 5+% of FD interest to reach the same amount of interest paid for car loan. In fact much lesser due to compounded calculation.

I don't think you are right, but I could be wrong too?


edit: i think we are both looking at different directions. You are assuming that the amount in FD is to be gradually withdraw to service the monthly installment. right? My assumption is those are spare cash, and being spare is the only reason why people would scratch their head and consider all these in the first place.

This post has been edited by harpyboy: Jan 28 2012, 09:53 PM
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post Jan 29 2012, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(tZZ @ Jan 29 2012, 12:46 AM)
You fail to take into account the savings per month when invested in FD for the person who paid in full.
The amount he saves annually from car payments and placed into FD will definitely nett him more $$$.
An amount of 11400 saved from monthly payments for 1 year and placed into FD with compounded 3% would already give him 1800 nett at the end of 5 years.

Wheres the 7963.70 from your example needs to deduct the 7K interest, so only giving 963.7 nett after 5 years.
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ah. i guess you completed the whole puzzle. the monthly difference in installment can be saved up as well. smile.gif so I agree with you now. time to lay out a spreadsheet for the exact simulation.

though, different people may have slightly different situation to consider. i may actually still prefer to keep the cash for emergency, and so find a way to strike a balance. i kinda belive the difference in amount is minimal and other non monetary factors can easily out weight..

but you are right... thanks..... smile.gif

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post Jan 29 2012, 04:25 PM

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i'm ok if the 1.6 high spec is around 90-95k though. no?
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post Feb 5 2012, 02:00 PM

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Anyone know any good Hyundai SA in JB?
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post Feb 5 2012, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Feb 5 2012, 06:00 PM)
All these classified ads gives mixed rumors. Like the 2nd link, it shows RM85k for standard model (kindda make sense), but description says it comes with supervision cluster & ESP/VSM (only in HS model)?
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post Feb 11 2012, 12:15 PM

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Given the current specs, do you guys think the 1.6 Std is already a good buy for the budget? Doesn't seem like there is a whole lot difference compared to the high specs...
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post Feb 19 2012, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Feb 19 2012, 11:15 AM)
sd busy taking out all this...

www.hyundaiusa.com/images/home/breakthrough/elantra/2012_Elantra_06_Safety.jpg
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Yup, and they are gonna put them back in the facelift 6 months later......
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post Feb 26 2012, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Feb 26 2012, 09:13 PM)
winning what?
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that 2 months maybe?......

i just placed booking today. luckily didn't go for Forte, as sure will regret like hell, when next month seeing one Elantra stopping beside me at red lights.


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post Feb 28 2012, 09:34 PM

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any difference in booking with SD Hyundai compare with other dealers?
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post Feb 28 2012, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Feb 28 2012, 09:40 PM)
when a distributor sell things direct and he have dealer, he will always said there is no different.. coz he dowan to.offend the dealer network....  but than that is only "said"... in actual, u gonna judge urself...
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it's either your english or mine. sorry don't understand. sweat.gif
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post Feb 29 2012, 08:03 AM

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QUOTE(BuFung @ Feb 28 2012, 11:29 PM)
I think is the same reason why they can't let u touch inside...  Coz some of the accessories maybe strip .. Can't finalize yet...


Added on February 28, 2012, 11:43 pm
Let me try a bit harder for u...  Mr. A is importing goods to sell in here...  A selling the goods direct to end user and also selling to his dealer network...  Say dealer b1, b2, b3, b4 etc.... 

So b1,2,3,4 r getting goods from Mr.A..  Who r the distributor... 

Since mr.A also selling direct to end user, mr.A cannot sell @ the price similar to dealer b1,2,3,4... 

E.g.mr.  A sell item X to dealer b1,2,3,4 @ rm0.80, he cannot sell to end user @rm0.80 too... Because dealer b1,2,3,4 also doing business...  Doing business mean profit require...  If mr.A sell to end user @ rm0.80, no dealer wanna sell item X for him.... 

So to protect the interest of dealer, Mr.A must promise his dealer he won't sell the item X to end user @ rm0.80....  But will promise them maybe sell @ at least rm1.00....  If mr.A can only sell at rm1,  dealer b1,2,3,4 etc also can sell @ rm1.. So dealer will have profit...  Everybody happy... 

So, ethic of business...  Mr.A must keep his promise to his dealer he cannot offer something better than his dealer to end user... 

But theoretically is that way, BUT he is an importer, he have all the control...  Will he have advantage for end user or not, is heavily depend on how high the ethic of him as a distributor.. ..

Hope u understand ....
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haha. ok. got it.

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