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 The Watch Thread v4, no watch is 2 cheap or 2 pricey 2 talk

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post Sep 13 2012, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(ck77 @ Sep 13 2012, 05:13 PM)
Even with 36mm explorer?
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ya, just doesnt look right...guess cos the black face and lack of bezel makes it look even smaller...
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The exp1 doesn't have that "look at me" wrist presence which is sorta like its appeal as well I think.
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post Sep 13 2012, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Sep 13 2012, 05:32 PM)
The exp1 doesn't have that "look at me" wrist presence which is sorta like its appeal as well I think.
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but its on ur wrist, so you'll be looking at it for quite abit...and if it doesnt bond with u...no point getting it even tho its a 'poser's brand' biggrin.gif
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post Sep 13 2012, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(yonggoh @ Sep 13 2012, 09:01 AM)
Hey buddy non offence taken... i enjoy peoples different perceptions of the Rolex brand...a very love or hate thing as everyone has grown up knowing about Rolex smile.gif New knowledge and differing opinions is exactly they type of thing most ppl are looking for in forums.
When thinking mystique of the Rolex brand the Daytona instantly comes to mind...
Its been documented all over the net...  the old zenith movement.... the paul newman connection... the waiting lists and obscene prices... the asian obsession with the black dial versions...
http://reviews.ebay.com/Rolex-Daytona-Hist...000000011187812
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QUOTE(sniper on the roof @ Sep 13 2012, 10:15 AM)
There's always the forgotten understated side of Rolex smile.gif
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I did consider a Rolex Explorer I or Deepsea. But as I studied Rolex Cal 3000, 3130 and 3135 movement and the price offered for these watches, I was put off into getting one. Take out the brand Rolex out of the equation and I don't consider the movement special. Anyway, Cal 4130 is one of the better movements in the current product range. wink.gif

I ask myself, why should I get a Rolex other than the brand name and recognition itself? I couldn't find any good reason to own one yet.
As far as accuracy is concerned, there's a lot of watches are just as good or better than a Rolex at a more justifiable price.

QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 13 2012, 03:07 PM)
RM 12K -RM 13K is what I would call a yuppie trap. What you get at this range are hyped up ETA movement. Really expensive mass produced factory pieces specifically to trap those yuppies who has lots of free cash to spend. You want something good...
up your ante to RM 20K, now you get into the range of JLC or Maurice Lacroix Masterpiece or Pontos range. This is your entry level to real haute horologie.
If not,
think a little outside the box....
Try Nomos Glashutte (Deutche) or look the Japanese way... Royal Orient.
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I concur.
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post Sep 14 2012, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 13 2012, 03:07 PM)
RM 12K -RM 13K is what I would call a yuppie trap. What you get at this range are hyped up ETA movement. Really expensive mass produced factory pieces specifically to trap those yuppies who has lots of free cash to spend. You want something good...

up your ante to RM 20K, now you get into the range of JLC or Maurice Lacroix Masterpiece or Pontos range. This is your entry level to real haute horologie.

If not,

think a little outside the box....

Try Nomos Glashutte (Deutche) or look the Japanese way... Royal Orient.

Xuzen
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But do explore the Zenith brand or even the Omega (Speedy Pro) for that sorta money...

Definitely credible pieces IMHO thumbup.gif
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rm13k? used rolex 14060 tongue.gif
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post Sep 14 2012, 11:06 AM

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Speedy or Seamaster Pro are worthy considerations. Recently saw a few models of Zenith Open Port Royal on sale for 3.5k USD, very tempted myself to get one.
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post Sep 14 2012, 11:36 AM

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Get the Speedy Pro Moonwatch and consider yourself baptized...
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-Budget ~RM12-13k (or SGD 5k) (CHECK)
-Metal Bracelet (CHECK)
-New (CHECK)
-42mm or less (CHECK)
-Mechanical (Original moon watch is manual wind but you can have it in auto as well)
-Black Dial (CHECK)
-Chronograph not important but wouldn't mind (BONUS)

and you get an in-house movement, not to mention a historically significant piece...

Bare in mind however that the original moonwatch that you can still buy today is manual wind and uses a hesalite (not sapphire) crystal... there is a version that is auto and with sapphire icon_rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(deriku @ Sep 14 2012, 10:06 AM)
Speedy or Seamaster Pro are worthy considerations. Recently saw a few models of Zenith Open Port Royal on sale for 3.5k USD, very tempted myself to get one.
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bro i love the zenith opr as well. where did u find it on sale if you dont mind me asking? tongue.gif
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post Sep 14 2012, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(yonggoh @ Sep 14 2012, 10:49 AM)
But do explore the Zenith brand or even the Omega (Speedy Pro) for that sorta money...

Definitely credible pieces IMHO  thumbup.gif
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I do love Zenith El-Primero myself. But @ only RM 12-13K? Srsly?

As for Omega, I hate endorsement horologie... it makes it tacky & cheesy.

I want a watch that looks good, not a watch that I think it looks good on Maria Sharapova therefore it looks good on me.

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 14 2012, 03:05 PM)
I do love Zenith El-Primero myself. But @ only RM 12-13K? Srsly?

As for Omega, I hate endorsement horologie... it makes it tacky & cheesy.

I want a watch that looks good, not a watch that I think it looks good on Maria Sharapova therefore it looks good on me.

Xuzen
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Um... I would liek to get to know you better tongue.gif

But seriously... some brands rely too much on marketing/endorsement... namely Tag.... but it works on the masses...
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post Sep 14 2012, 03:23 PM

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I guess some watch companies do spend more big bucks on advertising, good example is when Roger Federer won the wimbledon for a record 7 times, the next day you see Rolex's ad popping up left and right~! haha
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I have also previously spoken against the so called marketing tactics of the James Bonds and Olympics of Omega... but the Speedy Pro Moon watch is a different animal.

Even today's ref. 3570.50.00,visually, stay very true to the original version used for early moon exploration. Its the only Omega I would be proud to wear smile.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_Speedmaster


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QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 14 2012, 03:05 PM)
I do love Zenith El-Primero myself. But @ only RM 12-13K? Srsly?
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A remember checking out an El Primero earlier this year at Hour Glass (or was it sincere??) at Pavilion
The guy qouted me a sticker price of RM16,000....

I reckon after some discount it can be had for a bit less than that... perhaps not falling into the 13k bracket as our buddy requested, but for a "little bit" more above the budget as well as some searching around, he may make consideration for such a fine time piece smile.gif

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QUOTE(yonggoh @ Sep 14 2012, 11:36 AM)
Get the Speedy Pro Moonwatch and consider yourself baptized...
rclxms.gif

-Budget ~RM12-13k (or SGD 5k) (CHECK)
-Metal Bracelet (CHECK)
-New (CHECK)
-42mm or less (CHECK)
-Mechanical (Original moon watch is manual wind but you can have it in auto as well)
-Black Dial (CHECK)
-Chronograph not important but wouldn't mind (BONUS)

and you get an in-house movement, not to mention a historically significant piece...

Bare in mind however that the original moonwatch that you can still buy today is manual wind and uses a hesalite (not sapphire) crystal... there is a version that is auto and with sapphire  icon_rolleyes.gif
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got so many speedmasters already pening tongue.gif
got manual wind with sapphire also.
got auto with hesalite also.

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Quick question. Cheapest place to get a NATO/ZULU strap? Saw a superb seller online but was wondering maybe I can get it outside at a cheaper price with installation included. Thanks!
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post Sep 14 2012, 06:09 PM

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QUOTE(yonggoh @ Sep 14 2012, 11:36 AM)
Get the Speedy Pro Moonwatch and consider yourself baptized...
rclxms.gif
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


-Budget ~RM12-13k (or SGD 5k) (CHECK)
-Metal Bracelet (CHECK)
-New (CHECK)
-42mm or less (CHECK)
-Mechanical (Original moon watch is manual wind but you can have it in auto as well)
-Black Dial (CHECK)
-Chronograph not important but wouldn't mind (BONUS)

and you get an in-house movement, not to mention a historically significant piece...

Bare in mind however that the original moonwatch that you can still buy today is manual wind and uses a hesalite (not sapphire) crystal... there is a version that is auto and with sapphire  icon_rolleyes.gif
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The moonwatch is based on a Lemania movement, not quite in-house hehe.
And the auto Speedy is noticeable more expensive than the moonwatch IIRC.
Still a very understated watch IMO. You rarely ever see it popping up on Omega ads. I guess not many people are willing to pay RM10k+ for a manual winding watch with a display that will get scratched (harrr pay so much but not sapphire crystal ahh???)

This post has been edited by Chinoz: Sep 14 2012, 06:10 PM
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Anyone into longines 1954 heritage chrono?
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post Sep 14 2012, 10:43 PM

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Thanks for all the replies fellas!


QUOTE(xuzen @ Sep 13 2012, 06:07 PM)
RM 12K -RM 13K is what I would call a yuppie trap. What you get at this range are hyped up ETA movement. Really expensive mass produced factory pieces specifically to trap those yuppies who has lots of free cash to spend. You want something good...

up your ante to RM 20K, now you get into the range of JLC or Maurice Lacroix Masterpiece or Pontos range. This is your entry level to real haute horologie.

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I do see where you are coming from with the above. From my own research, it seems like the budget I have set for myself is a very in between budget, not quite enough to take the next step up. I am considering freeing up some additional cash or I might postpone my purchase a couple of months ) :

QUOTE(yonggoh @ Sep 14 2012, 02:36 PM)

-Budget ~RM12-13k (or SGD 5k) (CHECK)
-Metal Bracelet (CHECK)
-New (CHECK)
-42mm or less (CHECK)
-Mechanical (Original moon watch is manual wind but you can have it in auto as well)
-Black Dial (CHECK)
-Chronograph not important but wouldn't mind (BONUS)

and you get an in-house movement, not to mention a historically significant piece...

Bare in mind however that the original moonwatch that you can still buy today is manual wind and uses a hesalite (not sapphire) crystal... there is a version that is auto and with sapphire  icon_rolleyes.gif
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The Speedy has crossed my mind due to its heritage but I do prefer the Seamaster and PO more if I were to buy an Omega haha. That is just from looking at pictures though and will definitely take a look at the Speedy in real life this weekend.



Anyway, no love for Tudor Black Bay/Pelagos? I know the movement is only ETA but damn they look pretty good (again from pictures) and are very reasonably priced.

And also, from everyone's experiences, where would be the most ideal place to buy a watch, Malaysia, Singapore, or an international Airport? I only list airport as an option because everyone claims everything in the airport is cheaper tongue.gif

Have a nice weekend everyone!
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was expecting a 7k tagheuer but in the end, my father bought me a second hand PAM 90 (first buyer bought on 2010 31st august) L series which cost my father rm17.5k. I'm wondering is that PAM worth for that money? or if you were me, you could have just add on rm1.5k more to get a NEW FRESH PAM 104? thanks!

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QUOTE(closer @ Sep 14 2012, 10:43 PM)
Thanks for all the replies fellas!
I do see where you are coming from with the above. From my own research, it seems like the budget I have set for myself is a very in between budget, not quite enough to take the next step up. I am considering freeing up some additional cash or I might postpone my purchase a couple of months ) :
The Speedy has crossed my mind due to its heritage but I do prefer the Seamaster and PO more if I were to buy an Omega haha. That is just from looking at pictures though and will definitely take a look at the Speedy in real life this weekend.
Anyway, no love for Tudor Black Bay/Pelagos? I know the movement is only ETA but damn they look pretty good (again from pictures) and are very reasonably priced.

And also, from everyone's experiences, where would be the most ideal place to buy a watch, Malaysia, Singapore, or an international Airport? I only list airport as an option because everyone claims everything in the airport is cheaper tongue.gif
Have a nice weekend everyone!
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Always choose Malaysia for its no-tax consideration, but shopping in SG per se has its own charm.

I personally find the models in SG are newer. In Malaysia, you need to wait maybe half a year before seeing the new arrivals here.

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