WW, that's pretty decent price given the present circumstances. Waiting for AB to breech the 2000 barrier and put a smile back on many farmers' faces.

Nowaday, some have set up auction market for EBN and I believe many parts of the country has done the same where sellers meet buyers to buy/sell EBN and whoever pay best price take the EBN.

Tomorrow, I heard there is one at Air Jernih and maybe, those interested may want to go or just to see how the auction done or to know how much your EBN may worth.

I heard that the one held at Seremban was not satisfactory as the price quoted were low and many sellers weren't happy. Anyone there?

EBN prices vary from place to place and quality, types, size and color determine the final price and it's good if you know how it works. Do have your wanted price before selling as the differences in price may vary by a few hundreds. First have the buyers to quote and if the price is higher than your intended price, sell but if lower, negotiate for a better price and still disagree on the final price, pack up and leave cos there are always other buyers........

Always remember that buyers sell to different area and each area requirements are different like once I sold some very large very brown EBN for a price higher than white EBN all because those were very large EBN and the buyers did have such outlet looking for very big EBN. I was offered just half of the white before meeting up with this buyer.

Something to share among friends.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 12 2014, 11:02 AM

Good advice WW. I will be going to the Ir Jernih "auction" to look & see.

Heard from friends who said that you were there but according to them, there was this one buyer who did not understand how to grade EBN. Small nests which we normally grade as patahan were offer Rm1480 which is wuite good but then big nests also quoted at Rm1480....... they should have provided at least 2 buyers otherwise, the organizers shouldn't have asked the BH owners to bring the EBN there and a waste of time...

You were there, how the climate?

I am trying to get the Association here to organize true auction where few buyers will try to outbid others for the EBN. I have all planned.

1. Buyers must deposit Rm1K in order to allow to bid and any buyer not paying deposit in advance are not allow to bid.
2. Buyers who fail to turn up will have their deposit forfeited.
3. The Auction can only start with at least 2 buyers.
4. Sellers shall be allow to put up lowest selling price on their EBN and if there is no buyer at the price, the seller must reduces the price or remove his nests from being auction.
5. The Association may charge a min. fee of Rm10 for each kilo sold paid by the buyers deducted from the deposit paid to the Association. Balance to be return to the buyers.

any comment on my suggestion

Uncle WW,

The info that the buyer did not know how to grade IS DEFINITELY not correct. Lump sum RM 1200 - RM1600. Good grade A+ nests RM1800 though owner did not sell. Of course there are some Patahan in the Lump Sum deals and the price will reflect the composition. My personal opinion is price offered is above average. This auction is very good in my opinion.

Association can do a lot more to help boost prices and your suggestions should be taken up. The main problem is many big ranchers would rather have buyer come to their places and trade in private.

We got few more problems. The auction price is indeed good, but you need to know, there are not many willing to buy at that price. You can put Rm2000/kg, but no one is buying.

Great! If auction can boost price then all well for the small BH owners which we all are concerned as for the Big Ranchers, they don't need anyone to help to sell their nests.........they got their way ans some even already have runners to export to China on their own. It is the small farmers that we all are and of concern esp. those having lesser than 20K........getting lousy deals.

If you have over 100K nests, you can get the Boss from china to come here and buy from you. Don't know if this Boss from China will come but he did told me so. That's why I think that many big ranchers like J and M that have so many BHs, more than many times their small factories can clean and still have their men are buying EBN now..

Uncle WW,
Please be warned about the auction that, things will get uglier as time goes on. The auction, which allows lot of satisfactory buying prices at the beginning, will tumble and became, what I would call, PIG slaughtering house, at the end. (WE are the PIGS, unfortunately).

U know how they do that, all buyers will join force in no time. They will start to know each other, and form up a team. Their team will consist of several buyers, to make the (conspired) auction realistic. When they succeed, they all will bid low and each one of them will win proportionate amount. Later when the auction is over, all sellers gone home, they will sell and buy from each other at added prices. This way they get cheaper nests.

Another way to do it is to bring in fake bidder. A real bidder will ask his friend to come over and participating in this game. His friend will win some bid, but eventually when we all go home, the real bidder will pay him.
To achieve all these. They will need to 1) keep out new bidder 2)Approach new bidder and make deal before the auction take place

We all of course have the right to NOT SELL, however how many people would raise their hand objecting his/her sell, now that they have come a long way to this auction. Some would swallow their loss and just let the bird nests go. Same things happening in the Thailand auction.

How do you prevent these?
1.) Do everything you can to keep them from seeing each other. Even at lunch time or whatever.
2.) Make sure after the buyer/bidder pays, we transport the nests into their car right away. This way, before we all seller go home, no nest will be left on the bidding table, for them to buy and sell among them.
Doing this may help. Because once the nests got to their car/pick-up, whoever want to buy from them has to do it beside the car. That makes it difficult for them to easily plot / buy and share the nests.
3.) Always set hidden minimum selling price of each bag. NO FEE is to be paid to the auction manager, IF NO PURCHASE has been made. This is to ensure many seller won't lose anything, if the prices are to low.

I will add more if I can think of later.

I do agree with you but the very reason that many BH owners don't actually understand the structure of EBN pricing and true market value of EBN. Only in open market that we all can see if the sellers do get fair price and many times, buyers even pay very low price for EBN just by scaring or telling sellers that their EBN is slightly brownish or alittle shit or alittle smaller by cutting afew hundreds off the price initially suggested by the buyers.

The most said phase is that your EBN is alittle wet and why totally dried EBN also at the same price. The last time was worst of all, buyers were telling BH owners that the price fall below RM1K at Kelantan and price still dropping badly and advice sellers here to sell fast or otherwise no buyers.

Once, one of buyers did talk to my friend over coffee and told him that Kelantan price was Rm1.2K for quality AB and I told him off by wanting to buy over his over 100K EBN stock at hand at Rm1.2K/Kg. He immediately told me to go to KB to buy but I insist to buy his EBN and did told him that his EBN weren't good quality EBN. He left without saying another word and since then he never visit me again. So you see, many BH owners are easily scare of the SKY IS FALLING story.

Just another story to share.

Latest and or could be future problem of bird nest. with bird house ID, not possible to clear china custom.

The china custom will log into our ministry of agricultural website (some sort of), to the existence of the declare bird house ID in the Bird nest packaging printed QR code

Not many bird house in malaysia register to government (i guess). Therefore, the tracibility not complete. farmer may worry once declare, the income revenue department will start to chk the pass 7 yrs record.

latest price legal bird nest export to china only Rm8000/kg (CIF China). anyone interest, pls let me know.

Great News but then we cannot export without all the documentations as required.
If you are right then we farmers should at least get Rm4K for our nests even after less the documentation, cleaning if required and transportation included.

Sell your BHs, take the money and pay the corrupted G. men to obtain approval and be a middleman to become rich cos you can never become rich as a BH onwer as all price are controlled by the middlemen. Same like our vegetable farmers getting peanuts and the middle men getting richer or ARE YOU THE SAINT ABLE TO HELP US?

Latest news, i heard price drop to Rm7000/kg CIF China or HK. The cost for processing for license bird nest at least higher by about rm1000/kg simply due to the HACCP, GMP, ISO, QR code & taxes etc. The packaging & logistic also much higher as well as insurance with full value declare. Most importantly is low production that why high cost.

Totally agreed to sell bird house then GREASE them all the way for license.

ok la, then that 2 bird house (4000 nest each) for Rm3.2million. any interest, pls pm me.

Let's observe a moment of silence in any place to mark respect for the loss of all from MH17 on Aug 22, 10:30. Peace on Earth...let it begin with ME.

What is the latest pricing trends? Up a little, down a little, no change? So little news nowadays.

hello! very quiet these days here any news? any movements?

Full cup RM1900/kg about 10 days ago. Lump sum varies from 1200 - 1400 depending on the mix %

i guess the buyers still very picky eh

anyways recently I try my hands on cleaning and consuming some of my BH produce... cleaning 10 gram is very time consuming, I selected the cleaner nest to test already, still took me many hours to clean it sufficiently . anyone got tips to shorten the time ?

Use brown sugar when cooking so you won't see the fine feathers

Unfortunately, other than paying somebody else to clean EBN, there is no short cut.