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jarofclay
post Nov 7 2005, 12:38 AM

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Be careful as I see you are using D43 RAM. It is known to usually have problems with our el cheapo D43 RAMs. That was the reason I didn't get the DFI in the first place.

Secondly, HTT normally works upto 1GHz. So please check if your HTT multiplier is dropped to 4x instead of the default 5x if you raise your HTT beyond 200.

QUOTE(TaiZi@CCF @ Nov 7 2005, 12:12 AM)
babyelf, ok, thank very much for your suggestion, i will go for DFI!
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post Nov 7 2005, 09:25 AM

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Not sure whether it is good or not but it is quite stable so far. But there are a lot of people here who would swear by DFI if you are talking about overclocking.

For Abit, it is more tolerant of cheap RAM and recently I tried even 2 pcs of 512MB and 2pcs of 256MB RAM and it worked although it has to run 4 pcs at 2T. Other than that, it has front cmos reset which is really convenient for overclockers to OC a bit too much.

QUOTE(TaiZi@CCF @ Nov 7 2005, 08:16 AM)
what about the Abit Fatality you are using? good oc?

talking about OC, i will prepfer DFI, but i dont know which model to go, can somebody tell me? thanks.
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post Nov 8 2005, 08:38 PM

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Yeah, try to get a 24 pin PSU. The last 4 pins that you are missing supplies power to the PCIe slot if I'm not mistaken. Normally, a 20 pin PSU is not sufficient enough for a PC of your specs.
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post Mar 3 2006, 11:01 AM

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Most X2s are based on newer and cheaper Manchester core whereas Opterons are based generally on Toledo core. 2 things that comes to mind when buying an Opteron:

1. It is more overclockable. Most Opterons can touch 2.6ghz and above with minimal raise of core voltage circa 1.4 - 1.5V. X2s, on the other hand (at least those based on Manchester) can't really hit beyond 2.5ghz in general. My Manchester can "only" hit 2.4ghz prime stable with a high voltage of 1.525V. And I am confirmed that the cpu is the limit as I am using water cooling, htt at 267Mhz eventhough my ram can run at 275mhz.

2. Each Opteron core has 1MB of L2 cache, which all in all, makes it a lower clocked FX60 chip (except for the upward multiplier of course). So, with some overclocking, it could reach FX60 performance like the thread above. X2s on the other hand, like my poor Manchester, has physical 512KB for each core, and since this is hardware "handicap", there's nothing much you could do about it.

So yes, if you let me chose once more, I'd pay slightly more for an Opteron and overclock it til it cries. smile.gif
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post Mar 20 2006, 05:42 PM

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On the dual cores, the E6 are toledos if I am not mistaken and E4 are Manchesters. Toledo are the better cores since they are used in the high end models such as X2 4800+ while the Manchesters are the cacat version.

QUOTE(woody @ Mar 3 2006, 03:27 PM)
The E6 are newer better core then the E4 again if the 165 is a little more get that instead.
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post Mar 20 2006, 08:32 PM

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That's what I was saying. wink.gif

QUOTE(gengstapo @ Mar 20 2006, 05:50 PM)
izzit?? i tot Manchesters wf the 512kb L2 while;
those toledos r the 1mb L2 cache..  blush.gif
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post Mar 20 2006, 08:35 PM

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Exactly, so those with TCCDs should rejoice since they can do 300mhz and therefore negates the need for multipliers. Otherwise, those who D43s would be limited to run the chip at a rather limited 2.25ghz with 1:1 ratio.

Not sure of the percentage but I am quite sure you wouldn't want to run your a64 system with ram dividers.

QUOTE(woody @ Mar 20 2006, 07:31 PM)
There is only one draw back on the 165's, it has a highest multi of 9, so if you are going to buy, make sure you get a motherboard that can do high HTT.
Do your homework, like DFI or Epox as they are 2 of few that can do 300HTT+.
And also some Ram do not like dividers to much, Otherwise you could be wasting time and money.

9multi x 250HTT = 2.25GHZ
9multi x 260HTT = 2.34GHZ
9multi x 270HTT = 2.43GHZ
9multi x 280HTT = 2.52GHZ

With the right equipment you should have no problems.
But since we're all here looking to overclock nothing is garenteed
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post Mar 20 2006, 09:24 PM

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I felt the difference playing FEAR. smile.gif It's smoother now with 1:1.

QUOTE(woody @ Mar 20 2006, 09:16 PM)
Yes and No, A64 gains most on cpu speed, not so much on ram bandwidth. It will show up on benchmarks like sisoft, but in real term like running games or applications there is very little difference since the memory controller is built into the cpu instead of the northbridge like on nforce2.
Running 1/1 would be preferable as you will gain bandwidth but it won't be like the days with Nforce2 the performance gain won,t be much, so now we don't have to spend big bucks on expensive high speed Ram to get most out of our system.
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post Apr 30 2006, 11:20 PM

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I'd get the Opty if I can turn back time. You could always use the RAM divider if your RAM is poor performing. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(gengstapo @ Mar 21 2006, 08:34 AM)
hurmm if price would be the same then i choose X2 lorr, becoz the latest version comes wif toledo core(same wif opty) but limited L2 512kb cache. but then, the multiplier higher than opty 165 with 10 over 9. sure easy to OC up to 2.6Ghz. on opty side, need to OC "lil higher abit" to get 2.6Ghz becoz of the 9 multiplier

IMO  sweat.gif  sweat.gif
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post Apr 30 2006, 11:23 PM

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Wow, this is cool. Mind telling me what was written on top of the IHS of the CPU? Mine can barely do 2.6ghz with 1.6V!! You truly have a gem there.

QUOTE(ahpaul82 @ Apr 30 2006, 09:34 PM)
My new stepping of X2 3800+ :

user posted image

Link over here > AMD64 X2 3800+

Prime/SP2004GO screenshot will post up soon biggrin.gif
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