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post Jul 5 2012, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Jul 5 2012, 03:29 PM)
Mmm... the HD channels overall PQ for me is great and I don't know whether Astro can or cannot improve an already great PQ generally, although not stirling or perfectly excellent.

I do agree that its actually debatable when anyone discusses anything about Picture Quality and this also include Audio Quality too.

I am 100% sure that you already knew that PQ for the HD Channels depends on many factors. One of them is the source materials that are used for broadcast. Example... some old TV show materials (the original "Hawaii 5-0" from 1969) came from SD resolution which have been re-encoded and upscaled to HD resolution so the PQ is not so good and sometimes sucks.

In my opinion... as an example on source materials... I found that FMP HD Ch 433, Discovery HD World Ch 571 most of the time (about 80%) have excellent PQ... AND, in contrast that FX HD Ch 726 and KIX HD Ch 729 about 50% of the time have BAD HD PQ !

Other factors that can also affect the PQ are the TV display settings which require proper calibration, cable type and connection, video decoder quality, etc.

Chrominance and Luminance are different for different TVs so proper display calibration includes (among others) adjustments to... , white balance, black levels, colour tones, brightness, contrast, gamma, etc. Hehe... I adjusted my HD TV settings without professional help (Do-It-Yourself) according to what I perceived as the the best settings to achieve the optimum PQ. Of course, professional display calibrator will do a much better job than me ! I believe a forumer here, anfieldude, is a qualified calibrator.

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Atleast FX retain original ratio screen biggrin.gif , in KIX HD all 4:3 programme are stretched. sweat.gif
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QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Jul 5 2012, 06:22 PM)
blush.gif  Hehehe... simpan duit susu RM 50 per month for future use. Eventhough we are strangers... May both of you, as newlyweds, have a blissful lifetime marriage and continue to have a happy family life.

Mmm... sorry.... for being out-of-topic here.
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No harm james!! ,I will make it link to the topic ! You see guys ,marriage is like fixing astro first time in your house, drool.gif tongue.gif and watching it on your new 60 inches Led/plasma,as the day goes by the fun and excitement brows.gif turns boring yawn.gif ,cos too many repeats!!! Just a joke guys dont be offended! icon_rolleyes.gif
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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Jul 5 2012, 06:51 PM)
Atleast FX retain original ratio screen  biggrin.gif , in KIX HD all 4:3 programme are stretched.  sweat.gif
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smile.gif Yea, I agree that a lot of times the KIX HD programmes PQ sucks due to stretching from 4:3 to 16:9 plus upscaled from SD source too ! doh.gif
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post Jul 5 2012, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(RichieAlex @ Jul 5 2012, 05:10 PM)
Hi guys,
if i wanna connect Astro HD to 2 TV (watching the same channel)
one 2meters away one 30 meters away(another room).

what you guys suggest me doing.
how do i change channel in the other room ?
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Mmm... the answer to your question can be simple and easy or difficult depending on what you actually want for your second TV in another room which is about 30m away.

When you mentioned "Astro HD", you mean that you have the Byond box, already subscribed to HD Service (or Superpack) and already watching HD channels in 1080i HD quality on your 1st HDTV ??

Have you done the "connection" to your second TV in the other room ?

Here is what I understood from your short explanations...

1) First HDTV connected by HDMI directly to your Byond box.
2) Want the 2nd HDTV in another room to be connected to the SAME Byond box.
3) Want to use the Byond Remote to be able to change channels when watching from the 2nd HDTV.

* I believe that you already know, that connecting 2 TVs to the same Byond box will only allow watching the same channel on BOTH TVs.

* For remote control use on other room, an IR (infrared) transmitter and receiver is needed which many chinese people refer to as "Cat's Eyes". The receiver unit is attached to the front of the Byond box and the transmitter unit is located in the other room. The question is how to get the transmitter and receiver connected by cable or other methods.

The question is on the 2nd HDTV connection and what you need and actually want.

Its possible to use a 1-to-2 HDMI splitter on the Byond HDMI output BUT the question is about getting the 30m HDMI cable !! Signal strength will definitely drop a lot for very long HDMI cable of 30m AND more difficult to find such long HDMI lengths to buy. Therefore, using HDMI splitter in such a way is... well... not my recommendation.

So... it will depend on what sort of Picture & Audio quality you want for your 2nd HDTV.

I do know many people will just accept SD quality and poor quality 2 channel audio for the 2nd TV.

Before I continue further, any options I suggest here do include the IR capability for Remote use.

Option 1
For the 2nd HDTV, get the same HD quality as the 1st HDTV (connected by HDMI).

Wow... this is very expensive. A few choices available.

Get a wireless HDMI transmitter and repeater device such as the Sarowin HD10 5G Full HD AV Transmitter device or other brands which are cheaper. "Sarowin" is just a suggestion so you can also use other cheaper ones. Other people here have discussed about this in previous posts here.

Another is to use ethernet cables (same cables used for the modem and PC). The Byond HDMI output is connected to a 1-to-2 HDMI splitter, Output 1 directly to HDTV and Output 2 to a Ethernet Converter Box. This converter box converts the HDMI and IR signal to be carried through the ethernet cable to the 2nd location. At the 2nd location, another Box receives the signal and reconverts back to HDMI signal with HDMI Output to the 2nd HDTV. Preferably, CAT6 ethernet cables is better than CAT5 for very long distance to reduce signal loss.

There are also other methods but the two methods I mentioned should be enough for my explanation.

Option 2
This option means that you will only get low quality SD video and 2 channel audio for your 2nd HDTV !!

The Byond box do NOT have RF Out for connection using "white TV Aerial" cables. The Satellite cables are the same. Previously, other people used this type of connection for the old Astro DMT box because this box have RF Out.

So the only way is to use converters again.

For the 1st HDTV...
No change in connection... Byond HDMI Out directly to HDTV.

For the 2nd HDTV...
Use the Byond RCA (red, white, yellow) Out to connect to the RCA Input of the "RCA to RF" Converter Box. From the Converter Box RF Out, connect ... hehe... the usual "TV Aerial" cable (recommended to use RG6 type for less signal loss). Can also use the "Satellite Cable" which is the same. For your needs, a 30m length cable required. Extend this cable to the 2nd room and connect to the "RF to RCA" Converter Box. This reconverts the signals back to RCA. Use RCA cables to connect from the Box Output to the 2nd HDTV RCA Input. Connections DONE.

For this option, you have to sacrifice the audio quality for your 1st HDTV. Why ? The Byond box "Digital Audio Settings" for Digital Audio Output MUST be changed to "Stereo (Analogue and Digital)". Therefore 1st HDTV will get lower audio quality, no Dolby Digital anymore. This Byond RCA (red, white) will NOT have output for ALL HD Channels when "Dolby Digital 5.1 (Digital Only)" is used.

Your 2nd HDTV will then be able to receive all the SD and HD Channels in SD Resolution video and 2 channel PCM audio only. Well... can you accept the much lower quality for the HD channels for your 2nd HDTV ? Its up to you to decide.

This Option 2 is much much cheaper than Option 1 BUT have to sacrifice PQ/AQ quality, hehehe.

Mmm... where to get the "RF/RCA" Converters ? I believe many of your local TV sellers, installers, etc can help you. Hehe... other people here can also recommend many types available. Hehehe... "Made In China" ?

IMPORTANT ! Such Converters must also have IR capability for Remote use.

Oh, almost forgot... you may need to add a RF Signal Booster in the 2nd room because of signal drop.

There are people who can afford it to pay RM 50 per month for an additional Byond box because they don't want all the hassle on the connection matter and also they want to be able to watch different channels in different rooms. I know of one rich person in my location who got 6 Byond boxes for 6 rooms, LOL !

I hope I did not confuse you and have been clear in my explanations.

EDIT... Found out later... corrected a mistake... changed "did confuse" to "did NOT confuse".

NOTE : IF anyone find any mistakes made here, please correct me. No problem. I also welcome other suggestions which I may have left out here.

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ADDITION : Mmm... "Pargon" asked earlier about the difference between 1080i and 1080p. The often asked "Interlace" and "Progressive Scan" difference, hehehe. Maybe, just maybe, I will try to answer if I have more time, hehe. Not sure if I can explain in non-technical way to make it easier to understand so I may choose not to answer it.

This post has been edited by jamesleetech: Jul 6 2012, 01:07 PM
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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Jul 5 2012, 06:51 PM)
Atleast FX retain original ratio screen  biggrin.gif , in KIX HD all 4:3 programme are stretched.  sweat.gif
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The worst thing is KIX HD don't even bother to crop the letterboxed 16:9 programmes on some programmes, pretty stupid actually...
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QUOTE(azrin_kiko @ Jul 5 2012, 09:47 PM)
The worst thing is KIX HD don't even bother to crop the letterboxed 16:9 programmes on some programmes, pretty stupid actually...
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Fail indeed. doh.gif BTW, was expecting astro tech to come tomorrow. whistling.gif
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post Jul 5 2012, 10:09 PM

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QUOTE(victorwan @ Jul 5 2012, 10:00 PM)
WOW.........Thank you for your long feedback. Will see how to do it when move in later. Thanks.   notworthy.gif  rclxms.gif
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biggrin.gif You are welcome. Glad to help. Hehe... only hope I did not confuse you with my terribly looong feedback. blush.gif

EDIT : I hope you can edit your reply to put the "quotes" in spoilers because of my looong feedback to reduce unnecessary clutter in this thread. Sorry for that and thanks.

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QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Jul 4 2012, 09:41 PM)
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Thank you for the feed back. Can see a lot of effort has been made. thumbup.gif
Yes, i understand your explanation well.
But i have some further question before i decide which format to use. (I hope you don't mind answering my long question, tongue.gif )
1) The source play by Astro mostly use which format?
2) Can i say HD channel mostly 16:9 and 22:10 while SD channel is 4:3?
3) Anyway to check what format the source is while playing the channel?

Thanks in advance.

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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Jul 5 2012, 10:24 PM)
Thank you for the feed back. Can see a lot of effort has been made.  thumbup.gif
Yes, i understand your explanation well.
But i have some further question before i decide which format to use. (I hope you don't mind answering my long question,  tongue.gif )
1) The source play by Astro mostly use which format?
2) Can i say HD channel mostly 16:9 and 22:10 while SD channel is 4:3?
3) Anyway to check what format the source is while playing the channel?

Thanks in advance.
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I appreciate your compliments.

Sorry if I am a bit confused about what you mean by "source play". If you are referring to the "source programmes" used by each different channels, then its difficult for me to answer.

The "source programmes" are those movies, TV shows, TV documentaries, TVB dramas, etc. For example... HBO HD Channel 433 always broadcast in 16:9 format but can choose to broadcast the movie "Transformers: Dark Side Of The Moon" in actual 22:10 cinema ratio which will show as letterbox with some black bars on top/bottom... However, HBO HD have chosen to reformat that movie into 16:9 by cutting off a liitle bit of the left and right side of the movie so the movie is shown as full 16:9 without letterbox.

Sometimes letterbox cannot be avoided depending on what source each channel operator have chosen to broadcast. If the channel operator chose to "cut-off" left and right parts of a 22:10 movie, then will get full 16:9. Some channels... example... KIX HD chose to use original source programs in 4:3, reconvert it by expanding left and right to fit 16:9 so everything in the screen will appear fatter and will be slightly more blur picture so it sucks.

It does NOT matter what "source materials" each channel chose to broadcast. You will not be able to avoid poor PQ due to upscaling from SD source, letterbox, screen image appearing "fatter", etc. This happens for ALL satellite broadcasters, not only for Astro.

Ok, to make it simpler, I think this is what you want to know ...

The actual ratio used by Astro for broadcast
1) For all SD channels... in 4:3 format.
2) For all HD channels... in 16:9 format which is the standard adopted by all High Definition TV broadcasters.


You cannot have the best of everything when you choose which Byond setting to use.

Since all the HD channels are broadcast in 16:9, people with Widescreen HDTV will have NO problems viewing HD channels when the source movie/TV show is originally in 16:9... so setting to "Pillar Box" or "Fit to screen" makes NO difference. Aah... there will be letterbox when the source movie is in 22:1 Cinema format.

BUT since all the SD channels are broadcast in 4:3, setting to "Pillar Box" or "Fit to screen" will definitely have difference.

Ask yourself these questions...

a) Do you want to watch all the SD and HD channels in the correct ratio (no fat image) and can accept letterbox with black bars ?
b) Do you hate to see the letterboxed black bars and don't like a smaller picture screen due to black bars and wants the entire TV screen area to be used ?

If you have a Widescreen 16:9 HDTV
Answer to (a)... "Pillar Box" is the suitable choice. This will cause ALL SD channels (4:3) to be shown with letterbox, left and right black bars.

Answer to (b)... "Fit to screen" is the suitable choice. This will cause ALL SD channels (4:3) to be shown "fatter".

If you have an old CRT TV (SD screen 4:3)
Answer to (a)... "Pillar Box" is the suitable choice. This will cause ALL HD channels (16:9) to be shown with letterbox, top and bottom black bars.

Answer to (b)... "Fit to screen" is the suitable choice. This will cause ALL HD channels (16:9) to be shown "thinner". Hehe... not sure about this as I have not tested it on an old CRT TV.


In my opinion, I don't recommend "LB Expand" for Widescreen HDTV because too much area is cut-off from the top and bottom for ALL SD channels. Even the channel logo at the top may go missing ! Well... some people may disagree with me on this and love "LB Expand"... so everyone have the right to choose whatever one feels and believe is the best. After all, its each person's viewing experience that is important, my opinion is not necessarily right for everyone.

Oh... I really don't know how to answer you on how to check the ratio format for any "programme source" when it is playing in any channel. I think you will "sense" that something is wrong, for example... when you see people's face appearing fatter BUT its not accurate because you will get used to it after watching for a long time.

Many people got used to watching SD 4:3 channels when "Fit to screen" is used for Widescreen HDTVs and did NOT notice that everything in the programme appear fatter and happily watch people with fat faces without any complaints. But when changed to "Pillar Box", THEN they complained about the smaller screen area with BIG black side bars on their Widescreen HDTVs !!! LOL !!! rclxub.gif

Speaking for myself only, I prefer "Pillar Box" for my Widescreen 16:9 HDTV because I like the original shape and don't mind the smaller screen area for the SD channels. cool2.gif

Kakakaka...hehehehehe... the Screen Ratio Choice ! Nobody wins and nobody is right. shocking.gif shocking.gif

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Jul 5 2012, 01:38 PM)
@jamesleetech: I just got my Astro Beyond just now. I saw a digital audio port. I can get a Co-Axial-To-Optical Converter (like you mentioned) to connect to my BD player to play full 5.1 surround sound?
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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Jul 5 2012, 01:41 PM)
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Thanks. So all I need is this?

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Then what is this?

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QUOTE(-kytz- @ Jul 6 2012, 02:36 AM)
Thanks. So all I need is this?
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Then what is this?

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The picture with the Gefen logo is the converter which you need to make the connection from Byond coaxial output to your HTIB optical input.
Of course, you can select other brand of it and also get the coaxial and optical cables too.
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QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Jul 6 2012, 12:10 AM)
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Yes, you interpret it correctly. it shall be 'source programmes'
Nice and clear explanation you have. rclxms.gif
I think i will opt for "Pillar box" for my wide screen TV. (Same as you)
These are the result i will get, (correct me if i am wrong)
1) When watch SD channel in 4:3 format. I will get black bar left and right.
2) When i watch HD channel with 16:9. I will get a nice full screen.
3) When i watch HD channel with 22:10. I will get a little top and bottom black bar.

All the above i will get the original shape of human face, no fatter face.
Correct?
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hey guys, not sure this been asked before, I've managed to split Astro Beyond into 2 TVs, however, I've just changed to Beyond PVR. Can this Beyond PVR decoder be split into TVs as the normal Beyond?

Thanks!

p/s I've yet to go back and see the PVR decoder
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QUOTE(zepple @ Jul 6 2012, 10:43 AM)
hey guys, not sure this been asked before, I've managed to split Astro Beyond into 2 TVs, however, I've just changed to Beyond PVR. Can this Beyond PVR decoder be split into TVs as the normal Beyond?

Thanks!

p/s I've yet to go back and see the PVR decoder
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Same concept, same method. See post #2164 by jamesleetech at above.

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Same concept, same method. See post #2164 by jamesleetech at above.
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Aha, if same concept should be no problem then. I'll try it when I get back. Thanks man!
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QUOTE(Qash-M @ Jul 5 2012, 01:40 AM)
Is it just me, or overall PQ on HD channels needs to be improved b4 SD one? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(enriquelee @ Jul 6 2012, 09:22 AM)
Yes, you interpret it correctly. it shall be 'source programmes'
Nice and clear explanation you have.  rclxms.gif
I think i will opt for "Pillar box" for my wide screen TV. (Same as you)
These are the result i will get, (correct me if i am wrong)
1) When watch SD channel in 4:3 format. I will get black bar left and right.
2) When i watch HD channel with 16:9. I will get a nice full screen.
3) When i watch HD channel with 22:10. I will get a little top and bottom black bar.

All the above i will get the original shape of human face, no fatter face.
Correct?
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Bingo ! All yes.

The only change is when any channel operator reconvert any source programmes original screen ratio into a different one. For example ... KIX HD sometimes reconvert some programmes from the original 4:3 by expanding the black side bars to become 16:9... eventhough you set to "Pillar Box" for your HDTV, you will still get "fat faces".

That means if the channel operator did not reconvert or meddle with the original source program ratio, then you will get exactly the same result as you mentioned above.

It is the same situation for the Byond subtitle settings. Eventhough I set the Byond subtitle setting to "Disable" which shut off all subtitles, the Bahasa or English or Chinese or whatever subtitle will still appear for some programmes. Many times the channel operator can "hard-code" the subtitle into a programme. Whatever I do to the Byond subtitle setting... if they "hard-coded" Bahasa Malaysia subtitle, then I will ALWAYS see the Bahasa Malaysia subtitle.

Subtitles that can be changed or follow according to the Byond settings are called "Soft-coded" subtitles. Of course there will be no subtitle when the programme did not come with any, hehe.

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By the way, I think most people chose to use "Fit to screen" and don't care about watching "fat people, fat everything" for SD channels. Just go to any open air kedai kopi, mamak shops, food courts, etc... which shows Astro channels... most will never subscribe to HD service... you will see the SD channels shown as "fat" 16:9. I may be wrong ...mmm... I believe almost everyone already got used to "fat" 16:9 !!! You and I are among the only few people left in Malaysia who don't like to see beautiful slim sexy girls changing into fat ones in SD channels !

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QUOTE(jamesleetech @ Jul 6 2012, 12:19 PM)
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By the way, I think most people chose to use "Fit to screen" and don't care about watching "fat people, fat everything" for SD channels. Just go to any open air kedai kopi, mamak shops, food courts, etc... which shows Astro channels... most will never subscribe to HD service... you will see the SD channels shown as "fat" 16:9. I may be wrong ...mmm... I believe almost everyone already got used to "fat" 16:9 !!! You and I are among the only few people left in Malaysia who don't like to see beautiful slim sexy girls changing into fat ones in SD channels !
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Malaysia got a lot of overweight people. Normal already. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Jul 6 2012, 12:39 PM)
Malaysia got a lot of overweight people. Normal already.  laugh.gif
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Hehehehe... oh please icon_question.gif me... I am so thin and want to become overweight like everyone else. Mmm... eating a lot will not icon_question.gif me so I must change to "Fit to screen".

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