singapore got bring in some 165.
but all sapu habis in a few days.

Seriously, 165 like damn hot man.....australia forums, US, UK, even bling-bling sites like hardforum also rushing to buy.

Siepeh headache, mau carik pun susah

huh?
when did I say the X2 is expensive? I mean, yeah....hehe, it is expensive in a way...but X2 expensive??

This post has been edited by pizzaboy: Nov 18 2005, 07:48 AM

I dont see why people would buy the Opteron 165 if they can get the X2 3800 for a cheaper price...

edited: except for the 1mb L2 cache on the 165 opty.. but it has been proven that the cache doesnt improve much performance... proven by the comparison of X2 4200 and 4400...

This post has been edited by wild_card_my: Nov 18 2005, 08:33 AM

I donno, it seems that in US, after conversion it's RM1090+-
In m'sia, it's RM1260 the cheapest.

So i belive in malaysia, it's still RM1260>RM1090

Perhaps in the US it's different.

so people if opty 165 and x2 3800 are priced the same, which one would you choose.. one is based on toledo and the other on manchester... one has 1mb cache @ 1.8ghz while the other 512kb cache @ 2.0 ghz..

both are great overclockers, though the x2 does a lil better at the end achieving up to 2.8ghz.. but that's very subjective anyway and depends much on your chip...

but which one would you choose? please state the reason

woot... d x2 not havin high fever as before, but d temp still kinda high thou...

xp-120? i had some hard times with it, i'm usin freezer64 which do betta than xp-120.

xp-120 w/ tt a2018 @ full blast: idle 45'C, load 55-59'C

freezer64 @ full blast: idle 43'C, load 49'C

all w/ 1.46V (bios set)

mebe it's becoz of d bracket, d hs didn't make proper contact w/ d chip. some part near d mountin holes need to be shaved off i think...

This post has been edited by ah_khoo: Nov 19 2005, 09:46 AM

Is it a bit late to play X2 now ?

Initial testing for my AMD64 X2 3800+ :

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Short description:
CPU: 240x10 @ 2400Mhz, 1.25v+113%
RAM: DDR480, CL2.5-4-3-7-1T @ 2.8V
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AMD64 X2 3800+ Manchester E4 CDBHE 0533SPDW @ 2400MHz (240HTTx10) 1.25v+113% stock cooling
2 x 512MB Corsair TwinX XMS PC3200 PRO v1.4, 240MHz at 2.5-4-3-7, 1T, 2.8vdimm, Orange Slot
DFI LanPartyUT NF4 SLI-D (BIOS 704-2BTA) 1.6v chipset
Galaxy 6600GT (Zalman) PCI-E x16 (default speed)
WD 40GB 8MB - IDE1
ASUS 52X CD-ROM - IDE2
WD 160GB SATAI - SATA3
Samsung Floppy Drive
OCZ ModStream 520W PSU
Window XP Pro SP2

this is my current setting for X2....


don't know the stepping bcoz lazy to find it
quite satisfy with this X2...huhuhu

opty 165 higher quality chip. running it now at 20 degrees C with SI-120 heat sink, no air con.

yeahh.. sure choose Opty over X2.. bigger cache.. high OC'ing ability

opty 165 for sure, better memory controller, bigger cache, improved core and all opterons goes through extensive testing as they are designed for servers that runs 24/7.
I just bought got one myself yesterday. Now running at 2.61ghz @ 1.44v.
now who can argue thats faster than a FX60.

Most X2s are based on newer and cheaper Manchester core whereas Opterons are based generally on Toledo core. 2 things that comes to mind when buying an Opteron:

1. It is more overclockable. Most Opterons can touch 2.6ghz and above with minimal raise of core voltage circa 1.4 - 1.5V. X2s, on the other hand (at least those based on Manchester) can't really hit beyond 2.5ghz in general. My Manchester can "only" hit 2.4ghz prime stable with a high voltage of 1.525V. And I am confirmed that the cpu is the limit as I am using water cooling, htt at 267Mhz eventhough my ram can run at 275mhz.

2. Each Opteron core has 1MB of L2 cache, which all in all, makes it a lower clocked FX60 chip (except for the upward multiplier of course). So, with some overclocking, it could reach FX60 performance like the thread above. X2s on the other hand, like my poor Manchester, has physical 512KB for each core, and since this is hardware "handicap", there's nothing much you could do about it.

So yes, if you let me chose once more, I'd pay slightly more for an Opteron and overclock it til it cries.

gonna get an AMD X2 3800+ soon... wanna know wat is d different of E4 n E6??

The E6 are newer better core then the E4 again if the 165 is a little more get that instead.

the opty 165 is dual core rite? hmm wish i can get my hands on one.

yes, indeedy. But I've read rumours that Amd will stop selling them soon. So many places that have them are selling like hot cakes also at a higher price too. As the socket 939 will move to AM2 (DDR2) so all those who invested into 939, the next natural upgarde is the x2's. Otherwise it will be big money again, new MB, Ram, CPU as well if you choose the AM2 route.
But the x2's Athlons will be available for some time like the 3800+.

On the dual cores, the E6 are toledos if I am not mistaken and E4 are Manchesters. Toledo are the better cores since they are used in the high end models such as X2 4800+ while the Manchesters are the cacat version.

izzit?? i tot Manchesters wf the 512kb L2 while;
those toledos r the 1mb L2 cache..

if you buy the high end cores then go for toledos. btw opterons are toledos too.

if you buy low end cores, then go for manchester cores. afaik this is because the no-so-good toledos that fail the QC for 4800+ are rated at 4400 and 4200. (refer to hardware recommendation thread).

There is only one draw back on the 165's, it has a highest multi of 9, so if you are going to buy, make sure you get a motherboard that can do high HTT.
Do your homework, like DFI or Epox as they are 2 of few that can do 300HTT+.
And also some Ram do not like dividers to much, Otherwise you could be wasting time and money.

9multi x 250HTT = 2.25GHZ
9multi x 260HTT = 2.34GHZ
9multi x 270HTT = 2.43GHZ
9multi x 280HTT = 2.52GHZ

With the right equipment you should have no problems.
But since we're all here looking to overclock nothing is garenteed

This post has been edited by woody: Mar 20 2006, 07:44 PM